why late at night in the u.s. does ilm get all yessed out

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not that there's an answer for this, or anyone would try to take a stab at one, but still

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link

"yessed out"?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:25 (sixteen years ago) link

you know, in and around the lake, mountains come out of the sky, and they stand there. I'd like to know.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link

We in the USA like to smoke ourselves some dope, trev.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link

like look at half these threads right now. I'm not complaining. I'm just curious.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link

i am a camera

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I just recently got dial-up and when I come home drunk but not tired this keeps the mind busy. lick it up.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm not actually listening to Yes, just Utopia. Soz.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:28 (sixteen years ago) link

What ILM looks light after midnight...

http://yes.iq.pl/images/jade_sea.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:30 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.huether-net.de/tickets/yes.jpg

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Ian pretty much nailed. We got our smoke on and our drink on, and then we slap on "Yours Is No Disgrace".

Caesar's Palace, morning glory, silly human silly human siillllyy huuuuuuman race....

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:32 (sixteen years ago) link

it's when us Yes fans are at our most alert.

http://www.doheth.co.uk/profiles/cbg.gif

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:33 (sixteen years ago) link

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Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:39 (sixteen years ago) link

I still don't understand the question. Can you speak Amurrican and explain?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:41 (sixteen years ago) link

I positively affirm and agree with you, trevor. Now, what was the question again?

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah crap, the formatting screwed up my lovely ascii art.

I fucking love "Yours Is No Disgrace" so damn much. What a beautiful, beautiful song. Howe's playing on the whole Yes Album just blows me away.

I grew listening to WIOT out of Toledo, Ohio, and when 90120 came out they used to play "Our Song" all the time because it had that line "Toledo is just another stop along the good king's highway". Like, they actually thought it was about Toledo, Ohio!!

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I have to go to bed. Guess this is the best place to leave it for now.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:43 (sixteen years ago) link

I can try, guy upthread. It's late in the great plains. There are many threads with new answers. Many of these new answers seem to involve Yes references. In the daytime this doesn't happen. The question is is this some strange phenomenon? What are its roots? Should something be done about it? Or should it just go on? I think it should. But am I wrong? Why? That is the question.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:43 (sixteen years ago) link

grew up listening. damn, why I have been doing that dropping words thing so much lately??

Yes fans jonesing for more YESSOUNDS should totally check out those two latter-day Os Mutantes LPs, by the way. When they got all progged-out. Total Yes homages.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Pleasant Plains, one down one to go, another town and one more show.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Or to put it another way. Say I'm a veteran ILMer. "I think I'm appalled by these shenanigans. Yes. . . . No!" Is this an ILM death knell? That would be an interesting meta-discussion that will not occur.

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh. See, I haven't EVER listened to a Yes song before (exception proving rule would be "Owner of a Lonely Heart" which I rather like) so all that's been going right over my head.

I thought "yessed out" was some sort of cockney slang for "sucking it's own dick" or somethin'.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link

a few days ago, i felt like that dude in the "owner of a lonely heart" video when he was on the rooftop surrounded by the oh-so menacing members of yes (circa '84, so no rick wakeman [the ONLY vaguely scary member of yes EVAH]).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Forksclove, you should ditch the indie rock and pick up The Yes Album and Fragile toot sweet. Two of the finest albums on God's green, sticky, hydroponic earth.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:50 (sixteen years ago) link

ME OTM, though that's not where the goodness stops by any means.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Jon Anderson could potentially be scary in an evil elf-leprechaun sort of way.

Your mention of the "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" video reminded me there was one version that had a guy with maggots crawling around on top of his closed eyelids. Did "Fear Factor" rip off this idea? I think MTV stopped showing that version.

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:53 (sixteen years ago) link

speaking of the raincoats cds (er, on another thread tonight), those os mutantes reissues on omplattern are now OOP and worth $$$$. i actually parted with mine at some point, for reasons i don't quite understand.

i love yes. sometimes i'll be walking around and suddenly a bass line from some yes song will pop into my head and i'll be all excited.

would that ilm actually were a bit more yessed out.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Hm. Well I'll certainly give it a run. Anybody who wants to mail a representative single or two is welcome to.

