Swell Maps: Classic or Dud?

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International Rescue, or at least a side of it, felt like the apocalypse after days of mostly listening to Yes and Genesis. I never really got it before. More proof that punk makes more sense if you got prog first.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic classic classic. _A Trip to Marineville_ is the fun punkish record (and _International Rescue_ is even more so, to the point of seriously distorting their identity as a band), but _In "Jane from Occupied Europe"_ is the total "difficult" classic, an album I've been listening to for more than twelve years and get something new from every time.

I'm glad that _Sweep the Desert_ exists (and includes a bunch of the really weird stuff I love, like "The Graveyard Shift" and the mighty "Collision with a Frogman Vs. the Mangrove Delta Plan"), and I cannot frickin' believe that there's a Honda commercial with a loop from "BLAM!!" But I wish somebody would just do straight reissues of the original albums (well, in their expanded Mute versions), and especially _Whatever Happens Next_--I've practically worn out the vinyl playing "Vertical Slum/Forest Fire" over and over.

I've mentioned that "Vertical Slum" (in its original version, not the bizarro _International Rescue_ dub) is the greatest punk song ever written, right? The weather! The leather!

Douglas, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Gods, of course. Douglas has a better sense of their scope than I do, but I'm lucky enough to have the Mute reissues and _Collision Time Revisited_, and them's good stuff. Buncha goddamn weirdos, and that's very much a compliment. Let's have more of their sounds in the post- rock continuum...

RIP Epic Soundtracks. And how in the world did Jowe Head end up in the TV Personalities, I ask myself.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah a great group, i like all their stuff. sudden on his own has been very good too, one of the major minor one trick ponies of rock.

duane, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to work w/ Epic Soundtracks back in the day. He was a mad keen record collector - had more Big Star bootlegs than the whole of Teenage Fanclub put together, and was also v. partial to a bit of Brian Wilson. He only started talking to me after I recognised a Laura Nyro alb he was buying in! Great drummer.

Andrew L, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, like you even have to ask me.

jess, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I just got Jane from Occupied Europe and it's blowing my mind. I like the way it's mixed, the way the piano in the second or third song just jumps out way louder than everything else all of a sudden, and the way it's sequenced to start with the songier songs and move to the weirder, instrumental stuff. It's like the first three Wire albums all smashed into one.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 10 April 2003 12:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i never noticed this thread before, so: CLASSIC. "vertical slum" is indeed in the top...5...punk songs ever written. maybe top 2.

your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 10 April 2003 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

and don't forget "Let's Build A Car"

I love all of their stuff but agree that Jane From Occupied is the finest and most underrated (though not here, apparently) - both Train Out Of It and A Trip To Marineville are also essential, and Collision Time is nothing to sneeze at, either!

they RULE. So, classic.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Andrew, did you ever know Caroline, Epic's posh art kollege girlfriend? She was my housemate in the early '90s, moved to Russia and apparently he never got over it.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. Though I'm not much of a fan of the non-songy experimental stuff. "Harmony In Your Bathroom" might be my favorite.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I only like Read about seymour of what ive heard. But i may change my mind.

Jens (brighter), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 05:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi Suzy, no I didn't know Caroline - think I got to know Epic after they split up ('92 on?). He later went out with R*th and with P*tra, both of whom I did know, and wrote at least one song abt R that I know of.

After I posted on this thread (nearly two years ago - Jesus!) a writer from 'Strange Things' mag got in touch w/ me abt Epic - dunno if his article ever got published, tho'.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I adore that particular eerie-as-fuck mood that postpunk bands like Swell Maps, This Heat & Alternative TV evoke.

The first song on 'Jane' sounds so ahead of it's time! like triphop or something

Keith McD (Keith McD), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 09:55 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Been relistening to the albums lately. It's interesting how they now all of a sudden make a perfect *sense* somehow, but for reasons I'm not fully satisfied in capturing in words yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link

obviously a great great band - i don't know if they were ahead of their time, but it's funny how their kraut/prog/punk mix sounds hip today. i guess hundreds of bands would die for songs like _robot factory_ or _full moon_, still it is very hard to sound as naive and pure as the maps.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 07:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I recently dropped the bucks for the Munster reissue of the 5 7" box set + poster.. these pretty much take care of all the stuff that didn't make the vinyl versions of the Alive records comps (most importantly, "Let's Build A Car") The 7"'s are 180 gram, too. Very good job done on the singles.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 08:14 (sixteen years ago) link

The 7"'s are 180 gram, too.

How thick are they?! I gotta get that box, cuz I have the Alive LPs, too.

