why late at night in the u.s. does ilm get all yessed out

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not that there's an answer for this, or anyone would try to take a stab at one, but still

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"yessed out"?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you know, in and around the lake, mountains come out of the sky, and they stand there. I'd like to know.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

We in the USA like to smoke ourselves some dope, trev.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

like look at half these threads right now. I'm not complaining. I'm just curious.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i am a camera

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just recently got dial-up and when I come home drunk but not tired this keeps the mind busy. lick it up.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not actually listening to Yes, just Utopia. Soz.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

What ILM looks light after midnight...

http://yes.iq.pl/images/jade_sea.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.huether-net.de/tickets/yes.jpg

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ian pretty much nailed. We got our smoke on and our drink on, and then we slap on "Yours Is No Disgrace".

Caesar's Palace, morning glory, silly human silly human siillllyy huuuuuuman race....

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it's when us Yes fans are at our most alert.

http://www.doheth.co.uk/profiles/cbg.gif

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

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Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I still don't understand the question. Can you speak Amurrican and explain?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I positively affirm and agree with you, trevor. Now, what was the question again?

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ah crap, the formatting screwed up my lovely ascii art.

I fucking love "Yours Is No Disgrace" so damn much. What a beautiful, beautiful song. Howe's playing on the whole Yes Album just blows me away.

I grew listening to WIOT out of Toledo, Ohio, and when 90120 came out they used to play "Our Song" all the time because it had that line "Toledo is just another stop along the good king's highway". Like, they actually thought it was about Toledo, Ohio!!

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have to go to bed. Guess this is the best place to leave it for now.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I can try, guy upthread. It's late in the great plains. There are many threads with new answers. Many of these new answers seem to involve Yes references. In the daytime this doesn't happen. The question is is this some strange phenomenon? What are its roots? Should something be done about it? Or should it just go on? I think it should. But am I wrong? Why? That is the question.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

grew up listening. damn, why I have been doing that dropping words thing so much lately??

Yes fans jonesing for more YESSOUNDS should totally check out those two latter-day Os Mutantes LPs, by the way. When they got all progged-out. Total Yes homages.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pleasant Plains, one down one to go, another town and one more show.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Or to put it another way. Say I'm a veteran ILMer. "I think I'm appalled by these shenanigans. Yes. . . . No!" Is this an ILM death knell? That would be an interesting meta-discussion that will not occur.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh. See, I haven't EVER listened to a Yes song before (exception proving rule would be "Owner of a Lonely Heart" which I rather like) so all that's been going right over my head.

I thought "yessed out" was some sort of cockney slang for "sucking it's own dick" or somethin'.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

a few days ago, i felt like that dude in the "owner of a lonely heart" video when he was on the rooftop surrounded by the oh-so menacing members of yes (circa '84, so no rick wakeman [the ONLY vaguely scary member of yes EVAH]).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Forksclove, you should ditch the indie rock and pick up The Yes Album and Fragile toot sweet. Two of the finest albums on God's green, sticky, hydroponic earth.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ME OTM, though that's not where the goodness stops by any means.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Jon Anderson could potentially be scary in an evil elf-leprechaun sort of way.

Your mention of the "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" video reminded me there was one version that had a guy with maggots crawling around on top of his closed eyelids. Did "Fear Factor" rip off this idea? I think MTV stopped showing that version.

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

speaking of the raincoats cds (er, on another thread tonight), those os mutantes reissues on omplattern are now OOP and worth $$$$. i actually parted with mine at some point, for reasons i don't quite understand.

i love yes. sometimes i'll be walking around and suddenly a bass line from some yes song will pop into my head and i'll be all excited.

would that ilm actually were a bit more yessed out.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hm. Well I'll certainly give it a run. Anybody who wants to mail a representative single or two is welcome to.

One of my (many) large gaps of musical knowledge is rock of any variety from 1970-1985 or so.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's all about "Tempus Fugit" for me, man.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The really technical part of "Heart of the Sunrise" is killer.

Wobbly, if you're out there, tell your Jon Anderson at NAMM story . . .

best

Drew

Drew Daniel, Friday, 27 August 2004 05:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

actually I'm all tulled out tonight.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


Was this NAMM in Anaheim in like 96? At one of those shows I heard rumors that Jon Anderson was there and I was pissed that I never saw him. But for all I know he goes to all of them...

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Okay I guess he's not so here's his story of spotting Jon Anderson at NAMM

at a booth that sells vocoder software there is a man earnestly saying in a silvery, elven speaking voice reminiscent of Glinda the Good Witch "no, no, NO, you don't understand. I want to make my computer-" and here he erupts into a shivery high melodious flutter "s-i-i-iing!" and it's HIM and he's singing the word "sing" in THAT Yes voice.

