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If there's been a discussion about this guy somewhere else, forgive me. I got "The Doldrums" in the mail a couple days ago and it strikes me as hopelessly absorbing: super lo-fi, warped in places, pop played by one dude who maybe didn't think anybody was ever going to listen to him go on about meeting up with a girl named Kate or how much growing up sucks in double-tracked style, sometimes achingly falsetto.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Reminds me of very early Ween if they really inhaled the Scotchgard and recorded on speech casettes.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's funny -- everything that people say about this guy, including the shit that's meant to be negative -- just makes me think I would love it! Still yet to hear any. "The Doldrums" is the one on Paw Tracks, right? I should order that. Incidentally, the other discussions about him are on one of the Animal Collective threads.
Does anyone know about the double disc set he put out?

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The double disc "House Arrest/Lover Boy" is beyond damaged, genuis stuff. Way more problems than B Wilson.
Can be hard to find through normal channels, but you can get his stuff through www.cdbaby.com

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, listening again, I can definitely hear some Ween in there, in the best way possible. For some reason this has me thinking of a dude holing up in a bomb shelter with a tape player and some instruments and a 50-pack of blank cassettes right before a nuclear war, and recording these freaked-out songs as some sort of comfort to himself that despite the madness going on right outside, one day he’ll be able to safely re-enter the world.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

otm, except that the bomb has already exploded and he's still trying to record another baroque pop masterpiece while bricks fly everywhere.

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and succeeding. plus this isn't far off from the truth really, culturally speaking at least. he does live in hollywood, right?

duke canyon, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

AND SUCCEEDS!

duke fann, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

to me it just sounds like the best he could do with what he had. otherwise it's just pop.
i like it but i don't think there's any armageddon sirens going on anywhere.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

wait til you hear the ten minute "Trepanated Earth" off "Worn Copy" where he proclaims "Mankind is a Nazi" and the "Earth is a pile of dog shit". He's "immune to emotion" living "life on credit".

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i've heard a similar approach used when discussing david berman too. like a "post-apocalyptic haze" thing

duke haze, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and as with him and his work, there is some staggering kaleidoscopic talent lurking beneath the temporal hipster trappings IMHO

duke due, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

excepter loves them some ariel pink?

jean jeudi, Thursday, 2 September 2004 20:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

*awwwww*

duke indeed, Thursday, 2 September 2004 21:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

hey could someone send me a song via gmail? all i have is an old version of "want me".

seahorse genius (seahorse genius), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You can listen to tons of tracks at CDBaby.com it turns out. Are the CDs as lo-fi as those clips? Songs sound awesome, anyways...

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

All I've heard is 'jules lost his jewels' (or at least I think that's what it's called), and that is a fantastically nice little song. I'm looking forward to the full-length. I also find it somehow terribly moving that A. Pink's website seems to have been a birthday present from his family, and there's still no real information on it yet.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

And by 'full-length', I mean 'Paw Tracks debut'.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Everything on Paw Tracks is extremely lo-fi.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't consider Here comes the indian to be *that lo-fi...

BbetaA, Friday, 3 September 2004 22:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

This is 8-track, not 4-track, dog.

sexyDancer, Friday, 3 September 2004 23:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sorry I meant everything on the Ariel Pink Paw Tracks release, not Paw Tracks as a whole.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
gotta revive for the upcoming Worn Copy release. anyone else feeling dis?

i fucking love it

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

everybody's going crazzzzzzzy fr this!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

reynolds, woebot, geeta... I'm down too!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think you'd like this, toby!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I thought the Doldrums was way better. Worn Copy's really good but....too long and too scattered, or something. I'm still figuring out my feelings here.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

shuffle function serves Mr. Pink well.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

very, very, very good. very good. this is what i always wanted Gary Wilson to sound like. Search "Life in L.A."

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ariel Pink for president! Just think of the ecology! The electricity savings! The thrift!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Revive to profess my undying love for Worn Copy. Even though this was apparently released on a CD-R at one point, will this still count as a 2005 release?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

REISSUE

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 7 April 2005 09:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"House Arrest" is still by far his catchiest and most consistent album. I can't really get into worn copy much past the point where he declares that "mankind is a nazi"

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

mitch dub (ano ano), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That blows. Between "Alisa", "West Coast Calamities", "Gettin' High in the Morning", and "Interesting Results" it's probably the best bedroom pop album this decade will see.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

word

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

xypost: But that's just after the first few minutes!!!

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I know. hopefully the rest of the album will grow on me at some point, but after listening to worn copy 6 or 7 times, the second half of trepanated earth is the only thing on it that i really like.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"CREDIT"?

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The free track on the paw tracks website isn't a patch on anything on Doldrums

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

down at the creepshow...

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...
This is an incredible bit of music. Absolutely baffling but all the more wonderful.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's like the music you hear in your head just as you're drifting out of consciousness with classic rock radio on.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

So... classic rock through a drainpipe, then, and then irritation that it's not LETTING you drift out of consciousness, and then silence?

