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If there's been a discussion about this guy somewhere else, forgive me. I got "The Doldrums" in the mail a couple days ago and it strikes me as hopelessly absorbing: super lo-fi, warped in places, pop played by one dude who maybe didn't think anybody was ever going to listen to him go on about meeting up with a girl named Kate or how much growing up sucks in double-tracked style, sometimes achingly falsetto.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Reminds me of very early Ween if they really inhaled the Scotchgard and recorded on speech casettes.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's funny -- everything that people say about this guy, including the shit that's meant to be negative -- just makes me think I would love it! Still yet to hear any. "The Doldrums" is the one on Paw Tracks, right? I should order that. Incidentally, the other discussions about him are on one of the Animal Collective threads.
Does anyone know about the double disc set he put out?

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The double disc "House Arrest/Lover Boy" is beyond damaged, genuis stuff. Way more problems than B Wilson.
Can be hard to find through normal channels, but you can get his stuff through www.cdbaby.com

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, listening again, I can definitely hear some Ween in there, in the best way possible. For some reason this has me thinking of a dude holing up in a bomb shelter with a tape player and some instruments and a 50-pack of blank cassettes right before a nuclear war, and recording these freaked-out songs as some sort of comfort to himself that despite the madness going on right outside, one day he’ll be able to safely re-enter the world.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

otm, except that the bomb has already exploded and he's still trying to record another baroque pop masterpiece while bricks fly everywhere.

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and succeeding. plus this isn't far off from the truth really, culturally speaking at least. he does live in hollywood, right?

duke canyon, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

AND SUCCEEDS!

duke fann, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

to me it just sounds like the best he could do with what he had. otherwise it's just pop.
i like it but i don't think there's any armageddon sirens going on anywhere.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

wait til you hear the ten minute "Trepanated Earth" off "Worn Copy" where he proclaims "Mankind is a Nazi" and the "Earth is a pile of dog shit". He's "immune to emotion" living "life on credit".

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i've heard a similar approach used when discussing david berman too. like a "post-apocalyptic haze" thing

duke haze, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and as with him and his work, there is some staggering kaleidoscopic talent lurking beneath the temporal hipster trappings IMHO

duke due, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

excepter loves them some ariel pink?

jean jeudi, Thursday, 2 September 2004 20:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

*awwwww*

duke indeed, Thursday, 2 September 2004 21:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hey could someone send me a song via gmail? all i have is an old version of "want me".

seahorse genius (seahorse genius), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You can listen to tons of tracks at CDBaby.com it turns out. Are the CDs as lo-fi as those clips? Songs sound awesome, anyways...

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

All I've heard is 'jules lost his jewels' (or at least I think that's what it's called), and that is a fantastically nice little song. I'm looking forward to the full-length. I also find it somehow terribly moving that A. Pink's website seems to have been a birthday present from his family, and there's still no real information on it yet.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And by 'full-length', I mean 'Paw Tracks debut'.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Everything on Paw Tracks is extremely lo-fi.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't consider Here comes the indian to be *that lo-fi...

BbetaA, Friday, 3 September 2004 22:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This is 8-track, not 4-track, dog.

sexyDancer, Friday, 3 September 2004 23:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry I meant everything on the Ariel Pink Paw Tracks release, not Paw Tracks as a whole.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
gotta revive for the upcoming Worn Copy release. anyone else feeling dis?

i fucking love it

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

everybody's going crazzzzzzzy fr this!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

reynolds, woebot, geeta... I'm down too!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think you'd like this, toby!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I thought the Doldrums was way better. Worn Copy's really good but....too long and too scattered, or something. I'm still figuring out my feelings here.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

shuffle function serves Mr. Pink well.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

very, very, very good. very good. this is what i always wanted Gary Wilson to sound like. Search "Life in L.A."

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ariel Pink for president! Just think of the ecology! The electricity savings! The thrift!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Revive to profess my undying love for Worn Copy. Even though this was apparently released on a CD-R at one point, will this still count as a 2005 release?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

REISSUE

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 7 April 2005 09:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"House Arrest" is still by far his catchiest and most consistent album. I can't really get into worn copy much past the point where he declares that "mankind is a nazi"

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

mitch dub (ano ano), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That blows. Between "Alisa", "West Coast Calamities", "Gettin' High in the Morning", and "Interesting Results" it's probably the best bedroom pop album this decade will see.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

word

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

xypost: But that's just after the first few minutes!!!

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I know. hopefully the rest of the album will grow on me at some point, but after listening to worn copy 6 or 7 times, the second half of trepanated earth is the only thing on it that i really like.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"CREDIT"?

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The free track on the paw tracks website isn't a patch on anything on Doldrums

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

down at the creepshow...

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...
This is an incredible bit of music. Absolutely baffling but all the more wonderful.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's like the music you hear in your head just as you're drifting out of consciousness with classic rock radio on.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

So... classic rock through a drainpipe, then, and then irritation that it's not LETTING you drift out of consciousness, and then silence?

