POX: Lee Scratch Perry

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albums, k? thnx, bye.

frankE (frankE), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link

His albums or his productions?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Fairly recent "Cutting Razor" collection of LSP produced stuff.

Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link

er. thanks for pointing that out. BOTH.

frankE (frankE), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link

His productions:

1. Congos Heart of the Congos
2. Heptones Party Time
3. Upsetters Super Ape
4. The Wailers African Herbsman
5. Max Romeo War In a Babylon
6. Upsetters Blackboard Jungle Dub
7. Junior Murvin Police and Thieves
8. Lee "Scratch" Perry Roast Fish, Collie Weed & Corn Bread
9. Susan Cadogan Hurts So Good
10. So many good ones left. . . Dave Barker, the Silvertones, did Junior Byles release an actual album?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Perry LP/Collections:
Return of the Super Ape
Roast Fish, Collie Weed Cornbread
Divine Madness, Definitely
On the Wire
Trojan Upsetter Box
Arkology
Experryments in the Grass Roots of Dub
Open the Gate
14 Blackboad Jungle Dub

for some reason I want to add "Techno Party" but mostly for the track "No Dreads"
Revolution Dub


Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link

You could probably make a POX of his compilations too, but I'll just do a POV:

1. Arkology
2. Open the Gate
3. Build the Ark
4. Produced and Directed by the Upsetter
5. Born in the Sky

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link

You can get Cloak & Dagger, Blackboard Jungle Dub, Revolution Dub all on this excellent 2CD comp.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:08 (sixteen years ago) link

How does that CD actually sound though? Previous versions of Blackboard Jungle Dub and Revolution Dub were um somewhat weak sounding (esp. compared to the recent reissue of the former.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link

sounds the same as the recent reissue

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Please listen to Lee "Scratch" Perry Roast Fish, Collie Weed & Corn Bread. It rules.

mcd (mcd), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link

1. Upsetters - Super Ape
2. Congos - Heart of the Congos
3. Junior Byles - Curly Locks: Best of (Heartbeat)...not sure if all tracks were produced by Perry
4. Black Ark in Dub
5. Arkology
6. Open the Gate
7. Build the Ark
8. Produced and Directed by the Upsetter
9. Upsetters - Blackboard Jungle Dub
10. The Upsetter Collection

oops (Oops), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link

"You can get Cloak & Dagger, Blackboard Jungle Dub, Revolution Dub all on this excellent 2CD comp"

which you can get for £4.99 at HMV sale, which i just did.

sphere, Monday, 4 October 2004 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd recommend Black Ark in Dub, Revolution Dub and Super Ape. I feel lucky to have seen him live a few years back w/ Mad Professor and band. nobody can touch him.

has anyone ever heard this one? never been able to find it myself.
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For a brief period, Scratch changed his name to Pipecock Jackxon, and with some help from a Dutch record label attempted to resurrect the Black Ark with bizarre results (including a pond in the drum booth). One of the definite results was The Return Of Pipecock Jackxon, a weird but neat album recorded both at the Black Ark and in Holland. Killers include an 11 minute version of the X rated "Bed Jammin'", the nutty "Who Killed The Chicken", and "Babylon Cookie Jar A Crumble".

joseph pot (STINKOR™), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 00:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Arkology is a great compilation and it's not too pricey for what ye get

mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 02:53 (sixteen years ago) link

i'll second the arkology recommendation.

also, can anyone confirm that his new-ish stuff sucks? i picked up an album of his with a late 90's copyright used and it didn't really grab me, but maybe i didn't give it a chance.

arjun (arjun), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 03:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I kinda dug 'Techno Party,' especially "Daddy Puff." It's not 'Super Ape,' but it's OK.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 04:52 (sixteen years ago) link

these would be mine-

The Congos - Heart of the Congos
Junior Byles - Beat Down Babylon (Trojan CD comp)
Kung-Fu Meets the Dragon
Build the Ark
Open the Gate
Junior Murvin - Police and Thieves
Megaton Dub
Super Ape
Some of the Best
Max Romeo - War ina Babylon


