turntable recommendation II

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I know there has already been a turntable rec thread, and I hope doing this is not too selfish, but I figured I would start another one specificially for myself, uh basically cause I don't know what most of the people in the old one are talking about. And to make it easier on myself and everyone else I have already decided that I will get one from needledoctor.com: http://www.needledoctor.com/s.nl?c=ACCT106601&sc=2&category=45&range=61,90,100 . So can people look at the ones there and recommend which they think is the best choice? Here are my criteria:

Good sound quality is the most important
Must not have an automatic tone arm, or be at all automatic
Price limit around 300$, so that would mean mostly pages 3 and 4
My stereo has a phono input, so I do not want one with a built in amp
A listening, rather than DJ, turntable
I would prefer direct drive, though this is not essential

thanks

Daniel DiMAGGIO (Daniel DiMAGGIO), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 01:42 (nineteen years ago) link

belt drive is supposed to yield better sound than direct drive - if you're not interested in DJing it's not essential.

i've heard good things about the music hall MMF-2.1, though it's slightly more than $300. that's pretty much the model i'm looking at buying someday, when i get sick of the beat-ass technics i have right now.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

if you want a "listening" turntable, maybe you should get one with an autmatic return for the tone arm.. i have two Technics and the MOST annoying thing about them is having to pick the needle up after every record when you just want to play something..

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 01:58 (nineteen years ago) link

(trans: you will ruin lots of needles if you are drunk and/or forgetful)

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

if no DJ, why get direct drive? belt will sound better, usually. For making mix-tapes maybe? The usual recommendations I get are for eBaying used Thorens or Duals or whatever. If you're looking at direct drive turntables, like the "dj" type models but for listening, forget all those stantons and geminis and numarks and just get a used 1200. They're built like tanks and just feel right. Then you can become grandmaster flash later on.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Though I have no personal experience with it, I've heard very good things about the Music Hall. For instance, here are some words about a slightly different model than the one in the Needle Doctor catalog:

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl26.html

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I have the Music Hall MMF-5 which performs wonderfully: clean and clear design, faultless operation, and rich accurate sound. I picked it up in mint condition for ~$400 on ebay. Their entry level model or the Project equivalent is probably decent, but considering how long these things last, if you have a good amp and speakers, I would save a little more up (say $400-$600) and take a step up in build and sonic quality.

Also, look around at estate and yard sales if you have the time...who knows you might find an old Linn.

Ryan McKay (Ryan McKay), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i have a numark tt200 and i am happy w/it. www.turntablelab.com says it's 75% as good as a 1200 (the best/standard club turntable), but it's only $199.

PETER $.., Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, so I think I am going to buy the music hall. one last question: does this one, as I indicated above in my criteria, not have a built in amp? (I don't want it to. What would be the technical term for this so I can look it up in the item description?

Daniel DiMAGGIO (Daniel DiMAGGIO), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

it'd be called a preamp, and i'm almost 100% sure it wouldn't have one. most decent turntables don't.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 30 September 2004 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

yay used 1200s. you saved my life, dj.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

someone recommend me a turntable that will play 78's

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

a friend wants a turntable that comes with speakers built into it, like an all in one. Any ideas?

Jacob Sanders, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

hmmm well...i dunno, why does he want that? i would not recommend it, esp considering you could cobble together a great sounding stereo on craigslist for less than you'd spend on one of those things

eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^^

being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

It's a she and she's not an audiophile. She's wants a suitcase like record player for her bedroom.

Jacob Sanders, Friday, 11 December 2009 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

go to target

being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

srsly, they sell one, my mom sent me the link when i mentioned off-hand that i was getting a turntable

being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks I looked on the Target website and I think they have something like what she's looking for.

