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Propaganda were this german electronic pop group ov incredible effortless K3\|/|_|\|3ss. I've been listening to their album "a secret wish" lots in thee last few days. It is quite possibly thee only good rekord that Trevor Horn & Paul Morley's Zang Tuum Tumb label put out, unless one counts "Welcome to the Pleasuredome" which I haven't heard in many many years. It is a lot better than "He stranger" by Anne Pigalle, for example, or andrew poppy, or das psych'o rangers. Even if all ZTT's other rekords were rubbish on thee order ov st3r30ph0nicks, the label would still rule just because of Propaganda. Listening to it is strange, in that it is thee ultimate '80's elektronic pop produktion album in a lot ov ways - simmonds drums, sampled slap bass, fairlight & PPG synthesisers abound But, that which once sounded so flashy & expensive has now passed beyond datedness, & just sounds like a particular sort ov "sound", if you know what I mean. Some stuff that Propaganda had going for them were:

this weird sort of sonic groove ethik - not funky or rocking in any way, but BIG, with this awesome machine feel running thru it from beginning to end.

There are also BiG slabs of synthesiser string machine that sound like church organ. I always like that

There is a cover of a josef k song even!

The lyricks are good too

Basically, I suggest that if U see thiz album in a used rekord shop (and it will probably be for s.th.like two quid) then buy it, because it will make U happy.

Norman Phay, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

k, thanks dude.

chaki, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

this weird sort of sonic groove ethik

mistah phay, pleez explain further? i've been all about those crazy germanic types this week.

jess, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

God yes it's brilliant. I wonder if I've got my tape of it anymore. This 80s production thing is something I've been thinking about a lot since that lunatic Jess called Scritti's production 'dated' on one of his blogs (oh and "Skank Bloc" could have been recorded any time but '78 eh?). And before that actually.

Welcome To The Pleasuredome?? No no Norman, Frankie 12"s are the ones.

Also the Art of Noise stuff compiled on Daft.

Tom, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

yes - Propaganda - are on of my 80s faves - futuristic European electronic music. I rank Propaganda A Secret Wish and Wishful Thinking remix album alongside the mad swiss duo Yello - the New Mix in One Go.

DJ Martian, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

mistah phay, pleez explain further? i've been all about those crazy germanic types this week.

I mean that the kind of rythmic feel of the album through-out is a kind of like unstoppable mechanical POWER. I also forgot to mention that the 2 female singers looked well 'ard & mean, and IIRC paul morley esq described them as "Abba from hell" which fits pertty well IMO. Tom, I'd completely forgotten about A.O.N. Their album was pretty good too, I think. I might just hunt a copy out. Thanx!

Norman Phay, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

'A Secret Wish' is one of the 80s great pop albums. Underrated it cost ZTT over half a million + didn't sell. Dr. Mabuse was dark + chilling (Morley sticking a Walter Benjamin text on the sleave), + Duel a candy-coated razor blade. All fell apart for them but I still play ASW from time to time.

Re: comments on ZTT, what about the Art of Noise? Moments in Love + Beatbox were pivotal moments. The latter was apparently a huge favourite among early hip-hop outfits. Amidst plenty of dross Trevor Horn did have some startling flashes of genius.

stevo, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Blimey, either I'm slow this evening or you guys are really on form.

stevo, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

hooray i share a taste with dj martian!! two in fact: propaganda were top and so were yello, and my nme piece on yello is the BEST THING I EVAH WROTE EVAH

mark s, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Link please mark. (PS guitarist on "a secret wish" = Steve Howe. Drummer = Ian Moseley yeah verily thee k-rad drummer from marillion!¡!¡!¡!¡)

Norman Phay, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Mark S ..I am sure there is more than just these two artists !

DJ Martian, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Outta the ZTT catalog, I like Propaganda most.

A couple years ago, when that Art of Noise reunion (???) record came out, I was given an Art of Noise poncho that's big enough to fit me, my wife, my two cats, and my refrigerator. Funny how early Art of Noise records have worn better than the one released two years ago.

Didn't a Shane MacGowan record come out on ZTT? Why oh why didn't he tour with Seal?

