why late at night in the u.s. does ilm get all yessed out

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not that there's an answer for this, or anyone would try to take a stab at one, but still

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"yessed out"?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

you know, in and around the lake, mountains come out of the sky, and they stand there. I'd like to know.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

We in the USA like to smoke ourselves some dope, trev.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

like look at half these threads right now. I'm not complaining. I'm just curious.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i am a camera

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I just recently got dial-up and when I come home drunk but not tired this keeps the mind busy. lick it up.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not actually listening to Yes, just Utopia. Soz.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

What ILM looks light after midnight...

http://yes.iq.pl/images/jade_sea.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.huether-net.de/tickets/yes.jpg

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Ian pretty much nailed. We got our smoke on and our drink on, and then we slap on "Yours Is No Disgrace".

Caesar's Palace, morning glory, silly human silly human siillllyy huuuuuuman race....

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

it's when us Yes fans are at our most alert.

http://www.doheth.co.uk/profiles/cbg.gif

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

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Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I still don't understand the question. Can you speak Amurrican and explain?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I positively affirm and agree with you, trevor. Now, what was the question again?

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah crap, the formatting screwed up my lovely ascii art.

I fucking love "Yours Is No Disgrace" so damn much. What a beautiful, beautiful song. Howe's playing on the whole Yes Album just blows me away.

I grew listening to WIOT out of Toledo, Ohio, and when 90120 came out they used to play "Our Song" all the time because it had that line "Toledo is just another stop along the good king's highway". Like, they actually thought it was about Toledo, Ohio!!

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to go to bed. Guess this is the best place to leave it for now.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I can try, guy upthread. It's late in the great plains. There are many threads with new answers. Many of these new answers seem to involve Yes references. In the daytime this doesn't happen. The question is is this some strange phenomenon? What are its roots? Should something be done about it? Or should it just go on? I think it should. But am I wrong? Why? That is the question.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link

grew up listening. damn, why I have been doing that dropping words thing so much lately??

Yes fans jonesing for more YESSOUNDS should totally check out those two latter-day Os Mutantes LPs, by the way. When they got all progged-out. Total Yes homages.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Pleasant Plains, one down one to go, another town and one more show.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Or to put it another way. Say I'm a veteran ILMer. "I think I'm appalled by these shenanigans. Yes. . . . No!" Is this an ILM death knell? That would be an interesting meta-discussion that will not occur.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh. See, I haven't EVER listened to a Yes song before (exception proving rule would be "Owner of a Lonely Heart" which I rather like) so all that's been going right over my head.

I thought "yessed out" was some sort of cockney slang for "sucking it's own dick" or somethin'.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

a few days ago, i felt like that dude in the "owner of a lonely heart" video when he was on the rooftop surrounded by the oh-so menacing members of yes (circa '84, so no rick wakeman [the ONLY vaguely scary member of yes EVAH]).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Forksclove, you should ditch the indie rock and pick up The Yes Album and Fragile toot sweet. Two of the finest albums on God's green, sticky, hydroponic earth.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

ME OTM, though that's not where the goodness stops by any means.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Jon Anderson could potentially be scary in an evil elf-leprechaun sort of way.

Your mention of the "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" video reminded me there was one version that had a guy with maggots crawling around on top of his closed eyelids. Did "Fear Factor" rip off this idea? I think MTV stopped showing that version.

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:53 (nineteen years ago) link

speaking of the raincoats cds (er, on another thread tonight), those os mutantes reissues on omplattern are now OOP and worth $$$$. i actually parted with mine at some point, for reasons i don't quite understand.

i love yes. sometimes i'll be walking around and suddenly a bass line from some yes song will pop into my head and i'll be all excited.

would that ilm actually were a bit more yessed out.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Hm. Well I'll certainly give it a run. Anybody who wants to mail a representative single or two is welcome to.

One of my (many) large gaps of musical knowledge is rock of any variety from 1970-1985 or so.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:58 (nineteen years ago) link

It's all about "Tempus Fugit" for me, man.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

The really technical part of "Heart of the Sunrise" is killer.

Wobbly, if you're out there, tell your Jon Anderson at NAMM story . . .

best

Drew

Drew Daniel, Friday, 27 August 2004 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link

actually I'm all tulled out tonight.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link


Was this NAMM in Anaheim in like 96? At one of those shows I heard rumors that Jon Anderson was there and I was pissed that I never saw him. But for all I know he goes to all of them...

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay I guess he's not so here's his story of spotting Jon Anderson at NAMM

at a booth that sells vocoder software there is a man earnestly saying in a silvery, elven speaking voice reminiscent of Glinda the Good Witch "no, no, NO, you don't understand. I want to make my computer-" and here he erupts into a shivery high melodious flutter "s-i-i-iing!" and it's HIM and he's singing the word "sing" in THAT Yes voice.

