ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMS

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A good egg slightly scrambled.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think he's been reading ILX for a few weeks now, but he'll be :)ed to see this thread I reckon

comme personne (common_person), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Not after we get through raking him over the coals for 'oh brother' lines like that...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I can only imagine how stupid his children will think he is when they google his name 15 years from now and find his moronic comments on Kid A. Actually the thought of that is making me feel better.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I think his children might be too busy laughing at us for overreacting to his writing to laugh at him (also they will be saying "_Kid A_? What album is that?" because no one will remember it five years from now let alone 15 and I say that as someone who loves it).

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

TEH 'HEAD is influntial anmd GREBT and IMAGENE if you can a BAND that wuold be BETTER because I CANOT Geer!

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I think his children might be too busy laughing at us for overreacting to his writing to laugh at him

There is much wisdom here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG, I just read that whole paragraph - it really is awful.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I think his and Jess's comments on OPM are the only ones I actually finished reading (no offense)

comme personne (common_person), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

What else could (almost) everyone agree on from the past 4 years? Radiohead practically gets the crown by default, simply because nothing else remotely iconic was released.

You've gotta be kidding me.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(Mark my words: 15 years from now more people will remember Coldplay than Radiohead.)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Spot on, Mr. Perry. I think that's already the case NOW.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I wasn't aware anyone really remembered either band at this point.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

in a decade that saw 3 Kylie albums better than Kid A I'm not sure about the man's argument up there (and I sort oflike Radiohead!)

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

People still remember Gwyneth Paltrow = people still remember Coldplay (also Coldplay has had more top 40 succes and more MTV backing = more Coldplay on the oldies station circa 2024)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree w/ Dan minus the 15 year part (meaning the people who watch WB shows featuring coldplay soundtracks way outnumber the spin reading indie/alt crowd. (ps I like radiohead quite a bit, but kid A didn't make my list.) (pps i like some coldplay songs too)

xpost ned beat me to it

bnw (bnw), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

my hope is that in ten years someone's faulty memory mistakes Stereolab for Radiohead and are pleasantly surprised by their error.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(Dan plays the test of time card! [but in a parenthetical?])
more people != "it's better", of course, and it's not like plenty of people won't remember Radiohead, so why even point it out?

comme personne (common_person), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, I hate Coldplay with a burning passion! My argument is not at all "Coldplay is better than Radiohead"; it's "People, let's not grossly overestimate the importance of these types of exercises."

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

carry on

comme personne (common_person), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

A quick sketch of what Radiohead's rep might yet be another decade or so from now -- a bit like, say, Iron Maiden now, or the Cure or Depeche if you like. Their new songs aren't getting the airplay they used to or else are getting the same airplay they always had (ie, none), they might not sell out the venues they used to but they still pull a crowd, they record, they perform, they tour, it's what they do every so often even though in many ways they don't have to any more. The back catalogue still sells (or is shared or something), everyone's got their own spot now, outside interests are taking hold, Ed's opened the restaurant, Johnny scores more films on the side, etc.

But like those other bands I cited just now, what's also going to happen is that that new people will keep discovering them and their shows are always going to have a big chunk of the crowd be folks for whom it's their first or second ever show. They grew up on it thanks to their older siblings, they found it on their own and now that they're not really talked about much anymore they love it as a private obsession, they're always part of a 'new' generation that keeps a certain obsessive flame alive. Sure, there are other bands that they might like more, more recent, but those bands are also the ones open about how they formed because they played the hell out of The Number of the Beast or Violator or Kid A when they were younger.

And people might ask themselves why it is that 'the kids' or a subsection of them would enjoy something so cultish and so limited and so not-pop, say, and figure it was just brainwashing or peer pressure or an innate conservatism among most listeners. Or they might not ask themselves that, because maybe there was no need to ask the question in the first place.

Maybe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it too obvious to say their rep will be akin to Pink Floyd's?

Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I really wish I'd voted. It would have made a difference. Dagnabbit.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

No, that seems pretty right. Maybe more like ELO.
xpost

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Bravo, Ned.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Why didn't I speak my mind earlier today and declare Kid A the winner?

Well done, Steve. Loved the buildup inbetween, watching people be worng about Rooty vs Kish Kash and the excellent Avalanches stuff ('Etoh'/'Summer Crane' would definitely have replaced 'Frontier Psychiatrist' in my recommendations, and the early trifekta that ends with 'A Different Feeling' is almost as good as the 'Etoh'-onwards final stretch).

Ah, fun time.

R.I.M.A. (Barima), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i told you not to underestimate the silent majority

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd guess "common people" would be the no. 1 single - or is this me thinking with my heart rather than my head?

Top five with maybe a one in three chance at #1, I'd say. I can't think of a more likely choice at this point.