One of my (many) large gaps of musical knowledge is rock of any variety from 1970-1985 or so.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:58 (sixteen years ago) link

It's all about "Tempus Fugit" for me, man.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:59 (sixteen years ago) link

The really technical part of "Heart of the Sunrise" is killer.

Wobbly, if you're out there, tell your Jon Anderson at NAMM story . . .

best

Drew

Drew Daniel, Friday, 27 August 2004 05:04 (sixteen years ago) link

actually I'm all tulled out tonight.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:07 (sixteen years ago) link


Was this NAMM in Anaheim in like 96? At one of those shows I heard rumors that Jon Anderson was there and I was pissed that I never saw him. But for all I know he goes to all of them...

wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Okay I guess he's not so here's his story of spotting Jon Anderson at NAMM

at a booth that sells vocoder software there is a man earnestly saying in a silvery, elven speaking voice reminiscent of Glinda the Good Witch "no, no, NO, you don't understand. I want to make my computer-" and here he erupts into a shivery high melodious flutter "s-i-i-iing!" and it's HIM and he's singing the word "sing" in THAT Yes voice.

Drew Daniel, Friday, 27 August 2004 05:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh my god, Drew -- that story is amazing! I think I would die on the spot. Such a voice.

What is NAMM, anyway?

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:57 (sixteen years ago) link

The biggest US musical instrument trade fair.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 27 August 2004 07:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Isn't is just late at night in the US the Brits arrive, and drive the whole thing stupid?

___ (___), Friday, 27 August 2004 07:25 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...
REVIVE!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 02:15 (sixteen years ago) link

thanks Eisbar, I loved this thread.

I just watched some of that DVD "The Future Is Wild", the cheezy computer animated forecast of what freakish species will dominate this planet in 200 million years. It was very Yessed out too, CGI supercontinent-formation footage and giant global oceans (topographic tales of .. .)

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:30 (sixteen years ago) link

um, i was just listening to the following yessed out record:

http://stat.discogs.com/R/262506-1103102672.jpg

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:37 (sixteen years ago) link

does it also SOUND like yes, jbr?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link

does not matter!

Olias of Sunhillow Critical Edition, with commentary track guest starring the 'scientists' from The Future Is Wild

sharkopath (Jon L), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 03:46 (sixteen years ago) link

does it also SOUND like yes, jbr?

maybe a little like the trevor horn yes (or maybe i just wish it sounded more like trevor horn yes).

it's basically arp-heavy metronomic 1978 eurosynth cheese.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:19 (sixteen years ago) link

This should have said "North America" to include sundar.

LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:25 (sixteen years ago) link

i think i still have yet to consciously hear a yes song

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:45 (sixteen years ago) link

not purposefully or anything, i mean, i'd like to hear a yessong i guess

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Is there anyone besides me who can't hear the pastoral-rainforest sounding intro (and outro) to "Close To The Edge" without mentally visualizing Roger Dean's impossible landscapes? And vice-versa?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link

ahh, side A of 'close to the edge' has really been doing it for me lately. i love all those drum fills that go right through the first ONE beat and splash back in somewhere in the middle of the bar. anothe reason of why i like it so much is because it kind of reminds of this local band here called form of rocket that does similar type things (fast, frenetic parts / churning, odd time signatures / that drum fill thing)

6335, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Is there anyone besides me who can't hear the pastoral-rainforest sounding intro (and outro) to "Close To The Edge" without mentally visualizing Roger Dean's impossible landscapes? And vice-versa?

I always see a Dean landscape, or some Art Nouveau P. Craig Russell planet landscape whenever I listen to Yes. Except for Yes mach-90125 and onward.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes!

J. Sam, Saturday, 20 February 2021 05:09 (one week ago) link

Currently wearing my XXL black Relayer sweatshirt

J. Sam, Saturday, 20 February 2021 05:10 (one week ago) link

Silly human race

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, April 28, 2020 11:27 PM (nine months ago)

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 06:12 (one week ago) link

In some ways their most impressive album, in that it's still very much rock music, but a completely fresh and wild take on it

imago, Saturday, 20 February 2021 09:14 (one week ago) link

hey frogbs how's it sounding? i've been spinning Olias Of Sunhillow and it is great when i'm in the right mood. i keep waiting for it to start.

