Frippertronics-era Robert Fripp: Let's Discuss

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We're talking ca. 1978 to 1981, really. Exposure has been discussed elsewhere, as has the Darryl Hall record, so I'm interested in hearing thoughts on the other records from this era:

God Save the Queen/Under Heavy Manners, which is half Frippertronics/half "Discotronics" (essentially, Frippertronics with a rock-solid rhythm section). As a kid, I detested the "Under Heavy Manners" side of that disc, but now I'm reconsidering. That vocal by David Byrne (credited as "Absalm el Habib") is pretty hilarious.

Let The Power Fall, to my ears, the best of the straight Frippertronics discs. Supposedly Fripp burned solos over the top of the Frippertronics, but didn't record them for posterity. Still, it sounds great.

And then, of course, the League of Gentlemen discs (the studio one and posthumous live record released a few years ago). Kind of slammed/ignored at the time of its release (1980), and long regarded as a warm-up to the return of King Crimson, the group actually holds up quite well on its own terms as a smokin'-hott proto-math rock outfit. In addition, there's the whole JG Bennett aspect to all of Fripp's output around this time. But on the TLOG studio record, it's handled for the first time with a dash of humour, in particular, the cut-up of him and group talking about dancing and rock n' roll. I like it.

Thoughts?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I could never get into the LoG records. They are kind of warm-ups for the 80s King Crimson, but not as good. I can see how it's a little more "fun", but to me, they're just too light (but then, I'm not really the world's biggest 80s King Crimson fan either). I also don't think Fripp has ever stopped doing Frippertronics, has he?

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

i always thought of frippertronics as starting with the "no pussyfooting"-era guitar approach. did it really arise much that much later (1977)?

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link

grrr i had a pre-rec cassette with TLOG album on one side and LTPF on the other - i loaned it to someone 10 yrs ago and never got it back...

one of the things i loved about the LTPF work was how 'ego-less' it sounded - there was something relaxing in the abstraction/simplicity of it -

ref: TLOG - yes, great feeling of precision and sharp interlocking in alot of that - and iirc there were 1 or 2 short pieces of XTC's Barry Andrews' playing of that buzzy/fizzy organ being Frippertronic-ed, which sounded great - albeit they were geometrical/blocky canon-ical rather than being allowed to build up into shimmering whorly sounds...

what do you think of his later versions of frippertronics ? (using long DDL's instead of tapeloops i guess) I've not heard much - I don't know whether this stuff gets formulaic-ly boring or overfamiliar after a few albums - i think i found 1/3 a bit too harsh (think he was buggering about with modulating delaytimes), 1/3 a bit more schlocky postravey chill-out, and 1/3 as beautifully austere and neutral as he used to be...

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link

I loved what he did on the Roches first album. Worked well with them. Beyond that, eh. I never bothered much.

frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Modern version of Frippertronics - plug your guitar into a Roland guitar synth, play chords that automatically come out as swelling synth washes, release 20 records of it.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

well, here comes the flood

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

nah, not too many Fripp diehards at ILM

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Pussyfooting was technically the same system, but Eno was operating it and the system evolved considerably by the late Seventies. So, yes and no.

As for the more recent ones, kind of agreed. I have the one for his mum (Brits and their mums), and it's got some very pretty moments on it...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link

although, I've always thought Fripp didn't get enough credit for jumpstarting ambient music, as a genre. You always read about Eno, and never about him, even though their collab records predated all of Eno's ambient stuff.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Agreed. Also, the Frippertronics suite surrounding "Here Comes the Flood" on Exposure is great. Very moving stuff.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, that live TLOG album is pretty hott...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link

no pussyfooting is way better than eno's ambient series, if you ask me. no that i dont love them, but i think "no pussyfooting" is one of the top 5 out/experimental records ive ever heard.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

its been a good few years since i've listened to them - but isn't 'evening star' a good deal more user-friendly than 'no pussyfooting' - and more creditable as 'proto-ambient'

(...though of course don't the 60's drone/minimalist ppl lead to both of those - e.g. riley's 'rainbow in curved air' -> some of no pussyfooting - and iirc the first section of 'poppy nogood...' sounds very prescient of fripp's 'urban landscape' (which is possibly my favourite frippertronics-drone piece ever - if only he had kept it going for another few minutes...)

