Ministry "With Sympathy" C/D

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And you know if this was released on Vice or Saddle Creek today that it would be a smash hit...the affected yet earnest British accent, the tunes that sound like '80s presets bundled with the newest keyboards, and one of the best Ministry tunes ever ("Revenge") paired with a New Romantic time capsule track ("Say You're Sorry") add up to genius. The pretty flower on the cover seals the deal. Why doesn't Ryko re-release this along with the new Ministry comps? Certainly Filth Pig is a bigger stain on the Ministry catalog than With Sympathy...

Erick H (Erick H), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

With Sympathy....as cheesy as it very well may be....is still a goddamn classic as far as I'm concerned. There's no arguing with "Revenge", "I Wanted to Tell Her" and "Work for Love". And yes....WAY better than Filth Pig (and pretty much everything that came after Filth Pig as well).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link

unless you refer to the uk 'work for love' version that called 'what he say' something ridiculous like 'do the etawa'. neil tennant reviewed it in smash hits. a rave review too.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Anything is better than Filth Pig, but the new one is not bad.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

God I hadn't thought about this in years.

What I want is a copy of "every day is halloween". Lost mine ages ago.

hector (hector), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

"Revenge" is one of the most inexplicable and astounding songs in recording history. If there was an OMGWTFLOL(ROFFLE) songs of the 80s I would demand it make the top ten.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

The idea of any human being stepping up to microphone and yelling "the CORRIDOR! Yes, the CORRIDOR!" Then deciding whether that was the take...I love life.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

'Work For Love' is awesome, what else is similar by these guys?

Affectian (Affectian), Thursday, 14 October 2004 12:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Nothing. That's the sad thing.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 12:08 (fourteen years ago) link

'Work For Love' is awesome, what else is similar by these guys?

Well, that's not entirely true. There's an early singles compilation (featuring similar fare as "Everyday is Halloween", "Cold Life" and "All Day" etc.) and Twitch (which was sort've the middle point between their dance-pop stuff and their aggro-industrial stuff).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 12:41 (fourteen years ago) link

_Twitch_ and _12-Inch Singles_ don't sound anything like _With Sympathy_, though!

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 13:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Not as glossy or cheesy, but still somewhat poppy and accessible (compared to later work).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"Where Are You Now?"/"Crash And Burn"/"Twitch"?
"My Possession"?
"We Believe"?
"The Nature Of Love"?
"Cold Life"?

Where would those fit in on _With Sympathy_? None of them fit the mid-80s synthpop paradigm that album operates under (much like all of the other songs on those two releases).

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link

The point, DAN, is that they are closer to With Sympathy than they are to, say, Psalm 69 and/or Filth Pig.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link

So is the entire recorded output of Severed Heads; this doesn't mean I'm going to recommend _Blubberknife_ to someone looking for something _With Sympathy_-ish.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh fuckin' yawn, you're such a pedant, Dan. MY POINT is that that THERE WAS INDEED STYLISTIC MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN EARLY, POPPY MINISTRY AND LATER, AGGRO FAUX-METAL MINISTRY.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i.e. they didn't turn into a mechanized killing machine overnight. There were moments in between that harkined to their earlier incarnation.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Irony abounds here.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Irony abounds here.

Surely you mean Idiocy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Dude, stop beating yourself up.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link

can't wait to go see Ministry this weekend. Dan, you going?

kephm (kephm), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Nah, I'm doing an opera this weekend and am trying to stay in and not overextend. (Also I'm woefully out of touch with touring schedules.)

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Dude, don't call me "dude".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Okay. *shrug*

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link

for shame, your beloved MLWTTKK opening

kephm (kephm), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link

ARGH

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link

The TKK opening for Ministry?? *heads explode, etc.*

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link

The TKK opening for Ministry?? *heads explode, etc.*

Why is this surprising to you?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link

It's not surprising, it's COMPLETELY AWESOME IN A MAKE-YOUR-HEAD-POP-WITH-GOODNESS WAY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH I HATE OPERA

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link

OTM, sir

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh okay, good.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link

WITH SYMPATHY RULES.


