Big fan of Squire's foofy boots here.
― kicked off mumsnet for speaking my mind (Matt #2), Saturday, 30 January 2021 10:51 (three years ago) link
I suspect the pedalboard doesn't actually work, he's just miming so that people pay more attention to the footwear.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link
What is that keyboard pedalboard Squire is playing? It's too early to be a Taurus, I think.
My keyboard guru got back in touch to tell me they seem to be a set of Dewtron Mr.Bassman pedals: https://www.matrixsynth.com/2013/10/early-1970s-dewtron-mister-bassman-bass.html
― kicked off mumsnet for speaking my mind (Matt #2), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppLsvpwZchA
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:50 (three years ago) link
Ah, thanks. Why did Squire need a bass synth pedalboard? I get that Geddy Lee used them when he played keyboards.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link
They had a deep, well-rounded tonality, so good for punctuation in parallel with his handful-of-gravel-hitting-a-tin-bath bass sound, I imagine he probably didn't really need it once Wakeman moved in.
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:56 (three years ago) link
End of Starship Trooper for a start!
― kicked off mumsnet for speaking my mind (Matt #2), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:56 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DQua8h82M why is howe in the video?
― xzanfar, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
Silly human race
― calstars, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link
that '71 concert includes the Paul Simon tune 'america' - love hearing little Jon sing about the New Jersey turnpike
― calstars, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
the studio version of "America" is fantastic
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link
did i dream that they once did a live version where they mashed up simon & garfunkel's "america" with west side story's "america"?
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link
Maybe you're thinking about The Nice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLVEIGsG1Og
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 20:03 (three years ago) link
yeah i think i mashed those two up in my mind. but there's a free idea for any enterprising band that wants it.
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link
finally listening to Yesshows, I don't think I've ever actually heard this before. you know how copies of Yessongs & ELP's Welcome Back My Friends are always beat to shit? with Yesshows and ELP's In Concert it's the opposite, every copy I see looks pristine, which to me is a signal that the people who bought these listened to it once or twice before filing it away forever.
still, it's pretty good! "Gates", much like "Close to the Edge" on Yessongs, seems like something it would be impossible to do live. and despite being 10 minutes longer than the studio version I think "Ritual" absolves itself quite well, though it's pretty fucking endless ain't it?
― frogbs, Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:11 (three years ago) link
"Ritual" is my least favourite side of Tales, the first side is wonderful and each subsequent one a little less so. I don't really want to hear extended bass solos even from Squire, never mind percussion improvisations. I do appreciate that they didn't include any of the pieces they had already done on Yessongs, I'm glad they took pride in their more recent material (and "Time and a Word").
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:24 (three years ago) link
the percussion bit is pretty cool I think, even if only because it's something they'd never really done before. I think the live take injects far more energy. But it's not exactly Close to Close to the Edge
imo sides 1 & 4 of Tales are the best, though my favorite section is the amazing funky riff on side 2. side 3 I never remember a thing about other than it has a lot of Steve Howe licking the strings
― frogbs, Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:36 (three years ago) link
guess what album turned 50 today. i'll give you a hint it has 5 guys standing around a chair and the first song is Yours Is No Disgrace
― frogbs, Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:24 (three years ago) link
Oh nice, getting Yessed out to "Starship Trooper" rn. I'll be putting the LP on when cleaning the apartment tomorrow.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:31 (three years ago) link
I just got my new turntable today I guess this is the first record I'm playing
― frogbs, Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:36 (three years ago) link
Oh Yes. The Yes Album: possibly the most uplifting album I know of. So full of unbridled positive energy. I don't have it on vinyl and this is something I need to remedy ASAP
― J. Sam, Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:48 (three years ago) link
caesars' palace, frogbs' phono
― mookieproof, Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:57 (three years ago) link
shining flying purple bullfrogbs
― mookieproof, Saturday, 20 February 2021 05:00 (three years ago) link
Steve Howe is so good. he plays the guitar the way i would imagine a spider playing a guitar
― frogbs, Saturday, 20 February 2021 05:03 (three years ago) link
Yes!
