Pearl Jam - C or D?

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Even though they are guilty of serious crimes (like being the main influence for two whole generations of crap bands), I still find myself buying their records. Always a few gems to be found in there, especially in their latter work. So yes, I'm coming out as a sympathiser who can indeed spell the word 'pedestrian'. Anyone else?

Alacrán, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to write "Kill Eddie Vedder" on things in high school. Dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud. When the kids on a given afterschool special start up a rock band and the guy rips into his really wailing guitar solo that's what Pearl Jam's solos sound like. Godawful 'soulful' toilet-seat voice. I only like hard rock singers who sing like women. And Ian Gillan.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Surprisingly to my own damn self I become to like certain Pearl Jam songs. I wish I was the christmas tree... The stuff I hear lately, their recentish stuff, is good and completely different from the stuff I remember from when they were all over the media, which I hated. I still think Eddie Vedder's a phony baloney, though and I still own nothing by them.

Nude Spock, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a friend who swears by Vedder and his ethos. It remains rather mysterious to me.

turner, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

beautiful man and beautiful s inger done damage by crap quality of fans, slef included. no code = most brilliant LP

Geoff, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't worship them like I did when i was, jeez, 11 years old, but I maintain that there are strains of greatness throughout, from "Porch" to "Grievance". they've only gotten better, if still very inconsistent. and I do hold a big candle for the Jack Irons era, No Code was amazing in spots. but I wouldn't hold it against anyone for still hating them with a passion all these years since Ten... i'm sure some people will never get over being soured by some of the stunts they pulled early on. but i'm happy with them making better and better records with less and less sales each time

al, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No tunes! No proper tunes! That has always been my problem with the horrible PJ. The complete absence of melody, the bad guitar sound, Vedder's out of it gr(h)owl. Their songs seem patched together. Highly unappealing. Krusty fans, as suggested above. Or those regular guys who lift their fists when Rage Against the Machine is on. Pearl Jam makes me want to discriminate against people and turn into a musical fascist of the purist kind. Bad thing. I'm not like that. Pearl Jam should sack the Ved and start rehearsing funk covers, hire a black girl like Martina on vocals and put out a soul record. Maybe that would make them interesting.

Simon, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. Their albums the last few years have been spotty, but as you said, there always seems to be gems worked in. Regardless, their live shows are legendary which is precisely why they usually sell out 2 nights in most metropolitan cities when they tour, despite poor album sales. I hadn't paid much attention to them for years, (although I always wound up hearing the newer stuff thanks to friends or the public library)until I bought their live Seattle show (11/6/00) which is stunning. I picked up the Vegas show too (10/22/00) which is also very good.

Mark M, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

More of a charcoal-on-fax-paper drawing of a band than a band. And they don't even know it themselves.

dave q, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Rod McKuen and Savoy Brown would've been a terrible combination even in 1973.

dave q, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, I'll be the one to say it: Ten is an excellent Rock album. I wonder where my cassette is.

Jordan, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Do their songs rhyme yet?

Kris, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"turn into," Simon?

Josh, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What kind of crap egomania would possess a group to release a half- zillion live CDs? Since I don't give a rat's ass about PJ or their music, and I think that Beddie Wetter is a twat, I haven't actually been sussed to listen to any of these CDs. Nor do I think I have to, if their previous output is at all indicative -- I can't imagine that a Pearl Jam show in, say, Warsaw is all that different from one in Philadelphia, save from Beddie Wetter's tedious on-stage patter.

I mean, what kind of fucking egomania would possess a group to pull such a stunt, other than to fleece its fans? It isn't as if Beddie Wedder were Frank Zappa, whose boots from different shows one would want to hear (alright, I confess, I would want to hear). Or that PJ is the Grateful Dead, with an exceedingly loyal and devoted fan-base (any valid criticisms of the band's actual music and the fanbase notwithstanding). I mean, it's as if Foreigner or Foghat decided to dump a shitload of live CDs on the market during their respective heights of popularity. And that's just what Pearl Jam is -- the Foreigner or the Foghat of the Nineties.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 18 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Right on mate. The Tad said it all. I watched "Almost Famous" earlier on, and I love this (extremely rockist) film, however I could never understand why the band is so fucking disgustingly bad. The film's Stillwater actually sounds like Pearl Jam, but even more amateurish- sounding. An incomprehensible choice.

Simon, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and I repeat, Josh, I'm not like that (trying to sound like a Strokes record, haha).

Simon, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It's funny, the instant I saw this subject the only thing I could think was "Dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud." Couldn't even think of a suitably hateful adjective to describe them. And then that turned out to be the first response...

Justyn Dillingham, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh come on, Pearl Jam? You're just taking the piss now people.