I've still not heard 'Ariel Pink'.

The fact that 'lo-fi' has been used NINE ZILLION TIMES in this thread with barely any answers...

... doesn't appeal.

But perhaps I am KNEE JERKING?!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

When I think of low-fi, I always think of stuff done on cheap instruments and played very badly on purpose. This is stuff played on good equipment, written and played beautifully and then recorded on the cheapest equipment possible.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yes but what are his INFLUENZAS!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

70s and 80s rock/pop. Lots of Roxy Music, Lennon, Bowie, Talking Heads, New Wave etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and R. Stevie Moore

naturemorte, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Guided by Voices if they grew up listening to '80s pop radio instead of 60s and 70s classic rock. Plus he actually finishes the songs he writes.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The Cure are his biggest influence

i like The Doldrums A LOT, Worn Copy though, i don't know. It's not as catchy maybe, except for ' Jules Lost His Jewels'

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

wasn't kim fowley heavily involved in his past couple albums too

global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:56 (one month ago) Permalink

I can't remember what AP said word for word, but he started the show by saying something to the tone of holding his underage girlfriend hostage backstage in a grotesque manner. When people were offended, he started going off at them like a gas lighter. That was enough to make me want to GTFO. Even if it allegedly ended up being consensual, making an audience believe you're being abusive towards your girlfriend onstage is no joke. Nobody goes to a show to see a domestic abuse act.

Chantilly Bass, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:04 (one month ago) Permalink

xp Pom Pom, yeah. Co-wrote a handful of the songs, gave AP titles & lyrics.

flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:05 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah that is fucking insane and really fucked up

flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:06 (one month ago) Permalink

@Le Bateau Ivre - what happened specifically? just curious. was it him solo or the band years?

flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:07 (one month ago) Permalink

dating a 20 year old fan is creepy enough on its own but that's all very fucked up. unfortunately not too surprising with his history of misogyny but this is certainly on another level

i can forgive maus for being a naive moron about mde though, glad he's distanced himself

ufo, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:14 (one month ago) Permalink

isnt that guy super smart though? like a philosophy professor? not buying the dumb act.

i had a friend that moved out to Cali a few years ago and hung around in the scene w Ariel and R Stevie Moore. she was going w a lot of creepy guys at the time and it seemed like a iffy idea but he was pretty nice to her from what i heard. now she's living back at home now and has given up drugs and hanging around sketchy characters thank god.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:28 (one month ago) Permalink

I definitely am skeptical that this was just an act. Ariel Pink is known for having weird breakdowns on stage, not for carefully orchestrated theatrical moments.

Both Maus and Pink are exceptionally talented artists. That's a completely separate issue though.

Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:30 (one month ago) Permalink

having weird breakdowns on stage, not for carefully orchestrated theatrical moments

these can be one and the same

"Performance Art"TM just think of AP as another youtube asshole doing it for LOLZ

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:32 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean, I know this term has fallen out of vogue, but I think he's crazy.

Not that it excuses anything he does or says.

Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:35 (one month ago) Permalink

dating a 20 year old fan is creepy enough on its own but that's all very fucked up. unfortunately not too surprising with his history of misogyny but this is certainly on another level

What's the pointing of being a star if you can't date a 20 year old fan. 20! If that's not fair game, what is?

Two guys shoving their fists up each other's asses is a-okay, but wanting a much younger (but legal woman) is taboo now. I mean, sorry for the obvious anti-PC stuff, but I am truly sick of much of it.

The rest (e.g., abuse) is another matter, of course.

Nobody’s trying to be nefarious; nobody’s trying to hide anythin (_Rudipherous_), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:39 (one month ago) Permalink

I agree that 20 is not underage but um

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:41 (one month ago) Permalink

Dating a 20 year old fan is fine. Mistreating them is not.

Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:43 (one month ago) Permalink

That middle paragraph though. I do not sign off on it.

Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:44 (one month ago) Permalink

Also describing women as "game" is pretty fucked. Flagged ur post Rudolph.

Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Wait who’s fisting who

flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Who fists the fisters?

Treeship, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Every night PC Dies at Rudy's

calstars, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 02:23 (one month ago) Permalink

Two guys shoving their fists up each other's asses is a-okay

damn right it is

brimstead, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 03:41 (one month ago) Permalink

his dad's twitter https://twitter.com/marioros

flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Dr. Mario Colonoscopist is pro-Harvey Weinstein

flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:24 (one month ago) Permalink

Like asshole like son.

Fetchboy, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:25 (one month ago) Permalink

in addition to all that coming on stage stumble-down drunk to a crowd of people who paid to see you and may have travelled a good distance is a pretty big asshole move

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:26 (one month ago) Permalink

and to think I was about to post something here about liking the new album...

