Bob Dylan, "Love and Theft"

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Of 55 (!) Dylan-related threads not a one is devoted to his most recent studio album, which I was surprised to realize is already nearly three years old.

What does ILX think of "Love and Theft"? No hyperlinking to articles by Greil Marcus please.

P.S. Perhaps we should have a "Dylan" category.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 16 July 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll share my thought after hearing this record several times: "This is the first new Dylan album of my lifetime that I'm not at least slightly embarrassed about!"

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 16 July 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Greil Marcus quip aside, would this album have been made (i.e. in the way it was made) without Marcus? It seems that his criticism of Dylan has had some effect on the man himself. At least that's my call.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 16 July 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i absolutely disagree with you on the greil marcus having an effect on bob.. that is absolutely LAUGHABLE.... bob pays no attention to critics..

my take is love and theft much like most dylan albums is a great album...its high points , however, are not as high as time out of mind's high points (say not dark yet) but its more consistent..

its a great record as a tribute to AMERICAN MUSIC>.its got bluegrass, country, rock and folk and the kitchen sink in it...

i wish he had used the arrangement sheryl crow used on mississippi(he gave her the song to record before he recorded it) instead of slowing it down like he did.....

i think its hard not to like love and theft...BUT its not an album that moves me as much as other parts of his ouevre...

i can't wait for him to release another one but i'm pretty sure its going to be a few years.. he only releases albums to drum up business for his shows.. he has no real interest in recording... thats pretty apparent...

serge, Friday, 16 July 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"bob pays no attention to critics.."

He might have done a 180 on this later, but he did give a blurb for "Invisible Republic," I believe it was.

As for the album, I love L&T even more than TOOM. I think it's off base to say he's not much interested in recording when he put so much work into these two records. He even booted Lanois off the L&T sessions because he wanted a different sound. His interest has obviously been rekindled.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 17 July 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

outside of Sugar Babe, ZZZZZZZZ.

And while musicians seldom, ah, intrude on Dylan's creations, Charlie Sexton may be the worst guitarist ever for him. A much worse presence than the Dreaded Lanois, which is saying something. Fako Americana effect. I'd rather hear Dylan sing 'We Three' then try to rewrite it.

rumple., Saturday, 17 July 2004 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm only a very moderate Dylan fan (if that), so for what it's worth and all that--but I didn't

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 17 July 2004 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

whoah

Slow


down.

--didn't like it much. I hardly remember what it sounded like. Slow Train Comin' might be embarrassing lyrically at times, but musically, I'll take it over Love & Theft. But then, I think Slow Train Comin' is pretty good.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 17 July 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Dylan has made comments throughout the years on Marcus' 1970 Rolling Stone review of the infamous Self-Portrait album -"What is this shit?" - but I think it is fair to say that in general he could care less what people write about his music.

The notion that he only records to drum up business for his shows is nonesense. Dylan is one of the only musicians outside of jazz who actually tours whether he has an album to promote or not. It is true that he has little patience for the recording process - but he tours relentlessly - it matters not if his latest record is 3 years old or 3 weeks old - he does not tour to promote records and he does not make records to promote tours. He records when he has new songs and he tours because he loves playing live.

originalspin, Saturday, 17 July 2004 00:52 (nineteen years ago) link

not too much a fan of love and theft, BUT:

the late '90s live versions of 'love sick' etc are kind of incredible

mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 17 July 2004 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

who here's read the book?

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 17 July 2004 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it is amazing. There is some stuff worth reading about it at dylanchords.com.

olle, Saturday, 17 July 2004 05:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the album quite a bit. I last listened to it a few weeks ago, coming out of a period of listening to his early (acoustic) albums -- and it seemed especially nice in relation to those. I like how it's an album you wouldn't be surprised to find that same guy doing forty years down the line, if you somehow missed everything since "Another Side."

Some of the songs are better than others (the album gets snoozy at times). And the playing is a little too dull and "old-guy professional" for my taste (it makes me think of a talk show band). But I like everything about "Mississippi." And I think the lyrics are really entertaining and sharp all the way through.

And his voice... man oh man... it's just one of my favorite things in the world.

