why do people on ILM hate "live through this" ?

Or, from my layperson's pov, even the "admirable" stuff like exercise, workaholicism etc etc can be destructive. Look at certain mountain-climbers, marathon runners who neglect family, whatever to go go go, for whatever reason. I can't name names but you see what I mean, probably

If one could die of nail-biting my ex-smoker husband would not be on this earth, today. And it's a good thing we can't die of media-worship or tv-watching. Or maybe we can. What would we do without Courtney? This thread would be alive and well with "X" album in the title and we'd be blabbing away about a culprit/person with a different name.

Having said that though, and agreeing with Tim wholeheartedly that women are held to a different standard then men in all arenas, Courtney is pretty fucking wacky! And annoying!

But Live Through This is great!

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The whole "Courtney's antics are intertwined with her music" line of argument is almost always directed at female not male performers - see also Tori Amos, Bjork etc.

When this argument is applied to a male performer though, it tends to be as a positive statement: qf Eminem. I always thought it was a shame that Courtney and Tori hate each other so much, mainly because you can pretty much some up male rock critic reactions to women through just reading their reviews.

Michael Jackson I find scary and appalling, both musically and personally. Just like Courtney!

He's another plastic surgery disaster.

as for yr axl qualifiers, those are all pretty vague and could apply to thousands of performers. (omg, singers expressing their private pathologies thru lyrics??! No way! No one had ever done that before! Why don't we just switch focus over to Trent Reznor instead...)

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Or maybe we should just change the subject, I know how you like that. Trent vs. Axl in spoiled baby rockstar FITE!

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I didn't accuse anyone of saying this, I was making a larger point about gender-based double standards. Read what I wrote, as you say.

never met or heard anything from someone painting her as a "hero, either".

The more people are bugged by someone, the more uptight they expose themselves to be. When bugged, ignore. There's lots more interesting stuff in the world to focus on. Like talking about the music.
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Celebrity haters = me yawning.

letting the thread morph into whatever = maybe we should just change the subject, I know how you like that

so be careful.

so be careful"

I think I've just entered a Brian de Palma movie.

Not interestingly or surpisingly, I just noticed that it only took three posts for this thread to veer into the world of Courtney and away from the album.

Is that an ILM record, I wonder.

They made a conscious decision to keep themselves private, which Courtney has never done at any point in the last twelve years.

Making a conscious effort to keep oneself out of the limelight does a lot to transcend the differences between male celebrities and female celebrities.

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What differences?

i agree with yr second post, natch

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