Bruce Springsteen - Classic or Dud ?

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I know he's bound to be considered a monstrous dud, especially with British folks and technoid types, but I'm especially curious as to why. Poor Bruce, he's gotta be more uncool than Richard Marx these days. Not that his 90s albums helped much.

Patrick, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yep, big fat dud. Always hated him. Crap songs that dominated 1984. Shit voice. The fucking E-street band. Never saw the point of Da Boss. It all when wrong early on when he was proclaimed The Future of Rock 'n Roll way back when. Okay so he wrote "Because the Night" and even that isn't too hot. Almost the perfect antipole of what I look for in music. Sorry, had to be predictable here.

Omar, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Born To Run" is a classic, up there with Roxy Music as an early example of po-mo cut-and-paste kitsch pop.

I can't get worked up and annoyed about Bruce in the way I can about some other rockers. He has an ear for a great line (the opening of "Hungry Heart" for instance) and I can forgive him a lot for that. He doesn't resonate with me and like the Replacements I think that's a cultural thing.

I also - and this is totally subjective - never get the impression Bruce ever thinks he's particularly cool. Which is not something I can say of most other 'real rock'n'roller' types, mainstream or otherwise.

Tom, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

BROOOOCE!

File under yet to be discovered. I was listening to an apologetic defence of his work from Sean Rowley on the radio the other day, and it got me wondering again. People of my generation's first real exposure to him was the 'Born in the USA' air-punching era and that obviously wasn't likely to engender much interest. Yes, I know it was all ironic.

What I have heard of his 70's stuff sounds like I might grow to love it. That midwest blue-collar world his songs inhabit seems harder to relate to than any other, but even in 1988, I had the feeling Paddy McAloon was missing the point with the song 'Cars & Girls'.

At the moment, I'm afraid the song of his I like best is a 90s one - 'If I Should Fall Behind', which I only know from the Grant McLellan cover version.

Badly Drawn Boy is a Springsteen obsessive, which I thought was quite cute.

Nick, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I guess if want a simple answer as to why he's treated with disdain by the certain people, it's his overwhelming aura of earnestness.

N.

Nick, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Paddy McAloon is an odd one, because he'd already missed a very similar point with "Faron Young", and then said in interviews that he'd missed it, and then proceeded to miss it again. I can't stand "Cars And Girls".

Tom, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

i admit i don't like all of the boss's stuff. i haven't even tried to, really. but "nebraska" and "ghost of tom joad" are terrific records.

matthew stevens, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic all the way as well. Soft-spot. As a youth I hated him (I was 7 in 1984 and "Born in the USA" was nowhere as fun as "Karma Chameleon" - I wanted to be Boy George, not some sweaty guy with a baseball cap tucked in his blue jeans). But in my teens I kept hearing fantastic pop tracks on the classic rock radio ("Badlands" for instance), and my English teacher once had us work on the lyrics to "The River" - the long live version with the speech at the beginning - so I went out and purchased a few Springsteen albums. For the record, there's always been City Simon who likes the Dead Boys and the Damned, and Countryside Simon who likes Ry Cooder and the Sundays, and somehow Springsteen linked these two sides of me beautifully. From "Thunder Road" to "Highway Patrolman" (I bought "Nebraska" after seeing Sean Penn's haunting "Indian Runner") to "I'm On Fire", Springsteen's songs have accompanied me through important journeys, love affairs and dry winters.

Simon, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, same as Simon, I used to dislike Bruce too at first, in 1984. I was into British synth-pop at the time and to me, he was just some old guy making a comeback, like John Fogerty or something. And I definitely agree that "Cars And Girls" song makes that Prefab Sprout guy look like a pretentious little twit. I kinda get the feeling that a lot of people dislike him (Bruce) because he's never had much of a sex-and-drugs-and-darkness-and-destruction image (even though Nebraska is as dark as 10000 Trent Reznors).

Patrick, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

DUDE! There is not excuse for even asking this, totally classic, baby. Born To Run (the album and the song) is one of the most glorious moments in rock-pop ever, out Spector-ing Phil Spector. His voice is only crap when he decides to pretend he's Bob Dylan, which is becoming frightfully more and more common. Sure, a lot of the Born In The USA-era stuff is dated now due to production value but it's still got some very solid songwriting.

And yes, Tom, he's got a very good ear for a line.

