Ariel Pink

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If there's been a discussion about this guy somewhere else, forgive me. I got "The Doldrums" in the mail a couple days ago and it strikes me as hopelessly absorbing: super lo-fi, warped in places, pop played by one dude who maybe didn't think anybody was ever going to listen to him go on about meeting up with a girl named Kate or how much growing up sucks in double-tracked style, sometimes achingly falsetto.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Reminds me of very early Ween if they really inhaled the Scotchgard and recorded on speech casettes.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's funny -- everything that people say about this guy, including the shit that's meant to be negative -- just makes me think I would love it! Still yet to hear any. "The Doldrums" is the one on Paw Tracks, right? I should order that. Incidentally, the other discussions about him are on one of the Animal Collective threads.
Does anyone know about the double disc set he put out?

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The double disc "House Arrest/Lover Boy" is beyond damaged, genuis stuff. Way more problems than B Wilson.
Can be hard to find through normal channels, but you can get his stuff through www.cdbaby.com

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, listening again, I can definitely hear some Ween in there, in the best way possible. For some reason this has me thinking of a dude holing up in a bomb shelter with a tape player and some instruments and a 50-pack of blank cassettes right before a nuclear war, and recording these freaked-out songs as some sort of comfort to himself that despite the madness going on right outside, one day he’ll be able to safely re-enter the world.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

otm, except that the bomb has already exploded and he's still trying to record another baroque pop masterpiece while bricks fly everywhere.

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and succeeding. plus this isn't far off from the truth really, culturally speaking at least. he does live in hollywood, right?

duke canyon, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

AND SUCCEEDS!

duke fann, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

to me it just sounds like the best he could do with what he had. otherwise it's just pop.
i like it but i don't think there's any armageddon sirens going on anywhere.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

wait til you hear the ten minute "Trepanated Earth" off "Worn Copy" where he proclaims "Mankind is a Nazi" and the "Earth is a pile of dog shit". He's "immune to emotion" living "life on credit".

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i've heard a similar approach used when discussing david berman too. like a "post-apocalyptic haze" thing

duke haze, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and as with him and his work, there is some staggering kaleidoscopic talent lurking beneath the temporal hipster trappings IMHO

duke due, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

excepter loves them some ariel pink?

jean jeudi, Thursday, 2 September 2004 20:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

*awwwww*

duke indeed, Thursday, 2 September 2004 21:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hey could someone send me a song via gmail? all i have is an old version of "want me".

seahorse genius (seahorse genius), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You can listen to tons of tracks at CDBaby.com it turns out. Are the CDs as lo-fi as those clips? Songs sound awesome, anyways...

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

All I've heard is 'jules lost his jewels' (or at least I think that's what it's called), and that is a fantastically nice little song. I'm looking forward to the full-length. I also find it somehow terribly moving that A. Pink's website seems to have been a birthday present from his family, and there's still no real information on it yet.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And by 'full-length', I mean 'Paw Tracks debut'.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Everything on Paw Tracks is extremely lo-fi.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't consider Here comes the indian to be *that lo-fi...

BbetaA, Friday, 3 September 2004 22:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This is 8-track, not 4-track, dog.

sexyDancer, Friday, 3 September 2004 23:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry I meant everything on the Ariel Pink Paw Tracks release, not Paw Tracks as a whole.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
gotta revive for the upcoming Worn Copy release. anyone else feeling dis?

i fucking love it

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

everybody's going crazzzzzzzy fr this!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

reynolds, woebot, geeta... I'm down too!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think you'd like this, toby!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I thought the Doldrums was way better. Worn Copy's really good but....too long and too scattered, or something. I'm still figuring out my feelings here.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

shuffle function serves Mr. Pink well.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

very, very, very good. very good. this is what i always wanted Gary Wilson to sound like. Search "Life in L.A."

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ariel Pink for president! Just think of the ecology! The electricity savings! The thrift!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Revive to profess my undying love for Worn Copy. Even though this was apparently released on a CD-R at one point, will this still count as a 2005 release?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

REISSUE

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 7 April 2005 09:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"House Arrest" is still by far his catchiest and most consistent album. I can't really get into worn copy much past the point where he declares that "mankind is a nazi"

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

mitch dub (ano ano), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That blows. Between "Alisa", "West Coast Calamities", "Gettin' High in the Morning", and "Interesting Results" it's probably the best bedroom pop album this decade will see.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

word

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

xypost: But that's just after the first few minutes!!!

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I know. hopefully the rest of the album will grow on me at some point, but after listening to worn copy 6 or 7 times, the second half of trepanated earth is the only thing on it that i really like.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"CREDIT"?

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The free track on the paw tracks website isn't a patch on anything on Doldrums

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

down at the creepshow...

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...
This is an incredible bit of music. Absolutely baffling but all the more wonderful.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's like the music you hear in your head just as you're drifting out of consciousness with classic rock radio on.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

So... classic rock through a drainpipe, then, and then irritation that it's not LETTING you drift out of consciousness, and then silence?

I've still not heard 'Ariel Pink'.