(I haven't heard any of the albums between Under the Red Sky and this one.)

morris pavilion (samjeff), Saturday, 17 July 2004 05:54 (nineteen years ago) link

dylan's blurb for invisible republic: "this book is terminal, goes deeply into the subconscious and plows through that period of time like a rake. greil marcus has done it again."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 17 July 2004 06:35 (nineteen years ago) link

His best album since the 60s, for my money. And that's from someone who had all but given up on Dylan by the 90s.
I'm surprised to hear that Dylan prepared a blurb for GM's book. I read an interview he gave a few years ago where he said Marcus goes "way too far" in his analysis of Dylan's work.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Saturday, 17 July 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

original spin: you miseed my point.. he lives for touring obviously and the albums are recorded to drum up business for his tours.. he is playing 130 plus shows a year and spends what five days every four years in the studio??? hard to argue he cares too much about recording albums.. having read a few bio's its clear that bob has a bit of a phobia about the whole recording process.... he likes to go in there and get out as soon as possible..

greil marcus' invisible republic is shite. its just a bunch of mumbo jumbo.. he goes way too far in his analysis... thats my opinion of course....

and i love self portrait too!

serge, Saturday, 17 July 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

the idea that love and theft is his best album since the 60s is INSANE... you cannot seriously believe its better than blood on the tracks???

serge, Saturday, 17 July 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

dylan's manager writes all the blurbs. check out the one for the levon helm book.

rumple, Saturday, 17 July 2004 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't like greil marcus's stuff very much, and i think his basement tapes book is among his worst, but be that as it may, dylan did write the afore-cited blurb and has mentioned marcus in interviews on occasion. i do wonder if the critical response to his two "covers" albums of the early 90s (led by mr. marcus) helped sway him in the direction he's gone in recently, that's all. i think dylan-not-paying-any-attention-to-critics is part of his mythology, i get the feeling it's not as true as most presume.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 17 July 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, so you were in the room when Dylan wrote it? Did you correct his spelling, too, Henny Penny?
Whatever, Dylan thinks of GM, the mgr. writes the blurbs. Not that I was in the room, but this I know. I just think they're funny.

rumple., Saturday, 17 July 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i hadn't read your post and i didn't mean to contradict you directly. i think you are getting too snidey than the circumstances call far.

i didn't mean to imply that no one but dylan had touched that blurb. perhaps his manager did write it (but i wonder how you are so sure), but in any event dylan signed off on it. it's not as though his name appears under blurbs terribly often.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 17 July 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

the idea that bob dylan of all people doesn't write his own book blurbs (and there's only two that i know of, the other being on "last train to memphis") is fuckin' ridiculous. it sounds like dylan anyway, i can't imagine some manager writing that.

"invisible republic" is only like 10% "about" dylan's songs anyway.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 17 July 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"Invisible Republic" makes no sense.

shookout (shookout), Sunday, 18 July 2004 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

snidey's in the house, albeit briefly.

Levon Helm book blurb #3. I agree that if it had his imprint, what's the diff, but you REALLY think it sounds like him?

"Greil Marcus has done it again."

rumple., Sunday, 18 July 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked Love and Theft the first couple times I heard it, but it didn't really make sense to me until I put it on as background music during a poker game and it sounded great and made me realize what he was going for -- an album that would sound good with pretzels and beer. It's a party record. And a good one too. Better than X or Y, I don't know, it's even hard to compare it to Time Out of Mind because the whole vibe is so different. But it's good, for sure, and maybe great, and either way it makes me happy.

spittle (spittle), Sunday, 18 July 2004 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

It is indeed better than Blood on the Tracks, one of Dylan's more overrated efforts. I start nodding out on some of the songs, and the band SUCKS.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Sunday, 18 July 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

And yes, the Greil Marcus book was indeed a piece of crap.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Sunday, 18 July 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

blood on the tracks is one of the greatest albums of all time... if you're nodding off you may wish to stay off the crack pipe..

sorry .. i don't think we are going to reach agreement on this...

serge, Sunday, 18 July 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Who says we have to agree?

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Sunday, 18 July 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

freddy or not, here i come!

Decent, but "Time Out Of Mind" destroys it. And there was no need to give the best song to Sheryl Crow before reclaiming it.

Brian the Snorf, Monday, 19 July 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Like other people on this thread, I have often wondered whether L&T was directly in part a response to Marcus's IR.

It looks like nobody has a definite answer. But ... in 'High Water' he even rehashes the old Coo-Coo song!

My other quandary is: Love and Theft vs Time Out Of Mind. I have never quite been able to choose. Perhaps I do rate TOOM higher, but L&T is such a lot of fun.

the bobfox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 09:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Sheryl Crow's version.

the bobfox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

love and theft is like a mediocre leon redbone album

misery, Saturday, 18 September 2004 09:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Love and Theft start to finish better than TOOM, but there are a couple of songs on TOOM (ha, I never thought about that acronym -- fitting) better than anything on L&T.