Ally, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I get to piss on the parade here. Yay me!

I heard the version of "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town" when I was young and that is pretty spiff, I freely agree. Circa 1984, liking El Bruce was unsurprising for me as that was a pretty damn good radio year -- Chuck Eddy specifically called it as such in _Stairway to Hell_, and he was goddamn right. Thus liking all that stuff he made was a matter of course alongside all those singles from _Purple Rain_ and _Like A Virgin_ and etc.

Time went on and I proceeded to not care. I never cared enough to buy an album anyway, and the 'classic early singles' only made sense in my classic rock phase, which lasted about nine months in senior year.

Then I ended up in LA and encountered the first of Robert Hilburn's 345,234,843 printed sermons on How Bruce Springsteen Heals the Sick, Raises the Dead and Means More to Human Existence Than the Combined Efforts of Louis Pasteur, Billie Holiday and Charles Schulz. I encountered other blowhards. The music touched me with the impact of a dying flea. A roommate was obsessed with him to the point of near mania. I cried.

The end.

Frankly, the Walkabouts any day of the goddamn week, month, year, decade, century, etc. If the relative fame levels were reversed, I would cling to this assumption with even more deep, abiding passion because then I would have The People on my side. Even alone, though, it's comfy. And Frankie Goes to Hollywood's version of "Born to Run" is my fave.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

The Wild, the Innocent, and the E-Street Shuffle is a terrific album. Also the live boxed set. Also, The River. Also, hell. Also almost everything thru Tunnel Of Love. One of those artists who you need the right "mood" to get. Or, just to be driving a car.

Sterling Clover, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

CLASSIC.

i actually liked born_in_the_u.s.a when it came out at age 7, but later, i found it to be an obstacle in getting to love bruce, and i'm sure there are a ton of artists out there whose work at that time has kept people away from them.

as sterling said, it's funny what driving a car can do, especially when it's another dark and lonely night out on an empty anonymous new jersey highway and "born to run" comes on the highway. but i've been there, so i'll move on.

you can get by on the first five or so albums on the music and production alone -- unless of course you hate phil spector and are, therefore, destined to spend eternity in hell -- and the later stuff will stick if you find something in the lyrics that rings far too true. sure, he mines the same territory in a lot of his songs, but so do belle & sebastian and so did the smiths; except the kids in bruce's songs could kick the ass of their counterparts in the aforementioned.

ned, i think you have the same problem as tom: it's a cultural thing. ;)

fred from new jersey, Friday, 23 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Ooh. The dark and lonely highways of despair. *plays the violin*

It's not a cultural thing; I mean for god's sake Motorcycle Emptiness might as well be Bruce Springsteen on a literacy trip in terms of subject, and I know Tom likes the song, and I believe Ned does too. Whether that particular statement was tongue in cheek or not, it's a tired excuse and reasoning, one usually used by the saddest of Bruce Springsteen fans, the ones who "identify" with his sentiments, seemingly losing track of the fact that BRUCE'S CHARACTERS NEVER ACTUALLY MAKE IT OUT. Some positive role models to rock out to.

The thing is, I think it's the voice and the earnestness, which was already said. The stylistic values of it....the basic cultural and escape sentiments, lyrically, of Motorcycle Emptiness and Born to Run might be very similar in tone, but the style and vocalisings are entirely, 100% different. Bruce has a very sarcastic bent, a very dark bent, lyrically, but his style of music softens the blow and sometimes people just don't like it.

And those people are wrong, incidentally :P

Ally, Saturday, 24 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

2 albums are CLASSIX: 'Darkness on the Edge of Town' and especially 'Greetings from Asbury Park, NJ'.

Nebraska is half good but doesn't deserve the plaudits it gets as the Springsteen album it's cool to like.

The rest is pretty much DUD.

alex thomson, Saturday, 24 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Oh yes, he's a dud..."

Nevermind that Born in the USA was my first record not meant to be played on the Fisher Price record player (with the STEEL NEEDLE)

Nevermind Tracks Nevermind the fact that Born to Run is one of the best driving albums ever when your top is down and it's summer and the road between Ventura and home stretches out and empty at night with no cops...

Nevermind he has out Dylan-ed Dylan

Nevermind that he can outrage The Man as he pushes the dark side of life. (41 Shots)

Nevermind the line "The record company Rosie, JUST GAVE ME A BIG ADVANCE!"