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link

i need to hear evening star - i dont know why ive never listened to it - i guess i always assumed it was like watered-down "no pussyfooting".

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Modern version of Frippertronics - plug your guitar into a Roland guitar synth, play chords that automatically come out as swelling synth washes, release 20 records of it.

Sadly the case. To be fair he's not calling it Frippertronics anymore, the 90's records are adorned with the phrase 'Soundscapes'.

My favorite of the 90's is 1999, the first one. Not restful, just dense apocalyptic & ominous.

I never heard Gates of Paradise because I'd burnt out on the previous FOUR albums of vague, vapid prettiness (I can't recommend any of them), but I've heard it's got some focus.

I agree with this review of ffwd.

dleone, your review of the new fripp/eno had a line about how no one else had ever done anything with frippertronics... let alone no mention of any of the forebearers like Oliveros, Riley, there's an entire horrifying industry of records made entirely with 2 to 10 second delays set at 99% decay, they oughta license those things... even Frith uses digital pedals to capture loops these days...

(Jon L), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I always found the FFWD record to be pretty flat — at the time, I was really excited that Fripp was working with the Orb guys, but it didn't really amount to much. Ah, the mid-90s and their unfulfilled expectations...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link

So now I have to account for everyone that uses delay? Next thing you know, I'll be forced to use decent spelling.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link

(x-post)Well, according to this month's Wire he and Eno are at it again. There's a new thing by both of them coming soon.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Uhhhhh...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:35 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/fripp-and-eno/equatorial-stars.shtml

>So now I have to account for everyone that uses delay?

if 'frippertronics' = use of delay to layer canonic phrases... then there's a history and a legacy...

(Jon L), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

In fairness, I think Dom's specifically talking about that Revox tape system he and Eno devised...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Perhaps I should have picked Pauline Oliveros instead of suggesting people listen to car noises, but most important to me in that review was refuting the notion that Eno 'invented' ambient music.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm just haggling over the point that the reel-to-reel tape delay system was already in use by Riley, Oliveros, everyone at the San Francisco Tape Music Center & dozens of others for over a decade. the links above point to their 60's releases on Columbia.

No Pussyfooting is a beautiful record... but Fripp naming something as basic as tape delay after himself is laughable. I wish he got called out for that more often.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link

From a 1979 interview:

'Frippertronics is defined as that musical experience which results at the (intersection) of Robert Fripp and a small and appropriate level of technology which is my Les Paul, the Fripple board, the Fripp pedal board of fuzz, wah-wah and volume pedals and two Revoxes.'

I guess that makes it pretty hard for anyone else to do much with Frippertronics!

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

maybe not directly, but...

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/eh16/eh16sec.JPG

original ad for the electro-harmonix EH 16. when fripp read the ad copy in the second paragraph, he contacted them and said 'this Fripp would like one for free'.

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/eh16/eh16.html

(Jon L), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Did he get one?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 19:13 (sixteen years ago) link

IIRC he did. I do remember seeing a photo in "Sounds" magazine of an EH pedal called "fripp-in-a-box", I've no idea if it was a one off or not.

someone on Analogue Heaven posted up a review of the new version of this, which has recently come out.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 19:18 (sixteen years ago) link

reviews of that and other boxes here: it's an entire industry.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link

BTW, as sort of a side-note, I was re-reading some Fripp stuff about his whole "Drive To 1981" a few months back, and wouldn't you know that the specific date he'd selected for, uh, reaching his destination was September 11th, 1981...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

(x-post)

I could quite fancy one of those new A-H boxen actually, there's this bit in my EMS AKS manual about putting the synthesiser in the feedback loop of the delay, and reprocessing the echoes as they come round. I've never had a long enough echo to get any kind of worthwhile effect, plus now I have modular gear!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I know I always sound cranky on these Fripp threads (especially in light of how I always post on them. And I'm 100% with the main points of dleone's review in the 2nd paragraph.