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 20 February 2021 10:01 (one week ago) link

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spot fuckify (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 10:11 (one week ago) link

Was it necessary for Yes to replace Kaye with Wakeman in order to achieve the level of commercial and musical success they did with Fragile?

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:25 (one week ago) link

I think Tony Kaye didn't like playing anything other than the Hammond, but by that time synthesizers and Mellotrons etc were all the rage so just sticking to the organ would have seemed a little dated. Plus Wakeman was a much better and more versatile musician.

my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:31 (one week ago) link

Sure, but I get the impression some comments above are hinting that something was lost between The Yes Album and Fragile, and it's hard to pin that on anything other than Kaye's departure.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:41 (one week ago) link

I don’t think Kaye’s presence made much of a huge musical difference. He was a fine player but I dunno... maybe their minds were expanding, musically, as a unit and someone as —um — expansive as Wakeman fit where they were headed much better than Kaye?

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:47 (one week ago) link

Wakeman brought a neoclassical flair to the band that made Fragile and later works possible, but this also diluted the rock elements that made Yes Album so effective. So I think it was necessary, but meant losing a more focused rock energy.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:53 (one week ago) link

I'm not sure why Fragile is so inferior (imo) but it is. The songs just aren't nearly as strong. They were transitioning away from being a rock group into something else, and they rushed out their transitional album

imago, Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:55 (one week ago) link

Or what Moodles said

imago, Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:55 (one week ago) link

One listen to Kaye's post-Yes band Badger tells you where he was at musically, kind of blues prog. I don't think they'd have made Close to the Edge with him still there. Topographic Oceans neither, but that's another story.

my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:56 (one week ago) link

The Yes Album and Fragile would both be much better with the shorter songs excised, other than Long Distance Runaround/The Fish.

my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:57 (one week ago) link

Another way to look at is that Kaye was willing to chug away and let Howe take the lead. With Wakeman, you end up having two lead instrumental voices battling it out for space.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:58 (one week ago) link

Do you mean "Clap" and "A Venture " from the Yes Album? Really disagree there.

to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:59 (one week ago) link

Xp

to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:59 (one week ago) link

Squire was always the lead instrumentalist but yes fine ;)

imago, Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:59 (one week ago) link

I like Fragile a lot too, though!

to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:00 (one week ago) link

The three epic tracks are all amazing, "Long Distance Runaround" is delightful, and the short solo excursions are nice diversions.

to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:02 (one week ago) link

Squire is much more melodic than your average bass player, but he still mostly plays the traditional bass role with Howe and Wakeman often layering in lead squiggles over the top.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:03 (one week ago) link

I thought the shorter tracks on The Yes Album and Fragile broke the flow, although they're not bad in and of themselves (with the exception of "Cans & Brahms", which is the worst track Yes ever put to tape by a long way and I'm including "Circus of Heaven" in that).

my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:20 (one week ago) link

Squire is much more melodic than your average bass player, but he still mostly plays the traditional bass role with Howe and Wakeman often layering in lead squiggles over the top.

This is where it all started going wrong on Topographic Oceans for me, the keys and bass are more like colouring or back-up instruments while Howe and Anderson wank off endlessly on top.

my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:22 (one week ago) link

hey frogbs how's it sounding? i've been spinning Olias Of Sunhillow and it is great when i'm in the right mood. i keep waiting for it to start.

was pretty fucking amazing. I've always wanted a copy of Olias, should probably pull the trigger on that some day. judging by my last haul apparently I am in the "get all the 74-76 solo albums" phase now

IMO Fragile is better than TYA but I guess I'll have to confirm this when the sun goes down (4:30 PM)

frogbs, Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:32 (one week ago) link

I heard the first two albums long after I knew the rest of the catalogue, and I was surprised to find that Time and a Word featured Kaye much more than the Yes Album did. Of course, Peter Banks was a much more retiring guitarist than Howe, so it may be that Kaye stepped up when there was more room to fill, and stepped back as Howe took the reins. I guess it's also worth noting the Kaye only took 1/5 songwriting credit on a single song in his three albums with the band.