The fact that 'lo-fi' has been used NINE ZILLION TIMES in this thread with barely any answers...

... doesn't appeal.

But perhaps I am KNEE JERKING?!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

When I think of low-fi, I always think of stuff done on cheap instruments and played very badly on purpose. This is stuff played on good equipment, written and played beautifully and then recorded on the cheapest equipment possible.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes but what are his INFLUENZAS!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

70s and 80s rock/pop. Lots of Roxy Music, Lennon, Bowie, Talking Heads, New Wave etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

and R. Stevie Moore

naturemorte, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Guided by Voices if they grew up listening to '80s pop radio instead of 60s and 70s classic rock. Plus he actually finishes the songs he writes.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Cure are his biggest influence

i like The Doldrums A LOT, Worn Copy though, i don't know. It's not as catchy maybe, except for ' Jules Lost His Jewels'

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It doesn’t sound that much like his own music but threadc reminded that I really liked this from that same FACT mix AP did a few years ago.

https://youtu.be/h_O0cDszcuE

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

that was reissued on this amazing comp last year: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Sky-Girl/release/8684302

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 21 November 2017 15:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

really good song, listened to it 4 or 5 times in a row on thursday. sneaks up on u

flappy bird, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:01 (four months ago) Permalink

Every generation gets the David Bowie it deserves.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 12 March 2018 17:08 (four months ago) Permalink

not sure about the outro but otherwise quite enjoyable! who is SSION?

niels, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:15 (four months ago) Permalink

don't know but that hook is killer

flappy bird, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:21 (four months ago) Permalink

Every generation gets the David Bowie it deserves.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, March 12, 2018 1:08 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yuppies deserved prince?

flappy bird, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:22 (four months ago) Permalink

wow that washed over me with zero effect

zalstarz (calstars), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 01:35 (four months ago) Permalink

try again took me a couple tries I was skeptical at first

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:20 (four months ago) Permalink

ssion - my love grows in the dark was a kinda big song like 4 or 5 years ago i think.

dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:42 (four months ago) Permalink

the good bit is where it interpolates Neil young's Neil Young's Hey Hey, My My (Into The Black) from 4 minutes in. I like it though.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:43 (four months ago) Permalink

i like the video

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:46 (four months ago) Permalink

i like Ariel Pink but he is in no way the Bowie of this generation. Bowie had a solid 15 years of radio hits singles and mass appeal (despite Julian's dumb fantasy tons of people knew who Bowie was in the 70's). Pink has't even gotten to his Space Oddity yet.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 11:11 (four months ago) Permalink

that’s exactly what JC is saying though right? In a better world “Round and Round” would’ve been a radio hit. All the records this decade have as much mass appeal as Bowie imo - “Only in My Dreams,” “Baby,” “PYNIMP,” “Another Weekend,” “L’estat,” “Kinski Assassin,” “Feels Like Heaven”... and “Space Oddity” was only a hit years later after Ziggy.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:30 (four months ago) Permalink

All the records this decade have as much mass appeal as Bowie imo

not in the opinion of the masses tho!

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:36 (four months ago) Permalink

well it's a different era, Bowie was on a major label, exploded in popularity after a performance on Top of the Pops when everyone watched that show no matter who was on because there were so few options on TV

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:32 (four months ago) Permalink

Space Oddity saw Bowie temporarily become a one-hit wonder until Ziggy

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:51 (four months ago) Permalink

sure but again he was on a major label. But it is true AP the man does not have the charisma or stage presence of Bowie. quite the opposite in fact.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:35 (four months ago) Permalink

n a better world “Round and Round” would’ve been a radio hit.

lol whut

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:58 (four months ago) Permalink

I remember Ellen Olenska in The Age of Innocence: "Oh, my dear - where is that country? Have you ever been there?"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:01 (four months ago) Permalink

def could've seen it becoming a crossover hit helped by commercial syncs & a bigger push by 4AD. I'd say the same for Grimes but as has been discussed on her thread, Art Angels performed shockingly poorly on the charts compared to how much acclaim it got & how much people love it. maybe the problem is 4AD.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:06 (four months ago) Permalink

Agree about the hit potential for "Round and Round." That fan video with the footage from "Perfect" made it seem like it should be soundtracking crossfit/soulcycle sessions.

henry s, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:30 (four months ago) Permalink

a bigger push in what direction? there's no radio format that's hospitable to the type of music the dude makes.

greater commercial success for an artist like a purity ring just involves getting it in front of people who already like similar music and will immediately understand it. ariel pink's music doesn't really resemble anything that ever has been wildly successful or is wildly successful currently. to get him over the hump, you'd either have to find a way to make his music more commercial without sanding off the edges that make it appealing to fans, or have a legion of his acolytes go forth into the industry and do that work for him by creating commercial music that proudly bears his influence that would provide mainstream audiences with the context they'd need to understand and appreciate what he does.

that's not even getting into any of the personal stuff.

i personally would characterize "round and round" as a song that actually over-performed relative to what the natural demand for this guy's music is, and that the dude's boosters in the media and at his label performed a miraculous act akin to squeezing blood from a stone when they managed to get his name out there as much as they did.

