this weird sort of sonic groove ethik - not funky or rocking in any way, but
BIG, with this awesome machine feel running thru it from beginning to
There are also BiG slabs of synthesiser string machine that sound like
church organ. I always like that
There is a cover of a josef k song even!
The lyricks are good too
Basically, I suggest that if U see thiz album in a used rekord shop (and it
will probably be for s.th.like two quid) then buy it, because it will make U
― Norman Phay, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― chaki, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
mistah phay, pleez explain further? i've been all about those crazy
germanic types this week.
― jess, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
Welcome To The Pleasuredome?? No no Norman, Frankie 12"s are the ones.
Also the Art of Noise stuff compiled on Daft.
― Tom, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― DJ Martian, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
I mean that the kind of rythmic feel of the album through-out is a
kind of like unstoppable mechanical POWER. I also forgot to mention
that the 2 female singers looked well 'ard & mean, and IIRC paul
morley esq described them as "Abba from hell" which fits pertty well
IMO. Tom, I'd completely forgotten about A.O.N. Their album was
pretty good too, I think. I might just hunt a copy out. Thanx!
Re: comments on ZTT, what about the Art of Noise? Moments in
Love + Beatbox were pivotal moments. The latter was apparently a
huge favourite among early hip-hop outfits. Amidst plenty of dross
Trevor Horn did have some startling flashes of genius.
― stevo, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― mark s, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
A couple years ago, when that Art of Noise reunion (???) record came
out, I was given an Art of Noise poncho that's big enough to fit me,
my wife, my two cats, and my refrigerator. Funny how early Art of
Noise records have worn better than the one released two years ago.
Didn't a Shane MacGowan record come out on ZTT? Why oh why didn't he
tour with Seal?
― Andy, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
I'm told there's an earlier EP, which I've never heard.
There's also a _later_ album, _1234_, on which Claudia Brücken and
Susanne Freytag were replaced by a sort of blue-eyed soul singer named
Betsi Miller, and Howard Jones (!) co-wrote a couple of songs. It's
pretty dire, though I like "Heaven Give Me Words." But nowhere near _A
Secret Wish_ and _Wishful Thinking_.
― Douglas, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
A top fact abt this site is that it is the
SHIRLEY BASSEY site!!
― stevo, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
Art of Noise - every 12" up to and including "Legs" (after that,
forget it - the recycling of the classic cuts went beyond a joke, and
when they finally did new material, ugh). I particularly like the
Beat Box Diversions 1+2 single.
― Jeff W, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Tom, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
Friend CA is a Claudia Bruken devotee and has all the solo stuff and
collaborations. Can't recall any myself, but he swears by them.
― Dr. C, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
However, I am now listening to Act's "Laughter, Tears and Rage"
(1988, produced by Lipson and Horn) in an attempt at oneupmanship.
I'm not enjoying it that much. I'll be putting on Claudia Brucken's
1991 LP "Love: And A Million Other Things" (produced by, ugh, Pascal
Gabriel) later and reporting back. I don't expect to have very much
more to say.
― Michael Jones, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― mark s, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
just listened to it (it's even better than I remembered) - she
sings "installed by the machine" not what I said before.
― Dr. c, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Omar, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Sean Carruthers, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Norman Phay, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
if i can find a way to trick my blog into
giving me link pages for essays there are
things i cd put up there also: in particular
CONCRETE to SELF-DESTRUCT and the full-
on director's cut of the lster bangs/jacques
i'm saying it here to make me do it
(clue: yello are from switzerland)
― Tom, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink
So that's that, the 96 Theses, Strummer piece, Geezasthetics, Death Rock 2003, The RISE and SPRAWL of DELICIOUS MELODY, Why Influence, and a whole host of others Mark. Thank Grace Jones, you have your book shelves. (I really loved the Buffy article Mark. I didn't hear much murmur round these parts but the e-mail I sent you that just said 'rar' in the body was meant to convey how much I loved it.)
― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
Many, many great clips of Propaganda on "YouTube", some of which suggest they were awesome live:
This is the drummer & bassist from Simple Minds, I think? Weirdly it does sound a bit like "Sons & Fascination" is places, so good.
"Dream within a Dream" appears to be played 100% live, and sounds fantastic.
The videos are pretty weird & stylish too:
Anton Cobijn's "Dr Mabuse":
Perverse clip for "P.Machinery":
I like the bit where Ms Brucken unveils the stuffed snake on the table & she looks v. alarming & v. hott at the same time.
There's loads more.
