S/D: David Kilgour / The Clean

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I'm really enjoying my first listen through Frozen Orange, but I know very little about David Kilgour. Where do I go from here?

JC-L (JC-L), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link

the clean anthology is pretty fucking sweet - also, mostly comprehensive of their stuff.

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Best DK album; "Here Come the Cars", "Sugar Mouth" a close second. GET SOME EARLY (early 80s that is) Clean stuff, anything w/tracks off the first Eps. I think there's a pretty good comp of that stuff that came out pretty recently. Oh yeah that's prob it above

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I only have Vehicle, and I think it's ace!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh yeah I've got "Modern Rock" and "Unknown Country" and they're both FINE Lps but I'd think the early stuff's both BETTER and a logical place to start. Hey Alex you get yrself some too, man

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Merge put out a very nice double CD of their best cuts. It's a good sample of their 'hits' and a few hard-to-find tracks. Still one of my favourite bands, although I wasn't sold on their last album. Might also try to dig up a few Mad Scene singles (which I think were better than the albums). Rumours are that the Bats also have another one coming out as well.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:23 (fifteen years ago) link

the bats' first album is really great

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link

No it isn't

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:25 (fifteen years ago) link

What's the standout quality of that one?

JC-L (JC-L), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Frozen Orange is not typical sounding Kilgour as Lambchop are his (very idiosyncratic) backing band, not 100% sure what I make of it really. I think this is Kilgour on top form: Today is Gonna be Mine. The Clean compilation on Merge is the one to go for.

dave amos, Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link

i only listened to it once while at work, but i just liked the songs, i think. i guess i shouldve had better specifics before calling it "really great", but i remember loving it.

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link

sorry! wasn't trying to pour cold water over your enthusiasm, just undecided on it myself after 1 or 2 listens. But this often happens with stuff that I go on to adore.

dave amos, Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Don't listen to me, I just cannot fucking STAND the Bats outside of two/three tracks

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Bats: Daddy's Highway is pretty good, as is the Law of Things. I think the latter has been discontinued by Flying Nun (or whoever they're owned by now). I'd get the most recent comp, as I really think their singles are better than any one album.

Haven't heard the Frozen Orange LP yet. Who put it out?

Guymauve (Guymauve), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I find the Bats rather quaint, actually.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Haven't heard the Frozen Orange LP yet. Who put it out?

Merge. I don't think it's been released yet, though.

JC-L (JC-L), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Anthology! (with most of Vehicle), and a vote for the Bat's Daddy's Highway-- at first listen I thought it sounded like folk singing at Christian Youth Camp, and still do. It's good AND quaint. Today Is Gonna Be Mine is great Kilgour-- And if you can get a bootleg of any of the Clean's live shows from a couple of years ago, those have Crazy Horsish extended jams. (I didn't like their new record much either)

Donald, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Get Compilation by the Clean, although I think most (all?) of those tracks are on Anthology so get that. The Clean may be my favorite band.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:32 (fifteen years ago) link

In the past I had one of those crazy crazy fixations on New Zealand bands (mainly of the Flying Nun variety, but it extended to the noise set also). Now I know nothing about NZ music, and I'm now up for a job there (at Victoria University). Any tips on new and exciting things there would be appreciated.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link

The Great Unwashed CD is probably up there with the best of the Clean stuff,actually some it may be Clean songs?

And the Stephen CD has some great simple pop songs in a Vehicle-esque vein, though my love for it may just be nostalgia for 1995 on my part.

Didn't like the Heavy Eights CD so much, but thought A Feather in the Engine was "ace." So am excited about the new one. Is it on soleseaq yet?

s downes (sdownes), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:30 (fifteen years ago) link

I haven't seen it out yet, but it probably will be soon.

