I'm Related To An Avant-Garde Composer...

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Or- Cornelius Cardew: Classic Or Dud?

I've only heard a bit of his memorial concert, which I like- it's kind of Stockhausen-y etc...

I'd like to know more, 'cause I've only just found out we were related and am mucho intrigued; I know a bit from this month's The Wire, but not much else really.

Or alternatively use this thread to talk about your musical relatives (ie Momus- "I'm related to Momus" and various more interesting things)

emil.y, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

wow thats a cool guy to be related to. we had to read about him for an electro acoustic class. i believe he was an assistant to stockhausen in the 50's. my friend "logrreybeam" is way influenced by the was he used notation as a suggestion rather than a set way of playing his compositions. he would make some abstract wacky score and tell the performers to play what they see. fun stuff.
you know that bald bass player with the long ass beard and the glasses? he was on the zappa brothers show recently and plays bass with phil collins since the 70s. thats my relative. also my sister was in the rentals before the guy from weezer was and she was in exp with paris from christian death.

chaki, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, Lee Sklar!

dleone, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

yah him. he plays bass on billy cobham's 'spectrum' album too, which is just a funky kick ass record if i ever heard one.

chaki, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

how are you related to him emily? we did a thread recently discussing his relative merits. mark s is turning into him. he didn't like reggae. he used to play in the earliest version of amm. he wanted to be tied up and whipped by lennin and mccartney. thats about it, really.

jess, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i am supposedly distantly related to Ivor Novello, although i never found out how exactly

gareth, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

dave = weird poet of the apocalypse!

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

ahem. wrong thread.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

ah, but you reminded me it exists.

Jess- if the calculations are correct, it's second cousin twice removed. I always knew we were related to the others, as me ma is a potter and takes great pride in the fact she's related to Michael, I just didn't realise it was the same family. I've been round his brother's house an' all. Ooh.

emil.y, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i guess CC was the black — er, red — sheep of the Cardew family: his deep knowledge of chinese calligraphy and slipmarking on ceramics kinda informs AMM's aesthetic philosophy

in my real-life job at the cr•fts c•uncil i encounter the non-cornelius cardews all the time, weirdly enuff

mark s, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Can one of you lot rage into the Stephen Duffy/Lilac Time thread. I've found myself trapped in there with a bunch of sychphants.

In return, I can say that I'm related to Stephen Duffy. He's my twin. And I don't like that. You see, I'm not very good at being scathing.

Roy Blows, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

thirteen years pass...

http://i.imgur.com/OaZ1prK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ai8V9RG.jpg

maderna and feldman could be related

this is an interesting thread

The Fields of Karlhenry (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 01:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh god. Embarrassing posting styles of yore.

emil.y, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 01:23 (three years ago) Permalink

cardew seems sort of germane to your interests

The Fields of Karlhenry (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 01:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Jowe Head messaged me on FB wondering if we might be related. Don't think we are, though.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 08:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Is his real name Jowe Poo?

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 08:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Why yes, yes it is.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 08:36 (three years ago) Permalink

We are also both originally from the ancient county of Pooshire.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 08:37 (three years ago) Permalink

had to look that place up on smell maps

irl friend of the geir (NickB), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 08:52 (three years ago) Permalink

A+

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 08:57 (three years ago) Permalink

terrible

irl friend of the geir (NickB), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 09:07 (three years ago) Permalink

Have been *mildly obsessed with Cardew in the past, so fascinating to discover the ILX connection.

(*was at an ILB FAP once with fizzles, woof, xyzzz, ledge et al and got excited because there was a guy in the bar who was Cornelius Cardew's double but as no-one else knew what he looked like I had no-one to share my excitement with).

Willibald Pirckheimers Briefwechsel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 09:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Today is actually Jowe Head's birthday. I hope he has a smashing time.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 09:17 (three years ago) Permalink

how do you actually pronounce 'jowe'? not that i am at all likely to ever have cause to speak it outside the confines of my own brain, but even in there i guess it's courteous to say it correctly. for some reason i always germanicize it as "yo-vi" but i guess it could just as easily be plain old "joe"?

irl friend of the geir (NickB), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 09:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Pretty sure it's "Jow" rhyming with "how", at least that's what it sounded like he said when he was introducing his band when I saw him play.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 09:30 (three years ago) Permalink

ah thanks!

irl friend of the geir (NickB), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 09:33 (three years ago) Permalink

jowe now, brown cow

irl friend of the geir (NickB), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 09:33 (three years ago) Permalink

I assume it's meant to represent a Brummie rendering of Joe?

Willibald Pirckheimers Briefwechsel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 11:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Jowe Head (the stage name derived from Birmingham slang for "weirdo")

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 11:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Whether you like his music or not, fair play to the guy for actually writing songs that say something about society and trying to get younger people thinking about current issues. Most music these days is so bland and corporate. Popstars convey nothing in their songs in the modern era except how much money they have or how many chicks they've bedded. Music used to inspire the young to rise up and challenge the establishment. Nowadays it encourages youngers to embrace it. Sad times.

The Fields of Karlhenry (nakhchivan), Thursday, 11 June 2015 00:26 (three years ago) Permalink

re cardew i have been fairly familiar with his music and life for a while but i don't remember seeing a picture of him......even if you gis its mostly those graphical scores, idk maybe its a rights issue, this could be his iconic picture maybe but only the telegraph website has it

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IQ1IVBBVkVs/VUOpwmezZxI/AAAAAAAAAx0/EjDyxTOhv58/s1600/a%2Bcornelius1_1696409c.jpg

The Fields of Karlhenry (nakhchivan), Thursday, 11 June 2015 00:32 (three years ago) Permalink

the same people who bumped him off destroyed all pictures of him

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Thursday, 11 June 2015 08:05 (three years ago) Permalink

i knew john tilbury had written a biography of cardew, but not that it was over a 1000 pages long.

no lime tangier, Thursday, 11 June 2015 08:44 (three years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Ha! Forgot about this thread. The only interesting relative I have is my uncle, who played for Morton and St. Mirren (I'm Related To An Avant-Garde Centre Back), no 1000 word biographies of him to date.

The Robustness of Captchas (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 February 2016 12:58 (two years ago) Permalink

(btw came across this thread by searching for a I Didn't Know They Were Related thread, having just discovered Toby Jones is the son of Freddie Jones).

The Robustness of Captchas (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 February 2016 13:05 (two years ago) Permalink

There was a recording studio in Worcester in the 80s run by a man who coincidentally has the same real first and last name as Jowe Head, but he is not Jowe Head, where lots of pioneering grind/crust punk was recorded - Doom, Napalm Death, ENT etc.

Pretty sure I'm not related to him either.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 4 February 2016 13:19 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Ha! Forgot about this thread. The only interesting relative I have is my uncle, who played for Morton and St. Mirren (I'm Related To An Avant-Garde Centre Back), no 1000 word biographies of him to date.

Sad news, my uncle died last week :( Since then I've uncovered his brief career as a recording artist, though I don't think emil.y need worry, it's not exactly comparable to Cornelius Cardew...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvtxLlOvLoc

We can be herpes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 18:36 (two months ago) Permalink


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