Faith No More: most underrated rock band of the 90s?

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Okay, I know they were pretty big, but in my opinion they deserved to be U2 big. If only they had been... Mike Patton could be meeting the Pope right now. And probably shitting in his hat.

Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They were properly rated. What would be the purpose of a band like Faith No More being globally huge like U2? The sharp decline following Angel Dust would have just been sad on a larger scale, unlike U2's decline...which is just fun to watch.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

word, ma nigga!

Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I suppose what irks me is that they are often regarded as 'just a metal band' who happened to do a few schmalzty, ironic covers. I've always seen them as more a twisted pop band who toyed with metal conventions as much as they did with those of other genres. And those massive choruses...

Agree with you on the U2-decline schadenfreude thing. Bunch of twats.

Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think they should have been big. But I do think they cut some classics and should definitely be considered one of the great original and influential bands of their time. I don't think their sound was ever destined to be anything more than peripheral in the mainstream.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

U2 were bland and homogenous college rock heroes in the latter half of their career. I would hate to have seen FNM settle into a comfortable mainstream routine.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

um, they pretty much were mainstream, Jimbo.

Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, on the one album. "Angel Dust" was hardly a hit. "Mainstream" here doesn't relate to hit albums or notoriety, but a comfortable and homogenous sound tweaked for success. I'm well aware that FNM was a relatively big band.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The one album being "The Real Thing."

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"I don't think their sound was ever destined to be anything more than peripheral in the mainstream."

You sure about that? I think these guys would disagree:

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latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

On the other hand, Mr. Bungle clearly should have been/be U2 big.

nader (nader), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I reckon if patton was one of the biggest rock stars in the world he's behave like a PROPER FUCKING ROCK STAR, like in the olden days, not the bland excuses for rock stars we have now.

Also, their sound is quirky, but generally pretty accsessable ("Malpractice", "Cukkoo For Caca" etc. aside). They're not Mr. Bungle, who could certainly never make it huge.

Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

their sound was the blueprint for crap-ass rap/metal fusion, Jimmy. I heard the single from Angel Dust all the time on Top 40 back in the day. They were on frigging SNL, for godsakes. They were mainstream; they were a chart act; they weren't all that innovative.

Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Midlife Crisis" was a moderate MTV success, but I'm not sure how well it performed on radio.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Anyway, enormous world-beating bands haven't always settled into a 'comfortable mainstream routine' The Beatles, the Zep, Nirvana...

Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

considering how often that piece of garbage was played per frigging day, I'd say it was a moderate hit. And according to the Slonester, by 'mainstream,' he means that the sound was generic, not that the album charted all over the goddamned USA, which it did. Considering that they were basically doing the same thing that Anthrax did with 'Bring the Noise' and that every white, suburban rap/rock did since then, I say that they epitomozed 'mainstream' by any definition.

Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

classic only because they got the zip code rapists to open up for them in 1991 at the warfield which is a pretty amazing listen. other than that, dud.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh come on, Anthrax?! Give me a break. How much FNM have you heard Kim? FNM didn't have one sound- there was a great deal of variation in their work. And for the record, Korn is hardly a facsimile of FNM. If they were, I'd probably listen to them.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I know LOTS of people who proudly shriek of Mike Patton's glory.

"Epic," "Midlife Crisis" and "Book Of The Month" are faves of what he's done that I've heard. There's plenty I haven't.

"Falling To Pieces" is totally the dawn of Korn, ya know.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hell, even "Introduce Yourself" has its own unique sound.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

now Imperial Teen, THEY'RE hella underrated.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes, FNM was hugely successful. But generic they were definitely not.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

triple x(!)-post

Korn weren't a copy of Faith No More, but it's hard to imagine Korn existing without their influence.

I actually like Faith No More, James is right that they didn't have one sound. Angel Dust is a good album!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Angel Dust is a classic without qualifications.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Falling To Pieces" is totally the dawn of Korn, ya know.

OTFM, Anthony.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well, it's one song. What Kim and others are doing is retroactively placing FNM into a genere that was influenced by a couple of their songs.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They were pretty much the first to do the 'metal with a pop sensibility and without a long wanky guitar solo' thing. But DAMN they did it with so much more class and humour than Kornbizkitroachpark.

Plus they did some country.

Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It was exactly their unwillingness to sit still that would have inevitably alienated the market.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

To be honest, I never heard the final album. But King For a Day... showed signs of tunnelvision.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 01:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"would have inevitably alienated the market"

but they DIDN'T alienate the market!!! when you turn on the mainstream alt-rock station and they're playing a song off Angel Dust or Real Thing or even the earlier incarnation with the other lead singer who did that song "We Care A Lot", dude, Jimbo, they were mainstream!!! Just because they ventured outside of one style and watered it down with bits of other styles, that does NOT make them innovative or even interesting!!! I'm glad you bought up Patton's back catalog, really, but what exactly is the argument here??!? They were a mainstream act with a few quirks (like that wacky Shania Twain who mixes country AND soft rock) who dabbled in a few styles. They got as much respect, radio airplay, and album sales as they deserved. And I don't want to hear another fucking word about it!!!

Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think I already explained my position quite adequetly. FNM were incredibly diverse and dabbled in a lot of areas. Moreover, many of their songs were structurally quite interesting, or at least as interesting as most of the pop, mainstream or otherwise, that get's discussed on this board. Also, hit songs do not equal a 100% accessible album. You must really hate them, given the ranting nature of your post. Your aggressive stance is quite pathetic. I don't give two shits about your conviction, especially when you're so clearly vindictive about.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Just because they had hits, does not mean they weren't interesting or innovative.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

In 1989/90, when The Real Thing came out, your choices of hard rock/metal music were pretty polarized. Pop hair metal on one end and thrash metal on the other (MOR bands like Bad English and the Black Crowes notwithstanding). For you to say FNM weren't original or even interesting is entirely wrong...even if it's an opinon, it's still wrong.

"Epic" was fucking weird for that era, and it became a huge phenomenon because of how absolutely different it was from everything else.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Am I crazy? Isn't it normal for a hit artist to compose more experimental music for the same album? Does having a hit song contradict having less accessible or more experimental material, material that doesn't sit well with an audience? Hasn't this happened a lot?

Or am I just out of my fucking mind?

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"FNM weren't original or even interesting is entirely wrong"

Have you read the lyric sheet? Hmmm? Little kids could write better crap. And you make it seem as there were only two kids of 'metal' bands at the time. How about Suicidal Tendencies; they were metal/punk and then you have your Living Colour (and the Black Rock Coalition bands) and if you want to go way back, how about Run DMC and Aerosmith? A rap/metal song. Sound familiar? What about Grindcore or Death Metal? Metal didn't have it's sub-genres? My god, if you want to believe that Faith No Fucking More were innovative, fine. But I think that most of you are arguing for the sake of arguing. And that's just boring.

Hey James, go get yourself a Russian bride, or something. Release that tension, boy.

Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Uh, what?

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

How stupid are you?


James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Most underrated rock band of the 90's = Cop Shoot Cop.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

well, James, it took YOU two tries to post a response, so my answer is: not nearly as stupid as you.

Kim, Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not denying the existence of many many sub-genres of metal. I'm pointing out what was well-known and semi-popular at the time (although I'd put Living Colour in the MOR category).

But, I distinctly remember watching Totally Pauly waiting for "Epic" to come on in between Janet Jackson, Kid N' Play, and Damn Yankees videos because it was a revolutionary kind of thing for my naive 15 year old ears and eyes. And I'm sure that was the case with countless other people too...including the guys who went on to form the nu-metal bands.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"But I think that most of you are arguing for the sake of arguing. And that's just boring. "

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latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rap/metal btw hardly constitutes the majority of FNM songs. All you're doing Kim is babbling on about the hits your remember- your entire judgement is based on a few examples. The insulting nature of your posts indicate that you're not very intelligent, or at the very least not used to debate of any kind. BTW: I'm well aware of what was floating around at the time thank you very much. Suicidal Tendencies, Aerosmith/Run DMC, and yes even the beloved In Living Color, do not hold a candle to what FNM was doing. FNM was NOT about combining rap with metal. Get it through your head.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Totally Pauly
aw man, that show was completely blacked out of my memory. Thanks a lot. grrrr...

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

In Living Color was a tv show on Fox, brain surgeon.

KimberIy, Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Does Kim always argue with this quasi-religious conviction? Or is this new?