Andy, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Propaganda were absolutely fantastic in the ZTT era. "P.Machinery (Beta)"--the mix with the flesh-eating guitar--is like the best 12" remix ever--by the end it threatens to blow your tone-arm straight off the turntable and onto the ceiling.

I'm told there's an earlier EP, which I've never heard.

There's also a _later_ album, _1234_, on which Claudia Brücken and Susanne Freytag were replaced by a sort of blue-eyed soul singer named Betsi Miller, and Howard Jones (!) co-wrote a couple of songs. It's pretty dire, though I like "Heaven Give Me Words." But nowhere near _A Secret Wish_ and _Wishful Thinking_.

Douglas, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

mark s meets Yello.

A top fact abt this site is that it is the SHIRLEY BASSEY site!!

mark s, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

mark, i doff my cap. brilliant.

stevo, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

As Tom almost says, the 12"s are the essential discs. "Dr. Mabuse" with Penderecki strings, and especially "Duel"/"Jewel".

Same with Art of Noise - every 12" up to and including "Legs" (after that, forget it - the recycling of the classic cuts went beyond a joke, and when they finally did new material, ugh). I particularly like the Beat Box Diversions 1+2 single.

Jeff W, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Blimey Mark couldn't you have just taken them go-karting?

Tom, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Can't add owt to the above - bloody classic. There's that bit in P- Machinery where all the effects fall away, the music slams to a halt and JUST FOR ONE PHRASE Claudia's voice comes up close and whispers "part of the machine'. It's sending shivers down my spine just thinking about it.

Friend CA is a Claudia Bruken devotee and has all the solo stuff and collaborations. Can't recall any myself, but he swears by them.

Dr. C, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Little more needs to be said on "A Secret Wish" - yes, it's glorious.

However, I am now listening to Act's "Laughter, Tears and Rage" (1988, produced by Lipson and Horn) in an attempt at oneupmanship. I'm not enjoying it that much. I'll be putting on Claudia Brucken's 1991 LP "Love: And A Million Other Things" (produced by, ugh, Pascal Gabriel) later and reporting back. I don't expect to have very much more to say.

Michael Jones, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

"Snobbery And Decay" is brilliant though, particularly the 12" version which starts off with the bit about chartering a small private jet. The best having-their-cake-and-eating-it single ever!

Tom, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

On an early version of the ACT lp there is an hilarious version excursion through 'Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now' done in the style of 23rd century Weimar cabaret. Inexplicably left off the edition that finally hit the shops!

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

While I'm here, it's hardly worth saying that the piano solo on 'Duel' is the only justifiable such solo in the history of recorded music.

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I also interviewed Act but the piece never ran as they never got big enough. All I can remember is that it began: "Last night I dreamed I went to ZTT again" — which is rather good I think. Leer and Brücken were a poor interview if I recall.

mark s, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

**ONE PHRASE Claudia's voice comes up close and whispers "part of the machine'**

just listened to it (it's even better than I remembered) - she sings "installed by the machine" not what I said before.

Dr. c, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Yeah Classic, I only have the 'P:Machinery' 12" with amazing 10- minute mix, incl, total fade-out-slowly-bring-back-every-instrument ending. Also has cool J.G. Ballard quote on the sleeve (didn't know who he was at the time) and Moritz von Oswald, one of Basic Channel also known as Maurizio was the engineer or something like that on that record, or so I noticed with great interest when I played it again a couple of years ago. Strange how that 12" prefigured those things I was going to be mad for in 10 years.

Omar, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I heart Propaganda. It was one of the first three compact discs I ever got (other two, for historical record: Jean Michel Jarre's Rendezvous and In Visible Silence by Art of Noise). I had gotten A Secret Wish on cassette beforehand, but it was the type of album that made owning a CD player so worthwhile...amazingly dense and interesting production, and the kind of album you wanted to listen to ALL THE WAY THROUGH without having to get up and flip the friggin' thing halfway through. I never really cared much for the other ZTT artistes quite as much, apart from glimmers of the Art of Noise...even when the production was of similar quality, there was something about the artists themselves which didn't sit right with me (so help me, I didn't really find Frankie all that interesting). Yes, wishful thinking was also ace. Yes, 1234 was extremely dire: when I grabbed it in a rush of excitement and them plopped it into the player, I felt betrayed...utterly betrayed.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Oooh, ooh! Great ZTT lp not mentioned so far: Grace Jones 'Slave to the Rhythm': Ian Penman, John Hurt, Paul Morley and Ms Jones herself on the same record = ILM heaven.