I have a couple 90s era records but barely remember a thing about them. I do seem to recall enjoying Time Boom 'X' De Devil Dead or whatever it's called.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 05:29 (sixteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

Just been getting into a Lee Perry phase, been semi familiar with him for years but not known him with great depth so wondering what is essential.
Recently got Disco Devil which may have got me mopre into listening him though I've got bits of Arkology and Wonderman years turning up on my walkman pretty regularly.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 18:28 (eight years ago) link

I concur with Alex in SF's POX above, for the most part

this was my intro and it is amazing

one year passes...

what was Scratch's beef with dreadlocks all about, anyway

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:25 (six years ago) link

hmm feel like i read in people funny boy that at one brief point scratch was starting to dread his hair

marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:26 (six years ago) link

I was thumbing through that last night - specifically the parts about the last days of the Ark - and there were all these references to him having problems with dreadlocks, or being given shit by the nyabinghi/boboashanti for not being a dread, being angry about his wife running off with a dread etc. And p much every photo of him shows him w short hair

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:37 (six years ago) link

i'll have to pick up the book again, i never did read it straight through, just parts here and there. i am wondering if scratch was just fed up with the bullshit, "dreadlocks in moonlight / baldhead at sunrise" hypocrisy and didn't feel the need to grow them. i just pulled that out of my ass though

marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:00 (six years ago) link

btw "dreadlocks in moonlight" is one of my favorite things scratch has done, specifically the "big neck police" version on roast fish collie weed and cornbread.

marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:01 (six years ago) link

that book is really kind of terribly written - its exhaustive in its detail but as a narrative it's just a mess

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:26 (six years ago) link

oh yea all the side tracks and tangents about various musicians. it'll break the narrative to tell 3 paragraphs about some dude that sat in on a session

marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:29 (six years ago) link

the author does dj nights though and i bet he plays some great records

marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:29 (six years ago) link

I haven't read PFB, but I did like "Solid Foundation" his oral history of reggae that, iirc, reads like a few hundred pages of good liner notes. It being an oral history, those tangents and side tracks don't feel distracting

rob, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:35 (six years ago) link

oh yea they totally work in solid foundation

marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:36 (six years ago) link

I just read about this actually. Wish I remembered where. I think it was about the Congos. The two main Congos guys started recording with Scratch, influenced him to start to dread his own hair, then during the course of their collaborations, more dreads started showing up and one may have had an affair with Scratch's wife? There was definitely an arc of 'this is great, I agree with this' to 'these guys are scumbags and I want them out', and I think it centered around the Congos relationship.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:41 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

that website (^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^) is great.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 03:16 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

I'm listening to Battle for Armagideon (1986) for the first time and... this seems like the beginning of the end in terms of his quality output, no? It's just so sloppy and half-assed. I recall hearing some of his 90s stuff incl something w Mad Professor back when his initial revival was going on and that stuff wasn't v encouraging either. Sad, it does seem like he had some kind of genuine psychotic break and this is just how he is now.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 July 2015 18:03 (six years ago) link

yea the psychotic break does seem like a real thing that happened. i haven't heard "battle" before but i'm listening now, i really dug the opener! but now i am a few tracks in and yea the quality does seem pretty low.

how the preceding albums?

marcos, Thursday, 30 July 2015 18:19 (six years ago) link

dunno, the main one I'm interested in is the Return of Pipecock Jacxon, which I recall being fairly highly praised in People Funny Boy

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 July 2015 18:30 (six years ago) link

ok i made it through all of "battle" nothing really that good except for "introducing myself"

marcos, Thursday, 30 July 2015 18:30 (six years ago) link

the main one I'm interested in is the Return of Pipecock Jacxon

found it on youtube fwiw

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi5vYbQY_CI

marcos, Thursday, 30 July 2015 18:33 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

Ah man, he lost his Switzerland studio and archive last night.

http://www.okayplayer.com/news/lee-scratch-perry-studio-burned-down.html

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 December 2015 00:19 (five years ago) link

I noticed that the Trojan 2cds that I thought had been deleted were back in HMV. Amazon has a 2015 release date for them.
Dub Triptych is talked about upthread. Though I think by content with a link instead of a name. It's Cloak&Dagger, Blackboard and Revolution dub and pretty great.
Ape-ology has the Jamaican versions of the 2 Super Ape lps alongside Roast Fish, Collie Weed and a few stray singles and session tracks.
Dubstrumentals has Kung Fu meets The Dragon and 2 other 70s lps.
Babylon A Fall is also a 2cd compi but I don't think it's lp related.