Drew Daniel, Friday, 27 August 2004 05:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh my god, Drew -- that story is amazing! I think I would die on the spot. Such a voice.

What is NAMM, anyway?

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The biggest US musical instrument trade fair.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 27 August 2004 07:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Isn't is just late at night in the US the Brits arrive, and drive the whole thing stupid?

___ (___), Friday, 27 August 2004 07:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
REVIVE!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 02:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

thanks Eisbar, I loved this thread.

I just watched some of that DVD "The Future Is Wild", the cheezy computer animated forecast of what freakish species will dominate this planet in 200 million years. It was very Yessed out too, CGI supercontinent-formation footage and giant global oceans (topographic tales of .. .)

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

um, i was just listening to the following yessed out record:

http://stat.discogs.com/R/262506-1103102672.jpg

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

does it also SOUND like yes, jbr?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

does not matter!

Olias of Sunhillow Critical Edition, with commentary track guest starring the 'scientists' from The Future Is Wild

sharkopath (Jon L), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

does it also SOUND like yes, jbr?

maybe a little like the trevor horn yes (or maybe i just wish it sounded more like trevor horn yes).

it's basically arp-heavy metronomic 1978 eurosynth cheese.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This should have said "North America" to include sundar.

LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i think i still have yet to consciously hear a yes song

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

not purposefully or anything, i mean, i'd like to hear a yessong i guess

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Is there anyone besides me who can't hear the pastoral-rainforest sounding intro (and outro) to "Close To The Edge" without mentally visualizing Roger Dean's impossible landscapes? And vice-versa?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 17:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ahh, side A of 'close to the edge' has really been doing it for me lately. i love all those drum fills that go right through the first ONE beat and splash back in somewhere in the middle of the bar. anothe reason of why i like it so much is because it kind of reminds of this local band here called form of rocket that does similar type things (fast, frenetic parts / churning, odd time signatures / that drum fill thing)

6335, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Is there anyone besides me who can't hear the pastoral-rainforest sounding intro (and outro) to "Close To The Edge" without mentally visualizing Roger Dean's impossible landscapes? And vice-versa?

I always see a Dean landscape, or some Art Nouveau P. Craig Russell planet landscape whenever I listen to Yes. Except for Yes mach-90125 and onward.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 21:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Awaken" is the best song on GFTO

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 17 November 2017 03:11 (five months ago) Permalink

awaken is the best song ever written

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 17 November 2017 18:29 (five months ago) Permalink

I had a few beers last night and jammed 3 Starcastle albums, it was awesome

frogbs, Friday, 17 November 2017 18:59 (five months ago) Permalink

Which would you recommend ? Never heard ‘em

calstars, Friday, 17 November 2017 19:42 (five months ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/veCCsO3.jpg

calstars, Friday, 24 November 2017 02:47 (five months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EofNvr-xuwE

Original lineup v underrated, Peter Banks!

salthigh, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 08:33 (four months ago) Permalink

as armoured movers took approach to overlook the sea

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 1 December 2017 01:02 (four months ago) Permalink

as song and chance develop time, lost social temperance rules above

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 1 December 2017 01:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Which would you recommend ? Never heard ‘em

I'd say go for the first one, the first side of which is some of the best music Yes never put out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoLcQ4LIRyU

Second album Fountains of Light is probably slightly better overall though

On Citadel they'd gone into more of a Kansas/Styx type direction, I still love it though

Haven't heard anything after that

frogbs, Monday, 4 December 2017 21:21 (four months ago) Permalink

Anyway I'm playing the new Yes live album now - it's not all bad, Sherwood fills in quite nicely for Squire, Davison sounds alright, the version of "Ritual" is good and it's kind of neat to hear all of Drama on a live album

but man, it's depressing to hear them so out of sync at spots, especially when the quick tunes like "Tempus Fugit", "Heart of the Sunrise", and "Roundabout" are only played at 75% speed. IDK maybe they come off better in person.

frogbs, Monday, 4 December 2017 21:26 (four months ago) Permalink

nice to have a discrete "leaves of green" on an *official* release

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 4 December 2017 22:06 (four months ago) Permalink

ahaha so apparently they're re-releasing Fly From Here with Trevor Horn on vocals, effectively erasing Benoit David's brief tenure with the band

frogbs, Monday, 11 December 2017 14:53 (four months ago) Permalink

never fear there's always like the four live albums they released from tours with him

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 11 December 2017 15:47 (four months ago) Permalink

a clearer future -- morning, evening -- nights with you

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:44 (four months ago) Permalink

ooo-ooou!

calstars, Sunday, 17 December 2017 00:33 (four months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Listening to live at Wembley show,1978, from a BBC broadcast. Jaw droppingly awesooooome. Prob some of my fave live versions of their stuff here. Even the "Tormato" tunes were on fire.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 11 January 2018 00:12 (three months ago) Permalink

yousendit?

