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I've only heard a few, but I'm sure some of you Prince fans can do much better.

1. Sign O' the Times
2. 1999
3. Controversy
4. Dirty Mind
5. Come
6. Musicology

I haven't heard any others, but that will change soon. Help me out.

Peter Tonishishon, Friday, 6 August 2004 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to have nine, but I sold a couple. From best to seventh-best:

1.Purple Rain
2.1999
3.Around The World In A Day
4.Dirty Mind
5.Diamonds And Pearls
6.Chaos & Disorder
7.The Black Album

"Dirty Mind"s complete lack of acid-rock guitar robbed it of its otherwise-deserved #2 spot. I really do need to get "Sign o The Times" someday, considering how frequently it tops people's lists.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 6 August 2004 07:16 (nineteen years ago) link

"Rank Prince Albums"? - Batman.

Huey (Huey), Friday, 6 August 2004 11:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Get "Parade". Now.

Huey (Huey), Friday, 6 August 2004 11:52 (nineteen years ago) link

My Top 5:
SOTT
Parade
Purple Rain
1999
Dirty Mind

splooge (thesplooge), Friday, 6 August 2004 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link

1. Lovesexy
2. Parade
3. SOTT
4. 1999
5. Come
6. "Symbol"
7. Dirty Mind
8. Purple Rain
9. ATWIAD
10. Rainbow Children

briania (briania), Friday, 6 August 2004 11:59 (nineteen years ago) link

No I think you'll find Rank was a live Smiths album.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 6 August 2004 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Good one

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 6 August 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I misinterpreted the title of this thread and thought "rank" was being used as an adjective, in which case the answer would be just about everything he's done since Lovesexy innit?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 6 August 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Parade
Purple Rain
Sign o' the Times
Around the World in a Day
Lovesexy
Dirty Mind
1999
For You
Lovesymbol
Grafitti Bridge

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 6 August 2004 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

They keep coming don't they ladies and gentlemen

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 6 August 2004 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

1. Sign 'O' The Times
2. Parade
3. Lovesexy
4. Diamonds & Pearls
5. Around The World In A Day
6. The Black Album
7. 1999
8. Purple Rain
9. Controversy
10. Dirty Mind
11. Mavis Staples "Time Waits For No One" (as good as)
12. Musicology
13. Come
14. Batman
15. Emancipation (the good bits)
16. Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic

etc etc until

96. The Gold Experience
97. NEWS
98. Grafitti Bridge
99. Symbol
100. The Rainbow Children

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 6 August 2004 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

1. SOTT
2. Purple Rain
3. Dirty Mind
4. ATWIAD
5. Controversy
6. Batman
7. Prince
8. Grafitti Bridge
9. For You

Need: Parade and new copies of Dirty Mind and Controversy.

R.I.M.A. (Barima), Friday, 6 August 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

You need "Lovesexy" too, honest

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 6 August 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

_Parade_ is clearly #1. After that it gets murky but _Chaos and Disorder_ is always on the bottom.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

The essential albums: _Controversy_, _Purple Rain_, _Around The World In A Day_, _Parade_, _Sign O The Times_, _Lovesexy_, _Come_, _The Gold Experience_, _0)+>_, _Emancipation_

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Dirty Mind!

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 6 August 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

1. SOTT
2. Parade
3. Lovesexy
4. 1999
5. Dirty Mind
6. Purple Rain
7. Around The World In A Day
8. Disc 2 of Emancipation
9. Come
10. The Black Album

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 6 August 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Andrew, i just looked for reviews of Dirty Mind and found this:

UPTOWN

This might be the best song on here. Some chick asks Prince if he's gay and he's all like "Bitch, do I look gay?" But then he thinks for a second and then he's like "Wait, don't answer that question. Just watch me rock out on this guitar here for a sec, then tell me whether or not I look gay. If you're lucky, maybe I'll let you come back stage and fellate me."

R.I.M.A. (Barima), Friday, 6 August 2004 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't have nearly enough, but if I were to list them, the self-titled 1979 album would rank so much higher than Dirty Mind.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 6 August 2004 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link

1) Lovesexy
2) Parade
3) Symbol
4) Around the World in a Day
5) Black Album

frankE (frankE), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

We should rank Prince singles, too.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan do you have a job? or are you trying to get US all fired?

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll never tell...

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

best prince single ever - raspberry beret. poss. best prince video too.

splooge (thesplooge), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

1. Sign O the Times
2. Dirty Mind
3. 1999
4. Purple Rain
5. Parade
6. Prince
7. The Gold Experience
8. Controversy

chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Songs or just singles?