Drew Daniel, Friday, 27 August 2004 05:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh my god, Drew -- that story is amazing! I think I would die on the spot. Such a voice.

What is NAMM, anyway?

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The biggest US musical instrument trade fair.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 27 August 2004 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't is just late at night in the US the Brits arrive, and drive the whole thing stupid?

___ (___), Friday, 27 August 2004 07:25 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
REVIVE!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks Eisbar, I loved this thread.

I just watched some of that DVD "The Future Is Wild", the cheezy computer animated forecast of what freakish species will dominate this planet in 200 million years. It was very Yessed out too, CGI supercontinent-formation footage and giant global oceans (topographic tales of .. .)

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

um, i was just listening to the following yessed out record:

http://stat.discogs.com/R/262506-1103102672.jpg

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:37 (nineteen years ago) link

does it also SOUND like yes, jbr?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

does not matter!

Olias of Sunhillow Critical Edition, with commentary track guest starring the 'scientists' from The Future Is Wild

sharkopath (Jon L), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link

does it also SOUND like yes, jbr?

maybe a little like the trevor horn yes (or maybe i just wish it sounded more like trevor horn yes).

it's basically arp-heavy metronomic 1978 eurosynth cheese.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

This should have said "North America" to include sundar.

LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i still have yet to consciously hear a yes song

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

not purposefully or anything, i mean, i'd like to hear a yessong i guess

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Is there anyone besides me who can't hear the pastoral-rainforest sounding intro (and outro) to "Close To The Edge" without mentally visualizing Roger Dean's impossible landscapes? And vice-versa?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

ahh, side A of 'close to the edge' has really been doing it for me lately. i love all those drum fills that go right through the first ONE beat and splash back in somewhere in the middle of the bar. anothe reason of why i like it so much is because it kind of reminds of this local band here called form of rocket that does similar type things (fast, frenetic parts / churning, odd time signatures / that drum fill thing)

6335, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Is there anyone besides me who can't hear the pastoral-rainforest sounding intro (and outro) to "Close To The Edge" without mentally visualizing Roger Dean's impossible landscapes? And vice-versa?

I always see a Dean landscape, or some Art Nouveau P. Craig Russell planet landscape whenever I listen to Yes. Except for Yes mach-90125 and onward.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Wakeman is all-time you philistines however most of his solo stuff is dreck. I do love Henry VIII and enjoy Criminal Record but his choice in singers is awful. That Ashley-whatever guy bellowing on those early joints...jeezuz.

I like Moraz and Bruford's "Flags" from '85 or something but someone needed to keep Pat away from the pitch bend controller during the Yes days.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:32 (one month ago) link

xpost to Slim - there's one guy on that podcast who has cloth ears. I think he's Canadian? Says some really dopey stuff.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:34 (one month ago) link

Not that being Canadian has anything to do with his listening skills.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:35 (one month ago) link

Didnwe ever discuss Progeny on here? Can’t remember. Cuz am listening straight through as of a half hour ago and it’s supreeeeme yessing out material.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:01 (one month ago) link

I love it. Yes as kick-ass rock band. The relative rawness of the recordings — there are sound dropouts, a few flubs here and there — makes the performances all the more impressive.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:08 (one month ago) link

wait, pat smear is listed "project assistance"!

did he tape one of the shows as a child?

mark s, Friday, 19 April 2024 19:29 (one month ago) link

listed in wikipedia i mean, i know he's a steve howe fan but he was like 12 when this was recorded

mark s, Friday, 19 April 2024 19:30 (one month ago) link

Since so many vids on the thread are no longer available here's one of my selfish faves. It was the only YES show I ever attended and is still one of theeee greates shows I've ever experienced. Well worth sitting through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez07S8hoE3g

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:32 (one month ago) link

oops sorry looks like it can't be posted here. Search "Yes new york city 2004"

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:33 (one month ago) link

Youtube, that is.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:37 (one month ago) link

Clicking on the Watch on yt link gets me there.

nickn, Friday, 19 April 2024 19:44 (one month ago) link

unperson OTM

progeny is yessongs raw and exponentiated. i wish YES got more love not least since maybe there'd be a never-ending grateful dead-esque dick's picks bootleg bonanza. they may not have improv-ed "dark star"-style but i could listen to dozens of "starship trooper"s when they were square in their prime

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:31 (one month ago) link

starship pooper

calstars, Friday, 19 April 2024 20:34 (one month ago) link

party trooper

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:38 (one month ago) link

i saw one of the progeny shows! my second concert ever -- nassau coliseum '72. my dad drove us. i think lindisfarne opened but i have no recollection of them whatsoever. yes were cool as hell.