JC-L (JC-L), Thursday, 19 August 2004 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Flying Nun is reissuing heaps of stuff (due in part to dearth of good new material, no doubt). Apparently, many comps have been remastered.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I hope they reissue that Stephen CD. I've been looking for that forever. Here Come the Cars, too.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link

his solo record First Steps and False Alarms, out on Ajax, is pretty nice. it's in a v. lofi vain, and not terribly unlike the bulk of the great unwashed stuff (which i love). ajax isn't around any more, though, so i don't know about availability.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link

first steps is awfully uneven though, the enthology is the current best place to start with for the clean, the first cd being one of the greatest slabs of new zealand rock ever cmpiled. the clean are still amazing live, though they're albums have taken a skewered psych-pop direction. i really liked the last heavy eights release though, and im looking forward to frozen orange. oh btw, the clean are prolly my favorite band of all time.

chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:53 (fifteen years ago) link

woah, what the hell happened to my spelling/grammar..

chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link

another vote for here come the cars.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link

btw - check out mike brassell, aka mike hex's lo-fi stuff. mike was a good mate who died earlier this year, a couple weeks after playing with david down in dunedin on a barge in a bay not too far from port chalmers.

his old band squirm, solo recordings as michael j. hex, and in the duo the hiss explosion with peter mitchell are all uniformly brilliant, with the hiss explosions last album '66' (which actually included a kilgour cover) is a tasty slice of lo-fi pop and guitar shimmer, simply wonderful stuff.

mike ran 'noseflute' recordings here in christchurch for many years and was an important figure in the scuzz-rock scene of the mid 1990s (ape management, squirm, spacedust, loves ugly children etc), and in moving to dunedin a couple years back, he took over arc life recordings - leading to a real revitalisation of this top-notch label before his untimely death.

chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:14 (fifteen years ago) link

All I know is that Clean Anthology on Merge and the whole thing is fucking fantastic!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Saw The Clean on there Bangers and Mash New Zealand tour on March 16th at the San Francisco
Bath House on Cuba Street,Wellington city.
Superb,just stunning after all these years I got to a Clean gig.
They were great with the crowd.No Tally Ho or Beatnik,but that did not worry anyone I went with.
Just classic Clean live.


pluto1, Monday, 19 March 2007 04:31 (twelve years ago) link

love 'a feather in the engine.' and it hasn't been mentioned yet, but 'getaway' is actually really good! the clean+related was my pavement.

strgn, Monday, 19 March 2007 04:40 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, a Clean thread I never posted to! First disc of Anthology or Compilation is the best NZ album ever (former has "End Of My Dream" & "Thumbs Off", latter has "Art School" & "Hold Onto The Rail". Tough call!); the later stuff's totally OK, works really well live. Saw them two nights ago at the Auckland gig - they played "I'm In Love With These Times"! Fuckin' aye! ++ was Hamish Kilgour's 50th birthday, Chris Knox wheeled out a cake during the second encore.

etc, Monday, 19 March 2007 04:54 (twelve years ago) link

here come the cars is the best thing he's ever done. the stephen ep is also pretty great. the extra songs on that comp weren't worth much. great unwashed is also totally classic. all clean albums are actually pretty great too except for maybe getaway which was a bit of a drag, there should be more robert scott vocals on clean records. the bats are demoing for their next album already, alright. haven't heard the past few dk albums because the heavy eights one wasn't so great and i lost interest.

keythkeyth, Monday, 19 March 2007 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

I'm going to see them on Friday, along with the Chills and a bunch of bands I've never heard.

clotpoll, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:16 (twelve years ago) link

The Far Now (DK's latest record on Merge) is surprisingly great. Very subdued and beautiful at points.

kwhitehead, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 04:03 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah--the Far Now is awesome--really worth checking out for anyone who's written off solo Kilgour. More acoustic than the Clean (or the Heavy Eights) but very very nice sounding. And there are a couple moments of really beautiful electric guitar playing too--see the closing solo of "Yenisei", which may be my favorite musical moment of 07 thus far.