I just flinch like a loon when I hear discussion of Fripp & Eno's physical innovations, when they were actually nil (though what they accomplished with the delay set up was inspirational, there were many equally amazing records already in wide release) -- dubbing his setup 'Frippertronics' was a brilliant bit of PR that's obscured the discussion on the genre of loop based music. Which is an issue precisely because it's such a big field, a huge outgrowth of electronic, feedback-driven music making in general -- it's all loops. Ways for single performers to make huge amounts of noise.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:21 (sixteen years ago) link

No one's really arguing that Fripp and Eno invented the idea of additive delay. But I'd still argue that "Frippertronics," as defined above, was considerably more than the 'delay and decay' setup you describe. Yes, a whole host of people have used that basic idea for their own music, but honestly, no one's ever sounded like Fripp's (take Let the Power Fall, for instance) -- largely, I think, because a critical part of his particular setup (which seems to be less important on those 'Soundscapes' records) was in how he controlled his guitar sound with the volume, wah, and fuzz pedals. I mean, a lot of it doesn't really even sound like guitar at all. Also, there was the way he adapted it (however clumsily) to pop. All in all, pretty unique, I think.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 00:40 (sixteen years ago) link

>No one's really arguing that Fripp and Eno invented the idea of additive delay.

past arguments with Fripp fanatics are haunting me, but everyone besides me is being quite reasonable here, so apologies. Let The Power Fall is an outstanding record. The bootlegs are great too, Scary Monsters caliber solos atop the walls...

(Jon L), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 04:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I just downloaded the Kitchen tapes from '78(?) and the SF recordings a year later. Haven't gotten a chance to hear them yet, though.

Also, on the inner sleeve of my God Save the Queen copy on vinyl, he says outright something to the effect of "In fairness, others have used this delay system before me." I'll get the real quote later...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:16 (sixteen years ago) link

As I'd mentioned earlier, from Eric Tamm's book on Fripp:

"The end of the Drive to 1981 was timed to coincide with an event of astrological significance, an alignment of the planets to take place on September 11, 1981, at which time, Fripp evidently believed, mankind was in for an awakening of apocalyptic import."

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
I would like to reiterate how weird the above happenstance is. Has he said anything about it since 9/11?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 17 April 2005 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Robert Fripp has a new Soundscape CD out, and it is entitled Love Cannot Bear.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Fripp knew

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I mentioned it on one of the King Crimson threads, but DGM Live has gone live after at least a year of hinting by Fripp that it was coming. They're offering whole shows for download (128k MP3 and FLAC) — among the first batch to go up is the Nov 2000 World Financial Center soundscapes. Frippertronics is big on everyone's wishlist at the site's guestbook.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Frippertronics is big on everyone's wishlist at the site's guestbook.

How do you mean?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Like, people want him to post the Kitchen Tapes?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Like, several people (not "everybody," I was being hyperbolic) have requested Frippertronics, and Sid Smith (who wrote the KC bio a few years ago and is now on the DGM payroll) has noted the requests:

Clearly there's been a demand for Frippertronics and it's our intention to make some of these available as the site grows and develops. More Soundscapes will be uploaded onto the site in the near future and the KC 2003 shows are also currently under consideration.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:23 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Jan. 11 RF diary entry:

Just spoken to Steve Martin of The Agency in NYC. Soundscape performances are about to be confirmed for the end of February in Athens, Atlanta, Chattanooga, Nashville, Memphis, St. Louis & a few others.

truck-patch pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 14 January 2006 02:52 (fifteen years ago) link

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Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 14 January 2006 02:58 (fifteen years ago) link

six years pass...

rad little bit of frippertronics: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/matte-kudasai-solo/id129950531?i=109855476
the Matte Kudasai Solo isolated.

