― g, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Kodanshi, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― cybele, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Can be very patchy, but when it's on, it's brilliant.
My favourite is probably Home Is In Your Head - it's the most
textural and treads the goth/spacerock border like you'd never think
was possible. Stars On ESP is probably my second favourite, because
Warren lets his Beach Boys fixation go mad, and it's very 60s girl
groupy and poppy.
There is a "greatest hits" compilation thing on 4AD if you're
interested in an overview, but I've forgotten its name and it's all
the way downstairs.
Does anyone remember Elvis Hitler? That's what I wanna know.
― kate, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
"Universal Frequencies" is one of the very very few exact cribs of
60s music to take as much poignancy from its retroism as it wants.
― Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― keith, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Stars On ESP is brilliant, as is ESP Summer.
If you are interested in extreme moog noise, check out any of the
Mystic Moog Orchestra stuff.
He has also producer a lot of material around here, check out the Go
Sonic Records stuff for more.
As for Time Stereo, I think the Electric Bear video is great as well.
I used to go see all the shows that these guys would do at the
original Record Collector on 8 mile rd. When I was a young pup that
store was run by Davin who runs Time Stereo, When I was about 14
(1991) or so I would go in there and he would always give me a hard
time about the records I would buy. I have to give him credit though,
I never would have gotten into Throbbing Gristle or Stereolab without
him giving me such a hard time. I remember how strange and exotic it
all was back then, back when "alternative music" was just about to
I ran into him at Stormy Records in Dearborn about this time last
year when he finally stopped managing Record Collector(I am 24 now).
I brought up how he would always be really mean to me, and how I
thought that was so great. He felt kind of bad, but it is one of
those memories on Detroit in the 90's that I would not trade for
anything. The thing I love about those guys and their music is that
they are such utter Detroit characters. They are the kind of people
that can only exist in this city, and they made the last 10 years so
― Michael Taylor, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Favorite thing on Time Stereo is the CD of the '60s Indonesian guitar
band whose name is presently escaping me. Lovely.
― Douglas, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― bob snoom, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― helen fordsdale, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Run of course by Windy and Carl! Woohoo! Everyone go to the store site and make them rich.
I have always thought this and still believe it: if you take "Are You
Coming Down This Weekend?" and then after letting it run through once
create a monster building techno track of some sort, the vocals then
looping and cascading throughout the mix, you'd have an instant
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link
The Steps...that CD cracks me up. That one guitar player - good lord. BEE-DEEP! BEE-DEEP! For the ENTIRE...ALBUM...
Ned wrote: if you take "Are You Coming Down This Weekend?" and then after letting it run through once create a monster building techno track of some sort, the vocals then looping and cascading throughout the mix, you'd have an instant classic.
Although it's not exactly what you're describing, King of Sweet has a pseudo-dance remix of that song that's 10 minutes long (but it goes off on tangents midway through, as HNIA are apt to do).
HNIA have been dropped from 4AD, for better or for worse. I've seen little promotion regarding their latest album, Last Night, despite it being great as usual. Sigh.
Big, big recommendation for HNIA's The Emergency LP on Time Stereo, which has some unbelievably good covers ("Ain't No Lie," "Sunshine on My Shoulders," "When the Lovelight Starts Shining..." by the Supremes). They even cover Unrest's "Imperial," which makes my head spin...one of my very favorite bands covering another of my very favorite bands. There's even a pseudo-reggae version of Beethoven's "Ode to Joy."
― Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 22 February 2003 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Oddly enough, I just listened to that album today -- very enjoyable, Warren and company still have it. I guess it's just Time Stereo on its own now, but that seems to have been his primary focus anyway these past years.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 February 2003 03:55 (sixteen years ago) link
― ejad (daje), Saturday, 22 February 2003 04:00 (sixteen years ago) link
― Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 22 February 2003 04:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I'll go with Stars On Esp as the best album, but Ft. Lake has had the best success among friends new to the band.
― derrick (derrick), Saturday, 22 February 2003 08:13 (sixteen years ago) link
― kate, Saturday, 22 February 2003 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link
― theodore fogelsanger, Sunday, 23 February 2003 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
― Gunther, Thursday, 5 June 2003 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 5 June 2003 02:11 (sixteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
― keyth (keyth), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 11 February 2006 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 11 February 2006 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Saturday, 11 February 2006 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Saturday, 11 February 2006 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
rockin' in the same boat. a friend of mine put it on in the record store (he's a long time fan) and i had no expectations. i love the looks on the customers' faces when the applause goes dintastic.
― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 11 February 2006 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― keyth (keyth), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― Sexy MFA (Hexy M.F.), Thursday, 23 March 2006 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm listening to 'Mouth to Mouth' for the 1st time in more than ten years and I can still not believe how weird it is.
― baaderonixx, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
How did I miss their 11 CD release?