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:21 (twelve years ago) link

modern rock has over the years become my very favorite. and it was my least when i first heard it. such is the way.

andrew m., Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

Word has it that he's bringing a bunch of NZers as his backing back this US tour, and recent Australian shows were amazing by all accounts. When I first saw him in 94 open for Pavement/GBV in Philly he blew both bands away ,and all his songs from Here Come the Cars and Sugarmouth took on this revved-up form and really just steamrolled over everything. It was like part Who electric mayhem without the prancing around, part Roy Harper (if he was playing electric) the way the reverb just enveloped everything and let DK just go to town on guitar. Really unexpected, considering how familiar I was with those records. Have also seen him accompanied by Mad Scene/Barabara Manning/Lambchop folks over the years and shows were equally good but different.

Brian Turner, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

i saw him open for pavement in memphis on that tour. all i had at that time was a cassette of vehicle bought for a quarter from a camelot records cutout bin and which i played the shit out of. so i wasn't quite prepared for what he'd be like. he was rad and super nice when i said hello after the show.

andrew m., Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:59 (twelve years ago) link

gah, i just looked at his US tour dates and he's not coming anywhere near me. I need to move. To Lawrence, Kansas apparently.

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

The Clean were awesome. The new sort-of-untitled song they played sounded really good. The ending jam on "Point That Thing Somewhere Else" probably wasn't all that great for my hearing.

clotpoll, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:39 (twelve years ago) link

Kilgour tour dates

04.05.2007 New Orleans LA Tipitina's
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.06.2007 Houston TX Warehouse Live
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.07.2007 Austin TX Stubb's
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.08.2007 Dallas TX Granada
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.10.2007 Tulsa OK Cain's
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.11.2007 Lawrence KS Granada
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.12.2007 St. Louis MO Pageant
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.13.2007 Indianapolis IN The Vogue
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.14.2007 Madison WI The Barrymore
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.16.2007 Newport KY Southgate House
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.17.2007 Cleveland OH Beachland Ballroom
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.18.2007 Detroit MI Majestic Theatre
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.20.2007 Northampton MA Academy of Music
w/ Yo La Tengo

04.29.2007 New York NY Webster Hall
w/ Yo La Tengo

curmudgeon, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...
The Far Now (DK's latest record on Merge) is surprisingly great. Very subdued and beautiful at points.

Oh yes, I've been playing BBC World over and over lately. Such a lovely, lovely, lovely song.

The whole album's very foine indeed.

Drooone, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 06:25 (twelve years ago) link

six months pass...

Just saw David Kilgour and the 8's at High Dive in Seattle. It was Halloween. David dressed up as an emo rocker, except he just wore an Emo Philips black mop wig and used the phrase "fucking geezers" every other phrase during the banter. Homer Simpson came on stage to dance on the third-to-last song. Excellent show, although could have been more attended. Ah well. David is one of the sweetest and friendliest people I've ever met. Good times.


Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 1 November 2007 07:04 (twelve years ago) link

i'll be seeing him in Denver (oddly enough at a place called the Hi-Dive) this Saturday -- can't wait! And uhh, if any of you are in the Front Range area, be sure to make it for the opening band, the Magic Mice. That's my band ... Sorry for the shameless plug, but what the heck. 10pm!

tylerw, Thursday, 1 November 2007 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

Kilgour was indeed awesome, though the crowd was ridiculously sparse. Great band, beautiful guitar playing, warm vibe. The whole thing makes me want to go on some sort of rant about all the crappy indie rock bands who sell out places four times as big as the hi-dive, but I won't waste your time ... To repeat what Mackro Mackro said above, DON'T MISS THE KILGOUR LIVE. I think he's swinging around to the east coast now ... And the Clean are playing in NYC in a couple of weeks too! Goddamn.

tylerw, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

Grrrr, I will have to miss his Wednesday November 14th Washington DC show at DC9.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

anyone heard this? http://www.davidkilgour.com/falling.htm not avail. in the states yet, I guess ... also, new Clean album coming soon! Huzzah!

tylerw, Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:02 (ten years ago) link

no haven't heard that. but new Clean song available on pfork!