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:03 (one month ago) link

That Nassau show is amazing — the longest version of "Yours is No Disgrace" on the whole box.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 19 April 2024 22:20 (one month ago) link

At the risk of sounding like the guy who loves everything...

The hate for Tormato completely baffles me, I think it's a really fun album and I have great memories of it, I actually have more overall fondness for it than some of their albums with better highlight tracks.

Wakeman: I really like or love Six Wives, Journey To The Centre, King Arthur, No Earthly Connection, White Rock, Liztomania. That's as far as I've got and I'm ready for much more. I think he he odd choices in singers who fit a bit awkwardly but I still mostly enjoy them. There's bits on King Arthur which really blown me away and I'd love to hear anyone else who got similar effects (the super fast bits and the swirly bits) because I've never heard the like. If I had to recommend one I'd say No Earthly Connection.

Patrick Moraz's debut album is so much better than the funny curiosity I had heard it was, it's really incredible and eclectic. Really looking forward to hearing more of his solo albums, I'm so happy Cherry Red/Esoteric has several albums of his remastered. Hope to buy them all soon.

I feel like there's so many of the Yes solo albums which are second only to the very best Yes albums. I wish more people would check out Animation by Jon Anderson.

...and I hope you all remember I'm rarely this enthusiastic about many things, I really love all this music and it's completely deserving.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:42 (one month ago) link

https://www.cherryred.co.uk/patrick-moraz-amp-syrinx-coexistence-remastered-cd-edition

nice to see the tradition on men's asses on prog covers was continued

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:55 (one month ago) link

holy shit how have I never heard of that, huge John Mills-Cockell fan here

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 19 April 2024 23:58 (one month ago) link

RAG I think you'll enjoy "Criminal Record".

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 20 April 2024 09:58 (one month ago) link

And Gong, though nothing was ever released officially (there might be live boots).

― nickn

there are boots... he also played for national health! the thing is he did have a very distinctive style, i kinda understand why fripp came and and was like "ok you can be in the band again but NO CYMBALS got it?"

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 April 2024 14:53 (one month ago) link

When I ask myself,
“how much yes is too much yes?”
I see that boxed set and think
“that’s too much yes.”

calstars, Saturday, 20 April 2024 18:46 (one month ago) link

When it first came out I remember joking that since they'd already done Yessongs and Yesshows, this one should just be called Yessss.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 20 April 2024 18:50 (one month ago) link

haha

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 20 April 2024 19:19 (one month ago) link

The hate for Tormato completely baffles me

it sounds like it was mastered on a coffee filter

I think the problems with it (aside from jon anderson's kid yammering about circuses) are almost all sonic and not related to the quality of the songs themselves. there was some mess up regarding dolby and I think that really impacted it. apparently the multis are missing so without some kind of 'get back' attempt at demixing it that's not going to ever be fixed (and no one is going to put that money forward for this album) unless they show up

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 20 April 2024 23:30 (one month ago) link

never knew that! thx

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 20 April 2024 23:50 (one month ago) link

I have sometimes wondered why I think GFTO and Yesshows both rule but I never clicked with Tormato, this may explain it

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 20 April 2024 23:51 (one month ago) link

and I can also understand why someone loves it b/c of the weird sound

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 20 April 2024 23:52 (one month ago) link

"records that are accidentally sui generis, for better or worse" RFD

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 20 April 2024 23:53 (one month ago) link

Haven’t heard this tomato version that is lately spoken of

calstars, Sunday, 21 April 2024 00:03 (one month ago) link

And I probably won’t, there’s been too much “yes” irl recently

calstars, Sunday, 21 April 2024 00:18 (one month ago) link

I've only ever had the remaster and I never really noticed a problem with its sound.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 21 April 2024 00:46 (one month ago) link

When I ask myself,
“how much yes is too much yes?”
I see that boxed set and think
“that’s too much yes.”

But if you love YES this boxset is not nearly enough. Seriously, though, it's a great listen.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 21 April 2024 13:05 (one month ago) link

goldilocks option: thus entire box set except cut out all the wakeman solo spots = JUST RIGHT

mark s, Sunday, 21 April 2024 13:09 (one month ago) link

the dolby issue: according to brian kehew (an actual genius) eddie offord recorded the original tormato sessions in dolby-A, they fired him and overdubbed the rest not in dolby-A cuz they are dumb. when brian went the tapes later on he knew eddie liked to record in dolby A and went to playback the tapes and they sounded WAY BETTER except for the over dubs which still sounded like shit. so there's no saving the sessions.