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

(neat tie-up: s.bassey's quotes in my yello piece are many of them lifted from i.penman's grace jones sleevenotes!! i told him this once — he laughed said he'd nicked them from bataille in the first place. hurrah!!)

mark s, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I remember that one, Mr Sinker. You really should gather all yer stuff together and put it all online in 1 place.

Norman Phay, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

barney h asked ages gone to get him stuff for backpages.com: i haf bin arsing around here too much as doomie notes

if i can find a way to trick my blog into giving me link pages for essays there are things i cd put up there also: in particular CONCRETE to SELF-DESTRUCT and the full- on director's cut of the lster bangs/jacques attali throwdown

i'm saying it here to make me do it

mark s, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

(caption for original yello pic in nme = my kind of joke foax viz Helvetica Bold, written IN helvetica Bold naturally)

(clue: yello are from switzerland)

mark s, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

When you say "link pages for essays" MS are you saying "space to put the essays"? Cuz if so etc.

Tom, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Oh and "Slave To The Rhythm" is magnificent.

Tom, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The only song by Propaganda I've heard is "Duel", which was kind of fantastic. I'd like to hear more, but never got around to it.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
When you say "link pages for essays" MS are you saying "space to put the essays"? Cuz if so etc.

So that's that, the 96 Theses, Strummer piece, Geezasthetics, Death Rock 2003, The RISE and SPRAWL of DELICIOUS MELODY, Why Influence, and a whole host of others Mark. Thank Grace Jones, you have your book shelves. (I really loved the Buffy article Mark. I didn't hear much murmur round these parts but the e-mail I sent you that just said 'rar' in the body was meant to convey how much I loved it.)

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

Many, many great clips of Propaganda on "YouTube", some of which suggest they were awesome live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiFbcTauGfk&mode=related&search=

This is the drummer & bassist from Simple Minds, I think? Weirdly it does sound a bit like "Sons & Fascination" is places, so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS86mjP4NYY

"Dream within a Dream" appears to be played 100% live, and sounds fantastic.

The videos are pretty weird & stylish too:

Anton Cobijn's "Dr Mabuse":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNJ0dbCVXng

Perverse clip for "P.Machinery":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q8G5AQpuxM
I like the bit where Ms Brucken unveils the stuffed snake on the table & she looks v. alarming & v. hott at the same time.

There's loads more.

I've loved loads of music & bands since Propaganda were around, but I don't think anybody has made a record as good as "A Secret Wish" since then. It's so great, still. Every track is super.

(I think I must have been scoffing loads of tartrazine back in '01.)

Pashmina, Friday, 8 June 2007 13:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Also, surprising on the live clips to see how much of the vox are done by Suzanne <3<3<3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2rV3rxfpj0

Pashmina, Friday, 8 June 2007 13:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Everyone OTM. 'Dr Mabuse' is my favourite 80s song that i didn't hear until the 00s (altho 'Party Fears Two' probably about to usurp it now)

blueski, Friday, 8 June 2007 13:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Good lord, live footage on You Tube. I will have to check this out.

I admit I feel like I wore that album out over time, so I'd like to see something fresh like live material.

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 04:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Watching the first video mentioned on this thread, now and totally dying. Please bury me in this stuff. Oh my GOD. And then when Claudia crashes the party...dying over here. Wow.

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 07:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

We're not bad people in America, at least not all of us, we can't help it that we couldn't watch the freaking TUBE in whatever year this was. Christ.

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 07:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That Dream Within A Dream video is a killer, too. All that time I never realized that the other woman in the group sang. I thought it was all Claudia on vocals. My eyes are fully open after 20 years.

And then...

