New Jack Rose album? (Dec 2009: RIP Jack Rose)

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Apparently it's out but I was at Kims today and didn't see it. It's called Raag Manifestos and I think it's on VHF (??!?). Anyone heard anything?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 11 June 2004 03:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Roger, I think it was a tour thing but you can still buy it from a few folks. Midheaven have it listed here.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 11 June 2004 07:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's at Eclipse, too. Vinyl version forthcoming from Eclipse later this summer, apparently.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I heard him do a session on Resonance FM. Incredible. Anyone know a link for his mp3s/details/biog?

Kev hopper (spoombung), Saturday, 12 June 2004 07:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'Tis good. A few more raucous things than his usual Faheyesque stuff, but there's that on there aswell.

Wandering Boy Poet, Saturday, 12 June 2004 15:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
"Linden Avenue Stomp" is the jam.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

should i go see this guy live tomorrow nite?

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 April 2008 17:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

He's been really, really good both times I've seen him. His solo stuff (judging on the two live shows I've seen, both of which were 3-4 years ago) is pure Fahey/Takoma worship in a very good way.

Is he with Pelt? Pelt are flat- out great, probably the best drone-y group I've seen.

BigLurks, Thursday, 24 April 2008 18:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yes. I mean, why not? I saw him in a church in Chicago on a psych folk underground superstar bill (Espers, Heather Leigh Murray, Born Heller, Bridget St John, Fursaxa) and he was great! Have you liked solo acoustic performances in the past? If so, he shouldn't disappoint.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 24 April 2008 18:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink


Trip Maker, Thursday, 24 April 2008 18:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah i mean i checked out his myspace and it seemed pretty cool, was just wondering if anyone had seen him before....seems good, totes fahey, bert jansch etc etc etc but good

i'd kill to see espers

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 April 2008 18:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You should go, Matt. He rips shit up with the slide.

ian, Thursday, 24 April 2008 19:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Agreed. His slide playing is great to watch.

krakow, Thursday, 24 April 2008 19:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Picked up a couple of this guy's albums last night, Raag Manifestos and the one with the black cover, also on VHF. Both pretty good, playing a bit more straightforward than, say, Chasny or Blackshaw or other guys doing similar stuff -- more Fahey-esque, I'm aware he's often compared but if the shoe fits... anyway, so far I like him a lot.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 6 May 2009 16:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah i've been listening to him (and Pelt) a lot lately. def. more steeped in blues/appalachia than the guys you mentioned, yeah -- for once the Fahey comparison is fairly accurate.

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 16:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

Looking forward to an upcoming collab album with the Black Twig Pickers.
I bought a Jack Rose record from Mike Gangloff when he was in my town doing music with Pelt and Spiral Joy Band. I think it was a Dr Ragtime thing, I'm forgetting the name right now. It's really good, collaboration record with a bunch of folks on it, instrumentals. Mike plays banjo on a lot of the tracks. I'll have to check on the name of the record at home.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 16:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

He is indeed Fahey-esque: so much so that he even does the spoof liner notes thing on a couple of albums, signed "Joe R Sack, blues scholar".

I like him a lot - I really ought to get some more of his stuff.

Duke, Thursday, 7 May 2009 19:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

Details on that Jack Rose/Black Twig Pickers record. Guess it is out!
Members of Joy Band and Pelt join Jack Rose for the newest Jack/Twigs recordings - if you have enjoyed the collaborations on recent 7" and Dr. Ragtime records, then this is going to be a beautifulexperience!!! Shoudl be posted on soon!!!!!

Raw and rocking collaboration between Jack Rose and the Black Twigs with some of the most swinging, hard-hitting string music waxed in many a decade. Rose’s solo playing has always had a tough edge, with his prodigious technique often employed in the service of dropping right-hand bombs – his use of a thumbpick originates from his years of duets with Twig Mike Gangloff, struggling to make his guitar heard over Gangloff’s crashing banjo. The front line of Rose and Gangloff’s strings are joined by Isak Howell’s no-nonsense guitar and harmonica and Nate Bowles’ variety of expert percussion. The four players lock together with a sure-footedness honed by frequent touring and a singularity of intent to rock. Gangloff takes the vocals, howling out standards like “Little Sadie” firmly in the old-time tradition – without reserve. A few of the tracks here are updates of Rose & family classics, with the group turning the stately “Kensington Blues” upbeat and an issuing an assured take on “Bright Sunny South,” first recorded by Pelt (w/Rose and Gangloff) back in 2001 on their gonzo classic double “Ayahuasca.”