RULES!

DEEBZ (ddb), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

OH AND MLWTTKK SUX.

WTF

DEEBZ (ddb), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link

CHRISTIAN ZOMBIE VAMPYERZ WILL CRUSH U!!!!
K?
THX BYE

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
i really wish with sympathy was recorded by a band that did not disown the brilliance of their own album for seemingly testosterone/opportunistic reasons...

"she's got a cause"!!!

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 29 May 2005 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...
"what he say" is so ridiculous and such an obvious throwaway, that's it's brilliant. it (and other with sympathy songs) are VERY electro/hiphop influenced. it's also a zillion miles away from stuff like "just one fix" and "land of rape and honey."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link

6. What He Say

i've seen many countries
argue about human lives
but one thing that stays the same is
the clubs are always full at night

pick out any far-out place
like kenya or swaziland
doesn't matter what the place
they'll still be dancing to the band

(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble) let's dance!

say you've found a homeland? (move to it, move to it)
say you've found a clubland? (get to it, get to it)
now you've got a song? (groove to it, groove to it)
got to find a partner (just get to it, get to it)

(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble) let's dance!

let's dance!

i've seen many a race of people
argue many things before
but there is one language that
gets you understood for sure

not a language of the mouth
it's only for the feet
grab a russian by the hands
and he will feel the need
that's right!

(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble) let's dance!

let's dance!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link

the video for "revenge" is hilarious!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

http://members.aol.com/NaylzIX/alain-3a.gif

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link

My affection for "Revenge" knows no boundaries.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link

My affection for "Revenge" knows no boundaries.

this redeems yer many stylistic transgressions, mr. miccio! :-)

several other thoughts: (a) amg's entry -- saying that this CD would surely be one of the favorites of ally sheedy in the breakfast club is 100 OTM%; (b) "cocaine [or is it heroin?] is one helluva drug;" (c) there are some rather interesting parallels b/w the ministry and depeche mode (both start out making lightweight yet likeable synth-pop, and get MUCH darker and nastier as they go on ["heroin is one helluva drug"]; (d) with sympathy is pretty similar to the tom tom club!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Come come now, Filth Pig had the awesome, one–eyed ’Lava’ on it.

Kodanshi, Monday, 24 October 2005 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link

ha, these guys played my high schoolK the year after this came out. mind boggling that al jourgensen graced the same stage as that my friends' bands trod.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link

re that high school show:

An audio recording of this show exists.

!!!!!!!!

and it looks like they did a fad gadget cover ("ricky's hand")!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link

the alex in nyc/dan interchange upthread is awesome!

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

My father used to own the 12" for Cold Life, but now can't find it. I grew up listening to it, and now find it absolutely hilarious. "Cohld.. Loif..." Give it up, Al.
I kinda wish I could find it on a random fileshare (no slsk on my old-ass compu-tron), but no one who considers themselves a Ministry fan seems to be willing to own up to it (at least, a Ministry fan of my generation...)

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link

My father used to own the 12" for Cold Life, but now can't find it. I grew up listening to it

Words cannot express how much this statement creeps me the fuck out. How young are you?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link

who looks gayer?

this?

http://members.aol.com/NaylzIX/alain-3a.gif

or this?

http://koti.mbnet.fi/mode2001/on%20the%20shower.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm not an F-A-G

never occurred to me that it could be heard that way but you are right

akm, Sunday, 27 April 2008 14:50 (eleven years ago) link

A cougar is more like a kitten than it is like a velociraptor but that doesn't mean it would make an appropriate pet for a four-year-old.

-- The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:42 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

heh

latebloomer, Sunday, 27 April 2008 15:17 (eleven years ago) link

the corridor, yes the corridor

latebloomer, Sunday, 27 April 2008 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

nine months pass...

Ein kluges Äpfelchen (Eisbaer), Thursday, 29 January 2009 23:20 (ten years ago) link

YES THE CORRIDOR

cutty, Thursday, 29 January 2009 23:53 (ten years ago) link

FAR BELOW, FAR BELOW, FAR BELOW IS THE PLACE YOU'LL GO, HO!