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:09 (nine years ago) link

Found an original copy of the Pleasures In Pieces bootleg a while back, which Tamm raves about in his book. Rightly so, it's a gem.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:27 (nine years ago) link

that's this thing right? http://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?&show=1172
i need to keep up with the DGM Live thing, had no idea they had put out that 1975 eno/fripp show officially.

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:34 (nine years ago) link

I thought Pleasure In Pieces was at the Kitchen in SoHo.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:39 (nine years ago) link

oh maybe? i haven't heard it.

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:52 (nine years ago) link

did a whole sacred songs/peter gabriel 2/exposure listening marathon last week and it ruled

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 17 May 2013 15:13 (seven years ago) link

His and Toyah's appearance on All Star Mr. and Mrs. from a week or two ago:


That was outstanding. They are, like, the sweet old couple that never fell out of love (largely because she still wears the leather outfits).

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 17 May 2013 15:40 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Frippertronics emulator - VST plugin

http://synth.me/music-gear/elottronix-xl-free-frippertronics-emulator-vst

WilliamC, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 12:00 (seven years ago) link

bweep-aweepabweep

two years pass...

So, you can get mp3s of Fripp's entire 1979 and 1981 Frippertronics tours at DGM Live for $60 and $45 respectively. Kind of cool.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 23 May 2016 00:13 (four years ago) link

Looks like those are the FLAC prices — mp3s are even cheaper, $46 and $35. Tempting...

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Monday, 23 May 2016 00:57 (four years ago) link

Ooh yes, that is tempting.

I've been listening to some of Fripp's Soundscapes the last few days – his digital Frippertronics that he deployed solo in the 90s as well as with Sylvian, The Orb and on various other electronica collabs during the decade. At the time I found much of that work a bit bloodless – his original Revox/"Fripple board" setup was so wonderful but more than that, unusual-sounding, the newer setup couldn't help but suffer by comparison. But the further I get from those records, the more I think he was doing some really interesting work during that era – and it made total sense why he was in such demand. Some favorites:

Bringing Down the Light (with David Sylvian)
The Cathedral of Tears
FFWD/Orbert – the Orb collaboration and the 51-minute bootleg tape, recorded and mixed by Kris Weston before Paterson added his prototypical dub echoes, humor and sound effects. Consists mostly of Frippertronics/Soundcapes and keyboard pads.
Terminus (with the Orb)
Can of Bliss (FFWD)

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:23 (four years ago) link

Still haven't pulled the trigger on the 79/81 Frippertronics tours. But did grab that World Financial Centre show from November, 2000 -- and here is a great Soundscapes performance of Fripp's from a few years back on the radio -- not dissimilar to The Equatorial Stars, with a nice interview as well where he describes the evolution of Frippertronics to Soundscapes:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/105064-robert-fripps-soundscapes-live-2010/

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 23 May 2016 20:32 (four years ago) link

Soundscapes signal path:

http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/features/rig-tour/robert-fripp/signal-path-650-80.jpg

FIVE Eventide Harmonizers.

I love this stuff. Also: I'm a bit drunk.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 22:36 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

WTC show from November 2000 is incredibly good. Now that digital synthesis is getting a second look, you'd be crazy to sleep on these Soundscapes recordings. Some are among the best things Fripp ever did, I shit you not.

Full admission: I'm a bit drunk again.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 7 January 2017 22:02 (four years ago) link

So, you can get mp3s of Fripp's entire 1979 and 1981 Frippertronics tours at DGM Live for $60 and $45 respectively. Kind of cool.

Can you link directly to this? I'm not seeing it. Finding the DGM site a little confusing to navigate.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 9 January 2017 03:45 (four years ago) link

I can't find it either. I think the site has been rejigged since May and is still something of a work in progress. Suspect it's not available at the moment.

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 9 January 2017 09:54 (four years ago) link

Yes, noticed the new redesign the other day. Every link is broken.

