Big & Rich: Album of the Decade?

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Fuck it. This should not be hidden in a fucking Toby Keith thread:

By the way, I didn't see much of the country awards last night, but Big & Rich's performance was COMPLETELY. FUCKING. INSANE. Easily the most entertaining live musical performance I've seen on TV in, I dunno, forever. (Since, what, Funky Four Plus One on Saturday Night Live in '81? Public Image Ltd on American Bandstand in '80? Something like that. I dunno, maybe I'm forgetting something. But still...)

-- chuck (cedd...), May 27th, 2004.

OMMFG I saw the Big & Rich video too and all I could think was "This is Chuck Eddy's FAVORITE BAND AND/OR VIDEO EVER."

-- Matos W.K. (michaelangelomato...), May 27th, 2004.

Frank Kogan's two cents:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0244/kogan.php

Don Allred's two cents:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0222/allred.php

-- chuck (cedd...), May 27th, 2004.

The more I hear about Big and Rich, the more I'm definitely thinking I must hear this album. I take it they have a website?

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), May 27th, 2004.

Yeah, my Big & Rich magnum opus leads the Voice music section next week. (Album of the decade? Only time will tell.)

-- chuck (cedd...), May 27th, 2004.

I didn't see much of the country awards last night, but Big & Rich's performance was COMPLETELY. FUCKING. INSANE.

Which song did they do? Wonder if this'll be rebroadcast. I fuggin love these guys right now. Though the songs *may* all be about 30-75 seconds too long. But what to cut out???

(xpost)

-- frankE (frankeeeeeeee...), May 27th, 2004.

I got that CD about a month ago but it got lost in a cleaning shuffle. (Some folks clean to bring out the stuff they need; I clean to hide it.) Must. Find. ASAP.

-- Matos W.K. (michaelangelomato...), May 27th, 2004.

"Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)." Heh heh. (The songs are long, yeah, but they're long like 12-inch disco mixes! It's a whole new thang...)

-- chuck (cedd...), May 27th, 2004.

Ned, you will fucking DIE. They're the U.S.E. or Junior Senior of country!

-- Matos W.K. (michaelangelomato...), May 27th, 2004.

(well, probably not, but I wanted to whet Ned's appetite. and Chuck--you REALLY need to hear the United State of Electronica record.)

-- Matos W.K. (michaelangelomato...), May 27th, 2004.

The songs are long, yeah, but they're long like 12-inch disco mixes! It's a whole new thang...

SERIOUSLY! I'm especially big on Wild West Show (western epic as breakup metaphor, the plaintive "Hey Ya."s, the imagery, is that Zamfir I hear blowin?, the list goes on), Drinkin' 'bout You...shit. The whole thing. Can't wait for the article, Chuck.

-- frankE (frankeeeeeeee...), May 27th, 2004.

...and those "Hey ya" are hardly a booty (or bullride) call. It's great use of trope.

-- frankE (frankeeeeeeee...), May 27th, 2004.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm scared of your pronouncements, Chuck. Not because I've heard what you're talking about and I already think it's bad, but because when you talk about it, the way you reference things doesn't make me want to hear it. (12 inch disco mix neo country tunes? sounds excruciating)

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha Chuck didn't post that!

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

" "Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)." Heh heh. (The songs are long, yeah, but they're long like 12-inch disco mixes! It's a whole new thang...)

-- chuck (cedd...), May 27th, 2004."

am I reading this wrong?

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

no, you got it shakey.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

this i must here.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

from the holy shit montgomery gentry thread:

" (My single of the year so far, which may not make my top ten list unless I find out what it is, may well be This remix of some Montgomery Gentry-like hard-rocking country song I heard on Bethlehem PA's Cat Country Radio station featuring a unbelievably hard-swinging '70s arena metal 16th note drum funk break, which eventually turns into an extended rap section by a guy named, um, Cowboy Somebody. I only heard it once. If anybody has ANY idea what it is, I absolutely beg that they tell me.""

Looks like this is "Rollin (The Ballad of Big & Rich)" by Big & Rich featuring Cowboy Troy, first (!!!) song on THEIR album, which means the cut immediately preceding "Wild West Show," which is ANOTHER one of the year's best singles so far. Rap lyrics from the lyric sheet, holy fuck: "BAak home we love to dance/We could be two-steppin' or ravin to trance/And when the party is crunk the girls back it up/We've got the systems in the cars and the 20s on the trucks..."