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:17 (sixteen years ago) link

so classic. And I have to plug the recent Secretly Canadian reissues, which are fantastic -- and finally allowed me to have an affordable copy of Jane from Occupied Europe which, I concur with all y'all, is the finest, and I think one of the greatest full-lengths ever.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link

those reissues are a real treat. lovingly packaged and with insightful interviews: and the photos! the maps look almost painfully young and wide-eyed.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

"Jane From Occupied Europe" is like a post-post-punk "Pink Flag" - Crazy fragments that start to blend together into an amazing artwork.


Did they reissue them on vinyl??


Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Listening to "Full Moon" and "Doomette" just now was most calming. (Hurrah for Train Out of It.)

Okay, clarification time -- as I mentioned way above, I have the Mute reissues of Train, Jane and Marineville plus the Collision Time Revisited comp, so what exactly am I missing that's not included on those four?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I had the Mute CD reissues of "Jane", "Marineville", and "Train Out of It" that I picked up used back in 1994 or so. The only that I found myself listening to with any regularity was "Marineville", so I finally sold the other two. I could never really get into "Jane" - it seemed just noisey, slapdash, no melody or hooks, perversely ugly. I could appreciate the experimentality of it, but just didn't really enjoy listening to it. I preferred bands that took the experimental approach and blended it with more tunefulness. However, the Soft Pink Truth cover of "Real Shocks" is classic.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link

For the last 3-4 months, I've had the SC re-issue of Marineville in my 3-disc changer (w/ Converge & the Blood Brothers). It's set to wake me up every morning. Every few days, I wake up to that 30-second-long track about the corner grocer or whatever selling cheese and TVs, and then try going back to sleep, and then hear the really loud NARNARNILANARNAR guitar riff of the next track, and then I'm up for good. (I hope I'm talking about Marineville!)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link

I never realized how much the Swell Maps were like Can until I got around to buying/listening to the reissues. So singular and weird. They just don't make 'em like they used to, people.

This should probably go on the music for running thread since this reminds me I go running to the S'Maps all the time.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Ned, I'm not sure what's on the Mute issues, but on the Secretly Canadian discs of Marineville and Jane there are several bonus tracks, and some fantastic liner notes -- interviews about each track -- and photos.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I never realized how much the Swell Maps were like Can until I got around to buying/listening to the reissues. So singular and weird. They just don't make 'em like they used to, people.

They don't remind me much of Can at all. The closest Can got to the noisy experimentalism of Swell Maps is the second half of Tago Mago. That seems to be what the Maps were trying for on Jane, though with more attitude and less musicality.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link

They remind me of Can all the time, what can I say. I guess it's the 'anything goes' stance as much as the krautrock vibes.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

"Jane" totally reminds me of Can, too -- not just the experimentalism and the rhythms, but a similarly personalized use of space around the sounds, if that makes any sense. (No, it doesn't, I know)

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I cannot frickin' believe that there's a Honda commercial with a loop from "BLAM!!"

I was never quite sure if that was Blam! or not in that ad, couldn't quite believe it myself and wasted a lot of time searching message boards commercials trying to get confirmation.

Anyhoo, Swell Maps = total classic. The reissues are fantastic. When I first heard Collision Time Revisited I couldn't understand how I'd never heard of this band before (and the only reason I even heard that was because a Sonic Youth obsessed friend picked it up for Thurston Moore's liner notes), then I tried to actually find some of their music. It took me over four years to finally find a battered copy of Marineville and even then I could only get it by trading stuff.

Graeme (Graeme), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link

oh god, "full moon" gives me chills. it stomps. and when he overextends his voice actin' goofy and involuntarily coughs and goes into the yell it's one of the greatest vocal moments recorded ever. i still wish they would've just rereleased _collision time revisited_ which is the most comprehensive collection in one big package. the alive ones are nice though. my favorite tune may still be "bleinheim shots" from _jane..._.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Never been convinced these guys were much more than average. Guess it's time to listen again. Did someone say Can?! I sure don't remember them that way.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link

a similarly personalized use of space around the sounds

Actually, that does make sense.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link

The bonus tracks on the Secretly Canadian and Mute reissues are different!

Still no sign of a Whatever Happens Next... reissue. That's a crime.

I simply do not understand why more people don't know about this band.

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:11 (sixteen years ago) link

not enough folks paid attention to bobby nastonovich's "we're a swell maps rip-off band" namechecks back in the day i guess. pay attention, people!

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, I have the Mute CD versions of Marinaville and Jane.