I said this elsewhere but Fripp's 2006 Churchscapes tour of English cathedrals is mind blowingly good. $20 for something like 6 shows on DGM when it's back online.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 04:54 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

Robert Fripp's 1978 Frippertronics show at The Kitchen, NYC now available to download...https://t.co/asXGhFOtpC pic.twitter.com/MuOCdWcj9K

— KING CRIMSON (@DGMHQ) December 23, 2019

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 23 December 2019 13:08 (one year ago) link

Not sure about the date but I believe this is the Pleasure in Pieces boot described upthread at the correct speed, running order, etc. Sounds like a similar approach to how they restored the famously bootlegged Fripp & Eno Paris shows from the mid-70s:

05FEB 1978

By the time Robert Fripp arrived at The Kitchen, one of New York’s leading avant-garde arts spaces, King Crimson had been declared dead and buried for nearly three and a half years. Having used the resulting space to spend time in search of personal equilibrium through a spiritual retreat, this public unveiling of Frippertronics presented Fripp as the living embodiment of the ‘small, independent, mobile and intelligent unit.’

Such was the demand to see the dapper-suited Englishman performing in New York, a second show was added on the night with long queues braving the freezing cold weather. The importance of the performance wasn’t lost on bootleggers and for several years a double LP of the first house show had been in circulation.

However, as Frippertronics expert as Al Okada observes this bootleg LP had been released at the wrong speed and with tracks appearing out of sequence. Listening to the work of DGM’s Alex ‘Stormy’ Mundy in restoring both the first and second houses, Okada says, “This new transfer, direct from the master tapes, enhanced with solos from bootlegged cassette recordings, has vastly improved on that sound quality. This is by far and away the ‘definitive version.’”

Al continues, “I am particularly struck by the opening section of 1st House-Loop I, which is very reminiscent of a fanfare. This was highly appropriate for the opening piece of the world premiere of Frippertronics. Loop II opening is also extremely memorable to my ears. There’s some great soloing on top of Loop IV with the end of that piece sounding like cars whizzing past on a highway.”

Okada comments that this show is important for another reason - the lack of any “beeping” type sounds that would be a hallmark of future performances. “Those sounds are created by a signal bypass switch, added to the pedalboard. It’s likely that at the time of this show, Fripp had not discovered this technique. All notes played here are either played directly or are swept in via volume pedal. This is a subtle yet distinct difference, distinguishing itself from all subsequent Frippertronics performances. 2nd House-Loop III at around 10 minutes in, Fripp creates some riveting sounds that can be best described as a fleet of dive-bombing wartime aircraft. These are just a few of the many highlights for me.”

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 23 December 2019 13:55 (one year ago) link

yes....will absolutely pay for this download.

akm, Monday, 23 December 2019 20:35 (one year ago) link

Dang gotta get that

tylerw, Monday, 23 December 2019 20:52 (one year ago) link

yes....will absolutely pay for this download.

So did I, expecting 320 kbps. They're 192 :-/ Flacs cost a little more so choose wisely.. Comes with a download for a cd-cover you can print and cut to fit though!

willem, Monday, 23 December 2019 21:16 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te0qfJUidHQ

stirmonster, Saturday, 9 May 2020 18:32 (eight months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiJH8TenrrQ

stirmonster, Saturday, 9 May 2020 18:39 (eight months ago) link

one more -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81NBo1L2TLY

stirmonster, Saturday, 9 May 2020 18:46 (eight months ago) link

jfc

Maresn3st, Saturday, 9 May 2020 19:24 (eight months ago) link

Not sure if I've read anywhere about nauseating tweeness being a side-effect of self-isolation?

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 May 2020 19:38 (eight months ago) link

oh cmon these are completely endearing.

akm, Saturday, 9 May 2020 20:23 (eight months ago) link

Er, OK?

