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If there's been a discussion about this guy somewhere else, forgive me. I got "The Doldrums" in the mail a couple days ago and it strikes me as hopelessly absorbing: super lo-fi, warped in places, pop played by one dude who maybe didn't think anybody was ever going to listen to him go on about meeting up with a girl named Kate or how much growing up sucks in double-tracked style, sometimes achingly falsetto.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Reminds me of very early Ween if they really inhaled the Scotchgard and recorded on speech casettes.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's funny -- everything that people say about this guy, including the shit that's meant to be negative -- just makes me think I would love it! Still yet to hear any. "The Doldrums" is the one on Paw Tracks, right? I should order that. Incidentally, the other discussions about him are on one of the Animal Collective threads.
Does anyone know about the double disc set he put out?

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The double disc "House Arrest/Lover Boy" is beyond damaged, genuis stuff. Way more problems than B Wilson.
Can be hard to find through normal channels, but you can get his stuff through

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, listening again, I can definitely hear some Ween in there, in the best way possible. For some reason this has me thinking of a dude holing up in a bomb shelter with a tape player and some instruments and a 50-pack of blank cassettes right before a nuclear war, and recording these freaked-out songs as some sort of comfort to himself that despite the madness going on right outside, one day he’ll be able to safely re-enter the world.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

otm, except that the bomb has already exploded and he's still trying to record another baroque pop masterpiece while bricks fly everywhere.

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and succeeding. plus this isn't far off from the truth really, culturally speaking at least. he does live in hollywood, right?

duke canyon, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


duke fann, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

to me it just sounds like the best he could do with what he had. otherwise it's just pop.
i like it but i don't think there's any armageddon sirens going on anywhere.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

wait til you hear the ten minute "Trepanated Earth" off "Worn Copy" where he proclaims "Mankind is a Nazi" and the "Earth is a pile of dog shit". He's "immune to emotion" living "life on credit".

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i've heard a similar approach used when discussing david berman too. like a "post-apocalyptic haze" thing

duke haze, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and as with him and his work, there is some staggering kaleidoscopic talent lurking beneath the temporal hipster trappings IMHO

duke due, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

excepter loves them some ariel pink?

jean jeudi, Thursday, 2 September 2004 20:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


duke indeed, Thursday, 2 September 2004 21:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hey could someone send me a song via gmail? all i have is an old version of "want me".

seahorse genius (seahorse genius), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You can listen to tons of tracks at it turns out. Are the CDs as lo-fi as those clips? Songs sound awesome, anyways...

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

All I've heard is 'jules lost his jewels' (or at least I think that's what it's called), and that is a fantastically nice little song. I'm looking forward to the full-length. I also find it somehow terribly moving that A. Pink's website seems to have been a birthday present from his family, and there's still no real information on it yet.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And by 'full-length', I mean 'Paw Tracks debut'.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Everything on Paw Tracks is extremely lo-fi.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't consider Here comes the indian to be *that lo-fi...

BbetaA, Friday, 3 September 2004 22:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This is 8-track, not 4-track, dog.

sexyDancer, Friday, 3 September 2004 23:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry I meant everything on the Ariel Pink Paw Tracks release, not Paw Tracks as a whole.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
gotta revive for the upcoming Worn Copy release. anyone else feeling dis?

i fucking love it

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

everybody's going crazzzzzzzy fr this!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

reynolds, woebot, geeta... I'm down too!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think you'd like this, toby!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I thought the Doldrums was way better. Worn Copy's really good but....too long and too scattered, or something. I'm still figuring out my feelings here.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

shuffle function serves Mr. Pink well.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

very, very, very good. very good. this is what i always wanted Gary Wilson to sound like. Search "Life in L.A."

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ariel Pink for president! Just think of the ecology! The electricity savings! The thrift!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Revive to profess my undying love for Worn Copy. Even though this was apparently released on a CD-R at one point, will this still count as a 2005 release?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink


jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 7 April 2005 09:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"House Arrest" is still by far his catchiest and most consistent album. I can't really get into worn copy much past the point where he declares that "mankind is a nazi"

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

mitch dub (ano ano), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That blows. Between "Alisa", "West Coast Calamities", "Gettin' High in the Morning", and "Interesting Results" it's probably the best bedroom pop album this decade will see.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink


noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

xypost: But that's just after the first few minutes!!!

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I know. hopefully the rest of the album will grow on me at some point, but after listening to worn copy 6 or 7 times, the second half of trepanated earth is the only thing on it that i really like.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink


noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The free track on the paw tracks website isn't a patch on anything on Doldrums

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

down at the creepshow...

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...
This is an incredible bit of music. Absolutely baffling but all the more wonderful.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's like the music you hear in your head just as you're drifting out of consciousness with classic rock radio on.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

So... classic rock through a drainpipe, then, and then irritation that it's not LETTING you drift out of consciousness, and then silence?

