Bobby Darin C/D

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Rock and Roller
Sinatra style crooner
Folk rocker
Junkie
Oscar nominated actor
Singer/songwriter
Political activist
Dead at 37

Not only that but he had a heart condition which he knew could kill at any time and he knew he certainly wouldn't live much beyond 30. So CLASSIC.


Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, all the above, and also made a few great surf records with Terry Melcher.
Undisputably classic. The film is gonna be unmissable.

harveyw (harveyw), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Very classic, at least his later folky period (don't go as much for his early rock/Frank Sinatra-ish stuff, though I do like "Beyond the Sea"), stuff like his covers of "If I Were a Carpenter" and "Reason to Believe".

My favorites by him are "Rainin'" (I can't believe it was relegated to a b-side), which is an absolutely killer tune. Also glorious is "The Girl Who Stood Beside Me", which was a failed single, IIRC. Has a Simon & Garfunkel-in-upbeat mode, and what sounds like bagpipes wailing away in the background for the entire song.

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah that one with the bagpipes is great

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Shit, I meant to write search for BORN ROBERT WALDEN CASSOTTO and COMMITTMENT, albums he made in the late sixties and released on his own label, DIRECTION. It's some of the most inspired and moving stuff I've ever heard! You won't believe your ears.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Neither has ever been released on CD, which seems a bit odd to me

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's a travesty, and my tape with both albums on it has been destroyed. Luckily, I've got a friend who is obsessive over this stuff and can make me another copy, which I need to go ahead and ask for.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Personally, I think I prefer the more upbeat stoner vibe of Committment to the sometimes painful and morose Born Walden Robert Cassotto, but they are really both incredible. There were a couple singles released on Direction, too. I need to check that link to the Kevin Spacey movie. Spacey is really perfect for the role, but he's already older than Darin was when he died.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Just yesterday I picked up a UK pressing (!!) of "Change" from the "Born WRC" LP. It's an extraordinary LP. The "If I Were A Carpenter" album is a fantastic piece of work too, and quite a few of his 45 sides from that era are uncollected on LPs (search "She Knows", an undiscovered Bonner/Gordon gem)

harveyw (harveyw), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I actually prefer "Inside Out" to "If I Were a Carpenter" -"I Think It's Gonna Rain Today", "Whatever Happened to Happy" and (best of all), "Back Street Girl".

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Junkie??

Bobby Darin is super classic. Jaw-droppingly talented. This DVD is simply amazing. A man who was dying from a bad heart kicking it like James Brown, it's fucking unreal.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link


All I've heard of his, including the Vegasization of "Mack," is crap. Jaw-droppingly fascinating, but crap. Gimme Dino!

If that film gets made at least it'll finish Spacey's stardom (tho he's doing an excellent job of that without it).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I've heard that this is not to be missed by fans of the Direction era:
http://www.bobbydarin.net/bigsurcd.html
http://www.bobbydarin.net/bdbigsur.jpg

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Thursday, 30 September 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
His early Rock & Roll stuff isn't bad! He was signed to Atlantic, so the session players are all top notch. He hams it up a lot (so did a lot of early rockers!), but there's bite there, not at all comparable to Pat Boone or what have you. I like the giant hackishness of the lyrics too, it's sort of awe inspiring how many references to dances and other songs they pack into each line. Not too keen on his rockabilly effort, "Early In The Morning", tho.

"Mack The Knife" is awesome (tho I've never heard the Louie Armstrong version that it's based on), upbeat gangsta glee is so much scarier than the stark moralism of the original piece (which is great too, don't get me wrong.) It sort of sets the precedent for a few of his singles where he gets inordinately enthusiastic about death and disaster. "Clementine" is perhaps the most vulgar example, one giant tasteless fat joke that ends with a funeral. And what about "Artificial Flowers"? Total traditional pop sentimental ballad territory, and I think pretty much any of the Rat Pack types would have delivered it straight, but Darin just mocks it up all flashy. He can be very misanthropic, to say the least - easy to tie this all in with his life history, the knowledge that he'd probably die young, etc. Not that it matters much.

But "Artificial Flowers" does also bring up another point...I think there's something poignant in a guy who just happened to excel at the wrong medium for the time. Which is to say, Darin's calling was Vocal Jazz, at a time when that stuff just wasn't hip anymore. I can understand why he'd constantly want to reinvent himself, because it must've been pretty shitty to take up all the baggage that went with the Vegas shtick, just because he happened to have the same aesthetics. Not that I'm doubting that he had a blast with that role, too.

Who did those strings on "I'll Be There"? Jack Nitsche or summat?

He often did interesting things with standards. Not "You Must Have Been A Beautiful Baby" (urgh), but his "Nature Boy" is great, because he has the good sense to include enough whistles & bells to turn the thing into more of a spectacle and a showcase for that gorgeous melody. Most versions I've heard go all stripped down, which is unfortunate 'cause I really think the lyrics are crap. Nature Boy sounds like a bore. I also like his "What A Difference A Day Made", uncharacteristically laidback.

I've not heard much of his folk-rock period, which seems the main thing discussed here. Should I invest in that box?

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 21 April 2007 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Darin's "Not For Me" on the Yellow Roses album (I think ???) is a work of insane genius. A fantastic mixture of "Berlin" era Lou Reed style self absorbed nihilism and preposterously over-elaborate big band melodrama.