I've still not heard 'Ariel Pink'.

The fact that 'lo-fi' has been used NINE ZILLION TIMES in this thread with barely any answers...

... doesn't appeal.

But perhaps I am KNEE JERKING?!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

When I think of low-fi, I always think of stuff done on cheap instruments and played very badly on purpose. This is stuff played on good equipment, written and played beautifully and then recorded on the cheapest equipment possible.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yes but what are his INFLUENZAS!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

70s and 80s rock/pop. Lots of Roxy Music, Lennon, Bowie, Talking Heads, New Wave etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and R. Stevie Moore

naturemorte, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Guided by Voices if they grew up listening to '80s pop radio instead of 60s and 70s classic rock. Plus he actually finishes the songs he writes.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The Cure are his biggest influence

i like The Doldrums A LOT, Worn Copy though, i don't know. It's not as catchy maybe, except for ' Jules Lost His Jewels'

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the og video is taken offline? idgi

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This leaked.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 13 July 2017 14:16 (one week ago) Permalink

It's good. The annoying tracks are really annoying, though. There's one about santa claus that does nothing for me. I kind of expected that from the title.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 13 July 2017 14:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Funnily enough I listened to Pom Pom and Mature Themes last night and had the same thought...in equal parts brilliant and annoying

X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Thursday, 13 July 2017 14:55 (one week ago) Permalink

What is the ratio of brilliant to annoying on the new one?

Moodles, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Wow, 2 months early. I'd rather wait...

flappy bird, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:16 (one week ago) Permalink

The brilliant/annoying balance on this seems closer to, say, Before Today than the last two. But you may wanna skip the first song

bunny slopes, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Ariel Stinks

calstars, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:56 (one week ago) Permalink

First song, while pretty annoying, has nothing on the Santa song. First song is more along the lines of your typical throwaway Ariel song.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:20 (one week ago) Permalink

shit, I've been getting Before Today vibes from the singles. That blows. Last 2 are my favorites by him

flappy bird, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:42 (one week ago) Permalink

I wouldn't worry too much. It's full of good songs. He wouldn't be Ariel without the jokey throwaway songs.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 13 July 2017 21:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Not a single "jokey throwaway" song on The Doldrums, his best album by a mile.

Not sure if I'm better off postponing or listening to it now. First reactions here are not encouraging.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 22:11 (one week ago) Permalink

Album is great and not as goofy as his last two. Definitely contains at least three or four career highlights and is pretty consistently good in a way that reminds me, again, of Before Today

bunny slopes, Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:56 (one week ago) Permalink

The Doldrums is my favorite Ariel Pink album, but he's released a variety of albums since that are most certainly full of those types of songs, particularly the last two.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 14 July 2017 00:23 (one week ago) Permalink

And I absolutely love Pom Pom, so I'm ok with that.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 14 July 2017 00:23 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah the first track sounds like a Maus thing

calstars, Friday, 14 July 2017 00:56 (one week ago) Permalink

i don't get the appeal. I hear weak melodies and recycling of old ideas. Reminds me of Mature Themes, which imo is his weakest big label album.

nostormo, Friday, 14 July 2017 05:50 (one week ago) Permalink

"Kitchen Witch" is very good

But the title track seems to be the "round and round" of the album. I dig the Doors homage near the end

I wonder if Tim Koh plays on this

calstars, Friday, 14 July 2017 14:31 (one week ago) Permalink

I imagine he's on most of it, Koh has been with him for 15+ years, maybe 20...

flappy bird, Friday, 14 July 2017 17:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Ha, I'd watch that

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 14 July 2017 18:03 (one week ago) Permalink

https://radio.foxnews.com/2017/07/12/ariel-pink-on-the-science-of-music/

Greg Gutfield lol

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 14 July 2017 18:03 (one week ago) Permalink

lol I forgot that he went on Red Eye in 2013

flappy bird, Friday, 14 July 2017 18:43 (one week ago) Permalink

Who's singing on kitchen witch?

calstars, Friday, 14 July 2017 23:18 (one week ago) Permalink

i think dayzed inn daydreams is one of the best songs of 2014

Treeship, Friday, 14 July 2017 23:57 (one week ago) Permalink

I think this album is pretty disappointing.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 15:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Time to Meet Your God rules. i like the album ok but i think it's mixed poorly. for instance Bubblegum Dreams feels like it should be all spikey and crystalline and it sounds a bit flat and over-compressed instead. Pom Pom had way more texture to it.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 21 July 2017 23:13 (five days ago) Permalink

I think "acting" is really good too

calstars, Saturday, 22 July 2017 00:10 (four days ago) Permalink

Time to Meet Your God rules. i like the album ok but i think it's mixed poorly. for instance Bubblegum Dreams feels like it should be all spikey and crystalline and it sounds a bit flat and over-compressed instead. Pom Pom had way more texture to it.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, July 21, 2017 7:13 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck... the mixing was my biggest problem with Before Today besides the grab bag sequencing... i loved Mature Themes and Pom Pom because they sounded so precise and clear.

flappy bird, Saturday, 22 July 2017 04:00 (four days ago) Permalink

Jesus fuck I listened to five minutes of that Greg Gutfield thing I think half of my brain died how dumb can 2 motherfuckers be?