Andrew Unterberger (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

next week: the 90s!

Hoo-ray! I've already got my nominees...

ALBUM: Bjork, Homogenic
TRACK: Nuyorican Soul, "It's Alright, I Feel It!"

(no way am I risking obvious choices on the off-chance someone else will nominate them, only to see no one nominate them.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i told you not to underestimate the silent majority

Now I feel like a radical cleric.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

what happened to ILM's rap contingent? and what happened to TI???

Symplistic (shmuel), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Eh? There are like six hip-hop albums in the top 20.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 August 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I count three (and one is extremely contentious.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

hi. :|

Richard K., Saturday, 28 August 2004 06:56 (nineteen years ago) link

ha ha , its like when the Today program on Radio 4 organised a vote to choose a new law, or change to the law, which they would push to get enacted and the public voted for a law allowing you to kill any intruders in your home.

Its been great fun to follow. Thanks for alll the hard work Stevem!

Bidfurd, Saturday, 28 August 2004 09:08 (nineteen years ago) link

1. Radiohead - Kid A (2000)
2. Daft Punk - Discovery (2001)
3. The Streets - Original Pirate Material (2002)
4. Dizzee Rascal - Boy In Da Corner (2003)
5. The Avalanches - Since I Left You (2001)
6. Basement Jaxx - Kish Kash (1008)
7. The Streets - A Grand Don't Come For Free (983)
8. Jay-Z - The Blueprint (948)
9. Interpol - Turn On The Bright Lights (904)
10. Basement Jaxx - Rooty (830)
11. Radiohead - Amnesiac (804)
12. Radiohead - Hail To The Thief (751)
13. Kanye West - The College Dropout (703)
14. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (682)
15. Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun (681)
16. Belle & Sebastian - Dear Catastrophe Waitress (679)
17. Missy Elliott - Miss E...So Addictive (573)
18. Boards Of Canada - Geogaddi (566)
19. The Rapture - Echoes (554)
20. PJ Harvey - Stories From The City Stories From The Sea (545)
21. The Junior Boys - Last Exit (536)
22. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP (529)
23. The White Stripes - Elephant (517)
24. Sigur Ros - Agaetis Byrjun (513)
25. Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele (494)
26. N.E.R.D. - In Search Of... (486)
27. The Notwist - Neon Golden (479)
28. Broken Social Scene - You Forgot It In People (469)
29. The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever To Tell (466)
30. Sleater-Kinney - One Beat (465)
31. The Fiery Furnaces - Gallowsbird Bark (440)
32. Justin Timberlake - Justified (437)
33. Le Tigre - Le Tigre (436)
34. Fugazi - The Argument (403)
35. Broadcast - Haha Sound (401)
36. Lambchop - Nixon (398)
37. Primal Scream - XTRMNTR (398)
38. Fennesz - Endless Summer (394)
39. The Scissor Sisters - The Scissor Sisters (381)
40. Cat Power - You Are Free (365)
41. Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein (364)
42. The Clientele - Suburban Light (3??)
43. Low - Things We Lost In The Fire (352)
44. Richard X presents - X-Factor Vol. 1 (337)
45. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven (337)
46. Bubba Sparxxx - Deliverance (335)
47. Luomo - Vocalcity (327)
48. Ladytron - Light And Magic (326)
49. Life Without Buildings - Any Other City (321)
50. Felix Da Housecat - Kittenz And Thee Glitz (311)
51. Ted Leo & The Pharmacists - Hearts Of Oak (305)
52. Lifter Puller - Fiestas & Fiascos (293)
53. The New Pornographers - Mass Romantic (289)
54. Mclusky - Mclusky Do Dallas (286)
55. Andrew WK - I Get Wet (280)
56. The Beta Band - Hot Shots II (279)
57. Royksopp - Melody AM (276)
58. Aaliyah - Aaliyah (275)
59. The RZA/Various Artists - Ghost Dog: The Way Of The Samurai (OST) (270)
60. The Liars - They Threw Us All In A Trench And Stuck A Monument On Top (266)
61. Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow (265)
62. Sonic Youth - Murray Street (265)
63. Madvillain - Madvillainy (264)
64. Sufjan Stevens - Greetings From Michigan (264)
65. Big & Rich - Horse Of A Different Colour (263)
66. Cornelius - Point (262)
67. Goldfrapp - Black Cherry (254)
68. Gillian Welch - Time (The Revelator) (252)
69. Ghostface - The Pretty Toney Album (252)
70. The Fall - The Real New Fall LP (245)
71. Gorky's Zygotic Mynci - How I Long To Feel The Summer In My Heart (227)
72. Shellac - 1000 Hurts (227)
73. Spoon - Kill The Moonlight (221)
74. Sonic Youth - Sonic Nurse (218)
75. The New Pornographers - Electric Version (214)
76. Michael Mayer presents - Immer (214)
77. The Wrens - The Meadowlands (210)
78. Junior Senior - D-d-don't Stop The Beat (209)
79. D'Angelo - Voodoo (209)
80. New Order - Get Ready (207)
81. Atmosphere - Lucy Ford (206)
82. Xiu Xiu - Knife Play (204)
83. Stephen Malkmus & The Jicks - Pig Lib (202)
84. Queens Of The Stone Age - Rated R (191)
85. Stephen Malkmus - Stephen Malkmus (191)
86. Calexico - Feast Of Wire (186)
87. Hot Snakes - Automatic Midnight (176)
88. The Exploding Hearts - Guitar Romantic (172)
89. Mogwai - Rock Action (170)
90. Johnny Greenwood - Bodysong (OST) (168)
91. The Microphones - The Glow (Part 2) (167)
92. Low - Trust (163)
93. The Delgados - Hate (162)
94. Goldfrapp - Felt Mountain (160)
95. David Banner - Mississippi: The Album (160)
96. Emma Bunton - Free Me (157)
97. Ryan Adams - Heartbreaker (156)
98. Wiley - Treddin' On Thin Ice (155)
99. Bob Dylan - Love And Theft (153)
100. Max Tundra - Mastered By Guy At The Exchange (144)