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 22 April 2024 16:53 (one month ago) link

huh, maybe that explains it, I always thought Tormato sounded weird but could never articulate why. I knew Wakeman's Birotron had something to do with it (is this the only album that actually uses it?) but like what I got a vinyl copy and played it on a good system I remember thinking I needed a new stylus because something was just off about it. it's got such a narrow soundstage, everything is kind of in a line...when Wakeman is playing you can't really hear anything else, ditto for a lot of Anderson's vocals, while Howe and White just kinda languish in the background surrounded by pillows. I can't really remember a single Howe guitar line on the album, outside of the more straightforward rock n' roll ones.

but also the songs aren't quite as good as they were, I mean yeah it's kinda interesting to hear them try disco and power pop but it's not really their strong suit, also they don't really have any of the cool jam sections that Yes excelled at. they come close sometimes but you can tell "no epics" was sort of their M.O. here. it does have some tracks I like though - the opening and closing track are both great, and I'll defend "Arriving UFO" just on the grounds that its really odd, I just wish they had the courage to get even weirder with it

frogbs, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:28 (one month ago) link

there's a demo of the Birotron here, if you're interested. apparently Wakeman financed the development of it and there were only ever 2 working units.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URR7l-uI6JA

I recommend reading the description, its pretty insane:

Life is short. The Birotron is in danger of disappearing and both positive vibes and hard work are now required to save it. 'Trolls' harassing anyone, 'internet beggars' demanding free sounds, 'sound poachers/criminals' sampling this video to exploit it, and pushers of any political agendas will be:
a) Permanently banned from this page / other related Birotron pages.
b) Permanently blacklisted from buying, owning or using these sounds if and when they become available commercially.
c) Prosecuted for any crimes or offenses committed in relation to the above. (This page is being monitored by a Private Investigation Agency 24/7)
Protecting this instrument, and all of you visiting here deeply matters to us, especially when this is your only source for it.

I think it's cool people are trying to 'restore' the sound of the thing, but it kinda sounds shitty doesn't it? my understanding with the mellotron is the machine itself is pretty faulty and doesn't really reproduce the sound of the tapes well but it distorts it in a way that gives it this ethereal and mystical quality. that's a pretty tricky thing to reproduce. the Birotron just sounds cheap to me.

frogbs, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:42 (one month ago) link

leon theremin meet robert moog meet dave biro (actual name)

mark s, Monday, 22 April 2024 19:04 (one month ago) link

The version of "Days" on Tormato bonus tracks is really lovely, I prefer it to the version that ended up on Song Of Seven, it's just vocals and works really well

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 22 April 2024 19:15 (one month ago) link

I could not take it oh so seriously really
When you called and said you'd seen a UFO

- noted skeptic and debunker Jon Anderson

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 22 April 2024 19:20 (one month ago) link

Along with several other Ilxors, I was born during the brief period known as the Gerald Ford era, meaning that nearly all of my memories of that decade are of the "Long '70s" variety that ran through '83 (wood-panel basements and weird swirly lights as room decor, leaded gas, classic rock's last stand on MTV before the Prince/Lauper/MJ era, malls with massive plants near the Miller's Outpost, you get the idea). Tormato, especially "On The Silent Wings of Freedom" (which might be the most 'Yes' song title ever), makes me 'remember' the late-70s, as if they are teleporting me to an era where I get to experience borrowed nostalgia, whether I actually experienced it or not.

Front-loaded albums are musical gerrymandering (Prefecture), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 00:32 (one month ago) link

Joni Mitchell played the Birotron on one of her best late songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOfJ7S9f2LM

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 00:35 (one month ago) link

That's a misnomer - the actual credit on Night Ride Home is "Billatron", which is a keyboard sample of the guitarist Bill Dillon.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 01:00 (one month ago) link

The bonus tracks on Tormato show that they still had a lot of ideas, but no-one was capitulating to fit those ideas together. Anderson wants to get soft, Howe wants to get hard, Bootsy Squire's Mutron pedal whose sound doesn't fit in with what anyone else is doing, and Wakeman's assortment of shrill keyboards covering everything like a tinsel explosion. I like most of the record in spite of its flaws.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 01:07 (one month ago) link

Waksman’s baroque solo on the Birotron on Don’t Kill the Whale rules so hard.

timellison, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:48 (four weeks ago) link

three weeks pass...

lmao what is this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9FZncV3JKQ

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 14:04 (one week ago) link

oh my god, cover art of the year

https://talkshop.live/product/ns2KJur9I7WN/jon-anderson-true-cd-autographed

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 14:16 (one week ago) link

Go Jon

calstars, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 14:31 (one week ago) link


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