Nevermind the Live box set, reminding us just how powerful he was

Nevermind Time and Newsweek

Nevermind Thunder-Fucking-Road

Nevermind The cover of Jersey Girl

Nevermind Tracks

Nevermind the MTV Unplugged set where he scrapped the entire notion of an acoustic show and just plugged in and tore down the house

Nevermind everyone on this list who called him a dud.

JM, Saturday, 24 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Nevermind he has out Dylan-ed Dylan"

well, Bruce isn't *that* bad! ;)

Omar, Saturday, 24 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

The entirety of the lyrics to Rosalita are a Great Rock Moment, Jimmy. Don't just single out that line ;)

Ally, Saturday, 24 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I note your list, Jimmy, and yet, somehow, it makes no sense to me. ;- )

La Bruce just collectively calls to my mind a stunted bastard vision of music that presumes he was the sole carrier of the 'spirit of rock and roll truth' that the Beatles and Stones 'started' in the sixties. A CLAIM I HAVE ENCOUNTERED MORE THAN ONCE, though thankfully not here, and happily never from the man's own lips either, at least to my knowledge. Without that rhetoric I would just shrug and ignore him for somebody more interesting, but with it, frankly, he becomes a very very useful target to kick against. Perhaps only a straw man, but one I wouldn't mind seeing go up in flames.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Springsteen is, doubtless, a spirit of a rock and roll truth, which he has a near monopoly on. I think, maybe, if I had grown up in a real city, instead of a tourist-trap disneyburb retirement town, that whole swaths of music wouldn't resonate with me. But there I was, and I don't know if you have to have that certain feeling to get Bruce. If you have to know that you're suffocating, that you'd rather die than stay, that the air was too think to dream in, if you have to have known that.

The boy has fallen off of late, but... I'm reminded of the Bangs article where he describes how he dismissed this Maoist band as sounding like Bruce, and the band replied "oh, good, the working class like that stuff" or something of the sort, and I'm reading this thinking -- no. no. no. The correct answer is "oh, good. Bruce fucking rocks!"

What I appreciate about Bruce is how he can capture the majesty of a major chord. How so many of his songs have the same progression, but you don't realize it 'till you try to play 'em yourself. How he can take gospel music and write it to a girl instead. And yes, more of them damn anthems.

I mean.. I know that anthems aren't an alien concept to the UK -- after all, The Who were full of them. But maybe British anthems are a different type a "get off of my cloud" or "sod off" type, more cynical and pissy than dreamy and wide-eyed. Maybe this is, after all, because America is The Big Country, The Great Bitch, et cet. Maybe to get America you have to get just how there's always somewhere you might go, maybe.

Along these lines, "Not Fade Away" which is a novel by Jim Dodge is a great rock road story, sort of like the lighter side of Richard Hell's "Go Now" or the more earnest(?) side of Bruce McCullough's "Doors Fan" sketch (on his album, Shame-Based Man). Yes. Get that spirit of the open highway.

Sterling Clover, Sunday, 25 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

A dud, but only because of unpleasant memories of listening attentively to my copies of *The River* and *Live 1975-1985* like a good rock-critic-in-training, and finding it impossible to feel anything about them other than apathy. He's done a goodly number of really great ones such as "Hungry Heart," "Dancing In The Dark," and "Racing in the Street" but he invariably makes my mind wander after more than a couple songs.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 25 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I have to say Classic, though I can see why some could argue otherwise. Looming large is the cultural gap, for our friends from the Eastern Hemisphere. Hard to tune in to what Springsteen has going on from there. But those first three records are great, still, and Nebraska is also excellent when you're in the mood. In 1984 I owned about 15 albums total, and even then I had Springsteen's entire catalog. So I'm definitely biased. All of Born in the USA is horrible now. That production really sinks it, even though half the songs are strong.

Mark Richardson, Sunday, 25 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I should note that, being American myself, the Cultural Gap thing is rather overrated as an explanation. ;-)

I will say, though, that I do lack a car and have never had one. That might serve as a better explanation. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Nah... I don't even have a driver's license and I love the man. Cars are my favorite place to listen to music though.

Patrick, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

The Automobile as Stationary Listening Environment. How revolutionary.

I wish I wasn't misinterpreting.

Otis Wheeler, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Uh... I meant when *someone else* is driving, Otis.