-- chuck (cedd...), April 26th, 2004.


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actually, listening to the song with cowboy troy in it again, though, i doubt it will make my top ten singles.......and it may not rock as hard as I thought at first....very weird to hear without warning on country radio, though.
(The press release calls Cowboy Troy "the world's only six foot five inch, 250 pound black cowboy rapper, who throws down in three languages and has a degree in economics to boot." "Wild West Show" has a chorus that goes "hey yaaaaa" and guitars that totally sound like a spaghetti western or something, and Big and Rich say that their fans listen to Ludacris and Outkast and Kenny Chesney and Johnny Cash and Kid Rock, and that "Nashville's going to catch up with that"...."Life's as large as you want to make it.")


-- chuck (cedd...), April 26th, 2004.


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Or maybe the song with the rap in it (not the only one on the album, it turns out, though the most blatant one) DOES rock as hard as I thought it di.d (Hey, I just noticed part of it is rapped in Spanish too, cool, and then it goes into a hamsterdance squeak for a second). (And the album verges toward rock en espanol now and then, too.) Well anyway, I got a few months to decide if the song'll make my top ten I guess. Album looks like a top ten possibility for sure. (PS Did I mention Will to Power cover both "Man of Constant Sorrow" AND "The Bottle" by Gil Scott Heron on THEIR new LP? I can already tell this year's top ten is gonna be impossible to whittle down. And to think some people out there still think music sucks now. Jeezus. THEY suck.)
-- chuck (cedd...), April 27th, 2004.


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If I hear one more redneck comment blindly on terrorism (a la that idiot Toby Keith), I'll flip.
-- uh (enochsnowj...), April 27th, 2004.


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That song sounds totally dope, chuck. You know, of course, that Rich of Big&Rich co-wrote "Redneck Woman," right? And that the best song on that Gretchen Wilson album is a gospel song about drag-racing chariots? And you've heard the scratching on "If you ever stopped loving me," right?
And to Eddie: I admire your brave stand; like I said, I used to feel that way, that there were whole segments of the country that I could snub because they weren't as enlightened as me. Then I realized that that is really fucking arrogant so I stopped. I was so much older then, etc.

-- Begs2Differ (cibul...), April 27th, 2004

chuck, Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

from the rollin' 2004 country thread:

I just saw the CMT premiere of Big & Rich's new vide, "Save A Horse (Ride A Cowboy)", it was the most delightfully over the top thing I've ever seen.
-- Al (hoteloper...), May 15th, 2004.


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Damn, I turned on CMT, and they showed just a little snippet of it, and Big and Rich had top hats and frilly shirts on and stuff and were being interviewed between SheDaisy and Kenny Chesnesy clips, but I totally missed their video. I'll see it eventually, though, I'm sure. The album is FAR AND AWAY the best album of 2004, though. ANY genre.
-- chuck (cedd...), May 17th, 2004.


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Rollin' is a truly fantastic single that I would love to see performed live at, say, the Illinois State Fair whilst drunk. Thanks to Chuck for the tip.
-- frankE (frankeeeeeeee...), May 17th, 2004.


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It's not Randy Newman's "Rollin'," is it?
-- J0hn Darn1elle (edito...), May 17th, 2004.


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Been watching CMT and a lot of stuff sounds like U2/Police/Simple Minds/Midnight Oil! Is this a new development? In the video of Paul Brandt's "Leavin'" he's 'playing' an acoustic guitar while there's this 'Another Green Joshua Tree World" delay-pedal'd-distortion+huge-floor-tom drone happening!
-- dave q (scrape10...), May 17th, 2004.


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Perhaps it means that beat wise country can only get up to 1979 or so but that guitar wise ye olde 'modern rock' is safe now.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), May 17th, 2004.


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Big & Rich's beats go well past 1979. (So do Shania Twain's and Leann Rimes's, actually, and probably some other people's.) And Big & Rich's concept of rollin' has more to do with Fred Durst's or *Rawhide*'s than Randy Newman's. (Though their album does have a song about not being the right height for the town they live in, for whatever that's worth. Not to mention a sort of Hoagy Carmichael mint-julep lazy riverboat ballad number that Randy might appreciate.)
-- chuck (cedd...), May 17th, 2004.