What bonus tracks do the SC reissues have the the Mute ones don't?

Because, to me, it seems pointless to get the SC reissues, since the Mute issues have tons more bonus tracks... and I was assuming the stuff on the Alive comps would cover the bonus track material on the SC reissues, but I could be wrong!

Bimble, you should get one of the Alive comps.. either International Rescue or Sweep The Desert will do... The former is more garagey, and the latter is more "proto-indie". Both are mutually exclusive, and make good cheap primers.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Why is our little one taking so long in the shower tonight?

What we want? Sex with T.V. stars! What you want? Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Ma, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link

donut -- bonus tracks on SC reissues are:

Marineville:
Loin of the Surf
Doctor at Cake
Steven Does
Bronze and Baby Shoes

Jane:
The Stairs Are Like an Avalanche
New York

Also, the remastering (done in 2003 by Nikki Sudden and John Rivers) fucking RULES RULES and RULES.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link

also, as mentioned above, the photographs and interviews (about the albums, and each track individually) are really cool.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link

of course I'm sure that the Mute ones are fine -- it's not like the SC reissues are crazy must-haves if you already own the stuff.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Was hoping the SC reissues matched the Mute ones, 'cos both mine suffering from CD rot.

Wandering Boy Poet, Thursday, 31 March 2005 09:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I've got the SC version of Marineville. What are the bonus tracks on the Mute version?

D. Bachyrycz, Thursday, 31 March 2005 11:47 (sixteen years ago) link

The Mute bonus tracks are:

Ripped & Torn
International Rescue
Loin of the Surf
Shoot the Angels
Elephant Flowers (no. 2)
Turn Me On Dead Man
Bronze & Baby Shoes
nevertoseeanyotherway

Vic Funk, Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link

"Let's Build A Car" not being out on CD is kind of wtf evil.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link

It isn't on CD at this point? How bizarro.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Jane from Occupied Europe is my favourite record of all time. And the coverart!

'New York' may well be one the best songs ever as well.

Shame about their horrendously disorganised re-issue/compilation protocol though.

Sasha (sgh), Friday, 1 April 2005 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

They'd like to buy the O-Levels single, or "Read About Seymour", but they're not pressed in red, so they buy The Lurkers instead.

Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Friday, 1 April 2005 01:56 (sixteen years ago) link

"Let's Build A Car" not being out on CD is kind of wtf evil.

It's on the Internation Rescue CD (but not the LP configuration).

Vic Funk, Friday, 1 April 2005 04:37 (sixteen years ago) link

"Let's Build a Car" is a bonus track on the Mute Jane From Occupied Europe WITHOUT the fuck up on the intro guitar fuzz. For some reason, the version of that song on the International Rescue CD comp *and* the Munster 7" box set has the fuzz part missing the first few notes or so.. so you have to kind find yourself into the beat of it.

donut debonair (donut), Friday, 1 April 2005 06:23 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...
these guys are the awesomist

That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 26 June 2005 03:58 (fifteen years ago) link

probably, that stuff is SO confusing. but iirc there are things on the Mute version that you can't get anywhere else.

sleeve, Saturday, 11 February 2012 21:37 (nine years ago) link

yeah it (Mute version) has "Doomette", "Clear The Floor", "Cave Dwellers", "Dresden Style", etc.

sleeve, Saturday, 11 February 2012 21:40 (nine years ago) link

My question that killed this thread in 2010 still stands BTW.

Wandering Boy Poet, Monday, 13 February 2012 13:21 (nine years ago) link

Hmm, I have Train Out Of It and A Trip To Marineville on Mute, I'd better check them later on, then I might be able to answer :)

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Monday, 13 February 2012 13:43 (nine years ago) link

my Mute Jane is fine; bought it when it came out. my Restless C.T. Revisited, however, skips.

nerve_pylon, Monday, 13 February 2012 13:50 (nine years ago) link

yeah all my Mute CDs are fine, I have Jane... and Train Out Of It.

sleeve, Monday, 13 February 2012 18:30 (nine years ago) link

Mine are OK too but I realised I haven't listened to them in years so they've gone on my listening pile, so thanks anyway!