I've still not heard 'Ariel Pink'.

The fact that 'lo-fi' has been used NINE ZILLION TIMES in this thread with barely any answers...

... doesn't appeal.

But perhaps I am KNEE JERKING?!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

When I think of low-fi, I always think of stuff done on cheap instruments and played very badly on purpose. This is stuff played on good equipment, written and played beautifully and then recorded on the cheapest equipment possible.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yes but what are his INFLUENZAS!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

70s and 80s rock/pop. Lots of Roxy Music, Lennon, Bowie, Talking Heads, New Wave etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and R. Stevie Moore

naturemorte, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Guided by Voices if they grew up listening to '80s pop radio instead of 60s and 70s classic rock. Plus he actually finishes the songs he writes.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The Cure are his biggest influence

i like The Doldrums A LOT, Worn Copy though, i don't know. It's not as catchy maybe, except for ' Jules Lost His Jewels'

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

who would've thought the guy who opened a 2003 album by yelling "The human race is a pile of dogshit!" quickly followed by "Mankind is a nazi" would say something stupid

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark

love this moment

calstars, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:25 (one month ago) Permalink

humanity's the devil

calstars, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:29 (one month ago) Permalink

One part of the interview I thought was interesting was when he mentioned that the music gets done first and the lyrics last.

calstars, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Assuming it's Dam on Acting ?

calstars, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:50 (one month ago) Permalink

Is this guy really a norm? He really got me with the whole outsider art for the mentally thing.

carpet_kaiser, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:56 (one month ago) Permalink


carpet_kaiser, Friday, 28 July 2017 01:56 (one month ago) Permalink

xxp yeah it is

flappy bird, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:38 (one month ago) Permalink

fuck this song is so good, better than the one on pom pom

flappy bird, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:11 (one month ago) Permalink

who would've thought the guy who opened a 2003 album by yelling "The human race is a pile of dogshit!" quickly followed by "Mankind is a nazi" would say something stupid

Post of the year

skip, Saturday, 29 July 2017 04:05 (one month ago) Permalink

this bit from the Stereogum stuck with me... besides the fidelity, there really is a difference in the songs he recorded pre- and post-2004:

I just wanted a little bit of love and attention. I didn’t even realize it for 26 years, you know? Then when it came, it was like, aw shit, that’s it? I don’t have the same urge or drive to create like I used to. That was all just a desperate plea for attention. Maybe that’s what informed it and made it so vital at the time, but that’s gone now. I had to rearrange my mind on how to write songs. I definitely don’t do it the same way or for the same reasons that I used to.

flappy bird, Saturday, 29 July 2017 04:59 (one month ago) Permalink

ah yes, norms who do drugs to induce chemical depression/psychosis. For those norms who feel left out of the mentally ill equation.

Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 29 July 2017 07:58 (one month ago) Permalink

his dad is a millionaire colonoscopist who got convicted for fraud once

hackshaw, Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:50 (one month ago) Permalink

why is he not in jail?

nostormo, Saturday, 29 July 2017 16:08 (one month ago) Permalink

Was his dad also known as Dr. Mario?

calstars, Saturday, 29 July 2017 16:28 (one month ago) Permalink


flappy bird, Saturday, 29 July 2017 17:07 (one month ago) Permalink

lol calstars

Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 29 July 2017 17:30 (one month ago) Permalink

I guess this has managed to avoid the radar for like 5 years but umm wtf

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 19:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Chairman Meow Best Cat Name it is not. ...

sarahell, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:00 (one month ago) Permalink

reading the track list is more entertaining than listening to the songs

calstars, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:51 (one month ago) Permalink

ripe for a poll IMO

calstars, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:52 (one month ago) Permalink

KKG is bloated but "R. Stevie's Brain" is a classic

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:59 (one month ago) Permalink

On first listen this (the new album) is pretty good

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 21:10 (one month ago) Permalink

"Make me a man" etc

calstars, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 23:41 (one month ago) Permalink

Jameson IS good, I think. The relative concision and tidiness after pom pom threw me at first.