OK, honestly? I've never heard them. Twenty ghastly seconds of "Jeremy" and then the whole of that same song on a jukebox and that is knowingly it. I feel rather proud of that. Why did anyone like grunge, can someone remind me?

Tom, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Crikey, Pearl Jam eh? (what were we thinking of etc etc) I have friends who like Pearl Jam, and to be totally honest despite them being my friends I can't help but take the piss, I mean, Pearl Jam, for God's sake...

DG, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Pearl Jam are of zero interest, but I quite like Vedder's singing on 'Against The Seventies' from the Mike Watt alb.

Andrew L, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yawn.

If I want to listen to Blackfoot, I'll go straight to the source.

Dave225, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, OK, I yield.

Sorry for the pun. I see a lot of folks here sticking to the first impression 'Ten' gave them, which turned them off to the band. I can fully understand that, because I for one can't listen to that record anymore without cringing. But, and I stress this, even as my musical tastes evolved (and I, like many of you I'd bet, must thank the grunge-hype for pointing me in that direction in the first place) I found Pearl Jam to remain interesting, both for their music (evolving from archaic bluesrock - yes, high krustyvalue indeed! - to a more substantial indie-oriented sound that wouldn't look too bad on a GBV or Superchunk) as well as their ethos (quite a popular word here, but you gotta appreciate what they do as a major-label act).

As for the bootleg issue. I think one of the reasons why they did it (apart from making obscene amounts of cash at the cost of about $300 per recording) is that, as Pearl Jam always condoned people taping their shows, there were tons of shit quality recordings going around at high prices. So why the hell not help folks out get a decent recording of a show they were at (or missed, after all these years I still never got to actually see them play live because shows still get sold out within minutes) AND make some cash? Makes sense to me.

Alacrán, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What exactly is a "toilet seat voice," Sundar? Does it sound like the grunts one makes on the can when one is constipated? If it is, I agree that that's a pretty apt description of Mr. Vedder's singing.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"toilet seat voice" = voice your toilet seat makes when it talks to you. What? Your toilet seat doesn't talk to you?

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Before this all becomes totally silly, let me chime in that Pearl Jam are an excellent rock band. The players has a great chemistry, most of the albums are packed full of classics, and Vedder's pipes are quite versatile, though I wish he'd do a bit more yelling these days; both he and Chris Cornell have really softened with age, haven't they.

In conclusion: classic, classic, classic.

Jack Redelfs, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
What is it that people like about Pearl Jam? The rock beat? That "grungy" guitaur? Or the heartfelt lyrics? Why does PJ irritate me like my place of employment? Is it because they are bland like khakis? Where is the beef?

Worker Drone, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Their best song to date is "Black". That's the only song of theirs that I would actively seek out.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
...wait! I just got it! "Pearl Jam"! Eeeeew. hahahaha!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

No tunes! No proper tunes! That has always been my problem with the horrible PJ. The complete absence of melody,

Love them or hate them, this is totally untrue. From their first record on up through the most recent, they've always written lots of highly melodic pop tunes. In terms of music science, you just can't fucking dispute that.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

but...their name! It means jism!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link

"Oceans" is a good song. I thought "Vs." was a good album for its time. I haven't heard anything since "Vitalogy".

I was actually talking to somebody at the TV On the Radio show this past Friday who was wearing a Pearl Jam t-shirt. He was a big fan and said they still put on a good show (not that I'd ever seen them live anyway).

I guess I'll go with classic.

kickitcricket, Monday, 3 May 2004 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link

So...did everybody else get the joke 15 years ago?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link

you guys?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Don't trip over the flannel shirt on your way out.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Vitalogy is their best record - it has the highest ratio of great songs (Corduroy, Not For You, Tremor Christ, Whipping, Satan's Bed, Better Man) to dross (Nothingman, Stupid Mop, Aye Davanita). No Code is pretty good too, about the same level of quality as the best stuff from Vitalogy, but with less cohesion as an album. There's pretty good music scattered throughout their catalog, but they've recorded a lot of clunkers over the years. They've been experiencing a bad case of diminishing returns from Yield onwards - for every good pop song they write now, they do about five or six songs which just drag along and sound very rote and formulaic.