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:43 (nine years ago) link

What's on "Train", demos and early stuff? Is it any good?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 13 February 2012 20:47 (nine years ago) link

I would say it was essential cos it has their non-album singles on it but they may be on other comps as well, their discography is such a mess.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Monday, 13 February 2012 20:51 (nine years ago) link

Looks like it has quite a lot of crossover with Collision Time Revisited, at least the first half. But that doesn't have Dresden Style on it.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Monday, 13 February 2012 20:57 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

nice! just the other day i realized it'd been too long since my last listen through my faves. this'll give me a reason to have a swell maps revival.

andrew m., Wednesday, 29 May 2013 15:58 (seven years ago) link

great stuff -- seems weird they've only put out a handful of these officially (and never on CD afaik).

tylerw, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:03 (seven years ago) link

damn I was just listening to jane from occupied europe yesterday

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 16:05 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

Did the 2013 Mute cd releases get a remaster or is that just the Secretly Canadian versions. I've been meaning to pick up copies of their material for a while and want to get the best cd versions.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 10:38 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Can anyone recommend other rock bands/songs with a driving "pulse," similar to SM traxx like "Midget Submarines" and "Full Moon in My Pocket"? (I guess a much more recent example would be Parquet Courts' "Stoned & Starving"...) Thx!

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:13 (three years ago) link

The outro to "Stoned & Starving" actually v. similar to the "Full Moon (Reprise)"

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:17 (three years ago) link

Maybe a few here: That Motorik Beat

everything, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:17 (three years ago) link

"Full Moon" is really just "Mother Sky" surely?

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:18 (three years ago) link

Kewl, thanks. I've dipped into Can, but it's never really gelled for me (not "rock" enough, or something). Will check it out again...

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:22 (three years ago) link

Rolling Blackouts Coastal Fever can get that sound going pretty well.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 18:26 (three years ago) link

this is very 'midget submarine' - the gordons' 'future shock' which i think came out about a year after marineville:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDKGkWU0lWQ

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:14 (three years ago) link

that's a great call!

sleeve, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:15 (three years ago) link

there's probably a lot more NZ stuff that would fit tbh, but my knowledge isn't that deep

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:20 (three years ago) link

oh yeah this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3huT9iemFTg

The Dead C - Bad Politics

(that's off their first 7" btw, a lot of the rest of their stuff isn't really quite as rocking as that)

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 19:36 (three years ago) link

going backwards in time, you get things like this from 1975 iirc which is maybe more in the vein of stuff like 'helicopter spies':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnG_pwzSgmU&t=177s

Simply Saucer - Illegal Bodies

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 20:15 (three years ago) link

Thanks, all! The gtr solo in that Simply Saucer track is pretty gnarly... (never heard of this band).

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 21:33 (three years ago) link

There's a band history called Heavy Metalloid Music by Jesse Locke that i've been meaning to get. Hoped my girlfriend could pick up a copy in NYC on her last trip but couldn't find it.
Cyborgs Revisited is a good compilation and has that track on it.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 21:51 (three years ago) link

I'm listening to "Cyborgs Revisited" online now... it sounds like the missing link between the first Royal Trux LP, Cleveland-scene basement scuzz, and, I dunno, Boston (the band).

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 22:10 (three years ago) link

they were kind of canada's sci-fi answer to the velvet underground. kind of.

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 22:16 (three years ago) link

produced by Daniel Lanois too.

& the band name is more of a reference to Pink Floyd's 2nd lp I think.

Also thought i heard about ping Romany being compared to the Hawkwind electronic guys not sure if that was conscious on his part .

Stevolende, Wednesday, 18 April 2018 23:48 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

Anyone have further info on the new "Mayday Signals" release: https://www.discogs.com/Swell-Maps-MayDay-Signals/release/18527167

Such as - are these demos, single versions, wot?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 3 May 2021 03:19 (one week ago) link

It was mentioned in the Rolling Reissues thread recently, I don’t recall how much info there was…

BeardsleyCollege.edu (morrisp), Monday, 3 May 2021 03:50 (one week ago) link

‘Mayday Signals’ by Swell Maps is a compilation of previously unreleased material. One of two surviving members, Jowe Head, has plundered his archives to find a whole host of treasures by the influential DIY punk band. Among the highlights are demo versions of ‘Read About Seymour’ and ‘Dresden Style’.

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Monday, 3 May 2021 10:18 (one week ago) link

Not seeing a cd version which would have been handy. But so would Cherry Red compiling one of its Punk multi-lp cd sets on the band.
There were cd remasters of the 2 main lps on Secretly Canadian a few years ago but it was mainly the non remastered Mute version that was visibly around.

Stevolende, Monday, 3 May 2021 10:58 (one week ago) link

Hrm, not much detail there. We'll have to see what comes with the physical product.

Rough Trade list a CD version: https://www.roughtrade.com/gb/swell-maps/mayday-signals (Yah I'm still buying CDs, too, fwiw).