Somewhere I have a copy of Grand Royal with a buying guide for him.

Stevolende, Saturday, 5 December 2015 08:26 (five years ago) link

interview with Lee and his wife about it here. I didn't realise that dude lives twenty minutes from where I work!

Siegbran, Saturday, 5 December 2015 09:21 (five years ago) link

His positivity in the face of this loss (on his FB) is incredible.

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 5 December 2015 14:33 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

I almost always prefer the originals to the dubs of Perry's productions. Are there any instances where someone else created dubs of his tracks? Am I forgetting an obvious collab?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 27 October 2017 22:22 (three years ago) link

I can't think of any off the top of my head. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would just pass Upsetters tracks out to other producers.

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 October 2017 22:34 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

Only Jamaican-sourced reporting at present, but it appears he died this morning.

https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/Lee_Scratch_Perry_is_dead

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 29 August 2021 14:54 (two weeks ago) link

Wow if true, though of course that guy lived a life.

I thought he still resided in Switzerland?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 August 2021 15:03 (two weeks ago) link

Youth has posted about it - he heard via friend who lives in Jamacia.

mark e, Sunday, 29 August 2021 15:23 (two weeks ago) link

Ah fuck. :(

RIP

pomenitul, Sunday, 29 August 2021 16:41 (two weeks ago) link

extremely otm imo

sleeve, Monday, 30 August 2021 01:44 (two weeks ago) link

extremely otm imo

sleeve, Monday, 30 August 2021 01:44 (two weeks ago) link

oops sorry

sleeve, Monday, 30 August 2021 01:44 (two weeks ago) link

Lee Perry gave the impression of burning very hot for a very long time. Not sure how he managed it. RIP.

lukas, Monday, 30 August 2021 02:08 (two weeks ago) link

I get the sense he could keep the ( literal ) demons at bay by always pushing forward.

Citole Country (bendy), Monday, 30 August 2021 10:16 (two weeks ago) link

My favourite late-era Perry is this one, which on paper should be terrible (dubstep wobbles! Jean-Michel Jarre cover!) but it's totally enjoyable for two hours straight.

Siegbran, Monday, 30 August 2021 10:26 (two weeks ago) link

Anyone like the 1986 album Battle of Armagideon? Turns out a mate of mine's uncle was a producer on it...I haven't heard it yet, going to make that right today.

glumdalclitch, Monday, 30 August 2021 10:54 (two weeks ago) link

Right missed him playing here several times over the last few years. Really should have got it together. Should know it was a possibility that it would be last chance.

― Stevolende, Monday, August 30, 2021 1:18 AM (eleven hours ago)


Glad to have seen him once, about 8 years ago. Unsurprisingly, Lee was totally idiosyncratic, absent minded most of the time with the occasional in the moment presence that lit the gig up. His backing band was amazing.

willem, Monday, 30 August 2021 11:10 (two weeks ago) link

Curious to hear the stuff he did with Robert Palmer after reading this.

robert palmer, lee perry and a cream cracker pic.twitter.com/7vrbnMoMGA

— cowsarejustfood (@cowsarejustfood) August 29, 2021

Dan Worsley, Monday, 30 August 2021 11:33 (two weeks ago) link

I love this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp85RALyx4Y

"Bobby Gillespie" (ft. Heroin) (Tom D.), Monday, 30 August 2021 11:39 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.johnlewisjournalist.co.uk/lee-scratch-perry

interview from 2002 when Lee was curating the meltdown festival.

calzino, Monday, 30 August 2021 11:56 (two weeks ago) link

Battle of Armageddon isn't all bangers, but it does have "Sexy Lady" which would by on my POX for LSP, where the sexy lady may actually be his Echoplex effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m00WixmHCHE

Citole Country (bendy), Monday, 30 August 2021 12:41 (two weeks ago) link

This video is great, I love the way you can see him constructing the track in real time while it's being recorded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y651C7aNXRc

Watched that yesterday cause it's my fav clip of him

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 30 August 2021 17:08 (two weeks ago) link

He's having such a good time.