Huey (Huey), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

1. SOTT
2. Parade
3. Purple Rain
4. The Truth
5. Lovesexy
6. 1999
7. Gold Experience
8. Dirty Mind
9. Musicology
10. Symbol

prince rules, Friday, 6 August 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

The five albums I'd demand someone purchase
1) Purple Rain
2) Sign O' The Times
3) The Hits 2
4) Dirty Mind
5) Controversy

I also demand that I finally get off my duff and get The Gold Experience already.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Getting a _Hits_ CD without getting the full 3 CD package with the B-sides is like buying a car with no back wheels, muffler, engine, or seats.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

can someone do a ranking of only post-lovesexy prince?

tricky disco, Friday, 6 August 2004 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

VengaDan to response.

R.I.M.A. (Barima), Friday, 6 August 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Um.

Best is a tossup between _The Gold Experience_, _Come_, and _Emancipation_ (although right now I'd say _Come_). Worst is _Chaos And Disorder_. There's something to recommend all of them, though.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

post LS prince? hmmm.

1 Emancipation (well about 1.5 discs of it, which were first rate)
2 The Rainbow Children
3 The Truth (acoustic album given away with shoddy unreleased crystal ball anthology)

From here on, im not sure, its all odds and sods really. Like Venga said, there's usually something to recomend all of them.

splooge (thesplooge), Friday, 6 August 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

come on, i need them all ranked! who's a real prince fan up in this bitch?! </kidding>

ok so off of the more shoddy releases, what are the good tunes? can you tell i'm being lazy and i want to catch up on a decade or more of prince that i've unjustly neglected? you can't? well, it's true.

and wasn't c&d his kiss off to warner bros?

tricky disco, Friday, 6 August 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

slightly off-topic: for purchasing purposes, are the pre-Hits albums ranked any differently if you're one of the poor souls who owns Hits1&2butnottheB-sides?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 August 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Getting a _Hits_ CD without getting the full 3 CD package with the B-sides is like buying a car with no back wheels, muffler, engine, or seats.

You lovely and accurate man.

Best is a tossup between _The Gold Experience_, _Come_, and _Emancipation_ (although right now I'd say _Come_)

Pretty much my take. Come is his perv industrial album.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 August 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i can give you a list of all the songs i deem great-excellent-or just pretty damn good from LS onwards....

splooge (thesplooge), Friday, 6 August 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

this is actually from graffiti bridge onwards. i havent included much or anything at all from the 3 albums i listed upthread, nor batman, but this is pretty good i think, id also include loveleft loveright which was a great 1990 b-side.


1) Cant stop

2) We can funk

3) Joy in repetition

4) Thieves in the temple

5) Get off

6) Cream

7) Strollin

8) diamonds and pearls

9) Walk don’t walk

10) Money don’t matter

11) Morning papers

12) 3 chains of gold

13) Pink cashmere

14) papa

15) Dark

16) Let it go

17) Dolphin

18) Shy

19) Dinner with delores

20) Had u

21) Courting time

22) In this bed I scream

23) Soul sanctuary

24) Curious child

25) Lets have a baby

26) Holy river

27) My computer

28) One of us

29) Love we make

30) So far so pleased


splooge (thesplooge), Friday, 6 August 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

thank u splooge.

tricky disco, Friday, 6 August 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

1. SOTT
2. 1999
3. Dirty Mind
4. Purple Rain
5. Parade

i'm kinda shocked how 1999 hasn't even charted on some people's lists.

tipustiger, Friday, 6 August 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I keep forgetting that _1999_ exists, sort of like I forget that my elbows exist until I bang one into something.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

1. Dirty Mind
2. Prince (his most underrated album by far)
3. Controversy (his second most underrated album by far)
4. 1999
5. Purple Rain
6. Sign O the Times
7. For You
8. Lovesexy
9. The Black Album
10. Parade
11. Around the World in a Day
12. All the useless, aimless jam band bullshit he did later

chuck, Friday, 6 August 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Best non-LP B-side: Gotta Stop Messin' About, 1980.

chuck, Friday, 6 August 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

2. Prince (his most underrated album by far)

i agree with chuck!

||amateur!st|| (amateurist), Friday, 6 August 2004 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post) Splooge, your list so OTM.

I dunno, I think Scarlet Pussy is his best B-Side, possibly followed by Shockadelicka.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 6 August 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I would replace "Dolphin" with "The Human Body" and where is "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World", but otherwise NICE ONE SPLOOGE.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

NYAAGH!!