One thing that I read awhile ago that might not be apparent from the records or the credits was how much Wakeman had to do with coming up with transitions between musical bits; since he was the only one with a serious musical education, he knew the "proper" way to resolve and combine the parts that the others contributed.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:51 (one week ago) link

I think Eddie Offord's editing skills were a big part of corralling the chaos into coherent musical pieces too, although I suspect that aspect of his contribution was sidelined to some extent by the time they did Topographic Oceans as the egos got out of hand.

my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:08 (one week ago) link

IN the meantime, the dregs of current Yes have put out an album as Arc of Life

Here's a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_84UCEDeEkc

This album sounds exactly how you'd expect an album featuring Billy Sherwood, Jimmy Haun, Jay Schellen (Alan White's replacement/double) and Jon Davidson to sound: like lukewarm oatmeal. It's better than Heaven and Earth though.

akm, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:12 (one week ago) link

Speaking of Davison if you really need a Yes fix you might want to check out his former band Glass Hammer

They’ve got a lot of good ones but If and Cor Coridum very much have a “what if Yes stayed the course after Going For the One” vibe to them

frogbs, Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:00 (one week ago) link

I love "Circus of Heaven". Definitely not near their worst.

I've said it before but those long weird meandering solos on "The Ancient" are really weird and beautiful, I've never heard anything else like that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:36 (one week ago) link

I enjoy "Cans & Brahms" for what it is tbh, a quick Wendy Carlos-style arrangement sketch. I know people hate it.

to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:12 (one week ago) link

Seems far too short and breezy to be hateable.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:32 (one week ago) link

I dislike it mostly because its prominent placement on the record can give people the idea that Yes is about "playing rock versions of classical music" like ELP, when that wasn't what they did at all.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:43 (one week ago) link

As for the question of "What is the weakest Yes original released between 1969 and 1980", I might pick "Clap" or "Onward".

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:53 (one week ago) link

Oh, yeah, it's not the best introduction, especially coming right after the hit.

to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:11 (one week ago) link

Hating "Clap" is madness, though.

to party with our demons (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:11 (one week ago) link

that little bruford drumroll during the applause right before "starship trooper" launches rules

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:21 (one week ago) link

Howe's guitar sounds unpleasantly trebly on "Clap", and it seems like an exercise. I prefer the warmer classical guitar on "Mood for a Day".

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:24 (one week ago) link

i love "a venture". it's jaunty and trippy. it would have been a highlight on either of the first two albums, where anderson's lyrics were more often linear and narrative

god the yes album is just perfect

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 20 February 2021 23:27 (one week ago) link

Okay, I just played "A Venture" and it seems I'd been mixing it up with "We Have Heaven", it's actually a nice little number. So that's a thumbs-up from me too. Steve Howe's Chet Atkins fantasies can still bog off though. I'm tempted to play "Circus of Heaven" now to see if it's less embarrassing than I remember.

my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Sunday, 21 February 2021 00:22 (six days ago) link

It's pretty weak.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 21 February 2021 00:24 (six days ago) link

i love that they got one of the dudes from gnidrolog to play record on the first movement of "i've seen all good people", and they go from that into howe totally vamping in the second movement, into "a venture" and the space lounge of "perpetual change." as great as this record is it still sounds so weird

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 21 February 2021 00:39 (six days ago) link

I think he played a steel-string on both pieces? xps

to party with our demons (Sund4r), Sunday, 21 February 2021 01:04 (six days ago) link

Matt #2 - you don't like "We Have Heaven"?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:42 (six days ago) link

I have fond memories of singing "Circus Of Heaven" when I went for walks a decade ago.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:45 (six days ago) link

I thought We Have Heaven was an OK-ish dry run for Anderson's Olias of Sunhillow, which was also part of a "let's all do solo things" project thinking about it. Five Per Cent of Nothing just about beats Ramshackled if we're making comparisons. Squire was the winner both times though, Fish Out of Water is almost the great lost Yes album.

my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Sunday, 21 February 2021 11:11 (six days ago) link

Fish Out of Water loses me a bit on the last orchestral track, but it is interesting to hear Squire's lead voice and his take on the Yes sound.

5% for Nothing is a perfect 30 second song, but Ramshackled is way way down on my listening list.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 21 February 2021 16:34 (six days ago) link

I wish Anderson had done more like "We Have Heaven", I think he might have used more loops on one of his later solo albums but not sure.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 21 February 2021 18:10 (six days ago) link

Union tour was the only time I saw Yes live, and it was deeply disappointing

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 27 February 2021 01:01 (twenty-four minutes ago) link


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