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 16:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

I don't have a link but apparently Jack Rose passed away due to a heart attack in his sleep.
Fucking awful miserable thing to have happen. Too young.

ian, Saturday, 5 December 2009 20:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

oh shit, no way! how old was he?

tylerw, Saturday, 5 December 2009 21:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't know exactly. Forties?

ian, Saturday, 5 December 2009 21:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah i didn't think he could be much older than that ... RIP ...

tylerw, Saturday, 5 December 2009 21:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

I really hope it's not true, where did you hear?

krakow, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

FUUUUUCK that. What?!

Trip Maker, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

oh man, also hope this isn't true. :-(

original bgm, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

No sign elsewhere yet, so I have hope.

krakow, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

I just saw jjt post something on facebook about it.

ian, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

yikes, RIP. glad I saw them/him.

sleeve, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

holy shit

crazy farting throwback jersey (gbx), Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

It's true. Cory from Threelobed just posted it to twitter.

krakow, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Totally unexpected and terrible news.

krakow, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

Awful. RIP.

twice boiled cabbage is death, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

That sucks - I've met him a few times and he was a really great awesome guy, in addition to being a great musician. The last time I saw him, there was this drunk dude heckling him, but I'm not remembering the details of it right now.

sarahel, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

This is fucking terrible news.

Duke, Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

sorry for the random update, but Three Lobed Recordings is extremely
sad to pass along news that our dear friend Jack Rose passed away this
morning in Philadelphia at the age of 38. This news is still fresh to
us and we're still trying to process it. Jack was a warm, caring
person and was always a pleasure to be around. His larger than life
spirit will truly, truly be missed even moreso than his inspired
musical ability. Our deepest sorrow goes out to his wife.

Rest in peace, Jack.


pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 5 December 2009 23:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

38! fuck me.

Duke, Saturday, 5 December 2009 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

That's fucking miserable. Going to jam some of those records tonight for sure.

ian, Saturday, 5 December 2009 23:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

couldnt believe it when that email arrived

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 5 December 2009 23:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

this sucks, just saying that again.

sleeve, Saturday, 5 December 2009 23:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Lord, I just saw a retweet from 3 Lobed about this. Hard to get my head around. Dude was barely a month older than I was.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 December 2009 23:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

geez, 38! i guess we're lucky to have gotten all the great music from him while he was here, but you can't help but think he had a lot left to give ...

tylerw, Saturday, 5 December 2009 23:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

now playing: Pelt "Ayahuasca"

I'm 5 years older than he was...

sleeve, Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

just played "Dr. Ragtime" -- such great, open-hearted stuff ...

tylerw, Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

I saw him pestered by a heckler to play "Kensington Blues" over and over at an instore at the old location of The True Vine in Baltimore and eventually he played it, with great humor and force and compassion. A great musician and a life-force. As I understand it through the grapevine, the heckler was a troubled guy who died not too long ago of a drug overdose, and now Jack's dead too.

I can't believe he's dead at 38. Jeez, I'm 38.

twice boiled cabbage is death, Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:07 (nine years ago) Permalink


Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

this is fucking awful. great musician, great guy.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

Show at the house here in a couple hours.. I intend to be playing much Pelt/Rose in between sets
This is totally a bummer

"I get through more mojitos.." (bear, bear, bear), Sunday, 6 December 2009 01:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

nice long jam w/ peter walker here ...
and a radio session here

tylerw, Sunday, 6 December 2009 02:38 (nine years ago) Permalink


Just saw this... :-(

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 6 December 2009 02:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

nice article... yeah, there should be some sort of big jack rose box set w/ unreleased stuff.
by the way, anyone have this? [link is dead there...]

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 22:12 (six years ago) Permalink

listened to "two originals of..." last night -- man, "red horse" has to be up there with the all time great Takoma epics. the whole thing is stunning.

tylerw, Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:47 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah man, that is killer. I need to own more Jack Rose records.

grandavis, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:05 (five years ago) Permalink

I suppose red horse was the first solo piece he released? arrives perfectly-formed. that bit ~1.20-1.50, gaaaah. mb the only thing that withstands comparison to the great san bernardino birthday party. it was always a beautiful, melancholy piece but it feels so sad now.

ogmor, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:21 (five years ago) Permalink

think i posted this over on the other thread, but if you missed it -

tylerw, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Whoa, thanks Tyler. If you posted it already I missed it.

I wonder how much of this (Red Horse)was improvised? Some of it is so damn good it is hard to imagine it being so, but it seems a lot of times pieces this long are "loosely structured" so say the least. I gotta say, that interview in Arthur was really enlightening, just full of cool details. Like I said, I gotta get more Jack Rose records.

Sad doesn't even begin to describe the feeling. The way he pushed himself, and the run he was on, made it pretty evident that he had some tremendous things ahead of him. Just a shame, but at least he got a pretty decent amount out whilst charging ahead.

grandavis, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:34 (five years ago) Permalink

xp sun dogs! heard him play it in a church & it was the most incredible thing

ogmor, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:35 (five years ago) Permalink

by the way, anyone have this? [link is dead there...]