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Thursday, 11 January 2018 00:34 (three months ago) Permalink

Last thing at the bottom of thispage will get you Yessed Out.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 11 January 2018 01:14 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

woooowww my mind is being blown by the "give peace a chance" quote in "i've seen all good people" that i never noticed before !!!

y'all wanna do this er wut

budo jeru, Friday, 16 February 2018 01:09 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

The apple doesn't fall far. My son spent the evening geeking out on our vinyl copies of Fragile and Close to the Edge with his buddy.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 7 April 2018 04:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I dove back into "Tormato" because I'm fascinated by the ways established prog/prog-leaning bands reacted to punk. "Release, Release" is my favorite of such response songs, after Queen's "Sheer Heart Attack". I also love the raw sound of "On The Silent Wings Of Freedom" - it's like a rehearsal that accidentally made it to final mastering. (Hell, you can almost smell the cigarette burns on the shag carpet in the wood-paneled basement beneath the "Ummagumma" poster with the thumbtack missing from the upper-left corner). And there's the whole "Was Rick Wakeman openly trying to sabotage the album?" solos that echo Viv Savage from "This Is Spinal Tap" (near the end of the track, Rick just goes up and down the first 5 notes of the Lydian mode for like 6 measures). Damn, I love that song!

When my Spotify shuffle setting played "Onward" after James Blake's "Unluck" and "Wilhelm's Scream", it finally hit me that Yes might have accidentally invented Dubstep (or, at least, the chill side of it). The sub-70bpm tempo, the underlying subtle-yet-propulsive keyboard rhythm that appears and disappears, the soaring chorus - all that's missing is a massive bass drop before "...OF MYYYY LIIIIFE!"

Prefecture, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(Apologies for going Full Ronald Thomas Clontle if I swapped Yes for Madness and Dubstep for Ska)

Prefecture, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

good post brah
Are any of the b-sides notable?

calstars, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm not aware of the B-sides (my copy of "Parallels" has "Wonderous Stories" on the blue vinyl), but there are bonus tracks on the remastered edition of the LP. They're all really folky - hell, "You Can Be Saved" might be the best song Band of Horses never recorded.

Prefecture, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I picked up used vinyl copies of The Yes Album and Relayer today.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 8 April 2018 04:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

why late at night in the u.s. does ilm get all yessed out

not that there's an answer for this, or anyone would try to take a stab at one, but still
― trevor horn, Friday, August 27, 2004 12:24 AM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"yessed out"?
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, August 27, 2004 12:25 AM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think about this thread title and these two posts very often

flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 05:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's like a joke between me and me

flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 05:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

why has nobody made a pair of socks with the Yes logo on them? I would happily sport a pair of Yessocks.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 8 April 2018 06:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i love that uncut did an ultimate music guide, and i get that they were boring to interview, but holy shit do they underrate major jams ~

"survival" -- 3 out of 5 stars?

"then" -- 3 out of 5 stars?

"astral traveller" -- 3 out of 5 stars?

"starship trooper" -- 3 out of 5 stars?

"siberian khatru" -- 3 out of 5 stars?

"the gates of delirium" -- 3 out of 5 stars?

"to be over" -- 3 out of 5 stars?

"wonderous stories" -- 3 out of 5 stars?

"tempus fugit" -- 2 out of 5 stars? 2 out of 5 stars??

go choke on velvet underground vinyl uncut MAGA. and to think that rick wakeman tickled the ivories on "life of mars?" and "get it on (bang a gong)" and was pretty much a member of black sabbath, bruford drummed for king fucking crimson, and the god damned buggles. imagine living your life graded on the curve yes is by rock critics

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 April 2018 22:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's an outrage, is what it is

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 April 2018 22:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

case in point

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 April 2018 23:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

critical update:

the game Knights of the Crystallion was inspired by the cover of Relayer.

Ages ago, a colossal sea monster called an Orodrid died in a canyon passage. Millions of years later, after the valley was eroded, a nomadic people found its hulking skeleton, “incomprehensible” in size, and declared it their new home. “Orodrid, the city of bones” became more than a shelter. It was the new center of their world, their source of spiritual energy.