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 6 August 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh no.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I played every album from Prince to Lovesexy today with the caveat that Around the World in a Day was a different sequence I pieced together (per Questlove's suggestion in his epic album-by-album review of Prince's catalog into the '90s). It's pretty awesome to hear them back-to-back in order - his talents and what he was capable of seem to expand and grow with each release. This was even true for The Black Album which I put on after Sign 'O' the Times - for some reason it played even better at the tail end of this run. (Even the jokey anti-rap sentiments were smoothed over by the hard, lean music accompanying them.) Every single album up to this point came off great, but unfortunately that seemed to end with Lovesexy. I liked it enough to rate it an A- upthread, but after hearing it in this context, I can definitely see why detractors are down on it and why Questlove and Alan Leeds said this marked the end of his peak years. Every other album seemed to add up to something greater than the sum of its parts, and there was a forward momentum that ran through each one. That wasn't the case here - there are some great moments, and the musicianship is never less than first-rate, but it's lacking a coherent vision that either brings everything together or takes it all to another level. The "weakest" stretches are still enjoyable, but they feel like they're missing something. Unlike Questlove, I think Prince rights the ship later on, but I get the impression Prince simply had few worthy ideas during these few years and more or less relied on his talents to make listenable but lightweight music.

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 November 2021 23:21 (two years ago) link

FWIW, Around the World in a Day was this - each addition was a B-side to a single, and I used the full-length 12" mixes in each case. "Hello" is a cheat because it was recorded after the album came out, but otherwise this was a solid A to me:

Side A:
1. Around the World in a Day
2. Paisley Park
3. Girl
4. Raspberry Beret
5. She's Always in My Hair

Side B:
6. America
7. Hello
8. Pop Life
9. Condition of the Heart

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 November 2021 23:27 (two years ago) link

Man I love the 12” of paisley park

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 4 November 2021 23:30 (two years ago) link

I'm going to create this sequence with the 12" mixes for myself. I assume/hope you're using the 9:07 Extended Version of Pop Life, and not one of the US remixes.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 5 November 2021 00:44 (two years ago) link

I meant the 12" versions of the B-sides - that was enough to bring the album to a full LP length, so I didn't want to go beyond that, but if you want to turn the album into a double, using ALL 12" mixes would definitely do it.

birdistheword, Friday, 5 November 2021 00:57 (two years ago) link

It's true that "Girl" and "She's Always in My Hair" are better than most of what made the LP; I'd have to include "The Ladder" in there somewhere.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 5 November 2021 15:15 (two years ago) link

I never liked "The Ladder" but to be fair, it's a tough track to cut - it's the center of the entire gatefold cover! I guess you could drop "Hello" to make room for "The Ladder." I have to concede there's no way "Hello" would've made it, not unless they delayed the album by a few months.

birdistheword, Friday, 5 November 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link

"Temptation" is his first lousy song.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 November 2021 18:18 (two years ago) link

xp I'd make room for "Tamborine" but that is definitely a superior version of the album you've assembled

J. Sam, Friday, 5 November 2021 18:33 (two years ago) link

I'd be happy to eliminate Tamborine, Temptation, and The Ladder from the album. They're all fairly unnecessary and minimally enjoyable.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 5 November 2021 18:41 (two years ago) link

Tamborine >>>>>>>>>

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 5 November 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link

Is the Questlove reviews online anywhere anymore

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 5 November 2021 18:51 (two years ago) link

"Tambourine" is the best album track.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 November 2021 18:56 (two years ago) link

like if Joni Mitchell played drums

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 November 2021 18:56 (two years ago) link

Questlove's review:

Ok. i know reviews are subjective but i think I’m right when i say the only place to go after you sell 16 million units is…..”that a way”, prince’s muses’ wendy and lisa (see “computer blue” on PR) hipped him to the Beatles. and he presented a “see i can do that too” kinda head scratcher. as a die hard i was along for the ride but many got off of the trip with this album. when it came out: @@@1/2 (many head scratched, thought he was going hippie—hello De La) how does it hold up 30 years later? @@@@1/2 some say he turnt his back on the funk. i say he turned his front on his mind. a potpourri of sound and experiments. this caused concern but really? had he closed the album on anything BUT “Temptation” idda been with giving him a @@@@@. 82-87 was his most prolific in terms of songwriting and volume and Quality. over 300 songs made during this period. and 60 percent of em were life changing. “Condition Of The Heart” is as devastating now as it was 30 years ago. also worth fishing for are the B-sides from this era…some of my favorites “she’s always in my hair,” “hello” & his trippy “Girl”.