I'll always have a big soft spot for them, and I revisit them every so often with some fondness.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I was actually talking to somebody at the TV On the Radio show this past Friday who was wearing a Pearl Jam t-shirt. He was a big fan and said they still put on a good show

tvotr and pj are not so far away from each other. except pj have more memorable songs. so far.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link

I had no problem with Sundar's "toilet seat voice" catchphrase. I'm not sure why, but that description made perfect sense the first time I read it.
tvotr and pj are not so far away from each other. except pj have more memorable songs. so far.

xpost - I see little similarity between tvotr and pj. I'm with you on the second sentence, though.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't explain it, but I think that there is some aesthetic crossover between TV On The Radio and Pearl Jam. I think it's easy to imagine them being fans of one another, of there being significant crossover in their fanbases. They should tour together.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

they both have a somewhat drone-y style of songwriting, they're both jammy onstage (or so i've been told about tvotr, whom i've never seen), but in general i'm with matthew: can't quite explain it, but the aesthetic crossover is def. there.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link

tvotr and pj are not so far away from each other. except pj have more memorable songs. so far.

That's for sure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Eh, I don't know - there's a lot of PJ songs which rely on vocal drone, but those are mostly songs from their first record or two. They have a lot of songs which are just straight-out melodic, like catchy boomer rock stuff.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't know, Pearl Jam was the only grunge band I didn't really like. Maybe its Vedder's growing desire to be just like BONO

Cacaman Flores, Monday, 3 May 2004 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link

"I think that there is some aesthetic crossover between TV On The Radio and Pearl Jam"

I suppose you could say that about a lot of "rock" bands, though.

I don't know, I think the guy just likes Pearl Jam, amongst many other types of bands and genres of music. We only discussed Pearl Jam when I noticed his t-shirt. The rest of the time, we talked about any number of other bands.

kickitcricket, Monday, 3 May 2004 22:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw that Madison Square Garden show that they released on DVD when it was on the Pay Per View freeview thing on my parents' satellite cable, and it was one of the most static performances I've ever seen. It wasn't just the way it was shot - I think that they (and Vedder in particular) just stopped being visually dynamic a long, long time ago. They play lots of songs and play generally strong performances, but the stage show is just non-existant. In that sense, there is absolutely nothing about Eddie Vedder (in terms of being a musician and a performer) which is at all like Bono. Bono is the biggest ham in the world!

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link

If Vedder wants to be just like anyone, I suspect that it is post-Clash Joe Strummer, or Pete Townshend.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link

But you know what Pearl Jam really is?

The Gen-X Bruce Springsteen.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Weirdly I don't mind them so much now. I sometimes have fond memories of "Glorified G" and "Rearview Mirror".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:03 (fifteen years ago) link

classic.

uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:03 (fifteen years ago) link

c-l-a-s-s-i-c. "No Code" is the most underrated album of the 90s.

dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Toilet-seat voice = voice like you're straining to squeeze one out?

Anyway, Ten has its moments, the best of which, you're right Dan, is "Black." I didn't really follow them much after that.

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:28 (fifteen years ago) link

would be a pretty cool cover without the heartbeat gimmick

omg what did you type to find this gif? (Spottie), Monday, 13 January 2020 22:45 (two months ago) link

Ottawa, Quebec City and fucking Hamilton? but no Montreal date.

sofatruck, Thursday, 16 January 2020 17:49 (two months ago) link

Eh, there will be more. I mean, I could have sworn there was no Chicago date, either.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 January 2020 18:37 (two months ago) link

"US Tour"

***skips everyplace between NY and Nashville

>:(

Pete Swine Cave (Eliza D.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 19:02 (two months ago) link

so they've finally done their "Eminence Front"

https://youtu.be/hdietlvGkds

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:17 (two months ago) link

Well, that was unexpected.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 12:44 (two months ago) link

Weird, for some reason I thought Brendan O'Brien had produced every PJ album (except "Binaural"), but no, just most of them. But not this one.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 12:50 (two months ago) link

I dig it.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:11 (two months ago) link

Kind of Muse-y, tbh. But I like it, too.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:29 (two months ago) link

lol i love this

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:00 (two months ago) link

cameron sounds like he's having a blast

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:01 (two months ago) link

I dig the many-Vedders coda

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:06 (two months ago) link

wow this was unexpected to say the least

I dig it

Dinsdale, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 21:50 (two months ago) link

that was fun! they might as well stretch out a bit at this point

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 21:51 (two months ago) link

this is so good wtf

omg what did you type to find this gif? (Spottie), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:10 (two months ago) link

when does the prins thomas discomiks drop

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:16 (two months ago) link

Weird and exhilarating to hear Vedder imitate David Byrne singing atop a Sleater-Kinney track from the last album.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:28 (two months ago) link

oh man i loooove this!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:13 (two months ago) link

You know, that album cover made me think of "Grace Under Pressure," but the red wave at the top is actually reminiscent of "Permanent Waves."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:39 (two months ago) link

I've already cooled on this song after a handful of listens, but still intrigued by the idea of a curveball PJ album in 2020. I'm not sure I ever listened to Lightning Bolt more than one time, if that.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:43 (two months ago) link

i liked Lightning Bolt a lot
(not as much as avocado tho)