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Are Big & Rich the Country Neptunes?
-- The Huckle-Buck (handsomishbo...), May 17th, 2004.

chuck, Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Here in small-town Iowa, where it's rural with a capital ROO, I know high school kids who don't listen to nothin' but hip-hop & country. From a conversation at the bowling alley the other night: "That rock-n-roll shit just don't get the subs thumpin'."

briania (briania), Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I tuned into the CMA Awards just in time to see the end of the woman who sang before Big & Rich, and then watched their number. The one guy (Big, I guess) looks like a pro wrestler. I thought I saw one of the cheerleaders flash her ass at the camera, too. But musically, they didn't do a whole lot for me. (Gosh, big surprise.) I just checked out their website, heard snips of three songs. If I did buy the record, I'd probably listen to it twice, then never want to hear it again, just like the last couple of Missy Elliott records.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

More from the Toby thread:

the wierdest thing about the Big and Rich thing last nite, was whoever the girl singer that performed before then (didn't see her just caught her right as she got done)....suddenely raised her hands in a jesus pose and exclaimed "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN....COUNTRY MUSIC.....WITHOUT PREJUDICE!!!!" (George Michael reference?? you never know??) and then fell into the crowd like one of those trust building excerises and they caught her and then Big and Rich came out and the one dude was wearing a weird top hat....
I were very confused.

-- M@tt He1geson (mat...), May 27th, 2004.


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I will now be hearing all Dan's posts in the voice of Cowboy Troy (?)
-- Andrew Farrell (afarrel...), May 27th, 2004.


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Wait, was the girl singer Gretchen Wilson (who now has the second most popular album in the United States, half written by half of Big & Rich)? Did she do "Redneck Woman"?? Must've been. Damn, I missed her..
-- chuck (cedd...), May 27th, 2004.

chuck, Thursday, 27 May 2004 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link


very greensleeves

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

This album will be waiting for me when I go back home tonight. Sweet sweet digital theft. (actually buying a copy could be tricky, now that I think about it).

It also contains a track about how the protagonist is always getting his ass kicked.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Listening to the record right now (at CMT.com--whole record streaming). This is good stuff--even the non-crunk tracks. I'm a sucker for big glossy pop country though--the fur coats and Cowboy Troy are just lagniappe.

adam (adam), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Can someone translate all this into English for me please?

Alternatively, just describe in 50 words or less, in clear and simple English, the music of Big and Rich and why it's worth bothering with.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 May 2004 07:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Er, do you mean "British"?? I don't think that's possible....

chuck, Friday, 28 May 2004 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

That cover is fantastic! Okay, made my mind up -- not sure how much record shopping I'll be doing this weekend, but should I see it cheap somewhere, I will buy it. Otherwise, Mr. Farrell is a wise and good man. Matos's comparisons way upthread also intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to his newsletter. (Say, has someone reviewed it for the Seattle Weekly yet? Can I?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I dled "Rollin'" and it is far superior to the Limp Bizkit song of the same name if just as calculated.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Last weeks Voice mentions your Big and Rich article going up on the web today. That going to happen?

danh, Friday, 28 May 2004 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

while we are waiting
for chuck to answer dan h
let me just weigh in:

i just picked this up
it is indeed ass-kicking
country hip-hop funk

i'm not sure where it
will end up in my top ten
(or more like top five)

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 28 May 2004 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

The magnum opus is up!

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0422/eddy1.php

And this is related (and they're inside a picture frame, too!!):

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0422/eddy2.php

chuck, Friday, 28 May 2004 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

you're all kidding right?


this is even worse than kid rock.

reo, Friday, 28 May 2004 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

out of the way dude
you go hang back with the brutes
all alone and sad

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 28 May 2004 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Begs2Differ just made the post of the year.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 May 2004 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I keep finding a new favorite song on this album. Right now, oddly enough, it's Holy Water. Oddly enough, since it's the least disco. But that chorus really shows how great their harmonies are.

frankE (frankE), Friday, 28 May 2004 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

actually ned
I came back to retract that
as unduly harsh

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 29 May 2004 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

A few important things about Big and Rich that I left out of my Voice piece, which kept occurring to me as "Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)" kept blasting out of Pennsylvania country stations this weekend:

1. That they are a total and long-deserved slap in the fact to the sexless white-bread goody-goody PURITANISM of country, as typified not only by alt-style No Depression horseshit but also by such semi-talented superstar bores as George Strait, Randy Travis, Alan Jackson, Clint Black, etc (all of whom have a few great moments, but who cares. Especially now.)