Alex in NYC, Friday, 30 January 2009 01:53 (ten years ago) link

i'm loving al jourgeson's adam ant haircut/earring.

Ein kluges Äpfelchen (Eisbaer), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:23 (ten years ago) link

Whatever happened to the Other Guy in Ministry circa With Sympathy?

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:33 (ten years ago) link

Al was on a VH1 Classic show ("Hangin' With", I think) where he was playing videos by his band and bands that he liked, and he actually played the above video, so I guess he's at peace with his hilarious past.

Vulgar Display of Flowers (J3ff T.), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:49 (ten years ago) link

You're assuming that he wasn't hilarious after that.

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:55 (ten years ago) link

Yes, but he was hilarious in a different way.

Vulgar Display of Flowers (J3ff T.), Friday, 30 January 2009 23:10 (ten years ago) link

[cue Butthead's impression from the "NWO" video]

Vulgar Display of Flowers (J3ff T.), Friday, 30 January 2009 23:11 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

this fuckin record

pretzel walrus, Friday, 31 July 2009 06:45 (nine years ago) link

so great

pretzel walrus, Friday, 31 July 2009 06:45 (nine years ago) link

really?! must investigate.

daria, actually (daria-g), Friday, 31 July 2009 07:00 (nine years ago) link

four years pass...
two years pass...

CLASSIC!

Turrican, Monday, 26 October 2015 15:32 (three years ago) link

Is it wrong that I actually prefer this album to everything that Jourgensen did afterwards? Taken on its own terms, I think this is a wonderful record. Not only does it slot in nicely with early '80s UK synthpop, it actually manages to hold its own in comparison to the best of the stuff that was happening in the genre at that time. Wonderful stuff.

Turrican, Monday, 26 October 2015 18:40 (three years ago) link

I don't think it's a particularly surprising opinion to have; the collection of songs he put together on that package exist in a universe almost directly orthogonal to every other release he put out

(that said, #TeamTwitch all day every day; IMO that is a superlative album)

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2015 20:31 (three years ago) link

Falls after the first half

brimstead, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:48 (three years ago) link

xpost:

Yeah, I like Twitch too, but With Sympathy is one of those records I always find myself returning to!

Turrican, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:49 (three years ago) link

WHAT HE SAY!?

LET'S DANCE!

*totally fucking absurd synth-trumpet breakdown section*

Turrican, Saturday, 31 October 2015 00:57 (three years ago) link

it's alright, but I can't get with anyone hwo thinks it's superior to either twitch or A Mind... both of which seem more groundbreaking and involving.

akm, Saturday, 31 October 2015 21:40 (three years ago) link

Falls after the first half

― brimstead, Monday, October 26, 2015 8:48 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, the first half of the album is wonderful, but I love 'Here We Go', 'Say You're Sorry' and particularly 'She's Got a Cause'

Turrican, Sunday, 1 November 2015 01:16 (three years ago) link

it's not groundbreaking but the songs (mostly) are just so great. twitch will always be my ultimate ministry album but "work for love" (as it will always be known to me and most euro-ministry fans) is pretty much my definition of perfect pop.

stirmonster, Sunday, 1 November 2015 07:22 (three years ago) link

Great surprise to see Yvonne Gage in Shay Jones' role, three years after she made "Garden of Eve," one of the best boogie records.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOD5pxdZiyo

Andy K, Sunday, 1 November 2015 14:23 (three years ago) link

The thing about Twitch is that I can still detect some UK electro influence in it, particularly Fad Gadget.

Turrican, Sunday, 1 November 2015 21:16 (three years ago) link

I was surprised to learn that Flood worked on With Sympathy, actually... this surely must have been one of the earliest album he worked on, although not as a producer?

Turrican, Sunday, 1 November 2015 21:19 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

hoo boy, classic

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 26 April 2019 02:04 (two months ago) link

can't tell you how unsurprised i am to see djp in this thread

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 26 April 2019 02:09 (two months ago) link

Doesn't Flood have a credit on the first New Order record?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 April 2019 02:32 (two months ago) link

Certainly Filth Pig is a bigger stain on the Ministry catalog than With Sympathy...

otm

john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Friday, 26 April 2019 02:36 (two months ago) link

Flood worked on a load of things before this. And yes, he did engineering on 'Movement'.