As a newb to reggae/dub, what produces the wobbly, airy, vaguely electric saw effect in a lot of tracks? Is that a steel drum, a synth, or some post-production effect?

Taliban! (PBKR), Monday, 30 August 2021 17:19 (two weeks ago) link

You mean the flexatone?

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 30 August 2021 18:08 (two weeks ago) link

I guess that's it. Thanks.

Taliban! (PBKR), Monday, 30 August 2021 18:17 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I love how much stuff that sounds futuristic on his tracks is produced by very basic effects.

yep, so good

sleeve, Monday, 30 August 2021 18:40 (two weeks ago) link

4xp you don't sound too convinced lol, could be the sound of a spring reverb tank given a good swift kick

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 30 August 2021 18:50 (two weeks ago) link

Not doubting, just don't know anything in this area. From what I've found online, that spring reverb tank is definitely one of the sounds.

Taliban! (PBKR), Monday, 30 August 2021 20:21 (two weeks ago) link

Just the general production on dub stuff is so awesome and weird.

Taliban! (PBKR), Monday, 30 August 2021 20:22 (two weeks ago) link

That's a great video, somehow strange seeing Boris Gardiner on bass, a guy who had a No. 1 single in the UK with a schmaltzy lover's rock pop song! The loss of the Black Ark was a disaster and tragedy.

"Bobby Gillespie" (ft. Heroin) (Tom D.), Monday, 30 August 2021 20:41 (two weeks ago) link

Well, add me to the list of folks who needed daily doses of Arkology in 1997. Bottomless music inhabited by ghosts and spirits both good and evil, ripped the veil wide open. Reading his interviews over the last 24 hours, his conversation reminds me very much of two people I've known who suffer from paranoid schizophrenia. While I don't want to jump to conclusions, it's sad and also remarkable that he lived his best life to the end.

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 30 August 2021 21:14 (two weeks ago) link

I was just listening to an interview with him from the mid-80s and he was actually perfectly coherent when he wasn't playing up to his self-constructed image.

"Bobby Gillespie" (ft. Heroin) (Tom D.), Monday, 30 August 2021 21:19 (two weeks ago) link

I got Arkology when it came out, barely knowing who Scratch was, just starting to check out nonMarley reggae. I remember it not clicking for awhile, possibly due to having so many versions of the same riddim in a row. Of tracks that weren't even my favorites. Something that still annoys me today with reggae comps.
But there were 10 or so tracks that eventually made me see his appeal. I'm still mad that "Make Up Your Mind" isn't available streaming. Recently discovered it's a Ricky Nelson cover lol wtf. There's so many American songs that I only ever heard the reggae covers of, for years not knowing they even were covers.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 30 August 2021 21:29 (two weeks ago) link

I There's so many American songs that I only ever heard the reggae covers of, for years not knowing they even were covers.


Knee deep in the oopla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i9yZSQKJG4

Citole Country (bendy), Monday, 30 August 2021 21:55 (two weeks ago) link

Love how the Island Records press officer refuted his allegations that Chris Blackwell is a vampire. They didn't think "we mustn't dignify this with a response", they thought "we must deny this unequivocally!!" 😂

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 30 August 2021 23:22 (two weeks ago) link

Did you really repaint Chris Blackwell’s flat because you didn’t like the vibes?