Jacob Sanders, Friday, 11 December 2009 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i think crosley makes them and they are easy to get

eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 11 December 2009 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

oh also they will ruin your records btw.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 11 December 2009 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I can't recommend AGAINST Crosley strongly enough. I got one of their "top models" for free and it is an absolute piece. No joke, it has a sub-Fischer Price quality turntable with even worse sound. I can not imagine who is paying for these things.

matt2, Friday, 11 December 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

ah yeah i figured they suck...

your best best quality would probably be finding an old school one on craigslist or garage sale and replacing the cartridge w/a cheaper grado or something

eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 11 December 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a shame that no one make an all-in-one unit that's also a little better sounding and a little nicer to your records.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 11 December 2009 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Crosley is not the only brand that makes those retro portables with the speakers. They might be fun to have around as a second turntable if you're that picky about quality. My mom and grandma have them and frankly for an old lady on a budget living in a one bedroom apartment, it is fine. The design is cool, I have to admit.

[img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BRIbIAcYL._SS500_.jpg";]

By the way, I just got a brand new Pro-Ject, it is AWESOME but I paid $400 for it. It is worth it to me, the less expensive models they put out today look cheap and insult my intelligence. I mean they look like alien poo, they really do.

US EEL (u s steel), Friday, 11 December 2009 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BRIbIAcYL._SS500_.jpg

I am sorry that my formatting sucks.

US EEL (u s steel), Friday, 11 December 2009 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

if one was going to "cobble together a great sounding stereo on craigslist for less than you'd spend on one of those things", what would you guys recommend? And exactly how much $$$ are we talking about?

Chillwave Is an Ill Wave (askance johnson), Friday, 11 December 2009 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know about Craigslist, I personally don't trust the lack of formality of it, I would prefer to use garage sales or used places. I bought some of my components on Ebay but even a complete "retro" stereo can cost you five hundred bucks. I decided against buying anything TOO old sight unseen as you could pay a couple hundred dollars on something and have it fall apart in a year or you have to buy new parts for it.

Then again if you use Craigslist you could probably go to the seller's house and have them demonstrate the product for you.

US EEL (u s steel), Friday, 11 December 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

here is what i cobbled together

turntable -- free from parents' friends who don't use it anymore...pretty nice technics
receiver -- h/k 330c on CL for $65
speakers -- boston acoustic jobs that sound really, really, really good. $150

i've got an airtunes setup that pipes my mp3s to the receiver, so that's all i need. basically, ~$200 for a very nice sounding stereo. what i didn't pay for the turntable i made up for by splashing out for the speakers.

being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

gbx did great!! yeah that's exactly what i'm talking about...i got a really nice old NAD CD player for $25 on craigslist once

in fact, if you lived in mpls i could cut you a deal a totally good technics receiver w/phono ins and some old JBL speakers that are pretty decent.

eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Honestly the Crosley sounds fine in my mom's apartment, she has one of the more expensive models (over $200 with CD player) it is very dorm-room sounding, but I know we are music buffs here.

US EEL (u s steel), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link

ayo M@tt i know at least two ppl that are in the market

being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

ie - that have seen my DOPE HIFI and were surprised to learn that I got it all for so cheap. and are realizing that there's loads of great old music on vinyl that can be had for cheap, etc.

so basically i've got two med school pals that are trying to ape my style (receiver, phono, speakers, computer input) and are shopping. med students be shoppin

being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

gbx if that's a 80s/90s pretty normalish but nice technics and you need a new needle, a grado black will really improve the sound a lot for about $60

http://www.needledoctor.com/Grado-Black-1-Prestige-Series-Phono-Cartridges_2?sc=2&category=374

had one on mine til i got the rega and i loved it.

eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

(also if you go to the needle dr. dudes will throw it on for you for free)

eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Your vinyl needs the best if you are converting to mp3, I learned this the hard way. Have to re-do a lot of my vinyl.

US EEL (u s steel), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link

oooh new cartridge might not be a bad idea. i spend all day like 300 yards from the needle doc

being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that grado black is a great "budget" (lol audiophile pricing) cartridge and should go well with any basic techniques arm, or maybe an ortofon om-5, but the dudes that work at needle doctor have been real princes to me in terms of giving good advice on stuff

eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Any recommendations for a decent portable turntable? I used to have a Vestax Handy Trax and sold it, but my wife misses it and it's good for the porch on summer nights. Thinking about buying another one of those, but am wondering what else is out there.

Kornblud (admrl), Thursday, 24 April 2014 12:50 (nine years ago) link

oh good timing. my niece wants one for her birthday. she's gonna be sixteen. looking to spend ~$100 or a little more form something "nice" with auto-return. hoping for a nice rec (?). wish i cld afford a pro-ject for her but likely it would get slightly abused anycares....