SELL HIM YOUR SOUL SELL HIM YOUR SOUL SELL HIM YOUR SOUL NEVER LOOK BACK NEVER LOOK BACK

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 07:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Just for completeness, the first two parts of the Tube gig Pashmina posted part 3 of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9zp5gznBto&mode=related&search=
"Disziplin" (Throbbing Gristle cover in German!?) and "Dr Mabuse" (Michael is seen in his tailcoat, looking like a percussionist for the Düsseldorf Symphony Orchestra, which of course he also was)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYWTgM-z_nI&mode=related&search=
"p:Machinery" (my #1 on the 80's singles poll a couple of years back, that almighty synth fanfare taking the place of a chorus!)

Thanks Pash for links, revival & starting the thread in the 1st place -- yes A Secret Wish is a staggeringly fantastic thing. It appears this thread should be linked to every time those "who does all ilx like?" threads appear. Also,
Suzanne <3<3<3
otmotmotm sigh.

(Hey I want to read mark s on Yello!)

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the links, anatol!!

But why is Suzanne less than three, less than three, less than three?

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

is 3x haert!

(Hey I want to read mark s on Yello!)

Hey I found it apparently: http://www.songsofshirleybassey.co.uk/info/articl10.html

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If the one Act album can get a 3-CD reissue treatment, surely -A Secret Wish- deserves it too? I used to have 3 versions of it on CD: US, original UK ZTT release and the 10th anniversary one but since I have all the CD singles I think I sold one as it was redundant. I'm not into remixes but all the permutations of these tracks are worth hearing.

Mr. Odd, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I JUST PULLED OUT THIS ALBUM!!! YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT TO ME! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT. OH MY GOD.

Where are Curtis & Trayce when I need them?

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 22:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"I'm charging you with murder..."

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 22:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

DUEL/JEWEL IS THE BEST THEY EVER DID

Bimble, Saturday, 9 June 2007 22:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i reckon all the good stuff is on the compilation, outside world from a few years back that came with a dvd of the bands videos.
a great cd. so i'm not so sure there is enough left over to make a 3cd set a la Act, after all, this is ZTT and if they could milk it some more, i'm sure they would .. basically, get the album proper, and the 12" versions compilation, and you're sorted.

(or is their knowledge within the ILM gathering of there being a chunk of unreleased propaganda ?)

mark e, Sunday, 10 June 2007 18:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The CD of A Secret Wish I have comes with a DVD featuring the studio videos.

dan selzer, Sunday, 10 June 2007 19:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

propaganda is still working today.. he has a label (amontillado music) and releases new propaganda tracks.. also he (michael martins) is working with mc1 (beppe & francesco) on some stuff..

speculator, Sunday, 10 June 2007 20:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Michael Mertens may still be making music, but Propaganda is a band, not one man.

Bimble, Sunday, 10 June 2007 20:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

how do WISHFUL THINKING and OUTSIDE WORLD compare?

pisces, Sunday, 10 June 2007 21:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Where are Curtis & Trayce when I need them?

I've actually never heard this band! I was born 2-3 years after their debut so I have some catching up to do.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 10 June 2007 23:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

fANTATSTIC MAN i LOVE YOU, NOW PLEASE TELL TRAYCE, cHEERS.

Bimble, Sunday, 10 June 2007 23:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

lol

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 10 June 2007 23:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

well ok then..
http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/204996-01.htm
and there is another coming soon..

speculator, Sunday, 10 June 2007 23:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Speculator! Propaganda is not one man! Not ein mensch! He is a band! They are a MAN!

Ohmigod they are SO GREAT! Why didn't anyone tell me they aren't ONE MAN! I can die now.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Monday, 11 June 2007 00:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Huh, I must've missed _Outside World_ entirely. I'll have to grab that, ta.

Mr. Odd, Monday, 11 June 2007 02:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The P-Machinery video is especially amazing.

Bimble, Monday, 11 June 2007 04:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i am confused... i guess i missed something..
i have a little tidbit about p machinery.. the main hook was left over from some other band that had used the studio before them, i forgot which.. but they just beefed up the horn line a little.. and yeah.. p machinery

speculator, Monday, 11 June 2007 05:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah I wanted to be clear that I meant the SECOND P-Machinery link upthread, not the first.