― J. Sam, Saturday, 20 February 2021 05:09 (three years ago) link
Currently wearing my XXL black Relayer sweatshirt
― J. Sam, Saturday, 20 February 2021 05:10 (three years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, April 28, 2020 11:27 PM (nine months ago)
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 06:12 (three years ago) link
In some ways their most impressive album, in that it's still very much rock music, but a completely fresh and wild take on it
― imago, Saturday, 20 February 2021 09:14 (three years ago) link
hey frogbs how's it sounding? i've been spinning Olias Of Sunhillow and it is great when i'm in the right mood. i keep waiting for it to start.
― Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 20 February 2021 10:01 (three years ago) link
Speaking of which:https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/jon-anderson-olias-of-sunhillow-2-disc-remastered-expanded-edition/
Released March 26, 2021
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― spot fuckify (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 10:11 (three years ago) link
Was it necessary for Yes to replace Kaye with Wakeman in order to achieve the level of commercial and musical success they did with Fragile?
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:25 (three years ago) link
I think Tony Kaye didn't like playing anything other than the Hammond, but by that time synthesizers and Mellotrons etc were all the rage so just sticking to the organ would have seemed a little dated. Plus Wakeman was a much better and more versatile musician.
― my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:31 (three years ago) link
Sure, but I get the impression some comments above are hinting that something was lost between The Yes Album and Fragile, and it's hard to pin that on anything other than Kaye's departure.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:41 (three years ago) link
I don’t think Kaye’s presence made much of a huge musical difference. He was a fine player but I dunno... maybe their minds were expanding, musically, as a unit and someone as —um — expansive as Wakeman fit where they were headed much better than Kaye?
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:47 (three years ago) link
Wakeman brought a neoclassical flair to the band that made Fragile and later works possible, but this also diluted the rock elements that made Yes Album so effective. So I think it was necessary, but meant losing a more focused rock energy.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:53 (three years ago) link
I'm not sure why Fragile is so inferior (imo) but it is. The songs just aren't nearly as strong. They were transitioning away from being a rock group into something else, and they rushed out their transitional album
― imago, Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:55 (three years ago) link
Or what Moodles said
One listen to Kaye's post-Yes band Badger tells you where he was at musically, kind of blues prog. I don't think they'd have made Close to the Edge with him still there. Topographic Oceans neither, but that's another story.
― my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:56 (three years ago) link
The Yes Album and Fragile would both be much better with the shorter songs excised, other than Long Distance Runaround/The Fish.
― my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:57 (three years ago) link
Another way to look at is that Kaye was willing to chug away and let Howe take the lead. With Wakeman, you end up having two lead instrumental voices battling it out for space.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:58 (three years ago) link
Do you mean "Clap" and "A Venture " from the Yes Album? Really disagree there.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:59 (three years ago) link
Xp
Squire was always the lead instrumentalist but yes fine ;)
― imago, Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:59 (three years ago) link
I like Fragile a lot too, though!
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:00 (three years ago) link
The three epic tracks are all amazing, "Long Distance Runaround" is delightful, and the short solo excursions are nice diversions.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link
Squire is much more melodic than your average bass player, but he still mostly plays the traditional bass role with Howe and Wakeman often layering in lead squiggles over the top.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link
I thought the shorter tracks on The Yes Album and Fragile broke the flow, although they're not bad in and of themselves (with the exception of "Cans & Brahms", which is the worst track Yes ever put to tape by a long way and I'm including "Circus of Heaven" in that).
― my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link
This is where it all started going wrong on Topographic Oceans for me, the keys and bass are more like colouring or back-up instruments while Howe and Anderson wank off endlessly on top.
― my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:22 (three years ago) link
was pretty fucking amazing. I've always wanted a copy of Olias, should probably pull the trigger on that some day. judging by my last haul apparently I am in the "get all the 74-76 solo albums" phase now
IMO Fragile is better than TYA but I guess I'll have to confirm this when the sun goes down (4:30 PM)
― frogbs, Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link
I heard the first two albums long after I knew the rest of the catalogue, and I was surprised to find that Time and a Word featured Kaye much more than the Yes Album did. Of course, Peter Banks was a much more retiring guitarist than Howe, so it may be that Kaye stepped up when there was more room to fill, and stepped back as Howe took the reins. I guess it's also worth noting the Kaye only took 1/5 songwriting credit on a single song in his three albums with the band.
One thing that I read awhile ago that might not be apparent from the records or the credits was how much Wakeman had to do with coming up with transitions between musical bits; since he was the only one with a serious musical education, he knew the "proper" way to resolve and combine the parts that the others contributed.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:51 (three years ago) link