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to think of a song where Patton raps...and I'm drawing a blank.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

x-post

and yes even the beloved In Living Color

"Homie don't play dat!"

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Because that stuff he's doing in "Epic" isn't it.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

OMG, I made a slip! I said "In Living Color" rather than Living Colour Christ, slit my throat. Are you this manic in real life? Who do you think your are?


James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Mr. Big Stuff

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 02:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

they went quick

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:56 (three years ago) Permalink

appaz a ton of tix showed up on stubhub soon after :/

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:56 (three years ago) Permalink

the only faith no more i could get into was the first version with chuck mosley, that dude had an awesome personality as a vocalist.

CoolRadio, Saturday, 31 January 2015 01:06 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKP98hDBJ8w#t=56

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 2 March 2015 00:32 (three years ago) Permalink

this one sounds much less good to me

Simon H., Monday, 2 March 2015 01:37 (three years ago) Permalink

i really like it

maura, Monday, 2 March 2015 08:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Yep, that's definitely Faith No More. Harking back to The Real Thing in terms of arrangement.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 09:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Tracklist, BTW:

01. Sol Invictus
02. Superhero
03. Sunny Side Up
04. Separation Anxiety
05. Cone of Shame
06. Rise of the Fall
07. Black Friday
08. Motherfucker
09. Matador
10. From the Dead

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 09:37 (three years ago) Permalink

the new album is A CRACKER

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Monday, 2 March 2015 10:23 (three years ago) Permalink

Guessing it'll leak pretty soon.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 10:31 (three years ago) Permalink

cool song. pointless to compare it to Album of the Year given so much time has lapsed, still i'm glad it doesn't seem like they picked up from where they left off.

charlie h, Monday, 2 March 2015 10:46 (three years ago) Permalink

the new album is A CRACKER

― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie)

Getting pretty incredible early reviews.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 13:54 (three years ago) Permalink

it's kind of amazing, if you had just played the first second of that new song to me, I would have known immediately that it was Faith No More. Something about that guitar tone...l

Poliopolice, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:00 (three years ago) Permalink

There's a great 3-minute song in "Superhero" but no reason for it to meander on for over 5.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:01 (three years ago) Permalink

no i love the outro

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2015 17:02 (three years ago) Permalink

disappointing to see that Jim Martin's not back...

Poliopolice, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Never gonna happen.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 17:10 (three years ago) Permalink

interesting song. it sounds very nu-metal to me (except for the keys)... but then, I guess they'd sort of pioneered that sound.

what happened to Jim that it's never gonna happen?

Poliopolice, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:14 (three years ago) Permalink

He now lives in Castro Valley, California, with his wife, son, and daughter. He has gained fame in recent years for his non-musical endeavors in championship pumpkin growing.

Poliopolice, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:17 (three years ago) Permalink

There's a great 3-minute song in "Superhero" but no reason for it to meander on for over 5.

Yeah, seriously. I kept waiting for the cool suprise breakdown parts that FNM arrangements usually offer, but nope. Not bad, but doesn't justify the length and repetition. Might work better in context.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 March 2015 20:29 (three years ago) Permalink

it's a really good album

i saw jim martin and mike patton share a stage... when patton was watching martin play with infectious grooves at orion (rip)

maura, Monday, 2 March 2015 20:59 (three years ago) Permalink

i was there B)

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:15 (three years ago) Permalink

RIGHT NEXT TO ME

maura, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:22 (three years ago) Permalink

I dunno if pining for Jim is really the move anyway since, w/ King for a Day and Album of the Year their entire sound got streamlined, and sleeker and more eccentric and less "metal" and even less macho to some extent

They're probably the type of guys that would value growing as a band than pulling an INDIE CINDY and stopping by with more of the same shit; and thus would necessitate Hudson in the fold. Their setlists have been leaning towards KFaD stuff any way, and that album def "holds up" the best of their entire catalog, nearly 20 years later.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Basically, they moved on and so should you, imho

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:29 (three years ago) Permalink

agree

maura, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Though it's true that it makes Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey historically inaccurate

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:35 (three years ago) Permalink

It couldn't maintain its airtight consistency forever.

U SNOOZE U LOOZE BRAH (Old Lunch), Monday, 2 March 2015 21:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Jim shreds but Whiney basically otm..."it's over man, let him go"

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 2 March 2015 22:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Their setlists have been leaning towards KFaD stuff any way, and that album def "holds up" the best of their entire catalog, nearly 20 years later.