Bimble, Monday, 11 June 2007 05:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That Tube gig (all 3 parts) is the best thing I've ever seen on You Tube. I'm so glad I live in a society technologically advanced enough to put this up where everyone can see it. You Tube is a miracle.

Bimble, Sunday, 24 June 2007 15:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The choreography on that p-Machinery Tube video is simply fantastic!

SeekAltRoute, Monday, 25 June 2007 09:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Perverse clip for "P.Machinery":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q8G5AQpuxM
I like the bit where Ms Brucken unveils the stuffed snake on the table & she looks v. alarming & v. hott at the same time.

OMGWTF was that clip?! Wild.

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 03:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I have not yet shared with ILX just how completely flipped out obsessed I have been with Propaganda these last few days, especially live versions of stuff like "Frozen Faces", which wasn't even on the original LP for god's sake. Also here is a gig of them from 1985.

Suzanne Freytag is just staggeringly gorgeous. Mr. Odd said he felt A Secret Wish was kindof played out, and I would have agreed entirely until I saw/heard them live and I seem to have fallen in love with them and the songs on that album all over again.

One caveat: I think their cover of Femme Fatale is a total failure.

Bimble, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 04:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Moritz von Oswald, one of Basic Channel also known as Maurizio was the engineer or something like that on that record

wtf - had no idea

jabba hands, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 05:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

if anyone has a link to a different file format of that concert in bimble's post IE something I can watch w/o using stupid fucking useless divx player, I'd be v v grateful. I'm sure it's great. It won't play back in sync and it sucks down 75-95% of my processor, WTF.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 13:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh, sorry, that's 75-95% AT IDLE. When it's playing a file, it's using 97-100%. Fuck's sake, when did media/computer technology start to suck so badly. Why does any media player need to connect to the internet anyway? Fuck one computer in the web 2.0 era grrr etc.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 14:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Eh, got it playing in WMP. It's great! Uninstalled all that other crap.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 14:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

wtf why didn't I know one of the Baisc Channel guys was Maurizio

HI DERE, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 15:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well, I said _A Secret Wish_ was played out *for me* because I listened to it so much back in the day. You know, when you're just getting into music and you've got 50 albums you REALLY get to know those albums, and Propaganda's was one of them. But I still enjoy them now and again.

I really want an MP3 of that Throbbing Gristle cover. I may just rip the audio off that Youtube clip, so damn good.

Mr. Odd, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 00:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Damnit, Mr. Odd, how did you know I was just thinking that LAST NIGHT? Surely it has already been demonstrated lately that there are enough musical coincidences between us without this? I would guess you are probably about as close to my musical twin as anyone will ever be. I still don't understand how we were thinking of the same songs by the Motels at the same time, either. I honestly give very little thought to the Motels.

Bimble, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 04:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

So, I had been haunted for nearly 25 years by a melodic fragment that I heard as a kid. I'm sure that most musical obsessives over the age of thirty have had the experience: you turned on the radio and heard the last chorus of an awesome song, but the DJ didn't say what it was called or who it was by. And then you never heard it played again. Nowadays, you can type a couple of words of the lyric into Google and find your answer, but in 1985 I was SOL.
Anyway, while investigating the works of the Trevor Horn/Stephen Lipson axis recently, I discovered that the song in question was Propaganda's Duel. I have been listening to the "Bitter Sweet" extended mix almost daily ever since, and I cannot believe they only made it to number 21 in the British charts. This is surely one of the greatest pop songs of the entire decade.
As the OP astutely observes, the production is very much of its era, but enough time has passed for it to have transcended the vagaries of fashion. Like She Loves You, it just sounds the way it sounds, which is to say marvellous.

I have to say I dig the video too. (Thanks YouTube!) It's the kind of enjoyably extravagant fantasy that was typical of the medium in its (relatively) early days. The money shot, of course, is the glimpse of Susanne Freytag smirking in Night Porter leather fetish gear. Hot damn!

Former Golden Boy, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 12:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

Duel is probably my favourite pop song of the 80s

tuomasters at work (blueski), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 13:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

you must hear P-Machinery too

Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 13:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Murder Of Love.