I've loved loads of music & bands since Propaganda were around, but I don't think anybody has made a record as good as "A Secret Wish" since then. It's so great, still. Every track is super.
(I think I must have been scoffing loads of tartrazine back in '01.)
― Pashmina, Friday, 8 June 2007 13:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Also, surprising on the live clips to see how much of the vox are done by Suzanne <3<3<3
― Pashmina, Friday, 8 June 2007 13:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Everyone OTM. 'Dr Mabuse' is my favourite 80s song that i didn't hear until the 00s (altho 'Party Fears Two' probably about to usurp it now)
― blueski, Friday, 8 June 2007 13:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Good lord, live footage on You Tube. I will have to check this out.
I admit I feel like I wore that album out over time, so I'd like to see something fresh like live material.
― Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 04:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Watching the first video mentioned on this thread, now and totally dying. Please bury me in this stuff. Oh my GOD. And then when Claudia crashes the party...dying over here. Wow.
― Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 07:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink
We're not bad people in America, at least not all of us, we can't help it that we couldn't watch the freaking TUBE in whatever year this was. Christ.
That Dream Within A Dream video is a killer, too. All that time I never realized that the other woman in the group sang. I thought it was all Claudia on vocals. My eyes are fully open after 20 years.
SELL HIM YOUR SOUL SELL HIM YOUR SOUL SELL HIM YOUR SOUL NEVER LOOK BACK NEVER LOOK BACK
― Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 07:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Just for completeness, the first two parts of the Tube gig Pashmina posted part 3 of:
"Disziplin" (Throbbing Gristle cover in German!?) and "Dr Mabuse" (Michael is seen in his tailcoat, looking like a percussionist for the Düsseldorf Symphony Orchestra, which of course he also was)
"p:Machinery" (my #1 on the 80's singles poll a couple of years back, that almighty synth fanfare taking the place of a chorus!)
Thanks Pash for links, revival & starting the thread in the 1st place -- yes A Secret Wish is a staggeringly fantastic thing. It appears this thread should be linked to every time those "who does all ilx like?" threads appear. Also,
(Hey I want to read mark s on Yello!)
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Thanks for the links, anatol!!
But why is Suzanne less than three, less than three, less than three?
― Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink
is 3x haert!
Hey I found it apparently: http://www.songsofshirleybassey.co.uk/info/articl10.html
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink
If the one Act album can get a 3-CD reissue treatment, surely -A Secret Wish- deserves it too? I used to have 3 versions of it on CD: US, original UK ZTT release and the 10th anniversary one but since I have all the CD singles I think I sold one as it was redundant. I'm not into remixes but all the permutations of these tracks are worth hearing.
― Mr. Odd, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink
I JUST PULLED OUT THIS ALBUM!!! YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT TO ME! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT. OH MY GOD.
Where are Curtis & Trayce when I need them?
― Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 22:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink
"I'm charging you with murder..."
― Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 22:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink
DUEL/JEWEL IS THE BEST THEY EVER DID
― Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 22:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink
i reckon all the good stuff is on the compilation, outside world from a few years back that came with a dvd of the bands videos.
a great cd. so i'm not so sure there is enough left over to make a 3cd set a la Act, after all, this is ZTT and if they could milk it some more, i'm sure they would .. basically, get the album proper, and the 12" versions compilation, and you're sorted.
(or is their knowledge within the ILM gathering of there being a chunk of unreleased propaganda ?)
― mark e, Sunday, 10 June 2007 18:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink
The CD of A Secret Wish I have comes with a DVD featuring the studio videos.
― dan selzer, Sunday, 10 June 2007 19:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink
propaganda is still working today.. he has a label (amontillado music) and releases new propaganda tracks.. also he (michael martins) is working with mc1 (beppe & francesco) on some stuff..
― speculator, Sunday, 10 June 2007 20:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Michael Mertens may still be making music, but Propaganda is a band, not one man.
― Bimble, Sunday, 10 June 2007 20:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink
how do WISHFUL THINKING and OUTSIDE WORLD compare?
― pisces, Sunday, 10 June 2007 21:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink
I've actually never heard this band! I was born 2-3 years after their debut so I have some catching up to do.
― Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 10 June 2007 23:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink
fANTATSTIC MAN i LOVE YOU, NOW PLEASE TELL TRAYCE, cHEERS.
― Bimble, Sunday, 10 June 2007 23:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 10 June 2007 23:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink
well ok then..
and there is another coming soon..
― speculator, Sunday, 10 June 2007 23:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Speculator! Propaganda is not one man! Not ein mensch! He is a band! They are a MAN!