101. Villalobos - Alcahofa (143)
102. Unwound - Leaves Turn Inside You (143)
103. Ted Leo & The Pharmacists - The Tyranny Of Distance (142)
104. Camera Obscura - Underachievers Please Try Harder (139)
105. Stars Of The Lid - The Tired Sounds Of Stars Of The Lid (137)
106. Smog - Dongs Of Sevotion (137)
107. Rufus Wainwright - Want One (136)
108. Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Cast Of - Once More With Feeling (OST) (133)
109. Bersuit Vergabarat - Hijos Del Culo (127)
110. Saturday Looks Good To Me - All Your Summer Songs (120)
111. The Walkmen - Everybody Who Pretended To Like Me Has Gone (119)
112. Lawrence - The Absence Of Blight (119)
113. Wire - Send (117)
114. Oneida - Each One Teach One (117)
115. Spoon - Girls Can Tell (116)
116. Ellen Allien - Weissmix (116)
117. Super Furry Animals - Rings Around The World (114)
118. David Sylvain - Blemish (114)
119. Fog - Ether Teeth (113)
120. The Mountain Goats - All Hail West Texas (110)
121. DJ Rupture - Minesweeper Suite (109)
122. M83 - M83 (104)
123. Akufen - My Way (103)
124. Cassette Boy - The Parker Tapes (102)
125. British Sea Power - The Decline Of British Sea Power (93)
126. Nellie McKay - Get Away From Me (91)
127. TI - Trap Muzik (91)
128. Blonde Redhead - Melody Of Certain Damaged Lemons (90)
129. Underworld - A Hundred Days Off (88)
130. PJ Harvey - Uh Huh Her (88)
131. The Bees - Sunshine Hit Me (85)
132. Okkervil River - Don't Fall In Love With Everyone You See (81)
133. Desaparecidos - Read Music/Speak Spanish (80)
134. Mission Of Burma - Onoffon (79)
135. Spray - Living In Neon (78)
136. Kaito - Special Love (74)
137. Blak Twang - Kik Off (70)
138. John Fahey - Red Cross (69)
139. Avey Tare & Panda Bear - Spirit They've Gone, Spirit They've Vanished (69)
140. The Futureheads - The Futureheads (64)
141. The Liars - They Were Wrong, So We Drowned (63)
142. Cave In - Jupiter (61)
143. Various Artists - Lord Of The Decks: The Fellowship Of The Mic (61)
144. Converge - Jane Doe (58)
145. Saian Supa Crew - X-Raisons (57)
146. Soft Pink Truth - Do You Party? (55)
147. Drive-By Truckers - Southern Rock Opera (54)
148. Miss Kittin - I Com
149. Jandek - The Gone Wait (50)
150. Eve - Eve-O-Lution (47)
151. The Deadly Snakes - Ode To Joy (45)
152. Beaumont - This Is Beaumont (45)
153. The Montgolfier Brothers - The World Is Flat (45)
154. Killing Joke - Killing Joke (44)
155. Kristin Hersh - Sunny Border Blue (42)
156. Stephen Jones - Almost Cured Of Sadness (42)
157. Crydamoure presents - Waves (40)
158. My Favorite - The Happiest Days Of Our Lives (38)
159. Comets On Fire - Field Recordings From The Sun (36)
160. The Wrangler Brutes - The Wrangler Brutes (32)
161. The Cure - The Cure (31)
162. Agoraphobic Nosebleed - Frozen Corpse Stuffed With Dope (26)
163. Xiu Xiu - A Promise (23)
164. Rancid - Rancid (20)
165. Fennesz - Live In Japan (16)
166. Solomon Burke - Don't Give Up On Me (14)
167. Joy Zipper - American Whip (14)
168. The Mountain Goats - The Coroner's Gambit (13)
169. Bangkok Impact - Traveller (10)
170. Bark Psychosis - Codename: Dustsucker (9)
171. Amon Tobin - Out From Out Where (8)
172. Anti-Pop Consortium - Tragic Epilogue (7)
173. Raphael Saddiq - Instant Vintage (7)
174. Neurosis - A Sun That Never Sets (7)
175. DJ Krush - Zen (5)
176. Neurosis/Jarboe - Neurosis/Jarboe (3)
177. Girl Talk - Unstoppable (1)
178. Destroyer - Your Blues (-1)
179. Smashing Pumpkins - Machina: The Machines Of God (-11)
180. 50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Tryin' (-16)