Saw him once (circa 2010?) and he was in relatively good behavior. He was obviously a weird guy but held it together for the show.

skip, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 14:57 (one month ago) Permalink

his dad's twitter https://twitter.com/marioros

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:22 (ten hours ago) Permalink

Pink was re-tweeting his dad's pro-weinstein comments the other day. Do we just chalk this up to Pink being an oddball/weirdo, or is he actually kind of a shitty human being? I mean he hangs out with Greg Gutfield, acts like an asshole to his girlfriend in front of an audience, says really, really horrible things in interviews...but he makes good music? Is that enough to save him from the same fate that's ending Matt Mondanile's career?

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:24 (one month ago) Permalink

In another reddit throwaway account:

I saw this post from the daily discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76j49s/sunday_daily_music_discussion_october_15_2017/doeqhd8/
So I just kind of wanted to make a thread about this.
I saw Ariel Pink at the Metro in Chicago in 2010 after Before Today came out, Os Mutantes and someone else I can't remember opened.
I was standing at the front of the stage with two girls I went to the show with, like right in front of Ariel Pink himself.
During one of the songs, he jumped off stage and came right at, I didn't really know what he was doing, but he came right up to me, grabbed my face and started kissing me, like full tongue down threat and everything. He then turned and did the same thing to the couple girls I was with, and then some other girls who started crowding up to the stage, and jumped back up and kept playing with the rest of the band.
I uh...wasn't really into it, and I felt pretty embarrassed, but I just kind of thought it was "part of the show" so I didn't really think much of it. But having seen all the stuff about Matt Mondanile come out the past couple days and all the details about makes me feel like that was all not very above board?
So I just wanted to get that out. Thanks for reading.

https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/76t96k/in_response_to_the_ariel_pink_story_from/

Can anyone confirm this is something this asshole does at shows?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:15 (one month ago) Permalink

Two guys shoving their fists up each other's asses is a-okay
damn right it is

― brimstead, Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:41 AM (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, go fist yourself rudipherous. make sure you take your head out of there first tho.

map, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:37 (one month ago) Permalink

Someone in the that Reddit thread posted this video with him leaving the stage to make out with the audience, so it definitely has happened. You can see it around the 2:35 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=regt_xy8N-M&feature=youtu.be

Chantilly Bass, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:01 (one month ago) Permalink

he was good last night :/

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:26 (one month ago) Permalink

john maus was boring af tho

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:26 (one month ago) Permalink

is the Chapel a pretty small place? I was surprised he was doing 3 nights there

flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:37 (one month ago) Permalink

ariel has been a reactionary prick forever, i kind of thought this was well known?

marcos, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:38 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't think anyone is shocked, it's just another installment. & obviously even more stark & nauseating given the timing

flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 17:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Yea the chapel is small. We was packed like sardines in there until half the crowd dipped

sunkengarden, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 21:02 (one month ago) Permalink

glad my long-held assessment that this guy's music sucks also applies to his personality

akm, Friday, 20 October 2017 12:57 (four weeks ago) Permalink

would you not prefer it if it was just the former of those two options

PaulTMA, Friday, 20 October 2017 14:07 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Some record store in Atlanta stopped selling AP's music and he's feuding with them on twitter

Another day of being attacked by Ariel Pink and his legion of enablers.

— Indie Vinyl Den (@indievinylden) October 20, 2017

This is just a sampling of how many people are defending public actions of Ariel Pink (of which even he call gross conduct.) pic.twitter.com/ISqWksKSai

— Indie Vinyl Den (@indievinylden) October 20, 2017

flappy bird, Friday, 20 October 2017 16:25 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I have one ticket to the Philly show on Friday Nov 3rd, looking to sell it for face value (which is less than I wound up paying with fees added in). Anyone in the Baltimore area want to buy it from me?

Just realizing that I'm not up for all the driving needed to see it, especially when there are other things I need to do timewise and no one I know (other than one performer) will be attending.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

i had never really listened to much cabaret voltaire before but right now i have red mecca on and jeez this is like 90% of ariel's early sound huh

marcos, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 21:10 (four days ago) Permalink

... no?

brimstead, Thursday, 16 November 2017 01:55 (three days ago) Permalink

definitely in there but no 90%

flappy bird, Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:06 (three days ago) Permalink

i think it's just.. lofi

brimstead, Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:10 (three days ago) Permalink

Imperial Motors is maybe 75--80%

3×5, Saturday, 18 November 2017 01:48 (yesterday) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhJvGJhKxGM

brimstead, Saturday, 18 November 2017 02:17 (yesterday) Permalink

this, which is the first track on his FACT mix, sounds so much like him it's nuts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbGiSsE0Y0s

brimstead, Saturday, 18 November 2017 02:19 (yesterday) Permalink

Wow

calstars, Saturday, 18 November 2017 02:50 (yesterday) Permalink

I was looking for that band, but I couldn't search for it because I don't know Cyrillic. Good call though, brimstead. Also Оборотень Лис

3×5, Saturday, 18 November 2017 16:04 (yesterday) Permalink

Anyone ripped these?

calstars, Saturday, 18 November 2017 19:59 (yesterday) Permalink


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