Ohmigod they are SO GREAT! Why didn't anyone tell me they aren't ONE MAN! I can die now.
― Capitaine Jay Vee, Monday, 11 June 2007 00:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Huh, I must've missed _Outside World_ entirely. I'll have to grab that, ta.
― Mr. Odd, Monday, 11 June 2007 02:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink
The P-Machinery video is especially amazing.
― Bimble, Monday, 11 June 2007 04:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink
i am confused... i guess i missed something..
i have a little tidbit about p machinery.. the main hook was left over from some other band that had used the studio before them, i forgot which.. but they just beefed up the horn line a little.. and yeah.. p machinery
― speculator, Monday, 11 June 2007 05:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Yeah I wanted to be clear that I meant the SECOND P-Machinery link upthread, not the first.
― Bimble, Monday, 11 June 2007 05:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink
That Tube gig (all 3 parts) is the best thing I've ever seen on You Tube. I'm so glad I live in a society technologically advanced enough to put this up where everyone can see it. You Tube is a miracle.
― Bimble, Sunday, 24 June 2007 15:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink
The choreography on that p-Machinery Tube video is simply fantastic!
― SeekAltRoute, Monday, 25 June 2007 09:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Perverse clip for "P.Machinery":
I like the bit where Ms Brucken unveils the stuffed snake on the table & she looks v. alarming & v. hott at the same time.
OMGWTF was that clip?! Wild.
― Edward Bax, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 03:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink
I have not yet shared with ILX just how completely flipped out obsessed I have been with Propaganda these last few days, especially live versions of stuff like "Frozen Faces", which wasn't even on the original LP for god's sake. Also here is a gig of them from 1985.
Suzanne Freytag is just staggeringly gorgeous. Mr. Odd said he felt A Secret Wish was kindof played out, and I would have agreed entirely until I saw/heard them live and I seem to have fallen in love with them and the songs on that album all over again.
One caveat: I think their cover of Femme Fatale is a total failure.
― Bimble, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 04:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Moritz von Oswald, one of Basic Channel also known as Maurizio was the engineer or something like that on that record
wtf - had no idea
― jabba hands, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 05:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink
if anyone has a link to a different file format of that concert in bimble's post IE something I can watch w/o using stupid fucking useless divx player, I'd be v v grateful. I'm sure it's great. It won't play back in sync and it sucks down 75-95% of my processor, WTF.
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 13:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Oh, sorry, that's 75-95% AT IDLE. When it's playing a file, it's using 97-100%. Fuck's sake, when did media/computer technology start to suck so badly. Why does any media player need to connect to the internet anyway? Fuck one computer in the web 2.0 era grrr etc.
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 14:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Eh, got it playing in WMP. It's great! Uninstalled all that other crap.
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 14:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink
wtf why didn't I know one of the Baisc Channel guys was Maurizio
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 15:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Well, I said _A Secret Wish_ was played out *for me* because I listened to it so much back in the day. You know, when you're just getting into music and you've got 50 albums you REALLY get to know those albums, and Propaganda's was one of them. But I still enjoy them now and again.
I really want an MP3 of that Throbbing Gristle cover. I may just rip the audio off that Youtube clip, so damn good.
― Mr. Odd, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 00:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Damnit, Mr. Odd, how did you know I was just thinking that LAST NIGHT? Surely it has already been demonstrated lately that there are enough musical coincidences between us without this? I would guess you are probably about as close to my musical twin as anyone will ever be. I still don't understand how we were thinking of the same songs by the Motels at the same time, either. I honestly give very little thought to the Motels.
― Bimble, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 04:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink
So, I had been haunted for nearly 25 years by a melodic fragment that I heard as a kid. I'm sure that most musical obsessives over the age of thirty have had the experience: you turned on the radio and heard the last chorus of an awesome song, but the DJ didn't say what it was called or who it was by. And then you never heard it played again. Nowadays, you can type a couple of words of the lyric into Google and find your answer, but in 1985 I was SOL.Anyway, while investigating the works of the Trevor Horn/Stephen Lipson axis recently, I discovered that the song in question was Propaganda's Duel. I have been listening to the "Bitter Sweet" extended mix almost daily ever since, and I cannot believe they only made it to number 21 in the British charts. This is surely one of the greatest pop songs of the entire decade.As the OP astutely observes, the production is very much of its era, but enough time has passed for it to have transcended the vagaries of fashion. Like She Loves You, it just sounds the way it sounds, which is to say marvellous.