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 May 2020 20:53 (eight months ago) link

they are saved by humor imo

listening to that Kitchen recording from Feb 1978, so freakin good

sleeve, Saturday, 9 May 2020 21:12 (eight months ago) link

i dunno I don't begrudge anyone their manner of trying to bring some brightness into the current situation, particularly someone who has the reputation of being as self-serious as Fripp.

Some italian guy took huge offence to these and Fripp reposted all his rants on FB last week.

akm, Saturday, 9 May 2020 22:02 (eight months ago) link

Fripp reposted all his rants on FB last week.

I'd say the dancing is for everyone else's enjoyment but the reposting was for his.

herds of unmasked cletuses (WmC), Saturday, 9 May 2020 23:09 (eight months ago) link

they are saved by humor imo

What humour? I suspect tolerance for this sort of middle class English whimsicality is a bit lower this side of the pond.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 May 2020 23:24 (eight months ago) link

seven months pass...

!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM9svvfhLxc

stirmonster, Monday, 14 December 2020 01:19 (one month ago) link

<3 what a joy, thanks for posting!

willem, Monday, 14 December 2020 07:10 (one month ago) link

Amazing :D

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 14 December 2020 08:06 (one month ago) link

Hostage video vibes there

Maresn3st, Monday, 14 December 2020 10:20 (one month ago) link

Possibly in standard tuning, too, so yeah, clearly being held prisoner.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 December 2020 20:41 (one month ago) link

It's definitely not in standard! Look at his fingers during the bassline in the verse and pick out the notes he's playing: the 6th string is tuned to a low C and the 5th is tuned down to G. Lol at the fingerings he uses to play the power chords.

They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Monday, 14 December 2020 21:09 (one month ago) link

I believe that's Fripp's New Standard Tuning.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 14 December 2020 21:22 (one month ago) link

"How can I make 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' hard to play?"

They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Monday, 14 December 2020 21:51 (one month ago) link

Yeah, actually, it did seem a bit weird looking to me. His New Standard is ... cello tuning?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 December 2020 22:19 (one month ago) link

C-G-D-A-E-G from the bottom.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 14 December 2020 22:29 (one month ago) link

It's the tuning that was taught in the Guitar Craft seminars. In his book, Eric Tamm describes how the students had to perform a new piece in public in this tuning. Tamm's composition was gentle, melodic and had a recurring C major chord, which made Fripp make retching sounds from the audience.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 14 December 2020 22:35 (one month ago) link

Will admit that using that tuning as a baseline standard seems kind of insane to me. Lol though that Fripp would object to someone writing a recurring C major chord in a tuning that spells out a C major pentatonic scale (with octave displacements natch).

They sold me a dream of Christmas (Sund4r), Monday, 14 December 2020 22:59 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khkKfMotNoI

StanM, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:17 (two weeks ago) link

...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:24 (two weeks ago) link

Lol at the stretches to play that in Guitar Craft tuning.

They did "Anarchy in the UK" in December as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEiNW4HmFPE

Sharp! Distance! (Sund4r), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:35 (two weeks ago) link

I love the idea that after decades of alternate tunings designed to make playing certain things easier, Fripp has devised and perfected the one alternate tuning designed to make everything harder.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:40 (two weeks ago) link

Content warnings on the comments for that first video

fish quits shock (Matt #2), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:47 (two weeks ago) link

lol I knew better than to look until your comment, so I looked, and some of those responses are as funny as they are predictable.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 January 2021 18:57 (two weeks ago) link

They, uh, don't seem to mind the response:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFaQExRwLUM

Inside there's a box and that box has another box within (Sund4r), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 01:28 (five days ago) link

can't wait for the studies and papers on lockdown syndrome ;)

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 01:35 (five days ago) link

I like to imagine Anita Dobson coming down to breakfast, hurling that newspaper headline in the face of Brian May with a disgusted "fucking Toyah!"

Brian thinks back to the last slightly tipsy garden barbeque at the Fripp-Wilcoxes, and sighs with a thought of what could have been, then gets up and slowly potters off to catalogue his plectrums again....

my opinionation (Hamildan), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 14:32 (five days ago) link


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