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 3 May 2021 15:22 (one week ago) link

"Whatever Happens Next (Acoustic)"

would check out for this and a few others fer sure

andrew m., Monday, 3 May 2021 15:48 (one week ago) link

yeah found a cd version on Easy Action's site after searching.

Stevolende, Monday, 3 May 2021 16:14 (one week ago) link

Discogs has the Mute version of teh cds listed as RM which i thought was remastered. Ones i have say 1989 on th eback, not that the 2 are mutually exclusive just would prefer a fresher transfer.
THink I found some cheapish copies of teh other remaster though.

Stevolende, Monday, 3 May 2021 16:17 (one week ago) link

I recall some grumbling from somewhere on interwebs that the Mute cds had some reverb added as well. Not sure if that is trur but comparing select tracks to the International Rescue comp they do sound "roomier".
So, yes, to fresh transfers.
...and a cd copy of Whatever Happens Next with extra peel sessions.

ringworm, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:38 (six days ago) link

Ok, in case anyone else has been confused by their catalog, here's what I've discovered:

The 1991 Mute CD reissues of "A Trip To Marineville", "In Jane From Occupied Europe" and "Train Out Of It" collect almost all of their officially released catalog. These are the tracks that aren't included:
Steven Does - from the 7" that came with "Jane"
English Verse / Monologues - from "Real Shocks" 7"
St. Saviour's Road / Blues No. 2: Beatle Bonfire / Fashion Cult / Texas - from "Collision Time Revisited"
Black Velvet (remix) / Dresden Style - from "International Rescue"
Cave Mines - from "Sweep The Desert"

Not yet officially released are 3 Peel sessions from 1978-80. These are great, someone should put them out. I've also got a couple of tracks they did for WMRS in 1979.

"Mayday Signals" is entirely previously unreleased material as far as I can tell. A couple of these tracks ("Armadillo", "Bandits 1-5") later appeared on a Peel session. Others are demo or alternate versions:
"City Boys - Dresden Style", "Fashion Cult", "International Rescue", "Off The Beach", "Ripped And Torn", "Vertical Slum", "Whatever Happens Next", "Read About Seymour"
There's lots of short bits (12 tracks are 1:30 or less), a bunch of noise collages that aren't my taste, and then there's some great new songs, which are. I'll likely cherry pick the best stuff for my digital library.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 6 May 2021 21:34 (five days ago) link

"Armadillo" presumably = Winter Rainbow (on the International Rescue comp)

Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 6 May 2021 21:54 (five days ago) link

The 1991 Mute CD reissues of "A Trip To Marineville", "In Jane From Occupied Europe" and "Train Out Of It" collect almost all of their officially released catalog. These are the tracks that aren't included:
Steven Does - from the 7" that came with "Jane"
English Verse / Monologues - from "Real Shocks" 7"
St. Saviour's Road / Blues No. 2: Beatle Bonfire / Fashion Cult / Texas - from "Collision Time Revisited"
Black Velvet (remix) / Dresden Style - from "International Rescue"
Cave Mines - from "Sweep The Desert"

Idk, I can think of several songs unaccounted for here but would have to compare tracklists to be sure

Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 6 May 2021 22:01 (five days ago) link

Yeah, that list is missing stuff :)

I don't know this release, but wonder if there's some overlap with the new one:
https://www.discogs.com/Swell-Maps-Whatever-Happens-Next/release/1499935

Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 6 May 2021 22:50 (five days ago) link

Ok, I wasn't aware of that double LP. or another demos and whatnot released called "Wastrels And Whippersnappers". Looks like the barrel still needs scraping...

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 7 May 2021 02:40 (four days ago) link

Well like for example 'Winter Rainbow' is not on one of those 3 CD's but but you didn't list it among the songs on International Rescue that is not on one of those CD's. And there are others.

Tbf it looks like it was included on a later reish of Marineville (not on Mute)

Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Friday, 7 May 2021 05:53 (four days ago) link

Ah, my mistake, that's because I have it as part of a bootleg radio sessions comp.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 7 May 2021 14:19 (four days ago) link

Whatever Happens Next desperately needs a reissue IMHO

"Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Friday, 7 May 2021 16:50 (four days ago) link

Honestly I think they need a definitive box set, the catalog isn't that huge that it wouldn't be feasible and every time their albums get reissued things get left off and the catalog becomes even more confusing.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 7 May 2021 18:55 (four days ago) link

Have hoped taht Cherry Red might do one of its punk era boxes on them. Seem to be some good ones around.

Stevolende, Friday, 7 May 2021 20:01 (four days ago) link


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