I saw Ministry in Toronto last week (first time since 1991). It was great fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYfH_vSGO1M

stirmonster, Friday, 26 April 2019 02:53 (two months ago) link

You did it again
You did it again
You did it again and again and again
Ho ho!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 26 April 2019 08:05 (two months ago) link

Certainly Filth Pig is a bigger stain on the Ministry catalog than With Sympathy...

I've never listened to With Sympathy, but I listened to Filth Pig (and Dark Side of the Spoon) for the first time yesterday, and FP is...kind of good. It's not an "industrial" or "industrial metal" album; it's more like a noise-rock album. The way the guitars and drums are mixed, it's closer to Unsane or a band on Amphetamine Reptile than anything else Al's ever done. I can understand why people don't like it - it's really ugly sounding and kind of monochromatic compared with their previous albums, and the songs are often longer than they need to be (six minutes when they should have been four), but more of it works, on its own terms, than I expected.

Spoon is ugly, too; it sounds like it was recorded through a boombox's condenser mic. But there are some weird and compelling tracks on it - the closing piece, "10/10," features an extended Charles Mingus sample that I didn't see coming.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:19 (two months ago) link

I listen to Mind all the time.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 April 2019 15:42 (two months ago) link

"six minutes when they should have been four" describes almost every Ministry song recorded since A Mind...

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:43 (two months ago) link

xxp I also listened to Filth Pig for the first time quite recently (after avoiding it for years because everyone says it's shit) and I completely agree with you - do I like it as much as their 80s stuff, no, but it's really not bad at all, and your AmRep comparison makes sense. but I also agree about the songs being a bit long.

that said I also like With Sympathy! and I don't hate what I've listened to of post Filth Pig. I guess there isn't much Ministry I don't like... not that I've heard anything released after 2004

Colonel Poo, Friday, 26 April 2019 16:16 (two months ago) link

https://sonicmoremusic.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/ministry-1983.jpg

Always loved this press photo circa the With Sympathy era.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:23 (two months ago) link

Yeah, surprised anyone would still trot out Filth Pig as a low point. Maybe ahead of their fan base with that one. Sludge/noise rock turn and they did it pretty well imo.

circa1916, Saturday, 27 April 2019 05:31 (two months ago) link

In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up is still the prime Ministry record for me

circa1916, Saturday, 27 April 2019 05:35 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Al seems to have made his peace with it, or really needs the $s?

https://ministryband.bandcamp.com/album/chicago-1982

stirmonster, Monday, 13 May 2019 18:23 (two months ago) link

There's been the odd thing here and there that would suggest that Al sees the album in a more positive light these days, but I don't think he's ever come out and said it.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 13 May 2019 20:26 (two months ago) link

they played some of this stuff at their recent live show in conjunction with the documentary premiere, but people I talked to who went said they didn't seem happy to be playing it?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 13 May 2019 20:45 (two months ago) link

They didn't play anything off this, or even off "Twitch". The nearest they got was an acoustic "Everyday is Halloween". Also, at least at the show i was at, Al seemed to be having the time of his life to the point that I can imagine him revisting even earlier stuff.

stirmonster, Monday, 13 May 2019 22:16 (two months ago) link

Yeah, the recent Wax Trax documentary-pegged shows were all Land of Rape and Honey/The Mind.../Psalm 69 material (none of which was on Wax Trax). Plus "covers" of Revolting Cocks' "No Devotion" and 1000 Homo DJs' "Supernaut" (which Ministry was playing live when I saw them in 2005 or so).

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 13 May 2019 23:28 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

LET'S DANCE!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:31 (one month ago) link

Make MINISTRY synthpop again. pic.twitter.com/pgLkORluKu

— Juan David (@jdmartinezq) July 17, 2016

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Thursday, 6 June 2019 20:38 (one month ago) link


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