Tom Waits for no one (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 24 April 2014 13:31 (nine years ago) link

Was the handy trax good or did you sell because it was bad?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 24 April 2014 14:07 (nine years ago) link

I liked it pretty well. Not too loud, but good enough. Nice and light.

Kornblud (admrl), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link

a friend rec'd me this and it looks like exactly what i was looking for fwiw
http://www.lpgear.com/product/ATLP60.html

Tom Waits for no one (outdoor_miner), Friday, 25 April 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

Anybody have any opinions about Denon turntables?

http://www.needledoctor.com/Denon-DP300F-with-2M-Red-Package?sc=2&category=1143

Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 19 September 2014 13:49 (nine years ago) link

seven years pass...

Hello. I guess there might be a more up to date thread but ...

I'm looking for a sub-£200 record player. Any recommendations? I've been looking at Richer Sounds and a few seem to be USB turntables, which I'm assuming means it would be easy to convert vinyl to digital recordings? If so, that would be good.

Ta

djh, Monday, 23 May 2022 13:16 (one year ago) link

Under 200 I would go for a Project, as they are well respected, if I was recommending a budget turntable, I would try to stretch for a Rega P1.

I dont know all the HIFI brands, but guess they might all be very similar in terms of build quality, and at least the project will have easy to get spares ( replacement needle/cartridge)

USB will allow the turntable to be connected to a computer as an audio interface, to record vinyl on your computer, but the parts used in this USB analogue > digital converter will be far lower quality than anything else, so you pays your money.....

I have never used a USB turntable, so maybe someone else can chime in if there is a big difference between brands.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Monday, 23 May 2022 13:51 (one year ago) link

Thanks my opinionation!

And/or is there a relatively cheap and cheerful way of converting to digital if I buy a non-USB one?

djh, Monday, 23 May 2022 15:40 (one year ago) link

Does anyone know of something to connect a Technics turntable to a computer for sound in place of an amplifier or the other unit to which it normally connects before connecting to speakers?

youn, Monday, 23 May 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link

I think you need a digital audio converter (DAC).

A used turntable from the 70’s/80’s could be the best bang for your buck.

Cow_Art, Monday, 23 May 2022 15:56 (one year ago) link

I’m considering buying a refurbished Technics myself. There’s a 1360 from c.1975 and a slightly later Quartz model (5210, I think). The former is more expensive, but I’m thinking it might be lower maintenance. Any opinions?

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 23 May 2022 16:47 (one year ago) link

I think you need a digital audio converter (DAC).

A used turntable from the 70’s/80’s could be the best bang for your buck.

― Cow_Art, Monday, May 23, 2022 11:56 AM (two hours ago)

you wouldn't need a DAC i don't think as the conversion is happening the other way (i.e. the analog signal from the turntable is being converted into digital).

i think you'd just need a typical phono preamp (with RIAA curve adjustment) and you could feed that into the mic/line input of your computer for digitizing via audacity or whatever your recording software of choice is. you could probably get better results if you bought an external interface as built-in mic/line inputs in a computer tend to be pretty noisy.

, Monday, 23 May 2022 19:01 (one year ago) link

Does anyone know of something to connect a Technics turntable to a computer for sound in place of an amplifier or the other unit to which it normally connects before connecting to speakers?

― youn, Monday, May 23, 2022 11:53 AM (three hours ago)

some quick googling suggests it's more trouble than it's worth as the signal from your turntable is too weak to be picked up reliably by the computer and so you'd still need a phono preamp to handle the RIAA curve and boost the signal etc.

, Monday, 23 May 2022 19:16 (one year ago) link

yup. I haven't used one, but there are phono preamps with USB now
I've owned this brand of phono preamp and this looks like a new model with USB:
https://artproaudio.com/product/usb-phono-plus-project-series/

Pro-ject has one here:
https://pro-jectusa.com/product/record-box-e/

mh, Monday, 23 May 2022 20:34 (one year ago) link

(these are technically ADCs afaict)

mh, Monday, 23 May 2022 20:35 (one year ago) link


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