I like many prefer Angel Dust, but Martin had very little input into the creative direction of that album by all accounts.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 2 March 2015 23:18 (three years ago) Permalink

wow i can't believe i just learned about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17UkOTIwyg

maura, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 04:23 (three years ago) Permalink

listened to their whole discog for a live review once, thought they were overrated if anything =\

soyrev, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 04:25 (three years ago) Permalink

you're wrong but it's ok

maura, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 04:29 (three years ago) Permalink

it always struck me that the production on their albums weren't as good or as appropriate as they could have been.

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 05:05 (three years ago) Permalink

like it did them a disservice more often than not

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 05:06 (three years ago) Permalink

the last time i saw fnm before the reunion they played brixton academy with sparks as support, and brought them back on to play this town... as the encore. they were better that night than they'd been since the angel dust tour.

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 08:04 (three years ago) Permalink

whoahey! it's maura!

soyrev, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:41 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Blatant self-promo, etc, but my Faith No More feature is in the new issue of MOJO, the one with Fleetwood Mac on the cover (which is a great, great piece as well). Buy it, magazines smell nice.
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NotKnowPotato (stevie), Monday, 25 May 2015 09:11 (three years ago) Permalink

:D

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 May 2015 17:05 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

does anyone understand the ire between patton and the chilis? from the mr. bungle set where they make the "hAPPY herroween" joke to neil hamburger opening for FNM and taking the piss out of RHCP - anyone get it?

kolakube (Ross), Friday, 12 January 2018 05:40 (six months ago) Permalink

guess he kicked them off a bill, but seems like patton took it pretty hard, including covering them in a mock fashion

kolakube (Ross), Friday, 12 January 2018 05:43 (six months ago) Permalink

As I understand it, Anthony Kiedis wasn't too thrilled when he saw the video to 'Epic' (he felt Patton was copping his look, moves and vocal style) and nor was he too thrilled about Mr Bungle putting out an album called California at the same time as Californication was out. Mr Bungle ended up getting kicked off a lot of festivals and subsequently found out that the reason why was Kiedis had threatened to pull RHCP from the line-ups if Mr Bungle played. Patton and co. were obviously furious, and I'm sure this is what actually led to the Halloween RHCP piss-take gig.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Friday, 12 January 2018 06:55 (six months ago) Permalink

Story I heard was that Bungle came up with the name Californication, Keidis was told it by one of the band or something and nicked it for the Chilis album, so Bungle had to call theirs the much more boring California. Read that on the internet ages ago so may be misremembered/totally inaccurate.

chap, Friday, 12 January 2018 10:38 (six months ago) Permalink

Patton hates the Chillis because he has ears and a brain

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Friday, 12 January 2018 10:39 (six months ago) Permalink

I don't think I had any concept of this feud when it was first popping off. Didn't read those interviews in Kerrang or whatever. But this quote is great.

I'd really like to set all that straight. What he doesn't realize is that I am Anthony Kiedis, and I'm the raddest dude. Let me tell you, I'm in the greatest band, and it's so cool. But all these jerks, one of which is that Mike Patton asshole, all want to be me. So I'm gonna get him, and I'm gonna get him good. - Mike Patton 1990

I sure hope that Bungle didn't want to name California Californication, because Californication is one of the stupidest words I've ever heard.

how's life, Friday, 12 January 2018 11:39 (six months ago) Permalink

Thanks for all the great info

kolakube (Ross), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:54 (six months ago) Permalink

The real early video of one of Faith No More's first performances of Epic (@4:15) is a lil Keidisy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxv1gzId2Fk

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:13 (six months ago) Permalink

Also, I love Chuck, but I do always like when Patton does "Crab Song"

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:15 (six months ago) Permalink

I love Chuck but I think p much all Patton's versions of Chuck songs beat the originals. Chuck was never really a singer, by his own admission.

Anne's Song is still probs my favourite FNM song though, and no one else should ever sing it.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:18 (six months ago) Permalink

Since we're posting videos, this is def my favorite FNM live clip. Love the post-reunion feel of a tight 4-piece with Patton kind of soloing like a jazz musician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1x_4keMigs

mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:21 (six months ago) Permalink


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