Sandy Blair, Saturday, 21 April 2007 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Dr Doolittle and Born Walden Robert Cassoto and Committment and Rare Darin on cd for the first time!

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:01 (sixteen years ago) link

"His early Rock & Roll stuff isn't bad! He was signed to Atlantic, so the session players are all top notch. He hams it up a lot (so did a lot of early rockers!), but there's bite there, not at all comparable to Pat Boone or what have you. I like the giant hackishness of the lyrics too, it's sort of awe inspiring how many references to dances and other songs they pack into each line. Not too keen on his rockabilly effort, "Early In The Morning", tho."

A few years back, I found a copy of TWIST WITH BOBBY DARIN at an outdoor flea market (which was a quickie comp of his "rockin'" sides), and fuck me if he doesn't sound like an East Coast Frankie Ford. The man sounds ready to fuck shit up! "Early In The Morning" I think is a great song, but the impact of "Splish Splash" (not on this album) has been dulled from just hearing it too damn much.

""Mack The Knife" is awesome (tho I've never heard the Louie Armstrong version that it's based on), upbeat gangsta glee is so much scarier than the stark moralism of the original piece (which is great too, don't get me wrong.) It sort of sets the precedent for a few of his singles where he gets inordinately enthusiastic about death and disaster."

It gets really confusing when he starts giving shoutouts ("...look out, Miss Lotte Len-ya! And ole Lucy Brown!"). Was that there in the original versions? Ella Fitzgerald sorta parodies it on her own hit version, mentioning Louis Armstrong and Bobby Darin...

"I think there's something poignant in a guy who just happened to excel at the wrong medium for the time. Which is to say, Darin's calling was Vocal Jazz, at a time when that stuff just wasn't hip anymore."

Darin was born at an odd time (1936)...too old to be a baby boomer, but too young to be part of the Rat Pack. Only someone that age could realistically aspire to be both.

"I can understand why he'd constantly want to reinvent himself, because it must've been pretty shitty to take up all the baggage that went with the Vegas shtick, just because he happened to have the same aesthetics. Not that I'm doubting that he had a blast with that role, too."

I think he CHOSE to go the Vegas route, it wasn't imposed upon him like the Motown acts.

"He often did interesting things with standards. Not "You Must Have Been A Beautiful Baby" (urgh),"

Yeah, his version was obnoxious, but that's what makes it so great. 'Specially that acapella intro - "well you know, well you know, well you know, well you know, you know you musta been a beautiful baby..."

"but his "Nature Boy" is great, because he has the good sense to include enough whistles & bells to turn the thing into more of a spectacle and a showcase for that gorgeous melody. Most versions I've heard go all stripped down, which is unfortunate 'cause I really think the lyrics are crap. Nature Boy sounds like a bore."

Not a fan of "Nature Boy" at all, and the crap lyrics are a major reason why.

"I've not heard much of his folk-rock period, which seems the main thing discussed here. Should I invest in that box?"

His folk-rock era was surprisingly convincing, and if he didn't have that Vegas image in front of him, he could have made a career in the singer-songwriter field just like Dion did.

Rev. Hoodoo, Friday, 28 September 2007 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Where did i get that "junkie" accusation in the first post? Can't remember now, musta read it somewhere. Not true, I think. Anyway, great that "Commitment" and "Born Walden Robert Cassoto" are being released, of course it would have been far too much to expect them to be on the same fucking CD, where they obv. belong. Stupid fucking record companies. Ha ha, you're all going out of business.

Tom D., Saturday, 29 September 2007 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Props to Daniel RF for repping "Artificial Flowers" - the song itself is pretty cheesy stuff but Darin's performance is instantly memorable for being so weird and sadistic. "Throw away those artificial flowers... those DUMB DUMB FLOWERS!" Classic.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 30 September 2007 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

What are the best Darin albums to look for in the Swing/Lounge/Vegas style? I picked up a dollar LP copy of That's All, which is great except that the record skips.

o. nate, Monday, 28 April 2008 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

finally got Commitment. wish i'd seen sean's recommendation earlier! this is great stuff.

not everything is a campfire (ian), Saturday, 7 August 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link

YES! Album is completely amazing. Born Walden Robert Cassotto is easily just as good.

Trip Maker, Saturday, 7 August 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Gotta get that one now.

not everything is a campfire (ian), Saturday, 7 August 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link

I think my buddy J3ff tracked down the bass player from those records once.
I don't even own actual copies of them, WTF. Got a cdr around here somewhere.
Commitment+mushrooms worked out really well iirc.

Trip Maker, Saturday, 7 August 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link

sounds intense tbh.
if i see another copy of commitment, i'll grab it for ya.

not everything is a campfire (ian), Saturday, 7 August 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Nice! Thanks, pal.

Trip Maker, Saturday, 7 August 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

No.1, sixty years ago this week... that's how you do key changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEllHMWkXEU

(I presume he's been cancelled, or something)

sbahnhof, Monday, 21 October 2019 01:04 (four years ago) link

I think my buddy J3ff tracked down the bass player from those records once.

Wonder which bass player this is.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 October 2019 01:07 (four years ago) link

XP That Kevin Spacey-autuered biopic hoodoo must be strong then...

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 21 October 2019 01:49 (four years ago) link


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