Here's a link to the cached webpage: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Np0Tdw4paOAJ:https://www.okayplayer.com/originals/questlove-prince-warner-bros-album-guide.html/3+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 5 November 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link

still only a little part of it

Link rot on a piece that's like 4 years old, smh

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 5 November 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link

Stopping at 2001 is merciful, because ugh....

birdistheword, Saturday, 6 November 2021 02:27 (two years ago) link

Was listening to Lovesexy yesterday. It’s been broken up into its component songs on streaming services.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 6 November 2021 03:00 (two years ago) link

Was it ever broken up on the U.S. CD? I know overseas it was. For some reason it was only available via import when Prince died, and the European pressing I got had the tracks separated.

birdistheword, Saturday, 6 November 2021 03:03 (two years ago) link

I think it was always one track on CD in the US. I had it on cassette anyway. It was split into two sides.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 6 November 2021 03:40 (two years ago) link

It's supposed to be one song, like "Thick As a Brick".

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 6 November 2021 03:43 (two years ago) link

I'm not saying it's the best, but Parade is the one I'm most likely to listen to today

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 November 2021 03:47 (two years ago) link

honestly there are a lot of "Rank Prince Albums" out there

frogbs, Saturday, 6 November 2021 03:50 (two years ago) link

I'm not saying it's the best, but Parade is the one I'm most likely to listen to today

It's one of my very favorite Prince albums. It gets plenty of love now, but I was taken aback by how underrated it was back in the day. It underperformed for an '80s Prince album in the Pazz & Jop poll (at #25, only Around the World in a Day and the Batman soundtrack did worse, everything else from Prince to Graffiti Bridge placed in the top ten), Trouser Press hated most of it and The Rolling Stone Album Guide hated it in the 1992 edition before reversing itself (with a different critic) in the 2004 edition. Maybe that was due to the poorly received film - it didn't have much of the soundtrack in it, but the association alone may have predisposed music critics against the album.

birdistheword, Saturday, 6 November 2021 15:24 (two years ago) link

I'm not saying it's the best, but Parade is the one I'm most likely to listen to today

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

This and Controversy.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 November 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link

parade is probably in my top three prince albums. does everyone just forget that it's the one with "kiss" on it???

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Saturday, 6 November 2021 16:03 (two years ago) link

Sometimes It Snows in April is my jam

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 November 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link

I haven't listened to it since it was new; I remember "Kiss" being so much better than everything else that the whole rest of the album felt like filler. (The fact that half the songs are under three minutes long didn't help with that impression.)

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 6 November 2021 16:07 (two years ago) link

quality over quantity. you should revisit; it's a very dense album with tons of things going on. even though it's way better overall, sign o the times seems needlessly lengthy in comparison.

neanderthal otm, per usual. probably p's best ballad.

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Saturday, 6 November 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link

Parade is one of my favorites as well. The only track i’ve never warmed to is Anotherloverholeinyourhead. Mountains and Boys & Girls are fabulous.

Cow_Art, Saturday, 6 November 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I discovered "Sometimes It Snows in April" via Rock Lists. It was high up on the list of Prince's best songs, and I didn't it at all (or the album beyond "Kiss"). Great, great song, it's damn sad it took Prince's death to elevate in beyond "deep cut" status. Even before D'Angelo performed it as his tribute, I played the shit out of that song.

I actually love "Anotherloverholenyohead," excellent cut. I should add Parade had great 12" singles. The 12" mixes, especially for "Mountains," were all great, and best of all was the full-length "♥ Or $" (which again I discovered via Rock Lists - it stood out because I think it was the one B-side they listed that wasn't on the The Hits/B-Sides which were my first Prince CD's). I wish "♥ Or $" had made the album, but it's still a great album.

birdistheword, Saturday, 6 November 2021 21:03 (two years ago) link

agh, mistakes all over the place

cut/paste error
*I didn't know it at all

typo
*elevate it beyond

also upthread:
everything else from Dirty Mind to Graffiti Bridge placed in the top ten

birdistheword, Saturday, 6 November 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link

Yeah Parade is amazing, probably the most ornate/baroque of his classic run with Clare Fischer’s arrangements. I think the psychedelic stuff is better executed than on Around the World too, especially on “Mountains” and “Life Can Be So Nice.” The only bum track for me is “Girls and Boys” which seems to be much loved but has always annoyed the crap out of me and goes on way too long

J. Sam, Saturday, 6 November 2021 21:06 (two years ago) link

"Anotherloverholenyohead" is a marvelous album track and a failure as a single.

Let's give Wendy and Lisa considerable credit for "...April."

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 November 2021 21:06 (two years ago) link

and another error - Lovesexy made #17 and The Black Album made #20 on the same P&J poll in 1988

birdistheword, Saturday, 6 November 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link

Let's give Wendy and Lisa considerable credit for "...April."