I ask you ILX, what's not to LOVE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWoUZwr6aWE&feature=player_embedded

piscesx, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 01:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

Nine years since my original post on this thread hasn't dulled my love for A Secret Wish. DAN, have you listened to this yet?!!

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 03:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

I remember reading the pretentious quotes on the sleevenotes and wondering wtf that was all about? Added to the sense of mystery though. One of my most treasured albums still.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 22:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

this fuckin band man <3 forever

Dream Within A Dream is such a weird song for a 'new pop' group to open their debut album with. what the hell does it sound like? it's like some 70s rock band jam. and then blaaaow into The Murder Of Love

jabba hands, Friday, 16 April 2010 13:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

it basically sounds like late-era roxy music huh

jabba hands, Friday, 16 April 2010 13:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

news just in :


PROPAGANDA:
A SECRET WISH (DELUXE EDITION)

out 02/08/10 on ZTT via Union Square Music (double CD box set, SALVOMDCD14)

"The children of Fritz Lang and Giorgio Moroder...
The Duel in ZTT's crown." - NME
"Propaganda as the perfect post punk pop group?
Very, very easily." - Melody Maker
"Bold, striking, exciting and totally enjoyable." - Smash Hits
Salvo - Union Square Music's collector's label - announces the definitive, deluxe edition of one of the 80s most inspiring albums, Propaganda's A Secret Wish, which celebrates its 25th anniversary this year. Featuring the hit singles Duel, Dr. Mabuse and p:Machinery and produced by Trevor Horn (Art of Noise, Robbie Williams) and Steve Lipson (Pet Shop Boys, Will Young), this is the album that inspired a generation of synthpop, dance and electronica.

This deluxe edition includes the original album plus all of the cassette/vinyl-only mixes on Disc One, complete with guest appearances from David Sylvian, Steve Howe (Yes) and Glenn Gregory (Heaven 17). Disc Two adds a wealth of bonus material including the complete, unexpurgated 20-minute cassette mix of Duel, Trevor Horn's previously unreleased Thousand Eyes... remix of Dr. Mabuse, a works-in-progress version of The Chase and ten-minute 12" mixes of Frozen Faces and p:Machinery.

There's also a previously unreleased 12" remix of Sorry For Laughing (a cover of the Joseph K song) by journalist and broadcaster - and then Propaganda's A&R - Paul Morley. The beautifully restored sleeve has grown into a deluxe digipack featuring rare early photos by Anton Corbijn (U2, Control) and new interviews with the band members.

Cited as a major inspiration by Depeche Mode's Martin Gore, Propaganda's A Secret Wish continues to send ripples through pop music. Some might know Dr. Mabuse as the first ever video by Anton Corbijn. Others the classic film soundtracks like Luc Besson's Subway (Murder of Love) and John Hughes' Some Kind of Wonderful (Dr. Mabuse). Pop fans might know Duel from the recent cover by Sophie Ellis-Bextor, or as the basis of the Dolly Rockers' 2009 single How Did I End Up With U.

those 20 minute cassette mega mixes were brilliant.
cant wait for this.

mark e, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

oh hell yes

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2010 12:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

Pop fans might know Duel from the recent cover by Sophie Ellis-Bextor, or as the basis of the Dolly Rockers' 2009 single How Did I End Up With U.

Dear oh dear.

This sounds great though! I will buy it for sure, I can't wait.

dead flower :( (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2010 12:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Awwwwwww yeahhhhhhh

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 18 June 2010 12:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

Propaganda's A Secret Wish, which celebrates its 25th anniversary this year

That has totally freaked me out. Is it really a quarter of a century since I saw them at the Hammersmith Palais? OMG.

anagram, Friday, 18 June 2010 14:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

lucky you tho

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2010 14:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

It was the first concert I had ever been to in London and as a boy from the provinces I was a bit overwhelmed by the big city. On the other hand I remember being rather unimpressed by the gig. I had played A Secret Wish and the "Dr Mabuse" 12" to death and was hugely impressed by the widescreen production on those records, which of course they couldn't reproduce onstage. I remember thinking that their onstage sound was a bit lacklustre. They also suffered from a lack of material. They must have played the whole LP plus "Frozen Faces" and "Sorry for Laughing" but they had to encore by playing "Dr Mabuse" for a second time – the only time I've ever heard a band play a song twice at a gig.