I mostly like Love & Theft because it's kinda spry and punchy, not what I was expecting after TOOM. A handful of great tunes and a whole bunch of good ones.

spittle (spittle), Saturday, 18 September 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

pinefox: i think it is, in part, a response to marcus's book. i don't think it's so much that bob wished to "answer" the book as he may have been inspired to revisit certain of his influences, and revisit his way of making music a little too. i don't say this to credit or discredit marcus's book, which i think is just ok with some big flaws. nor do i wish to give marcus total credit for the inspiration of L&T. but i think there is definitely a connection. cheers.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

oh and L&T is totally suffused with references (musical and lyrical) to the Harry Smith Anthology-and-offshoots stuff that marcus helped to revive interest in. obviously dylan was letting this stuff under his skin while marcus was still in short pants, but i think the sudden (?!) reappearance of it as a major piece of dylan's aesthetic might have something to do with the general revival of interest in same...of which marcus is an important figure.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
is it misguided of me to wish the production could be like on the late sixties records? it feels like the biggest 'flaw' here - yes, like someone said, quite like a leon redbone record.

i mean, i probably wish that about lots of records, but, you know.

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 06:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the production! The punchiest mix of his career!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 10:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess I should hear all of TOOM before making my judgment, but based on the songs I've heard, it seems that L&T is just so much more full of life, energy, sparkle, swing, and sashay. "Not Dark Yet" is admirable, but I have a hard time getting very excited about it.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree. TOOM's production really let down those songs, some of which are windy non-entities anyway ("Can't Wait," "To Make You Feel My Love," "Til I Fell in Love With You").

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I love both records, two of his best. One thing I love about L&T is how Dylan's gone beyond the Harry Smith circle of folk/country/country blues artists that have always been near and dear to him. I've been surprised a couple of times to hear snatches of L&T melodies on Billie Holiday and Louis Armstrong records. Like serge says above "its a great record as a tribute to AMERICAN MUSIC>.its got bluegrass, country, rock and folk and the kitchen sink in it..."

Not Thaat Chuck, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

o. nate completely OTM.
TOOM always struc me as so dull and bloated, due in large part IMHO to Lanois. Love and Theft on the other hand sounded like a tight lil' combo going into to the studio and nailing an album in 5 days. Exactly what I wanted Bob to do at this stage in his career.

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Dylan should record throwaways as good as LAT the rest of his life.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm amazed that several posts say the Sheryl Crow arrangement of Mississpippi is superior, Dylan's is 100X better, far more stateley and poignant.

shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I heard that Dylan hated Lanois' work on TOOM; does anyone have any quotes about this?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

"I heard that Dylan hated Lanois' work on TOOM; does anyone have any quotes about this?"

I don't have "Chronicles" handy, but, yeah, he confesses he wasn't happy with Lanois "voodoo" sound. I'm inclined to blame both Lanois' production and Dylan's uneven songwriting.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the RIFFS on this album, probably more than anything else, and I like just about everything about it. he talks about reaching a kind of weird detente w/Lanois, there's definitely some grudging admiration there. (haha he also mentions Greil Marcus in the book, wonder if his manager wrote that?)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I just don't get the complains that LAT rates a "zzz." Dylan's phrasing and the mileage he still gets out of that corroded voice would be pleasure enough even if that wondrous backing band wasn't cracking out great riffs.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

is it misguided of me to wish the production could be like on the late sixties records?

Not "misguided," but you might as well wish for a pony while you're at it. I think Dylan's been trying, sporadically at least, to recapture that sound for the last 30-odd years.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I suspect that "thin, wild, hard mercury sound" (sic) is just one of the chimeras he's been pursuing for the last 30 years.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i do want a pony also while i'm at it if it's not too much to ask

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I got a new pony

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe I should listen to this again. When it came out I thought meh. Much preferred TOOM although that was gloomy enough that I need to be in a particular frame of mind to appreciate it. L&T, from memory, had too many songs with an orthodox 3 chord blues structure, something I just find impossible to enjoy these days, particularly in faster tempos. I tend to like Lanois productions for Dylan: "Oh Mercy" may be my favourite Dylan album nowadays, certainly my pick as his most critically underrated. But I'm only a moderate Dylan fan and don't generally listen very carefully to the lyrics, so I'm pretty unrepresentative.

frankiemachine, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

Just got ambushed by "Honest With Me" on Exponential Radio (this NPR audio channel on TV)--serious banger.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 September 2017 07:45 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

calls down to room service,
says, “send up a room”

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 August 2022 11:52 (one year ago) link

knockin’ on the door, i say, “who is it and where are you from?”
man says, “freddy!” i say, “freddy who?” he says, “freddy or not here i come”

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 9 August 2022 12:08 (one year ago) link


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