Patrick, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Thank god, otherwise it sounds like something Thom Yorke would do.

Ally, Tuesday, 27 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Smashing, in loads of ways. You have to get used to REPETITION with the Boss - you have to get used to the idea that he is frequently writing pretty much the same song again and again, and is *not apologizing for it*. On Nebraska (yes, probably still the best LP, for my money; but I like lots of the others) he even repeats the same lyrics. The whole rock-writer idea of originality, uniqueness etc is just not in play with a lot of the Boss's stuff: to stretch a point, it's less like a load of individual songs, more like a single fabric that he is reweaving for as long as he likes. In that sense he's something akin to a bluesman, I suppose.

Inspirational in some ways. I have often felt that England needed a Springsteen, albeit not just a a copycat 'rocker'; I mean, someone who would write about all the lost and found small-town lives. But to be fair, I suppose there is already a UK tradition here: the probably Jarvis Cocker is a case in point.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 28 February 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, but that's what you're doing yourself, Reynard :).

Robin Carmody, Friday, 2 March 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Dud. Never cared much for Brooce's brand of schlock n' roll....Heard "Greetings from.." and "Darkness at the edge of town" and they just sounded like MOR to me. "Nebraska" I do like however but thats even got "Used cars" on it...like used cars are a symbol of poverty...pah!...There isnt too many highways in Ireland and if there was I wouldnt spend time listening to Springsteen...

Michael Bourke, Sunday, 4 March 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
A part of the reason he's not being taken too kindly by them there "hip" folks is:

1. they don't understand that he's actually not as "pro-america" as they might think he is

2. they don't have as close a connection to "old school" code (which includes "old school" rock)

3. they are mostly college kids on their way up to some office job or whatever that is removed (if not far removed) from the "underworld" (the "blue collar" or "real" world) to get the lyrical sentiments

4. well, and...sometimes people just don't like something 'cause they just don't like it

I, however, do not apply to any of those 4. For I actually do "get" some of the appeal of Bruce (albeit, it took my until my mid or late twenties to get there). Sure, his overly sentimental (downright broadway or maudlin) look at the working class can be a bit (or a bunch) too much. And sure, his music can be too simple and/or too derivitive. But, that's a part of the whole. Familiarity in both music and lyrics, is a large part of the appeal of his stuff (and those like him, ala Mellencamp, etc). He just had the concept to put nearly a whole career on the working class/blue collar life like no other has (not in such a wide reaching broad sense, at least - other than Mellencamp, but Bruce did it a bit better and first).

Classics:

Having said all that, 'Nebraska' and 'Ghost of Tom Joad' are the only two full albums that I would declare anywhere near a "classic" state of existence (with 'Nebraska' being the one clear-cut vote). Many of the rest of his 70's and 80's albums have some good solid worthy singles on them, but. I can't go so far as to get 'The River' (for example) anywhere near a "classic" nod. That one, in particular, I find to be overrated (though still having the wonderful track "Stolen Car" and the title track deserving of 'Nebraska'-like attention).

michael g. breece, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow. I'm digging this message board "I Love Music". To think one would find a mention of Bruce McCulloch 'Shame Based Man' in a Bruce Springsteen thread, ahhh...the possibilities.

Anyways, I forgot to mention to huge (to the point of shadowing) element as to one of the why's (or why not's) of enjoy/appreciating Bruce. Which is: DRIVING. Cars and driving is such a central and/or reoccuring figure/subject in his work that...I can't believe I forgot to touch upon that (only after reading some of the others posts, darn it). But yea, I do LOVE to drive. Which also helps to explain the appeal of Springsteen (to me, at least).

*By the way, I do own that McCulloch album 'Shame Based Man' and...love it (some really funny stuff and one of the very rare comedy albums worthy of many plays - if not it's own discussion here on "I Love Music"...anyone?). Every single one of my girlfriends (one present, others past) hated it. "And if (after torching the stolen car) you can still hear the Doors playing...then you have become...a DOORS...FAN!" I'm not a Doors fan, however.

michael g. breece, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

MG Breece (hey, sounds like a car): I wonder whether you agree with me that a large part of the point of the Boss is repetition - the fact that he does the same thing over and over again?

the pinefox, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I listened to Born To Run riding the bus to work today. This is the first CD I ever purchased, back in 1985 (I'd already bought a few LPs), and I still have my original copy. Don't believe that business about CD rot -- it's doing fine.