Dr. Johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 4 June 2009 18:52 (ten years ago) link

wait whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!
first roedelius skips chicago, and now the clean?! texas is not the midwest!

i'm upset.

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:59 (seven years ago) link

also genuinely amused that both GBV and the clean chose TNV for their opening band

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:00 (seven years ago) link

specifically for their reunion tours, i mean

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:00 (seven years ago) link

they must've seen TNV show up as a "related artist" on their respective spotify pages and said "who the hell are these guys"

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:04 (seven years ago) link

Not to get nitpicky and I stand corrected if you have read otherwise, but The Clean and TNV are now both on Merge, so it may be that Merge chose TNV to do US dates with the Clean.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:06 (seven years ago) link

oh well ok
i'll buy that but i still think it's funny

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:07 (seven years ago) link

anyway back to outrage! why not more datesssssss.
actually i know exactly why they're not playing Denver -- last time Kilgour played here (2007), the club was practically empty, something i'll never forgive the mile high city for. show was still awesome.

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:10 (seven years ago) link

The Clean show in Austin is part of Chaos in Tejas, so it's only an hour long... but I can see the Hex Dispensers, go have dinner, then come back and watch the Clean!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:13 (seven years ago) link

diamond david kilgour should do some solo dates as long as he is in the usa.

all i can think to play is guns and war (askance johnson), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:16 (seven years ago) link

is there a new clean album in the works i wonder? i actually dig the last few releases.

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:17 (seven years ago) link

if he came to chicago i know at least 8 people who would show up
that's one more than denver!

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:17 (seven years ago) link

oh he'd pack house in chicago, denver just sucks!
it's funny, my band opened that show and my wife and I talked to David a bit -- and to this day we still say "Dinvah" the way he pronounced it.

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:22 (seven years ago) link

perhaps we could reroute air traffic through Chicago and abduct him/them from the airport
or force them to perform in the airport

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:24 (seven years ago) link

sounds good! btw here's a very nice recording of a recent show: http://crankingamps.blogspot.com/2011/03/2011-03-09-clean-smudge-sonny-and.html

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:26 (seven years ago) link

Saw them at Maxwells in Hoboken September 2010 and it was great, especially since I was rocking out next to Ira Kaplan.

Evan, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:47 (seven years ago) link

Ok, I wasn't going to say anything, but one of the Clean guys is actually sending their kid (grandkid?) to the same music camp as my son this week. I'm still trying to bump into him. At least now I have something to ask about.

It was very strange looking at the camp sign-in sheet this past Tuesday, recognizing the name, and then realizing that nobody there had the slightest idea who he was.

dlp9001, Thursday, 23 February 2012 01:24 (seven years ago) link

those seem to be . . . curiously small venues? i probably have no idea what's what, but i figured they'd at least be in the cat's cradle/black cat rather than local 506/r&r hotel

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 February 2012 01:44 (seven years ago) link

506 is a super small venue! I held the door for Michelle Williams there once. Like 100 years ago.

I welcome The Clean to play at the bar across the street from my apt. It's a really small venue...

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Thursday, 23 February 2012 01:54 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

new song! <3 ive been listening to this dude so much lately... http://www.archhill.co.nz/profiles/blogs/new-david-kilgour-the-heavy-eights-single-free-download?xg_source=activity

just sayin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 07:49 (six years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Holy shit, just saw them play live where they were joined by Peter Gutteridge for "Point That Thing..." and two others! Plus great versions of "Too Much Violence", "I Wait Around", "At The Bottom", "Fish" ...

etc, Monday, 10 February 2014 10:02 (six years ago) link

didn't go, but last week they played chicks hotel (along with bill direen) with gutteridge & martin phillips sitting in on a few numbers. sort of regretting not going now cause sounds like it was an excellent show...

no lime tangier, Monday, 10 February 2014 10:26 (six years ago) link

That does sound great

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 February 2014 14:50 (six years ago) link