Unranked (albums which did not receive a single vote):

A Frames - A Frames
Absu - Tara
Cul De Sac - Death Of The Sun
Dean Roberts - Be Mine Tonight
Devin The Dude - Just Tryin' Ta Live
Gogogo Airheart - Exitheuxa
Juniper Moon - El Resto Di Mi VIda
The Loud Family - Attractive Nuisance
Mira - Apart
Trance To The Sun - Atrocious Virgin

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Saturday, 28 August 2004 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link

wow that 101 -> is really fascinating. Villalobos, just missed it. My number one (and nomination) just a few behind. Blemish at 114, for crying out loud. Really good stuff like Bangkok Impact and Bark Psychosis with one vote (presumably). I'll take that 101-> list over the top 100 anyday.

Fanstastic, Stevem. Hero!

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 28 August 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Even more amazing: Joy Zipper and Anti-Pop Consortium with 14 votes and 7 votes each! wow!

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 28 August 2004 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Good work Steve!

Sorry I never voted, I've only heard around 15 of the nominated albums and half of them I wasn't particularly fond of...

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 28 August 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

DEMOCRACY JUST DOESN'T WORK

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Saturday, 28 August 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Even more amazing: Joy Zipper and Anti-Pop Consortium with 14 votes and 7 votes each! wow!

Hang on, amazingly low number of points for those two, or amazing that they got any points? (I honestly can't tell!) Several of the Anti-Pop points were from me, I think.

And yeah, very nice work Stevem!

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Saturday, 28 August 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Amazingly Low i meant!

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 28 August 2004 11:53 (nineteen years ago) link

the world is flat only got my number one vote! i knew mark tranmer and roger quigley did this album only for me! phantastic!

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 28 August 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Immense credit to Steve for doing all this, and although it seems odd to say this when I think half of the top ten were in my 15 (didn't keep my list), and only one of my votes (from memory) fell outside the 100 (Underworld), reading through this has only confirmed me in my current practice of not visiting ILM. Too much of the sort of music I find sucks the joy and energy from my life. The ILM zeitgeist is too far from my own tastes and feelings. (And because I am on a dialup and don't download, all the discussion about stuff I am interested in tends to be done and dusted before I've heard the tunes.)

Oh, thanks for running my Eninem comments - they were dashed off notes to you, rather than anything studied for reprinting here, but they read okay to me, so I'm happy.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 28 August 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

154. Killing Joke - Killing Joke (44)

Is anyone else surpised this didn't get a round 45 points?

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 28 August 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

me, for one.

also: I am shocked simply shocked that Hijos del Culo ended up at #109, I gave it 45 but that leaves 82 votes unaccounted for. Who else voted for this brilliant masterwork? I MUST KNOW SO I CAN SHOWER YOU WITH DIAMONDS AND PEARLS.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 29 August 2004 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

179. Smashing Pumpkins - Machina: The Machines Of God (-11)

awesome

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 29 August 2004 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link

you are so busted

Worst of all, I'm starting to like Pavement.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 29 August 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

108. Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Cast Of - Once More With Feeling (OST) (133)

Damn you hate votes. If this hadn't got 4 hate votes, it would have ended up somewhere in the 80's

I did think the hate votes counting as negative points was the worst idea about this poll, even before this outrage.

I thought the nominations process was a great idea, much more interesting than an open poll, and the whole thing has been highly entertaining. Much thanks to Stevem.

Joe Kay (feethurt), Monday, 30 August 2004 10:03 (nineteen years ago) link

(in a perfect world the Buffy soundtrack would have traded places with Smashing Pumpkins)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 August 2004 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link


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