Yeah I have that. Pretty lo-fi (in both sound & packaging) CDr. Don't recall if I got it from Volcanic Tongue or Rough Trade.

Wandering Boy Poet, Friday, 24 May 2013 12:48 (five years ago) Permalink

ysi? actually i'd just settle for a tracklisting...

tylerw, Friday, 24 May 2013 14:38 (five years ago) Permalink

i have that nice and nasty thing. could post a track listing tomorrow.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 24 May 2013 18:28 (five years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

VHF have put their entire in print catalog on Soundcloud and that includes _Kensington Blues_...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:43 (five years ago) Permalink

As mentioned upthread re: the Arthur issue it appeared in, the extensive interview with Jack done a few months before he died

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 December 2013 02:47 (five years ago) Permalink

great interview...
amateurist (or anyone else) would still like to see the tracklisting of that nice and nasty comp....

tylerw, Thursday, 5 December 2013 16:25 (five years ago) Permalink

That interview is great. There is a Coley rundown of Rose's recordings in that issue as well I believe, which is also great.

grandavis, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:04 (five years ago) Permalink

Still sad as hell that he passed.

grandavis, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:05 (five years ago) Permalink

they've put up that discography as well it seems:

tylerw, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:06 (five years ago) Permalink

still some stray tracks i need to hear... like the "hey fuck you rag"!

tylerw, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:08 (five years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:08 (five years ago) Permalink

Man, never seen any of those "damaged guitar gods" cards. Cool idea, are they posted generally somewhere?

Also, I also haven't heard "Hey Fuck You Rag" but imagine that it is amazing based on the title alone.

grandavis, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

the damaged guitar god things have been in a few issues of the Galactic Zoo Dossier mag -- I've only got one set. but they are pretty fun!

tylerw, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:35 (five years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:36 (five years ago) Permalink

from over here:

tylerw, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I knew the Galactic Zoo Dossier guy did them, but had never seen them. Thanks for sharing, fun indeed. Maybe another thing to add to the Christmas list ....

grandavis, Thursday, 5 December 2013 17:40 (five years ago) Permalink

played raag manifestos again the other day after listening to kevin drumm's sheer hellish miasma. hart crane's old boyfriends still sounds like staring into a black hole & i really miss that playing & the attitude behind it

ogmor, Thursday, 5 December 2013 19:07 (five years ago) Permalink

I need to go on a Rose listening spree. He was quite an individual, can't believe I missed him when he played here.

grandavis, Thursday, 5 December 2013 19:57 (five years ago) Permalink

Michael Yonkers looks like Marc Maron in that drawing.

Evan, Thursday, 5 December 2013 20:32 (five years ago) Permalink

i saw him play on new year's eve in knoxville just under a year before he died. during his set, power went out, he played on. most of the crowd seemed to be more buzzed for local band for which rose was opening; a bit too much talking during his set for my taste, especially since he wasn't amplified for most of it. i was totally spellbound though and bought a bunch of stuff from him and chatted afterward. i had only discovered him in 2005 or somewhere around there. my partner had been a pelt fan for longer. his death came as a total shock to me; it was horrifying. he was only a few years older than me.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 12 December 2013 22:22 (five years ago) Permalink

i think i still have that nice&nasty comp on itunes. email me to remind me and i'll look it up when i get home.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 12 December 2013 22:23 (five years ago) Permalink

actually i think it was new year's day (night).

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 12 December 2013 22:24 (five years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

Almost five years now. Dammit.

Daniel Bachman covering Jack's "Levee"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 November 2014 15:40 (four years ago) Permalink

i was just thinking it'd been five years. :(

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:52 (four years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

A tribute concert for Jack to be held in Philadelphia on December 19:

remembering Jack Rose

featuring performances by
Glenn Jones
Nathan Bowles
Daniel Bachman
Chris Forsyth
Megajam Booze Band

plus DJs Ian Nagoski and Michael Chaiken
and exclusive video of Jack performing

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:22 (four years ago) Permalink

megajam booze band!
listened to raag manifestos a few nights ago and wow -- i obviously like/love a lot of stuff that has come in Rose's wake in the past few years, but the dude towers pretty high above 'em all.

tylerw, Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:30 (four years ago) Permalink

Man I wish I could go to that. I imagine that is going to be a very heavy but musically super-rich evening.