Been revisiting the DK & Heavy Eights recently. So much confidence. I think one big change for me, now, is that I don't enjoy the second, long half of "Diggin for Gold," the big heavy Les Paul workout that takes it to the end. I never minded back then, but now I could listen to the first part of the song on repeat at length and be happy. But it is a big heavy guitar workout album. In the day, I kind of overlooked "Waveboarder," but now it's the thing I replay most often.

andrew m., Tuesday, 11 February 2014 03:21 (six years ago) link

Also the Barbara Manning duet Locked in Blue. How good is this?! So fun to play on guitar too

andrew m., Tuesday, 11 February 2014 03:22 (six years ago) link

"duet" lol

andrew m., Tuesday, 11 February 2014 03:24 (six years ago) link

I always imagine him stompin around in moccasin boots with his jeans tucked in on that part. xp

andrew m., Tuesday, 11 February 2014 03:35 (six years ago) link


tylerw, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 15:31 (six years ago) link

^^the aforementioned peter gutteridge guest spot, plus a VU cover. both killer.

tylerw, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 15:35 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

pretty sure there's a clean performance going on in the park just across the valley from me right now!

no lime tangier, Sunday, 20 March 2016 02:51 (three years ago) link

You near Port Chalmers? IIRC they're playing at the final night of Chicks Hotel tonight ...

etc, Sunday, 20 March 2016 06:11 (three years ago) link

nah, i'm up the top end of n.e.v. seems they were taking part in a community event for spreading knowledge about lindsay's creek & environs :-D

when i first heard the guitar i initially thought it was coming from a practicing neighbour copping kilgour's sound... then the rest of the band came in

& yes, closing of chicks tonight but tickets were $$$ + i imagine it's gonna be seriously packed in there, so :-/

no lime tangier, Sunday, 20 March 2016 06:27 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

The Clean are playing SF Oct 1. No other US dates at this point.

JoeStork, Monday, 11 July 2016 18:35 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

2 more dates announced, looks strictly california at this point:

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 23:44 (three years ago) link

Show in SF cancelled due to family illness, Stephen Malkmus playing (Spiral Stairs 50th bday) instead.

JoeStork, Friday, 16 September 2016 18:58 (three years ago) link

The entire tour has been cancelled. I mean...I feel for ya, family illness and all, but it is tremendously disappointing.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Friday, 16 September 2016 22:04 (three years ago) link

one year passes...


reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 23 April 2018 16:14 (one year ago) link

That's pretty faithful!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:28 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

met h4m1sh tonight! nice guy and quite a raconteur.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:53 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...


David Kilgour & The Heavy Eights – Bobbie’s a girl

Entrances 2:51
Smoke you right out of heres 2:50
Crawlers 2:26
Threadss 4:06
Coming in from nowhere nows 3:12
Spotlights 2:59
Swan loops 4:09
If you were here and I was theres 3:30
Looks like I’m running outs 2:56
Ngaparas 5:57

mizzell, Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:38 (seven months ago) link


mizzell, Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:38 (seven months ago) link


mizzell, Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:39 (seven months ago) link

excellent cover art

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:16 (seven months ago) link

excellent song

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 18 July 2019 21:07 (seven months ago) link

yeah, i like that ...

tylerw, Thursday, 18 July 2019 22:13 (seven months ago) link

It sounded perfect yesterday, still does today

doug watson, Friday, 19 July 2019 13:15 (six months ago) link

one month passes...


mizzell, Monday, 9 September 2019 16:56 (five months ago) link

that makes me want to try surfin'. great song, kilgour is really one of the largely unrecognized greats.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:09 (five months ago) link

new record is really nice, no surprise.

tylerw, Monday, 9 September 2019 17:15 (five months ago) link

new record is really nice, no surprise.

― tylerw, Monday, September 9, 2019 5:15 PM (one week ago)


I'm actually quite taken with the two departures from his usual sound - the piano/Cloudboy vibes in "Swan Loop", and the Billy TK scorch of "Ngapara".

etc, Sunday, 22 September 2019 22:03 (four months ago) link

He's never made a bad record. Or even come close to one.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 22 September 2019 22:33 (four months ago) link

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