Yes, absolutely. Does Wendy play the acoustic guitar on that track? I love how you can hear all the squeaks on the strings, and also the beat that precedes that first strum through the final chorus - it's right after the saddest part, and it's like the guitar kicks up the tempo because it's time to move on, not just with the song but with life.

How much of Sign 'O' the Times had input from Wendy & Lisa? I know Prince is credited with recording it all, but weren't a lot of those songs worked on before he disbanded the Revolution?

birdistheword, Saturday, 6 November 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link

Believe so, but don’t remember for sure.

Exploding Plastic Bertrand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 November 2021 21:23 (two years ago) link

They wrote much of the music and arrangement for "April" and the airier psychedelic numbers

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 November 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link

"Girls and Boys" is such an amazing song

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 November 2021 22:40 (two years ago) link

has there ever been a poll of prince's 80s b-sides?

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Saturday, 6 November 2021 22:40 (two years ago) link

because we should do that, if not.

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Saturday, 6 November 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link

Just in case anyone in the next 2000 years polls his best end of side 1 track for the record ‘Gotta Broken Heart Again’ gets my vote…

X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Sunday, 7 November 2021 00:04 (two years ago) link

Revisiting his trio of NPG albums, they really get better with each one. Diamonds and Pearls lays the blueprint, but the material's a little uneven and Tony M ain't so hot. The Symbol Album is better but needs some pruning - it's essentially another double LP, but take out the lousy skits, the weakest cuts, and there's a really strong album from maybe a dozen tracks. I just wish they had a better rapper - I could see someone like LL Cool J (following Mama Said Knock You Out) delivering what Prince needed to make it all work. Everything pretty much clicks on The Gold Experience. Love it, I think it's Prince's last truly great album though something like an 18-track/90 minute version of Emancipation could be up there too.

birdistheword, Sunday, 7 November 2021 01:23 (two years ago) link

Prince always felt kind of awkward to me when he tried to incorporate hip hop into his thing

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 7 November 2021 04:01 (two years ago) link

I don't think he was able to make it work until The Gold Experience. By that album, he's moved away from extended rap breaks, and instead of Tony M, it's mainly him. I think his laid-back style is pretty good - he's learned how to slip into a comfortable sing-speak flow that's fairly close to what Curtis Mayfield and Sly Stone had already done decades ago. The Gold Experience may be the only time Prince made the fusion with hip-hop feel organic to me, at least for a whole album. He never grew beyond that though - I can think of a few instances later on where he tries to rap more ambitiously and failed to pull it off. (One of the few weak tracks on 3121 has a poor rap break from Prince IIRC.)

birdistheword, Sunday, 7 November 2021 04:33 (two years ago) link

Xpost Yea it seemed dated like...even at the time.

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Sunday, 7 November 2021 04:33 (two years ago) link

The production is quite ugly on those later albums; he stopped caring about arrangements, cared more about performance.

He would never have allowed a good rapper on a Prince album because he would never have allowed competition.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 November 2021 04:38 (two years ago) link

He would never have allowed a good rapper on a Prince album because he would never have allowed competition.

There's Chuck D, but I get your point - Chuck was a guest shot, which isn't the same as being potentially upstaged by a full-time member of the NPG.

I don't have a problem with the production or arrangements on The Gold Experience or the best parts of Emancipation, but Come (which I don't like) does feel pretty ugly and Chaos and Disorder (which I enjoy) is slapdash which I guess makes sense since they were just "private" recordings. Except for Chaos and Disorder I wouldn't say he stopped caring - even the bad cuts seem meticulous in their own way.

birdistheword, Sunday, 7 November 2021 05:49 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

listening to mplsound this morning and I can see why people find it so disappointing -- I mean, it's prince; "this album is nice" won't really cut it, and, when I put "mountains" in the queue in the middle of it, the contrast was stark -- mainly compositionally, though: the actual production sound of the later album is good to my ear, there's a lushness to it that's fine and interesting -- and the songs, while, again, this isn't an icon riding the wave of his passion, it's a guy who likes to hang around the studio tinkering forever and is fresh out of lyrical concepts for the most part. but!! "U're Gonna C Me" is utterly lovely, and so is "Here" -- and as to Alfred's remark about arrangements two posts back, that's just not true -- the flutes on "here" fading into the synth funk of "valentina" (not much to recommend in the verses, but a terrific chorus with a great vocal and an uncharacteristic bgv arrangement).

kinda curious how good a "late prince that nobody reps for" mix would look.

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 2 January 2022 15:35 (two years ago) link


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