BONGWATER - What is Anne and Kramer doing now?

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BONGWATER - What is Anne and Kramer doing now?

I have the "Box Of Bongwater" cd set.. It's great.. They do excellent covers.. They could have been big if they made a whole CD of just covers... I think the FALL and GALAXIE 500 should do that too...

anyway, I know that KRAMER does some production at NOISE Recording Studio in NJ.. but what is ANNE doing.. she put out a solo lp called THE LUV SHOW.. but her best stuff was with BONGWATER...

Todd, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

what was the Bongwater song where she's describing a dream?? i haff been fruitlessly obsessed with that song for years now but am too shy to get the box set... (i got no idea about anne)

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I know Ann did a solo show in which she did a 15 minute tribute to my beloved Jobriath (who I dreamed about last night)... I think this was a couple years ago, though. What is she doing now?

Sean, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Last I saw her she duetted with the Tindersticks on "A Marriage Made in Heaven" back in 1997 here in LA. And a good performance it was too.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracer-There are a few songs like that. "His New Look" and "Nick Cave Dolls" and "David Bowie Wants Ideas" are three of them, I think. Maybe "Decadent Iranian Country Club". Can't quite remember. "Nick Cave dolls...I waannnt one."

Sean-Did you hear that Rhino is supposed to be putting out the two Jobriath records WITH UNRELEASED TRACKS? I heard he recorded a whole album before he was dropped. I asked my friends at Rhino about it and they said there's no definite release date. Morrissey suggests his listeners buy the record on the liner notes of his new Best of--hopefully Rhino will be swamped with requests and they'll have to get it together.

Ann has a new show called Rave Mom. It details her experience as a 40-something cult figure/sitcom actress taking ecstasy, hanging out with the kids at LA raves and Burning Man and all that crap. Also some stuff about her affair with that money manager who bilked all of his famous clients, Dana Giacchetto.

She did something at an art event here in LA last summer at the notorious cruising hotel the Coral Sands. It was all about her attempts to win the part of Eminem's mother in his upcoming movie. She read from the script, it sounded pretty funny. They gave the part to Kim Basinger, I think.

She also played Mariah Carey's publicist in Glitter.

And she's appearing this weekend at the El Rey in LA with the burlesque troupe Velvet Hammer.

I agree, Todd, I don't think she's ever topped her work with Bongwater. Too bad it ended so badly.

Arthur, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Then The Babies Return" off "Too Much Sleep" may have been the dream one. Shame all my Shimmy Disc CDs were pinched a few years back.

Johnathan, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Arthur; I am in the Jobriath discussion group, and while people are always talking about how someone (probably Rhino) should rerelease his stuff, I have heard nothing about it actually happening. Does Morrissey really advise his fans to purchase this nonexistent item? And yes, Jobriath did record most of a third LP... it would be my wish come true to have these songs as bonus tracks.

Sean, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, in the liner notes Morrissey suggests listeners investigate "these other fine collections from Rhino": Jobriath (first on the list!), Phil Ochs, the Ramones, Nancy Sinatra, Burt Bacharach.

My old roommate used to play with Ann Magnuson when she did that Jobriath medley. I'm meeting up with him today, I should see if he has a tape of it.

Arthur, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hm...normally those recommended-lists in Rhino are put together by the staff rather than the artist, which usually is a sign that it could really be happening. If it was in the Moz's own scrawl, that could be something else...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My favorite BONGWATER songs.. "The Drum" "Freelove Messes Up My Life" "Kisses Sweeter Than Wine" (cover) "There You Go" (Johnny Cash cover) "I Wanna Talk About It Now" "Ye Old Backlash" "Ride My Seesaw" "The Real Thing" "Too Much Sleep" "You Don't Love Me Yet" (Rocky Erickson cover) "One So Black" "Love Song"

todd, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Drum" is actually a cover too -- Slapp Happy, isn't it?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Ride my See-Saw" is a cover of a song by the Moody Blues.

Mark Dixon, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

According to she's been doing a show of hers called "Ravemom". I loved her last show (she did a cover of Kansas' "Carry on my wayward son" dressed as Glenda the good witch from "The Wizard of Oz") when I saw it in S.F. a few years ago. I also saw her with Bongwater and she was amazing then.

Bongwater's covers were amazing. Actually, a band The Impossibles did a cover of their cover of "The Drum" back in the '80s. I thought that was great.

Elspeth McKee, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...
i've had 'folk song' in my head all morning, and have been looking for the lyrics on the internet, but can't find them.

its a shame she isn't doing anything musically right now, but perhaps she did as much as she felt she was able to. offers 'the luv show' as her latest cd. has anyone actually heard it? what is it like? i'm thinking how nice it would look next to 'the power of pussy' in my cd collection, and wondering if it is in the same sort of vein as bongwater.

i wonder if anyone will reply, or if this thread will disappear for another 3 years.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 08:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I have 'The Luv Show', it's actually pretty good - worth picking up if you are a fan, although of course it doesn't reach Bongwater standards.