Maximum big surprise! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Friday, 4 August 2017 10:59 (one month ago) Permalink

Didn't know that I Wanna Be Young and Dedicated To Bobby are reworks of his old tunes.. :

nostormo, Friday, 4 August 2017 13:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Interesting! Were these on any of his "official" releases ?

calstars, Friday, 4 August 2017 17:25 (one month ago) Permalink

no, not on any of the Paw Tracks albums or Scared Famous or Loverboy. my friend is a massive AP head and has all this stuff on its own external hard drive. i think those are both from Yas Dudette (which has multiple versions with different sequencing and mixes).

flappy bird, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:09 (one month ago) Permalink

I Wanna Be Young was on the official Oddities Sodomies compilation. Time Dandelion is rare and is on the Oddities Sodomies tour cdr.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:30 (one month ago) Permalink

(hadn't made the connection of reworkings yet because I've yet to hear the new album)

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:31 (one month ago) Permalink

oh yeah Oddities Sodomies, iirc that's where the original (superior) version of "Beverly Kills" comes from

flappy bird, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:36 (one month ago) Permalink

No, Beverly Kills is from Scared Famous/FF>>

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:46 (one month ago) Permalink

Time Dandillion (dandelion?) is pretty cool but I prefer the fidelity and better chorus of the remake. Tinsel-town tran hey!

calstars, Saturday, 5 August 2017 01:08 (one month ago) Permalink

xp ohh whoa, shit nvm, i was confusing Oddities Sodomies with Grandes Exitos: Greatest Hits. i assume it's the same recording/mix, although who fuckin knows...

flappy bird, Saturday, 5 August 2017 01:21 (one month ago) Permalink

xpost is that definitely the lyric?

PaulTMA, Saturday, 5 August 2017 18:09 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Really enjoying the b-side to the "Another Weekend" single, "Ode to the Goat (Thank You)" - that one isn't on the album right? love this line in the chorus: "hashtag yipikayay-ay!"

flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Sounds tasty. Got a link?

calstars, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:12 (one month ago) Permalink

It didn't come with a download code :( I'll email Mexican Summer and try to get one, song is dope

flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:25 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

p4k likes it

my LP is in the mail, excited to hear it

flappy bird, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Glad that we're finally listening to the proper record/higher quality files than that terrible leak

bunny slopes, Friday, 15 September 2017 19:05 (one week ago) Permalink

halfway thru my 2nd full listen... really different from Mature Themes and pom pom, which were very immediate... this record feels like it's covered in gauze, in that way it's more similar to his lo-fi records than his previous three. The production is really interesting, spread out & immersive - also the songs are so much less 'wacky' for lack of a better word. The melodies are more traditional. A world away from "White Freckles" and "Pink Slime." More than anything, this record is just further proof of his incredible songwriting abilities. This is his Brill Building record. Nothing stands out except "Time to Live." It feels so coherent as a whole, but song for song not sure I dig this one as much as MT or PP. More guitar, less synths. But "Time to Live" is pretty amazing.

My LP came with a bonus disc with four b-sides, all pretty good:
"Nighttime is Great!"
"Lil' Birdie Told Me"
"Non-Sequitur Segues"
"May the Music Never Die Again"

flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 05:08 (five days ago) Permalink

This gets so much better on repeated listens. "Death Patrol" and "Dedicated to Bobby Jameson" are so beautiful. "Death Patrol" starts off like a pom pom song, juicy clavinet chords panning back and forth... and then it goes into that chorus... so sad & melancholy... the melancholy on this record is so specific and nuanced, the whole thing feels like a peek into another world, just like those upthread talked about The Doldrums: "the genius is you're imagining with him." it just the lyrics, or the consciously straightforward & impersonal songwriting, there's just this veil of sadness over the whole album... and all of that makes for something much easier to project onto and imagine, get lost in... there was no mystery in the 4AD records. and how these songs just blossom listen to listen, new details reveal themselves... as much as he's trying to downplay it, I really think this is a major work, and time is very important... my view has already changed so much since last night...

flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:25 (five days ago) Permalink

mp3s of the above 4

calstars, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:07 (four days ago) Permalink

Oh sick, thank you!!

flappy bird, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:32 (four days ago) Permalink

Been hunting for rips of the Japanese CD for ages, anyone know? Has these songs on there.

PaulTMA, Thursday, 21 September 2017 17:41 (three days ago) Permalink

return to form production wise for sure. bubblegum dreams has gotta be the worst thing he's ever done!

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 21 September 2017 18:10 (three days ago) Permalink

Still trying to get into this one, definitely prefer Pom Pom so far.

Moodles, Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:08 (three days ago) Permalink

i definitely prefer it over pom pom just because it isn't anywhere as annoying as most of that. 'time to live' is the clear highlight but i really like the b-side 'ode to the goat' too

i like that the production is a more listenable version of his early lo-fi sound, but it also makes tracks blend together a little more than they should? still need to spend more time with it

haven't listened to the bonus EP yet

ufo, Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:25 (three days ago) Permalink

Ode to the Goat might be my favorite out of all of these

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:16 (three days ago) Permalink

New album's my favorite thing he's done since the original classics.

carpet_kaiser, Saturday, 23 September 2017 02:08 (yesterday) Permalink

In fact, it's the only album I've liked since House Arrest

carpet_kaiser, Saturday, 23 September 2017 02:08 (yesterday) Permalink

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