In Knights of the Crystallion, you live within this society. That’s the game. It combines a group of confusing, seemingly random activities – like a Nine Men’s Morris-style board game and an action sequence set in twisting cave – to depict the many sides of the communal, religious life of the Orodrim.

https://obscuritory.com/other/knights-of-the-crystallion/

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 April 2018 16:34 (one week ago) Permalink

oh hshit

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 16 April 2018 16:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Hey Reggie how much didja have to pay for that Uncut UMG? Amazon has it for $30 US which is, like, outrageous for a magazine. Trying to pay less than $15 for it.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 16 April 2018 17:16 (one week ago) Permalink

$40. i'm a sucker for these guys; it felt like a huge bargain given how many other magazines i've bought over the years, and how little attention any pay to YES. unfortunately it's nowhere near the quality of other UMGs though -- pink floyd, bowie, zeppelin, etc -- so i would for sure say stick to cover price or thereabouts

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 16 April 2018 17:23 (one week ago) Permalink

the Genesis one is siqq!

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 16 April 2018 17:27 (one week ago) Permalink

feel like "astral traveler" is what the doors were always trying to pull off

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:32 (one week ago) Permalink

the only one i know is 4/20 is best when it's on a friday, everyone who's been in love before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rggxNnZQMQ4

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 20 April 2018 15:35 (six days ago) Permalink

in the wake of the Fragile poll I'm listening to the B-side tracks of CTTE and Relayer

turns out once again And You And I is one of the most monumental things ever recorded, when Apocalypse kicks in it is more than heaven

and now Sound Chaser, sweet lord

I can't help but throw comparative shade at Fragile but really I'd like to celebrate these songs

imago, Friday, 20 April 2018 19:05 (six days ago) Permalink

I just wish the actual verse of Sound Chaser was repeated a bit more, it's the best bit of the song

imago, Friday, 20 April 2018 19:10 (six days ago) Permalink

you wanna hear something nuts, check out this dude playing Sound Chaser on solo piano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqR0AP7A_l4

this is like those dudes who get perfect scores on the really difficult Guitar Hero songs

frogbs, Friday, 20 April 2018 19:13 (six days ago) Permalink

Thanks for the reply upthread , Reggie. Yeah it's a shame these things are nearly impossible to get in a cheap pdf version! Once in a while one pops up on a t0rr3nt but very rarely. I love their Zep and Pink Floyd ones.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 21 April 2018 00:01 (five days ago) Permalink

Despite being oddly compiled (what with Relayer/GFTO/Tormato songs and different eras all jammed in) and not really a patch on the immortal Yessongs, I have a bit of a soft spot for Yesshows. It was my introduction to a bunch of those records (certainly Topographic Oceans, which I never owned) and Moraz, whose interplay with Howe blew me away. And the performances are uniformly quite good. For a dogs breakfast, it’s pretty likable.

Small moment: when they take like three minutes to introduce the band and crew, Jon gets momentarily lost in the groovy windup to “Ritual” and sings “Don’t put that funk in my face.”

It reminds me that for all their maximalist indulgence, long history and lineup permutations, there are still times when I actually think this band never reached its potential.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 21 April 2018 20:09 (five days ago) Permalink

i just realized this thread is about the band Yes

flappy bird, Saturday, 21 April 2018 20:13 (five days ago) Permalink

Somebody buy flappy a beer

calstars, Saturday, 21 April 2018 20:17 (five days ago) Permalink

I suspect there is some yesshame in preferring “soon” to TGoD but hey whatever

calstars, Monday, 23 April 2018 02:06 (three days ago) Permalink

The HBO show "Divorce" featuring Thomas Haden Church and Sarah Jessica Parker, is all Yessed out. A recent episode involved the daughter expressing frustration with the music at a roller rink, leading to her dad (Paul Giamatti's merlot-drinking buddy in "Sideways") arranging for "The Gates of Delirium" to be blasted from the rink's PA. there are other great Yes references, too.
http://www.yesfans.com/showthread.php?85143-Yes-featured-on-HBO-s-Divorce

Prefecture, Monday, 23 April 2018 02:34 (three days ago) Permalink

folks

I am enjoying 90125

imago, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:41 (three days ago) Permalink

leading to her dad (Paul Giamatti's merlot-drinking buddy in "Sideways")

that's the dude from Wings show some respect

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2018 17:00 (three days ago) Permalink

this is the first time I wanted to watch that show

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2018 17:00 (three days ago) Permalink


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