I have to say I dig the video too. (Thanks YouTube!) It's the kind of enjoyably extravagant fantasy that was typical of the medium in its (relatively) early days. The money shot, of course, is the glimpse of Susanne Freytag smirking in Night Porter leather fetish gear. Hot damn!
― Former Golden Boy, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 12:53 (nine years ago) Permalink
Duel is probably my favourite pop song of the 80s
― tuomasters at work (blueski), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 13:00 (nine years ago) Permalink
you must hear P-Machinery too
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 13:34 (nine years ago) Permalink
Murder Of Love.
I ask you ILX, what's not to LOVE?
― piscesx, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 01:56 (eight years ago) Permalink
Nine years since my original post on this thread hasn't dulled my love for A Secret Wish. DAN, have you listened to this yet?!!
― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 03:09 (eight years ago) Permalink
I remember reading the pretentious quotes on the sleevenotes and wondering wtf that was all about? Added to the sense of mystery though. One of my most treasured albums still.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 22:26 (eight years ago) Permalink
this fuckin band man <3 forever
Dream Within A Dream is such a weird song for a 'new pop' group to open their debut album with. what the hell does it sound like? it's like some 70s rock band jam. and then blaaaow into The Murder Of Love
― jabba hands, Friday, 16 April 2010 13:32 (eight years ago) Permalink
it basically sounds like late-era roxy music huh
― jabba hands, Friday, 16 April 2010 13:36 (eight years ago) Permalink
news just in :
PROPAGANDA:A SECRET WISH (DELUXE EDITION)
out 02/08/10 on ZTT via Union Square Music (double CD box set, SALVOMDCD14) "The children of Fritz Lang and Giorgio Moroder...The Duel in ZTT's crown." - NME "Propaganda as the perfect post punk pop group?Very, very easily." - Melody Maker "Bold, striking, exciting and totally enjoyable." - Smash Hits Salvo - Union Square Music's collector's label - announces the definitive, deluxe edition of one of the 80s most inspiring albums, Propaganda's A Secret Wish, which celebrates its 25th anniversary this year. Featuring the hit singles Duel, Dr. Mabuse and p:Machinery and produced by Trevor Horn (Art of Noise, Robbie Williams) and Steve Lipson (Pet Shop Boys, Will Young), this is the album that inspired a generation of synthpop, dance and electronica.
This deluxe edition includes the original album plus all of the cassette/vinyl-only mixes on Disc One, complete with guest appearances from David Sylvian, Steve Howe (Yes) and Glenn Gregory (Heaven 17). Disc Two adds a wealth of bonus material including the complete, unexpurgated 20-minute cassette mix of Duel, Trevor Horn's previously unreleased Thousand Eyes... remix of Dr. Mabuse, a works-in-progress version of The Chase and ten-minute 12" mixes of Frozen Faces and p:Machinery.
There's also a previously unreleased 12" remix of Sorry For Laughing (a cover of the Joseph K song) by journalist and broadcaster - and then Propaganda's A&R - Paul Morley. The beautifully restored sleeve has grown into a deluxe digipack featuring rare early photos by Anton Corbijn (U2, Control) and new interviews with the band members.
Cited as a major inspiration by Depeche Mode's Martin Gore, Propaganda's A Secret Wish continues to send ripples through pop music. Some might know Dr. Mabuse as the first ever video by Anton Corbijn. Others the classic film soundtracks like Luc Besson's Subway (Murder of Love) and John Hughes' Some Kind of Wonderful (Dr. Mabuse). Pop fans might know Duel from the recent cover by Sophie Ellis-Bextor, or as the basis of the Dolly Rockers' 2009 single How Did I End Up With U.
those 20 minute cassette mega mixes were brilliant. cant wait for this.
― mark e, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:15 (eight years ago) Permalink
oh hell yes
― mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2010 12:16 (eight years ago) Permalink
Pop fans might know Duel from the recent cover by Sophie Ellis-Bextor, or as the basis of the Dolly Rockers' 2009 single How Did I End Up With U.
Dear oh dear.
This sounds great though! I will buy it for sure, I can't wait.
― dead flower :( (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2010 12:41 (eight years ago) Permalink
― Sean Carruthers, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:43 (eight years ago) Permalink
Propaganda's A Secret Wish, which celebrates its 25th anniversary this year
That has totally freaked me out. Is it really a quarter of a century since I saw them at the Hammersmith Palais? OMG.