I hadn't listened to this record in a couple of years, but god, it still sounded great. Actually, I kept getting shivers down my spine when it was playing and it had me close to tears a few times (mostly on "Thunder Road" and "Backstreets.") Listening to this today finally settled an ILM debate for me: Music can never affect me quite as much now as it did when I was a teenager. No record I've heard in the last few years, including Loveless, has had as much affect on me as Born to Run did this morning, and I know it's not just because Born to Run is such a great album. This is a record that got to me when I was young and emotionally vulnerable in a way that I'm not anymore, at the age of 32. I still feel music very deeply and appreciate and enjoy a wider range of music than ever, but music doesn’t completely overpower me the way it did when I was 15. Oh well.

Springsteen is still a big classic, by the way, despite all the incredibly corny lines on Born to Run.

Mark, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how he lets the words of "Born to Run" tumble out of his mouth, like a horse taking a dump.

DeRayMi, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how he lets the words of "Born to Run" tumble out of his mouth, like a horse taking a dump.

So much for my epiphany...;0)

Mark, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway: classic, though not a personal favorite.

DeRayMi, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
I finally bought a Springsteen record! (The G Hits, even though I know it's got lots of shite on, cause I like owning G Hits). It's pretty great up to the point at which it isn't. Let's talk about Bruce again!

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

the new one that ponefix and dq agreed on is unfortunately quite boring as to its actual like, er, sound – hence i only played it once so far, curse you persuasive fellows

"candy's room" is the grebtest song ever written about being in love w. a prostitute when you sound a bit like david bowie

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom if you ever feel like owning a whole album I have you pegged as a River man. At what point does G hits peter out?

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

"My Hometown" is the first one I didn't really enjoy. "Brilliant Disguise" sounds laboured. After that I don't 'get it' yet (or it sucks).

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

(It's obviously my Mark Pitchfork day cos I also bought Vision Creation Newsun!)

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

"candy's room" is the grebtest song ever written about being in love w. a prostitute when you sound a bit like david bowie

Is this a new genre? Cos that'd be fucking incredible.

I still love Bruce Springsteen. Put on Rosalita and you will see me go insane.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

So will I.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Right, so next time you are in NYC, that's what we shall do.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Meat Loaf almost makes me want to like him.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't explain exactly WHY I would go insane, but hey.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't need to ask ;)

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

All is well. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link

"Candy's Room" was the first Bruce song I wuvved.

alext (alext), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

xp I like Bruce, I like his stories even though I've heard them all before, I like that he's making a genuine effort to actually talk about race. I sometimes find him a little self-satisfied these days, a little in love with the sound of his own voice and with the narratives that he's created about his life, but I can deal with that, because he's earned it imo and there are still genuine, charming moments when his natural weirdness still comes through.

You put him and Obama together, though, and Obama actually has a kind of similar vibe to me - that charming openness that goes only so far and no further, that glossy expertise in controlling the narrative and making it seem natural - and together they reinforce that quality in each other, where a good outside interviewer would have cut through it.

Or maybe it's just that it's a lot easier to let myself be charmed by Bruce Springsteen, rock star, than by a former president, even if he's a former president that I still like okay. That Bruce and Barack took a while to become friends because Bruce was shy, but then they got drunk together and sang show tunes, should be a really cute story, but I can't help bringing to it a whole bunch of preexisting attitudes about celebrity friendships and the policies of the Obama administration, along with the mental image of a script with "relatable!" and "humanizing!" scribbled in the margin.

That's why I said I'm trying not to overthink it - because overthinking it is clearly my natural instinct, and I do enjoy hearing Bruce's voice and his thoughts and stories.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 17:44 (one week ago) link

it's definitely too important to Obama to be friends with celebrities. (i say as someone who used to love Obama and who learned not to love politicians from my intense disappointment with him during and after his presidency.)

horseshoe, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 17:55 (one week ago) link

he pled guilty to drinking in a closed area drunkenness on the edge of town

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:15 (one week ago) link

what is the closed area they speak of? a car?

tobo73, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:28 (one week ago) link

the soul of a man who's seen it all, worked his fingers to the bone, and just can't catch a break

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:40 (one week ago) link

i would like the record to reflect that i was in the dumps with the mumps when along came those chumps with a little promise of some relief

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:42 (one week ago) link

You put him and Obama together, though, and Obama actually has a kind of similar vibe to me - that charming openness that goes only so far and no further, that glossy expertise in controlling the narrative and making it seem natural -

I just finished the new Cary Grant bio, in which the author reaches a similar conclusion and Grant himself acknowledged it when alive.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:50 (one week ago) link

what is the closed area they speak of? a car?