Who is in the megajam booze band btw?

grandavis, Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:31 (four years ago) Permalink

ha, i don't know -- i just assumed it was going to be a collab between all the guys playing.

tylerw, Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:33 (four years ago) Permalink

I think they play periodically, see them on bills now and again. Maybe it is a Philly thing, i.e., a crew gets together to jam for momentous occasions? Sometimes Philly seems like the nexus of my musical universe, wish it was a little closer.

grandavis, Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:34 (four years ago) Permalink

Cool! Totally going, thanks!

liam fennell, Thursday, 4 December 2014 16:50 (four years ago) Permalink

R.I.P. Bill Kellum from VHF just shared this "early version" of Kensington Blues, apparently submitted in 2005 to the label but scrapped for what became the official album. Glad there is still new music from him to share:

grandavis, Friday, 5 December 2014 14:23 (four years ago) Permalink

Two originals of is my jack rose jam, that album rules

marcos, Friday, 5 December 2014 14:51 (four years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...


Fourteen-year-old Kent-based, Jack Rose is set to release a brand new single on the 11th of December 2015.

‘Chasing Cars’ is the follow up to Jack’s debut single ‘Lost’ and is the young singer’s unique take on the classic Snow Patrol tune from 2006.

Produced by Kevin Energy Thorpe from Big Jam Studios in Kent, the song will be accompanied by a stunning video by renowned film and music video director Mark J Blackman and produced by Inspiration Films (

The video will see Jack Rose star alongside TV and movie star Rosie Day and fellow actors Ceejay Sergeant, Michelle Archer and Graham Fletcher-Cook.

Taking inspiration from Ed Sheeran, Nathan Grisdale, Chris Brown, Eminem, Bruno Mars, Sam Smith and Ty Dolla $ign, the multi-talented Jack Rose, although only fourteen, has already proven himself to be an accomplished singer-songwriter, rapper, actor and radio presenter, hosting the UK Top 30 Countdown Show on Hit Mix UK ( every Sunday between 7 and 9pm.

A rare talent, Jack’s last single ‘Lost’ picked up radio airplay within hours of being released and he gained between 500 and 1000 Twitter followers per day from all over the world.

Jack Rose is set to announce himself to a wider audience in the coming months and he is without doubt a name to watch in 2016 and beyond.

a moment on the streets, a lifetime in the sheets (DJ Mencap), Friday, 13 November 2015 14:38 (three years ago) Permalink

see that this thread is kept clean

ogmor, Friday, 13 November 2015 14:48 (three years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Lordy at the above. To the real Jack: peace, once more.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 December 2015 19:02 (three years ago) Permalink


Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 5 December 2015 20:12 (three years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

good stuff to read (in conjunction with the reissues out today) (i put this one together)

these records still sound so good

tylerw, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:34 (two years ago) Permalink

It's so great to see him get this attention once more.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 September 2016 15:45 (two years ago) Permalink

should i go see this guy live tomorrow nite?
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:57 PM (eight years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

where was this anyway? turf club?

global tetrahedron, Friday, 16 September 2016 16:03 (two years ago) Permalink

been heavy into this lately & absolutely loving it, esp his ragtime/old timey stuff has gone from being my least to most favourite. some combination of playing/thumbpick/micing on kensington blues makes the bass on tracks like flirtin with the undertaker bludgeon the song to death a bit, but dr ragtime & his pals sounds awesome and is pure joy

really enjoyed the remembrances, the points about his craftsmanship & attention to sonic details are very otm, and the bachman stuff in particular is v sweet and chimes with my starry-eyed memories of meeting jack

also just want to bask in this magnificent sentence again:

His ragtime songs were so powerful and executed with such precision and might that even “hipsters” got it.

the stuff about him 'owning' everything he did rang true, and makes me think more about how confidently and fruitfully he followed fahey, thriving in his shadow, following him upriver deep into the mountains in such of the source. watching some of his performances on youtube it's incredible how much he looks & dresses like fahey, as if his quest had started transformed him physically, presumably starting at that mighty right hand. and yeah, it's great to hear sundogs again, was a truly awesome piece to hear

ogmor, Thursday, 22 September 2016 19:10 (two years ago) Permalink

I could live inside of "Sundogs".

grandavis, Thursday, 22 September 2016 20:19 (two years ago) Permalink

Seeing this thread has made me dig out Two Originals Of... God but Mountaintop Lamento is beautiful. Think I might put Effigy on next and go run around in the woods in a bear suit.

Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Thursday, 22 September 2016 20:37 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Nine years.

Great story:

“Yeah I got Terry Reilly records, man - at home, where ya listen to that kind of stuff. I’m trying get people to buy beers here!” - Jack Rose to Jeff Zeigler when the latter made a request while the former was DJ’ing at JBs. Relayed to me yesterday while mixing with JZ. RIP.

— Chris Forsyth (@TheChrisForsyth) December 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:44 (five months ago) Permalink

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