― anagram, Friday, 18 June 2010 14:36 (eight years ago) Permalink
lucky you tho
― mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2010 14:48 (eight years ago) Permalink
It was the first concert I had ever been to in London and as a boy from the provinces I was a bit overwhelmed by the big city. On the other hand I remember being rather unimpressed by the gig. I had played A Secret Wish and the "Dr Mabuse" 12" to death and was hugely impressed by the widescreen production on those records, which of course they couldn't reproduce onstage. I remember thinking that their onstage sound was a bit lacklustre. They also suffered from a lack of material. They must have played the whole LP plus "Frozen Faces" and "Sorry for Laughing" but they had to encore by playing "Dr Mabuse" for a second time – the only time I've ever heard a band play a song twice at a gig.
Andreas Thein had left by that time of course and I'm pretty sure Ralf Dorper wasn't part of the live band either. So it was just Mertens, the two women and a bunch of session musicians, leaving me feeling a bit short-changed lineup-wise as well.
Couldn't stunt my love for the album though which as Sean says upthread is still a killer. Will definitely be picking up this reissue. That press release above doesn't make it clear whether the remixes included are those on Wishful Thinking, which wasn't a bad album either.
― anagram, Friday, 18 June 2010 15:10 (eight years ago) Permalink
btw what's the deal with 'Valley Of The Machine Gods'? a totally new single from a few years back apparently? it's really nice (and decent remixes) but total lounge/ambient biz.
― mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2010 15:14 (eight years ago) Permalink
I hope they put their version of "Disziplin" on it!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 18 June 2010 17:27 (eight years ago) Permalink
I have some live boots from c. 1985 and they sounded fantastic even w/ session dudes.
― ¿Can Your Gato Do the Perro? (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 19 June 2010 05:08 (eight years ago) Permalink
Disc 1 * 1. Dream Within A Dream * 2. Murder Of Love, The * 3. Jewel * 4. Duel * 5. Frozen Faces * 6. P:Machinery * 7. Sorry For Laughing * 8. Chase, The * 9. Dr. Mabuse * 10. Dream Within A Dream [analogue variation] * 11. Jewel [analogue variation] * 12. Duel [analogue variation] * 13. P:Machinery [analogue variation] * 14. Dr. Mabuse [first life] * 15. Last Word (Strength To Dream), The
* 1. Do Well [The first cut/Duel/Jewel (cut rough)/Wonder/Bejewelled] * 2. Testament One * 3. Die Tausend Augen Des Mabuse * 4. Sorry For Laughing [unapolagetic 12" version] * 5. Thought [part one] * 6. Thought [part two] * 7. P:Machinery [Goodnight 32 mix] * 8. Chase, The [Goodnight mix] * 9. Echo Of Frozen Faces * 10. P:Machinery [p:Polish] * 11. Testament Three
Shame the 'Wishful Thinking' album isn't also on it, just to have it all in one place; 'Loved' off that compilation is amazing. But then they couldn't put it all on there i suppose. There's a very interesting piece by Ian Peel the guy behind this, and the other recent ZTT reissues right here: http://twitpic.com/1h8fuxCheck out what the second Frankie.. single was meant to be, before they gave it someone else.
― piscesx, Saturday, 19 June 2010 09:03 (eight years ago) Permalink
all these years, and i didn't know re the 2 variations of the cd release of this album.
i had the vinyl and so, until a few years ago didn't bother re cd.
now i find out that they revised the album massively for the original cd release in '85 with extended and revised versions of all but 3 of the tracks!
of course, the normal cd edition that i picked up years later had reverted back to the 'standard' album, meaning today was the first time i heard its massively improved cousin.
and to answer the question earlier, thought (pt.1 and pt.2) are from wishful thinking, which is a little unnecessary as surely the best option would be to re-release the whole thing seperately ?
anyway, its weird hearing the 20 minute cassette version of duel/jewel again after all this time.
i cant deny, i would have preferred the 20 minute version of Dr. Mabuse, but it could be that it wasn't that much different from the standard 12" versions. (can't recall which versions were on the cassette etc etc)
― mark e, Thursday, 8 July 2010 16:32 (eight years ago) Permalink
Quit paying attention for a few years and you're liable to lose out on two or three deluxe expanded original anniversary half-speed master remastered first time floating inside a special cumulonimbus cloudpak reissues containing the original US CD or nondefinitive UK LP tracklist with and/or without select bonus tracks.
― Andy K, Saturday, 1 December 2018 03:11 (two months ago) Permalink
― Andy, Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:00 PM (seventeen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Andy K, Saturday, 1 December 2018 03:13 (two months ago) Permalink
Yeah, the anniversary editions of the debut and the companion remix LP add a ton of great stuff.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 1 December 2018 14:32 (two months ago) Permalink