Andreas Thein had left by that time of course and I'm pretty sure Ralf Dorper wasn't part of the live band either. So it was just Mertens, the two women and a bunch of session musicians, leaving me feeling a bit short-changed lineup-wise as well.

Couldn't stunt my love for the album though which as Sean says upthread is still a killer. Will definitely be picking up this reissue. That press release above doesn't make it clear whether the remixes included are those on Wishful Thinking, which wasn't a bad album either.

anagram, Friday, 18 June 2010 15:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

btw what's the deal with 'Valley Of The Machine Gods'? a totally new single from a few years back apparently? it's really nice (and decent remixes) but total lounge/ambient biz.

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2010 15:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

I hope they put their version of "Disziplin" on it!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 18 June 2010 17:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

I have some live boots from c. 1985 and they sounded fantastic even w/ session dudes.

¿Can Your Gato Do the Perro? (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 19 June 2010 05:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

Disc 1
* 1. Dream Within A Dream
* 2. Murder Of Love, The
* 3. Jewel
* 4. Duel
* 5. Frozen Faces
* 6. P:Machinery
* 7. Sorry For Laughing
* 8. Chase, The
* 9. Dr. Mabuse
* 10. Dream Within A Dream [analogue variation]
* 11. Jewel [analogue variation]
* 12. Duel [analogue variation]
* 13. P:Machinery [analogue variation]
* 14. Dr. Mabuse [first life]
* 15. Last Word (Strength To Dream), The

disc 2

* 1. Do Well [The first cut/Duel/Jewel (cut rough)/Wonder/Bejewelled]
* 2. Testament One
* 3. Die Tausend Augen Des Mabuse
* 4. Sorry For Laughing [unapolagetic 12" version]
* 5. Thought [part one]
* 6. Thought [part two]
* 7. P:Machinery [Goodnight 32 mix]
* 8. Chase, The [Goodnight mix]
* 9. Echo Of Frozen Faces
* 10. P:Machinery [p:Polish]
* 11. Testament Three

Shame the 'Wishful Thinking' album isn't also on it, just to have it all in one place; 'Loved' off that compilation is amazing. But then they couldn't put it all on there i suppose. There's a very interesting piece by Ian Peel the guy behind this, and the other recent ZTT reissues right here: http://twitpic.com/1h8fux
Check out what the second Frankie.. single was meant to be, before they gave it someone else.

piscesx, Saturday, 19 June 2010 09:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

all these years, and i didn't know re the 2 variations of the cd release of this album.

i had the vinyl and so, until a few years ago didn't bother re cd.

now i find out that they revised the album massively for the original cd release in '85 with extended and revised versions of all but 3 of the tracks!

of course, the normal cd edition that i picked up years later had reverted back to the 'standard' album, meaning today was the first time i heard its massively improved cousin.

and to answer the question earlier, thought (pt.1 and pt.2) are from wishful thinking, which is a little unnecessary as surely the best option would be to re-release the whole thing seperately ?

anyway, its weird hearing the 20 minute cassette version of duel/jewel again after all this time.

i cant deny, i would have preferred the 20 minute version of Dr. Mabuse, but it could be that it wasn't that much different from the standard 12" versions. (can't recall which versions were on the cassette etc etc)

mark e, Thursday, 8 July 2010 16:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

Quit paying attention for a few years and you're liable to lose out on two or three deluxe expanded original anniversary half-speed master remastered first time floating inside a special cumulonimbus cloudpak reissues containing the original US CD or nondefinitive UK LP tracklist with and/or without select bonus tracks.

Andy K, Saturday, 1 December 2018 03:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

― Andy, Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:00 PM (seventeen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Christ!

Andy K, Saturday, 1 December 2018 03:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, the anniversary editions of the debut and the companion remix LP add a ton of great stuff.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 1 December 2018 14:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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