― tobo73, Wednesday, February 24, 2021 11:28 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

he was in a park that was closed at night iirc?

himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:51 (one week ago) link

A national park where there's no alcohol allowed.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:08 (one week ago) link

Parkness on the edge of town

4 QAnon Blondes (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:18 (one week ago) link

Even if we're just drinkin' in the park

4 QAnon Blondes (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:20 (one week ago) link

If the story about fans ambushing Bruce so they could offer him tequila is true, then I guess he is, indeed, easily found.

xp to Alfred:
"Everyone wants to be Cary Grant. Even I want to be Cary Grant." - Cary Grant

"People see you onstage and, yeah, I'd want to be that guy. I want to be that guy myself very often." - Bruce Springsteen

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:23 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzlPd_PZVCM

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:25 (one week ago) link

Free tequila, jump a little lighter
Free tequila, come sit by my fire

this machine grills fajitas (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 20:29 (one week ago) link

Okay, this one is good ^

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 22:18 (one week ago) link

Huh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8AClJsbO6o

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 22:48 (one week ago) link

Isn’t that great? WXRT used to play it with some regularity in the ‘80s.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:03 (one week ago) link

I’ve heard of Stanley Clarke but I’m afraid I am unfamiliar with this gentleman.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:19 (one week ago) link

That's actually a brilliant idea - one wonders if it was inspired by Grandmaster Flash. I wish it eased off on the echo and the gimmicky effects.

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:21 (one week ago) link

(The idea being a hip-hop cover, that is a Black perspective, of a massively popular rock song about Vietnam vets.)

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:24 (one week ago) link

I keep having to stifle the instinct to duck to avoid being hit by one of those sprung bass strings.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:27 (one week ago) link

Better sounding version here, because we all deserve it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgGtViqj-ps

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 February 2021 01:28 (one week ago) link

Kinda wish their prior album was called "Fuck Around".

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 25 February 2021 01:30 (one week ago) link

A+ post

that's not my post, Friday, 26 February 2021 02:57 (one week ago) link

haha wow that's really something

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 February 2021 03:14 (one week ago) link

This thread went from "Bruce is an alcoholic who betrayed an auto corporation" to "Bruce took a shot with fans and Ranger Dick pulled him over."

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 26 February 2021 14:00 (one week ago) link

Definitely scuttled whatever controversy the Jeep ad engendered! It's a multiple win for Bruce. Jeep ad goes away, NJ police look foolish busting the Boss for stupid reasons, and reaffirms his man of the people status in a way that no car commercial could ever do. I hope he writes a silly song about it.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 February 2021 14:33 (one week ago) link

The Jeep ad is back, fwiw

stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Friday, 26 February 2021 15:00 (one week ago) link

This thread went from "Bruce is an alcoholic who betrayed an auto corporation" to "Bruce took a shot with fans and Ranger Dick pulled him over."

Yup, I fucked up. In my defense, Bruce admits to lots of drunk and reckless driving in his memoir, and how often do rich famous white guys get busted for stuff and turn out to be innocent? Still, I definitely overreacted. This came out on the same day as the Joss Whedon allegations, and I think I was just on a general anger kick.

I wish they'd used this as an excuse to suppress the Jeep ad forever.

Lily Dale, Friday, 26 February 2021 15:27 (one week ago) link

Has anyone advanced the theory that is was all an elaborate ruse timed to coincide with the launch of the Spotify podcast (the way they do when pop stars get engaged or something right before an album drops)?

stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Friday, 26 February 2021 15:36 (one week ago) link

This thread went from "Bruce is an alcoholic who betrayed an auto corporation" to "Bruce took a shot with fans and Ranger Dick pulled him over."

biggest surprise twist itt this week is: i'm not sure anymore who does my favorite version of 'born in the usa'

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 26 February 2021 15:45 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzbl6n7Mqjo

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 February 2021 16:20 (one week ago) link

The Jeep ad is back, fwiw

― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Friday, February 26, 2021 10:00 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm hearing "the ad is back" to the tune of this ad (which Bruce was offered millions to do, and turned it down):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXrnDrGRNkk

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 February 2021 17:06 (one week ago) link

sorry I'm still stuck on bruce springsteen and president barack obama hosting a podcast called "renegades"

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Friday, 26 February 2021 17:17 (one week ago) link

its been a wild & rocky ride this last couple of weeks but i guess fair is fair and i am now heading out to lease a well equipped 2021 Jeep Cherokee 80th anniversary edition starting at only $199 a month no money down

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 26 February 2021 17:19 (one week ago) link

xp Equally absurd that the first episode is called "Outsiders: an unlikely friendship." They are not outsiders, nor is their friendship unlikely.

Lily Dale, Friday, 26 February 2021 18:03 (one week ago) link

I haven't listened to it, but the episode description references "growing up as outsiders." Is that not accurate in Bruce's case? Seems accurate for Obama.

stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:05 (one week ago) link

Yeah, it is very much about growing up as outsiders, and in that sense it's accurate for both of them.

Lily Dale, Friday, 26 February 2021 18:09 (one week ago) link

But they're both very much insiders now, so as much as it's meaningful to them to reflect on having been outsiders growing up, as a title I think it's a bit off. The "unlikely friendship" part of it also seems forced to me. They're two rich, famous, liberal Boomers who met on the campaign trail; it feels a bit manipulative to have them pitched to us like they're a horse and a puppy in a Budweiser ad.

Lily Dale, Friday, 26 February 2021 18:16 (one week ago) link

I agree their friendship doesn't seem so unlikely on its face.

stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:27 (one week ago) link

Eh, assuming they are actually friends and not just friendly, I'm not sure how many presidents are friends with huge rock stars. Besides besties Elvis and Nixon, of course.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 February 2021 18:31 (one week ago) link

i enjoyed the conversation so far

but i mean, this is cliched i know but it really is what it us” if it sounds like something you’d enjoy, you prob will. if it sounds like something you’d hate, likewise. it’s not going to convert anyone.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:32 (one week ago) link

ugh - i meant - it really “is what it is”

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:33 (one week ago) link

Has anyone advanced the theory that is was all an elaborate ruse timed to coincide with the launch of the Spotify podcast (the way they do when pop stars get engaged or something right before an album drops)?

― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Friday, February 26, 2021 9:36 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol at the idea of a podcast with Obama and Springsteen being lacking in promotion or awareness

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:35 (one week ago) link

^it's the same with a release by a major pop star! and yet ppl sometimes insist anything/everything in their private lives is some constructed event for PR purposes. (to be clear, that's what i'm clowning on, not the podcast)

stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:36 (one week ago) link

ah sorry gotcha

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:47 (one week ago) link

waiting for the Trump/Marilyn Manson podcast

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 26 February 2021 18:52 (one week ago) link

I'm enjoying the podcast tbh, I think I just feel the need to be snarky about the messaging because it works so well on me. Behind all my criticism beats a heart that reacts to all this blatant emotional manipulation with "Aww, Frog and Toad Are Friends!"

Lily Dale, Friday, 26 February 2021 20:00 (one week ago) link

I think it would be much better received without the stupid & annoying promo language accompanying it

Like, PLEASE stop calling my hamburger “a bridge to a brighter tomorrow” and stop playing ‘Ebony and Ivory’ while i’m trying to eat it

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 February 2021 20:35 (one week ago) link

Listening to the second ep of the podcast, where they start out by talking about Clarence. It’s interesting because I still think the whole thing feels much too comfortable and practiced, but there are these occasional moments where humanity breaks through.

Bruce has told the same stories about Clarence so many times, often in the exact same words you get here, and at times it seems like Obama is pushing for more from Bruce than he gets. He points out that Clarence couldn’t have a successful music career without allying himself to a younger, less experienced white man, and that’s an interesting perspective that Bruce doesn’t really respond to; he just goes into the same reflection we’ve heard before, about how lonely it was for Clarence as the only Black person in the band. But then there’s a moment when Obama just says, “You miss him,” and Bruce finally breaks from the script and starts searching for the right words, as if this is a question that deserves a real, unrehearsed answer. And what he comes up with is very simple, and sort of incoherent, and I find it very moving.

It was 45 years of your life you don’t… you know, you don’t… It’s never something that comes again.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 02:11 (four days ago) link


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