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:49 (two months ago) link

Backspacer got a lot of plays from me, but even that one I haven't spun in years.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:56 (two months ago) link

No Code/Yield is their real sweet spot imo.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:56 (two months ago) link

00’s highlight is def Avocado, there’s literally not a bad song on the whole album

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 January 2020 05:45 (two months ago) link

weird to realize Eddie Vedder is older than Mick Jagger was when the Stones released Bridges to Babylon.

omar little, Thursday, 23 January 2020 06:04 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I heard “Dance of the Clairvoyants” for the first time last night and it’s surprising and I like it, but my brain keeps drawing a lot of parallels to the Killers “The Man” and insists on melding them into one song on mental replay. Just me?

Manitobiloba (Kim), Friday, 7 February 2020 14:11 (one month ago) link

I'd never heard that, but there are some very loose similarities.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 February 2020 15:30 (one month ago) link

Oh, I see that song was based around a Kool & the Gang sample. Cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8k90kIgG5Q

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 February 2020 15:33 (one month ago) link

weird to realize Eddie Vedder is older than Mick Jagger was when the Stones released Bridges to Babylon.

He’s almost as old as Time Out of Mind-era Dylan!

dad genes (morrisp), Friday, 7 February 2020 15:39 (one month ago) link

That's a good comparison.

xxxpost

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 February 2020 15:40 (one month ago) link

older than Mick Jagger was when the Stones released Bridges to Babylon.

Seems like it could make a good thread. Patterson Hood, David Yow, Steve Albini ...

Lol, I just looked up Mariah Carey, and wiki says "Born March 27, 1969 or 1970 (age 49–50)" wtf?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 February 2020 15:46 (one month ago) link

It’s not polite to ask a lady about her age.

dad genes (morrisp), Friday, 7 February 2020 15:56 (one month ago) link

I didn't read beyond her birthday(s), but I'm fairly certain there is more embarrassing information in that wikipedia entry.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 February 2020 16:02 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

"Dance" got me excited about the prospect of a weird late-career PJ album but unfortunately it's largely just boring and shaggy :/

brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Monday, 23 March 2020 23:23 (one week ago) link

It's rather dull, despite a sharp mix. Without knowing the credits, it sounds like acoustic Eddie Veder songs fleshed out by the band but unable to reject their garrulousness.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 March 2020 23:26 (one week ago) link

Yeah, that sounds right. Real missed opportunity.

brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Monday, 23 March 2020 23:41 (one week ago) link

Do they credit their songs to individual writers, or just to the band as a whole?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 00:03 (one week ago) link

individual writers

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 00:15 (one week ago) link

I really love it.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 00:29 (one week ago) link

I see they just released their eleventh album Gigaton. Had no idea but will play the singles for the heck of it

Bee OK, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 22:41 (five days ago) link

It's a muddle.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:09 (five days ago) link

"Comes Then Goes" and "Buckle Up" are the best from a band still trying to sound as if they weren't middle aged since their twenties; they worry themselves to death.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:09 (five days ago) link

I am deeply biased obv but i really love the album so far.

“Quick Escape” is my current favorite — mainly bc of the unashamed Zeppelin feel of the jangly riff & badass drums.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:27 (five days ago) link

I don’t think they are trying to NOT sound middle aged imo, they are not that cynical. I think they are more ok with being middle aged than most bands their age; and the varying styles is more just they just like pushing the boat out together :D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:30 (five days ago) link

I think the new one's excellent. And yes, Quick Escape is totally as if PhysGraf-era Zeppelin were a post-punk group.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 06:30 (four days ago) link

how much you love the new album witll depend on how much you believe in vedder, and i've always been a believer.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 06:30 (four days ago) link

I believe in him, the arrangements often tangle themselves in knots.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 10:40 (four days ago) link

As usual I'm into the non-ballads which makes up about half of Gigaton. "Dance" sounds much better as Track 3 than on its own -- I don't think it was a great lead single choice.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 15:30 (four days ago) link

weird to realize Eddie Vedder is older than Mick Jagger was when the Stones released Bridges to Babylon.
He’s almost as old as Time Out of Mind-era Dylan!
― dad genes (morrisp), Friday, February 7, 2020 10:39 AM (one month ago)

This is fucked. Jagger and Dylan felt 55 or older when those records came out. PJ still feels perpetually 40.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 15:45 (four days ago) link

As usual I'm into the non-ballads which makes up about half of Gigaton.

I like the slower-paced stuff as well, but Never Destination is a belter and an album highlight for me.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:21 (four days ago) link


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