― djh, Friday, 6 August 2010 06:42 (nine years ago) link
Concur with the poster above who preferred the early 4AD stuff. Defever had a lot of promise but I can't help feeling he lost sight of what made him good with the proliferation of styles and identities he chose to play around with. I remember the 4AD week at the ICA at which his performance was shockingly diffident. Also I saw them at some basement club in Islington at which they all came on in Kiss makeup.
― margana (anagram), Friday, 6 August 2010 08:05 (nine years ago) link
Personally have trouble comprehending the notion that HNiA peaked around Home is in Your Head.
― litel, Friday, 6 August 2010 08:55 (nine years ago) link
it isn't a difficult notion to embrace as it is their best album. is that a controversial opinion? the new record or the newest bit of that 11 cd thing is very nice as well. i have come to reduce my antipathy towards hnia 3.0 still, am i the only one wishes it was still karin oliver and not a clone. of course hiiyh had loads of singers but she sang the hits.
― keythhtyek, Friday, 6 August 2010 17:42 (nine years ago) link
the one that keeps sticking in my head is the Stars On ESP. Can't Always Be Loved was the last thing i heard that i liked though.
― koogs, Friday, 6 August 2010 17:54 (nine years ago) link
Detrola is my favorite for having the best pop songs
I remember liking the Gamelan disc from the 10 cd box set because I was studying Gamelans for a college paper around the time I heard that disc. Hardly characteristic of real Gamelan music though
― @( * O * )@ (CaptainLorax), Friday, 6 August 2010 21:55 (nine years ago) link
new album anyone? I quite like it. My wife eternally hates this band, every note they have recorded and released, regardless of the singer. I kind of adore all of it, when I remember to listen to it.
― akm, Sunday, 24 October 2010 15:26 (nine years ago) link
Eternal hate, that's pretty extreme!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 24 October 2010 15:53 (nine years ago) link
she pretty extremely hates them. I think it's the sing-songiness of it, and the often flat and not very good girl vocalists. she hasn't heard last night, someday my blues, or when the stars refuse to shine though...she might tolerate those albums since Lovetta was a much better vocalist than anyone else that has even worked with the band, I've now realized. I think those records might be the best ones, honestly, now; I certainly didn't think that at the time.
― akm, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 07:10 (nine years ago) link
your dismissal of karin oliver hurts my heart.
― keythhtyek, Thursday, 28 October 2010 03:41 (nine years ago) link
she is good, just not as good a vocalist as lovetta, and whoever it was that sang the bulk of stars on esp (erika hoffman?) was really flat.
was karin oliver in velour 100?
― akm, Thursday, 28 October 2010 06:38 (nine years ago) link
Bizarro 4AD HNIA >>>> Blues & Funk HNIA
except for Detrola, which is its own thing entirely
― Hugo Stiglitz, a rich young man in search of romance & adventure (Pillbox), Thursday, 28 October 2010 08:16 (nine years ago) link
Home is in Your Head still rules.
― john. a resident of chicago., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:18 (seven years ago) link
― keythhtyek, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:18 (seven years ago) link
wtf is 'in every ford' about and does it make anyone else uncomfortable?
― akm, Thursday, 21 September 2017 23:28 (two years ago) link
"Sick" is sick.
CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH(weedle weedle weedle)CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH(weedle weedle weedle)SWOOPING GUITAR SOLO!
― Hideous Lump, Friday, 22 September 2017 00:53 (two years ago) link
i can't claim to understand proggy metal, can someone tell me what Patterns of Light is doing well or poorly? it's just outside what i normally do. i mean, the vocals don't seem to be a fit for this, for example. i sorta get it, but i'm not sure i really know what these songs are pointing at. the tandems are ...? are they meant to be scary? i need a docent.
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 23:20 (one year ago) link
OMG Black Wings lol
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 23:34 (one year ago) link
Oh man their cover of This World Is Not My Home on the Stars on ESP record is one of my very favorite songs.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 00:15 (one year ago) link
Look up the 85-89 collection on youtube, it is so fucking cool. I like tons of their shit from several styles, but i lost track after detrola and this is like a soundblast from an fm station after hours of my early childhood, in some ways.
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 00:44 (one year ago) link
the bandcamp blurbage notes vocal stylings are similar to Free Design, and i was "YES. that's exactly the 3rd component of this set i was missing that goes along with the progginess and proto metal stuff!" it's so obvious, but my brain couldnt bridge across to what it was. this album is good weird.
― Hunt3r, Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:35 (one year ago) link
i have a ton of residual teenage love for Ft Lake. It's all over the place but the arrangements/production are/is fabulous
― brimstead, Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:42 (one year ago) link
Stars on ESP too
Weird. Don't think I'd noticed Kozelek's involvement on Stars on ESP until this week (though his name is clearly on the cover).