I dug Before Today but I guess maybe this dude isn't for me

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 July 2017 06:34 (four days ago) Permalink

Flappy, you don't think "bright lit" "Beverley" and "lestat" from Before sound clear? (Dare I say crisp)?

Also the muddiness of "hot tub" and even "menopause" kind of work in their favor

"Phanthasma" is a good b-side

calstars, Saturday, 22 July 2017 09:32 (four days ago) Permalink

Jesus fuck I listened to five minutes of that Greg Gutfield thing I think half of my brain died how dumb can 2 motherfuckers be?

I dug Before Today but I guess maybe this dude isn't for me

Dude the early stuff really is way better

brimstead, Saturday, 22 July 2017 16:57 (four days ago) Permalink

Flappy, you don't think "bright lit" "Beverley" and "lestat" from Before sound clear? (Dare I say crisp)?

Also the muddiness of "hot tub" and even "menopause" kind of work in their favor

The whole album has a lot more reverb than Mature Themes or Pom Pom. They're "well produced," but I don't think it serves the songs. It's very desaturated sounding to me. Mature Themes and Pom Pom are full band but there's a directness and a dryness to them that resembles his early work. I agree that Hot Body Rub and Menopause Man are served well by the production - those are two of my favorites from Before Today (Beverly Kills is my favorite song but I far prefer the early version).

flappy bird, Sunday, 23 July 2017 03:38 (three days ago) Permalink

The messiness of his early work and his recording process - the little vocal interjections, lots of call and response panning, two seconds of some instrument that never reappears - are all over Mature Themes and Pom Pom. I find the production on Before Today very boring, common, flat, Phil Spector-y in the worst way at times.

flappy bird, Sunday, 23 July 2017 03:40 (three days ago) Permalink

After several spins:
I Wanna Be Young and Kitchen Witch are great. Feels Like Heaven is ok. Don't care about the rest.

nostormo, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:36 (yesterday) Permalink

Long interview on stereogum today

calstars, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:44 (yesterday) Permalink

The phrase "Kitchen Witch" is used ia few times in the Office s9e17. Wonder if he took that or if it's just general cultural osmosis

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:13 (yesterday) Permalink

I haven't heard the leak - but a friend told me that there's another instance on the album of AP totally aping a vocal melody from a famous song. Wish I could remember what song.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:22 (yesterday) Permalink

Time To Live = Video Killed The Radio Star's verse

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:30 (yesterday) Permalink

I know about that one, it's a track that hasn't been released as a single. I texted my friend, waiting to hear back...

flappy bird, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 21:33 (yesterday) Permalink

AP twitter says there are 4 b-sides comin with the vinyl, could it be one of those?

calstars, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 22:53 (yesterday) Permalink

Did a vinyl rip leak? My friend heard whatever y'all have been talking about.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 23:21 (yesterday) Permalink

OK, my friend says one of the songs on here cops the guitar/chords and a bit of the vocal from "Son of a Gun" by the Vaselines.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 01:21 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

Yeah, Bubblegum Dreams definitely bears a strong resemblance at times.

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 01:35 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

yeah i think he even sings up up up and down at one point

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 01:39 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

Long interview on stereogum today

― calstars, dinsdag 25 juli 2017 17:44 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah. If you want to hear AP explain why Trump is a "success" and how unfair the president's being treated - as he is himself (his words) - do check it out. I sure wish I hadn't.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 08:27 (eight hours ago) Permalink

its interesting that he went back to home recording for this one. but it sounds like his last couple of studio records just w worse sonics. its not like the tape wobble and noise and saturation of his old stuff, they probably bought a bunch of nice microphones and a good multitrack machine. so its sort-of lofi but not really. why not do it on a crappy tape machine like the old days?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 13:02 (three hours ago) Permalink

Long interview on stereogum today

― calstars, dinsdag 25 juli 2017 17:44 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah. If you want to hear AP explain why Trump is a "success" and how unfair the president's being treated - as he is himself (his words) - do check it out. I sure wish I hadn't.

It was so long I had to take a break last night... certainly a throwback to the pom pom interviews...

flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:28 (one hour ago) Permalink

eh his defense of Trump is pretty tepid. AP seems like either not a very bright guy or a garden-variety troll who just seeks out "difficult" opinions but he makes cool music so

frogbs, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:30 (one hour ago) Permalink

After years and years of following him I think the answer def is 'not very bright'. But he indeed makes very cool music.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:36 (one hour ago) Permalink


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