Of course. I also fill up his fridge with rocks. To kaput his energy, confuse his brain, give him big shock. Ha ha!

calzino, Monday, 30 August 2021 23:41 (two weeks ago) link

Check out Perry's Instagram and Facebook accounts - apparently they're claiming he was more or less killed and plan to sue those they're holding responsible. (They're reporting that Perry wasn't sick or anything, which is plausible given that Perry himself uploaded a selfie video the day before he died - he looked otherwise in fine physical health.)

birdistheword, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 01:37 (two weeks ago) link

i am completely failing to process his death. the claim that he was more or less killed makes sense to me as surely he was eternal?

stirmonster, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 15:15 (two weeks ago) link

Lots of new comments. I don't know if this is credible, but one commenter said he was answering text messages up to the day he died. Details are still sketchy, but whoever's running his account emphatically and repeatedly states he wasn't sick, that something "just happened." Crazy.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 16:28 (two weeks ago) link

Clearly I haven't the first clue whether something dodgy went on but it's worth noting that the person who's running that Insta account now (who may be Scratch's widow?) has a main account linked from that post which is pretty much wall-to-wall conspiracy stuff, including some repulsive bits IMO.

Tim, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 16:49 (two weeks ago) link

85-year-old smokers do die from heart attacks and strokes sometimes

fc_TEFH28mo (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 16:51 (two weeks ago) link

Clearly I haven't the first clue whether something dodgy went on but it's worth noting that the person who's running that Insta account now (who may be Scratch's widow?) has a main account linked from that post which is pretty much wall-to-wall conspiracy stuff, including some repulsive bits IMO.

Ahhh, good catch. Well, I guess we'll see whether their arguments before the court makes a convincing case (or not).

birdistheword, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 17:15 (two weeks ago) link

wall-to-wall conspiracy stuff

lee perry was of course perhaps thee original conspiracy theorist so i guess it makes it all the more fitting. i put him on around the turn of the millenium and he refused to shake hands with any meat eaters as they could transmit hormones, or something....

stirmonster, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 17:51 (two weeks ago) link

still sounds as fresh today as it did in 87.

https://www.discogs.com/Lee-Scratch-Perry-Dub-Syndicate-Time-Boom-X-De-Devil-Dead/release/192162

mark e, Saturday, 4 September 2021 20:44 (two weeks ago) link

Indeed it does. I saw him perform this album at Kentish Town Town & Country Club (now The Forum). Dub Syndicate started and were then joined by Akabu. Eventually it became apparent that Perry was refusing to come on stage. After much coaxing he finally came on only to announce that he had no intention of performimng and everyone should instead show respect to Akabu and "listen to the ladies sing" which was "much better than listening to The Upsetter", and then off he went. Another awkward half hour or so passed until he finally appeared and performed a few songs off "Time Boom..." before the house lights came up.

stirmonster, Saturday, 4 September 2021 21:25 (two weeks ago) link

thank you for bringing up that dub syndicate album, i had never heard it before and it really rules

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 16:03 (one week ago) link

I can’t POX with this guy, but just came here to say that one of my favorite magical moments in my memory is one afternoon, in the aughts, I was wandering around Brooklyn with no particular destination in mind and completely randomly stumbled across Lee Perry performing with his band at an outdoor party next to the Gowanus Canal. So surreal and wonderful. He had a small audience but far from what you’d expect for someone of his stature (maybe there are other ilxors who witnessed this?)

Josefa, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 17:05 (one week ago) link

thank you!

sleeve, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:11 (one week ago) link

so, was his last album the On-U collab, Rainford and its associated dubbed up variation, Heavy Rain ?
or did he sort out a few extras in the last months?

mark e, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:18 (one week ago) link

caught the last half of that NTS show live the other day - good vibes, and felt like stirry was just getting warmed up at two hours in

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 10 September 2021 05:06 (one week ago) link

The Wayne and Wax ; and the Erin Macleod Spotify playlists are worth checking out

curmudgeon, Saturday, 11 September 2021 15:15 (one week ago) link

You mean this?
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/1035510633/the-magic-of-lee-scratch-perry
Couldn't find the second one.

What Does Blecch Mean to Me? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 September 2021 15:20 (one week ago) link

Yep

curmudgeon, Sunday, 12 September 2021 04:13 (six days ago) link


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