― djh, Saturday, 1 September 2018 21:30 (one year ago) link
I always assumed that Kozelek’s involvement on Stars on ESP is limited to co-writing "Across the Street". If he and Warren jammed on more, it just never made it to the album.
― Melomane, Saturday, 1 September 2018 22:40 (one year ago) link
Three albums of unreleased early Defever/HNIA are coming out - here's the first ("All the Mirrors in the House") to be released in June:https://hisnameisalive.bandcamp.com/album/all-the-mirrors-in-the-house-early-recordings-1979-1986https://bleep.com/release/129581-his-name-is-alive-all-the-mirrors-in-the-house-home-recordings-1979-1986
― ernestp, Saturday, 4 May 2019 14:14 (six months ago) link
^ Ordered! Curiously excited about this.
― djh, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 20:12 (six months ago) link
That 86-89 thing that is out there is so cool and loco, i’m tempted by this.
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 23:14 (six months ago) link
When I met Warren Defever and got a chance to talk to him for a while, I was surprised that he actually studied modern composition for a brief time before dropping out. But when I have thought about his earliest instrumental works – and now this sample of new early Defever – I feel we are lucky he dropped out. If he had made a career in contemporary-classic circles, he might have just ended up as yet another forgettable post-minimalist composer among many. Working in the pop world let him instead take that post-minimalist experimentation and create albums like *Livonia* and *Home is in Your Head* that sound like no one else.
― Melomane, Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:51 (six months ago) link
There is now a review of "All the Mirrors in the House" on The Quietus. The author raises the possibility that these ambient tracks do not actually date from Defever’s youth, but rather that back story is just another one of the lies and fabrications that Defever is notorious for.
― Melomane, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:56 (five months ago) link
What are his other lies?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:36 (five months ago) link
Here is a list of some of them up to 1999. There have been a fair few since. Warren Defever is not a bad man, he just likes having some fun with interviewers and publicity.
― Melomane, Saturday, 22 June 2019 12:14 (five months ago) link
Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth is still an incredibly beautiful record and if you'd never heard it and someone told you it came out this year you wouldn't bat an eyelid.
― Funky Isolations (jed_), Monday, 8 July 2019 01:05 (four months ago) link
yeah it's really good. frankly most of the albums are good if not great. Blues got a raw deal at the time, so much backlash from 4ad fans that was frankly racist in nature. I saw Warn and Lovetta play a duo show in SF and the crowd was fucking terrible.
― akm, Monday, 8 July 2019 02:52 (four months ago) link
i don't understand how that album happened just like i don't really understand most of his stuff, but i appreciate the hell out smbwcte, the combo is remarkable.
― Hunt3r, Monday, 8 July 2019 03:37 (four months ago) link
All through 2000–2001 it was claimed that the release of Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth was delayed because the designers hadn’t finished the artwork. Then, a few years later it was revealed that 4AD was actually sitting on the release of the record because they didn’t know how to market it. I can’t help but feel that they weren’t trying too hard. Upon the album’s release I was surprised at how no advertising was being done in R&B and soul media – 4AD just couldn’t go beyond the indie music circles it was used to – and so is it any surprised that it was a flop sales-wise?
That said, Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth is at the bottom of my HNIA album rankings. Warren praised Lovetta for never singing a song the same way twice, but I see that as a flaw in technique, not a plus. But even within Lovetta-era His Name Is Alive, I found the Time Stereo release When the Stars Refuse to Shine a lot more moving.
― Melomane, Friday, 26 July 2019 16:39 (three months ago) link
Interview with Warren: https://therecoup.com/2019/08/07/beauty-only-lingers-a-conversation-with-warren-defever/
"I vaguely remembered having six or seven new age or ambient recordings that never really got released so I got Shelley from Tyvek to do the transfers for me. I really can’t listen to much of that stuff, like the tapes of me adding harmonica to Bob Dylan songs that didn’t have harmonica when I was 12 or all the U2 covers. She did a great job and didn’t judge me too harshly. We’re still friends."
The new tape is coming out September 19, "6teen Ok": https://hisnameisalive.bandcamp.com/album/6teen-ok
The postage (shipping from the U.K. to the U.S.A. in my case) is almost the cost of the tape unfortunately. Total price via PayPal is just under $20, FYI, but since it's Bandcamp, you'll also get high quality downloads.
― ernestp, Sunday, 15 September 2019 18:37 (two months ago) link
Also, the whole album won't be available as digital downloads unless you buy the tape: "PLEASE NOTE DUE TO COPYRIGHT RESTRICTIONS THE FULL RELEASE IS ONLY AVAILABLE ON CASSETTE - IF YOU PURCHASE THE DIGITAL VERSION YOU ARE ONLY PURCHASING THE 3 PREVIEW EDITS"
― ernestp, Sunday, 15 September 2019 18:50 (two months ago) link