I had the pleasure of meeting Kramer some years back (I did some PR work for Shimmy Disc in the UK), shortly after 'The Luv Show' had come out. He told me that Ann dropped her lawsuit against him when her solo record only sold a few hundred copies and she realised Shimmy Disc hadn't exactly been making millions all along.

Mog, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 08:56 (sixteen years ago) link

"The Luv Show" used to appear in bargain bins all the time & certainly was worth the small amount it would cost you. Don't trawl the record stores like I used to, so not sure if it's still around.

Wandering Boy Poet, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Right now, Kramer is smoking pot...and probably ruining a record with his engineering.

Bongwater was hit and miss at best, Power of Pu$$y being thier strongest IMHO.

I spent a summer working for shimmy disc in it's hey day...terrible experience sans for free boredoms/ruins/naked city records.

ddb, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

The Luv Show is worth buying for the booklet alone. But the record's pretty good too, and features Jim Foetus as the voice of Beelzebub!

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link

And Ann still writes for Paper, I'm pretty sure...

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:24 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
From the June 2005 issue of Fortean Times:

"Oddly enough, of all the luminaries who showed up at this tacky Vegas hotel, the most truly amazing of them all was a nondescript JREF staff member who goes by the name of Kramer. 15 years ago, Kramer was among the most brilliant guitarists and songwriters in American rock. If you've ever seen Wayne's World, in particular the scene where Wayne and Garth are prostating before Aerosmith wailing "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!" then you have an idea of how Kramer is perceived by fans the world over. So it was a bit stunning to see him humbly carrying out JREF duties in the background while the celebrities got all the attention. Why is an ex-rock star working as a JREF staffer? Because he felt there are more important things in life than rock'n'roll and that JREF offers some hope of restoring sanity to a deranged world.
Despite its flaws, the sceptic movement is attracting dedicated idealists, such as Kramer, who believe in the potential of science and rational thought to cast out our many demons."

JREF is the James Randi Educational Foundation, a group of self-styled "skeptics" out to promote scientific enlightenment whose agenda is, in my opinion and the opinion of this article, rather dogmatic and defensive.

everything, Saturday, 4 June 2005 17:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm sympathetic to skeptical inquiry but a bit burnt out on the whole CSICOP side of things. Still, if it keeps him happy.

Ann features prominently in the Klaus Nomi documentary and in February Arthur and I saw her at the special LA screening where she and Kristian H., a v. good friend of Arthur, answered questions afterward. She seemed to be in good spirits!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 June 2005 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, the CSICOP thing is a pretty stale bun, that's for sure. Exposing the ear candlers as rip-off merchants seems a bit ridiculous when the Enron guys are walking free with billions in the bank.

How about the over-the-top description of Kramer's legacy though. I mean, is he really "an ex-rock star"?

everything, Saturday, 4 June 2005 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Kramer doesn't work for the James Randi Foundation any more. He is producing (or possibly has finished producing) the new Dot Allison album and has a new label "Second Shimmy". The debut release (due Oct. 2006) is "I Killed the Monster - 21 Artists Performing the Songs by Daniel Johnston", featuring performances by Dot Allison, Jad Fair & Kramer, Daniel Smith and Sufjan Stevens, Kimya Dawson, Major Matt Mason, Jeff Lewis, Joy Zipper, and Kramer himself, among others.

everything (everything), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

im glad real estate is working out for him

Igor Adkins (Grodd), Monday, 18 September 2006 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

Anyone hear The Brill Building? Don't know what he's doing these days. I've got about 4 of his solo albums, mostly very good.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 23:57 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

Kramer has a new music project: Let It Come Down. Working with singer Xan Tyler. Sorta sounds like Kramer's take on This Mortal Coil. Sometimes it sounds a lot like the Moles. Good stuff! Less shaggy than a lot of his work.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:41 (one week ago) link

I just listened to the few official videos, I wondered if I was hearing a bit of Kramer's vocals, I hope he's still singing.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 30 July 2020 18:48 (one week ago) link

He's singing on some of it. The album is good all the way through.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 30 July 2020 18:58 (one week ago) link

Okay, this is a read and a half:

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 15:21 (five days ago) link

Could do with some more questions tbh.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 16:39 (five days ago) link

1. What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
2. What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
3. What if I twisted it in like a knife?

clemenza, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 03:26 (four days ago) link


Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 03:43 (four days ago) link

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