james brooks, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:45 (four months ago) Permalink

a bigger push in what direction? there's no radio format that's hospitable to the type of music the dude makes.

all the songs I listed, esp. 'Round and Round,' could slot in perfectly on pop/rock radio. not to mention every single college radio station in the country. I agree that the main problem is his complete lack of charisma, really an anti-charisma, that shatters the Bowie comparison & his pop chances. and again, even that's not getting into the personal stuff, which is another huge problem. but on the music alone, I could see it in another world.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:53 (four months ago) Permalink

Round and Round is a good song that droops under the weight of its deliberate lethargy and lacklustre vocal delivery. A cover of the song could be a hit but this song as it is? no.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:07 (four months ago) Permalink

"round and round" is over five minutes long and takes forever to get to the chorus. the relevant radio formats are overrun by beat-driven comfort food like portugal. the man's "feel it still" and imagine dragons. ariel pink is not LP1 MGMT - what he's doing has no relationship to the type of rock music that's currently doing numbers.

the dude's brand as an underappreciated mad genius or whatever is a perfect match for his actual skillset. he routinely over-delivers relative to the very low expectations his public persona inspires, which keeps a small base of hardcore fans happy. that is the type of career he seems to be able to handle and i don't think anything bigger would work out well for either him or the world.

james brooks, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:12 (four months ago) Permalink

flappy bird, were you listening to pop radio in 2010 and 2011

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:13 (four months ago) Permalink

"Round and Round" would have fit just fine and Usher-Pitfull, Rihanna, Bruno Mars, and Gaga.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:14 (four months ago) Permalink

MGMT is a great comparison, 5 minute hits are not unprecedented, I'm just saying it could've happened on the same scale as an MGMT. james is right though w/r/t AP's actual skillset and abilities and likely inability to cope with / manage a huge boost in popularity.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:07 (four months ago) Permalink

but MGMT have never had anything close to an American top forty hit.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:17 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah I know they did reasonably well on all those obscure tertiary charts, & those songs are still in rotation a lot, i.e. = pop hit for an indie act

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:20 (four months ago) Permalink

jb otm

I thought I hated Ariel Pink but I realized that I just didn't need him, and most of the people I knew who were passionate fans I think were themselves goofy insecure musicians who felt more personally validated by his presence and acclaim than they actually felt moved by his music

There were parts of Pom Pom that spoke to me I guess

He came to my house once for a party, I'd never met the guy, he was a guest of some other people I'd invited. He ended up kind of holding court with my guitar on my couch and it was good! But then I ended up getting drunk and needing to sleep before people could leave. I woke up and all the lights were still on nothing was cleaned up and the front door was wide open and one of the showers was inexplicably on. I found Ariel's bank card on the ground outside and returned it to him later that day. It took me all day to clean up the mess

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:48 (four months ago) Permalink

“pink's music doesn't really resemble anything that ever has been wildly successful or is wildly successful currently”

You mean pop music?

zlstrz (calstars), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:05 (four months ago) Permalink

idk, the 'hold i'm coming' part of the chorus is good but it's not one of his best songs or anything

brimstead, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:08 (four months ago) Permalink

the 'everything's my fault" part is godawful

brimstead, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:08 (four months ago) Permalink

^ both of those are irrelevant to whether or not it could've become a pop hit

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:31 (four months ago) Permalink

"Round and Round" is cool for what it is but when placed on a radio next to actually catchy songs its muddy dull and doesn't do much. Bowie actually wrote songs that could stand up next to other songs. songs with deep variety that still came a steady clip. for a decade straight. "Space Oddity" and "Fame" are like half a decade apart.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:38 (four months ago) Permalink

at any rate if this was a fantasy universe then can't we ask for someone better than Ariel Pink who perhaps wasn't appreciated as much as him in this universe

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:40 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah... Joe Meek

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:41 (four months ago) Permalink

round and round is def a popular song. i hear it every time im perusing the sales rack at urb outfitterz.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:50 (four months ago) Permalink

perusing the $28 new vinyl section at UO

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:54 (four months ago) Permalink

nah man looking 4 those marked down sweat shorts.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:54 (four months ago) Permalink

According to spotify Ariel Pink has an average of 813,552 listeners per month against Julian Casablancas 203,700 monthly listeners.

Maybe tell Julian that nowadays Ariel Pink is at least 4 times more famous than him as a solo artist. That should make him happy.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 07:56 (four months ago) Permalink

"Witchhunt Suite" scratches that Before Today itch pretty well

zlstrz (calstars), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 19:49 (four months ago) Permalink

Julian Casablancas solo or The Voidz? Solo he only made one album 8 years ago

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 19:55 (four months ago) Permalink

"Witchhunt Suite" scratches that Before Today itch pretty well

― zlstrz (calstars), Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:49 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true, which is strange, because it was allegedly recorded on the evening of 9/11/01

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:06 (four months ago) Permalink

Ariel Pink is this generation's...Stephen Malkmus

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:05 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Mankind is a nazi (Humanity’s the devil)

calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:20 (one month ago) Permalink


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