2. That their sudden ubiquitousness on country stations may well represent the most quantum leap taken by ANY musical genre in, I dunno, decades. At least.

3. That the preacher stuff at the beginning and rap in the middle of "Rollin'" always make me think of "Let it Out (Let it All Hang Out)" by the Hombres.

4. That the way they pronounce "sit-TAY" and "prit-TAY" in "Save a Horse" always reminds me of old funk guys, especially Larry Blackmon of Cameo, and I assume this is absolutely intentional.

5. That the way they suddenly exclaim "...and we made LOVE!" in the same song has more sex in it than any country, rock, rap, pop, OR dance song to hit the radio in recent memory. Prove me wrong.

6. That their album could easily wind up being the first album by anybody that I give 30 points to on a Pazz and Jop ballot. Ever.

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

and yet chuck old bean
"kick my ass" is clearly the
best song on the disc

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

oh I take that back
'love train' might be best, 'real world,'
'drinkin' 'bout you,' argh

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

That's the thing - "Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)" is what, only the sixth or seventh best song on the album, maybe? And yet, right now, it blows away everything on every available radio format in the nation. So what does that mean? How many hit singles are possible on this thing? When does it cross over to pop stations, and non-country dance clubs, and Beck fans? Will it sell as many copies as ZZ Top's *Eliminator* (which isn't even as *good*)?? What's that, octuple platinum or something? I mean, holy fuck....

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't have the chance to find this around in Portland this weekend, but rest assured I am keeping it in mind. Perhaps this weekend, if I get up to Amoeba...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

>"Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)" is what, only the sixth or seventh best song on the album, maybe?<

Disclaimer: What I mean by this is that, since I've owned the album, I've ASSUMED that was only the sixth or seventh best song. But maybe I'm wrong: maybe the A&R people at Warners Nashville know something I don't. I would not have picked this track as one of the most obvious early singles, either. But if all the songs that sounded even better to me the first 20 times I heard the album sound even better than this one when they get released as radio singles, watch out...

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

>total and long-deserved slap in the fact<

I mean "slap in the face," duh.

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Big Time reminds me a bit of Jimmy Buffet.

Also holy fuck the end of Real World!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

and actually
I didn't like "Wild West Show"
on the radio,

too "somber"/boring
as a single but on disc
it sounds very nice

good contrast to the
Western Myth song at the end,
but both are like "eh"

my daughter's fave song
is "six foot town", she always
laughs, "he's a giant!"

--and andrew OTM end of 'real world'--

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I actually really appreciate Chuck's point about the mainstream stodge -- as with any 'genre' as defined, there is a LOT of sheer identikit crap out there, and while it's important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to musical criticism, it's that dull sense of 'here ya go and it was just like everything else I've done for a long while, not to mention just like a lot of other stuff my peers have been doing, and it's sweet and dull and not much' which suffocates. I'm surprised at my dad's patience with his fave radio station sometimes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

By the way, K. Sanneh had a good piece on Gretchen Wilson and Big & Rich in Sunday's NY Times, in case anybody missed it. (He seems to love both albums - and Montgomery Gentry's new one, too!)

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

But what about the end of Kick My Ass?!?!!? Where harmony gets all stuttery and goes kinda Fat Albert before Cowboy Troy comes in with some spanish MCing and then ... "Shoot me daddy, I'm Superman! I'm Superman!"

frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah I love how he
offers her margaritas
and also pizza!

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Robert Parissi - most influential guitarist of all time?

dave q, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

*checks* ! The guitarist for Wild Cherry, eh? Now I'm even more intrigued!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"Green, green grass and a rubber Russian bimbo / No one's got a name for the brain in the Scarecrow"

easily best couplet of the year

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

this Parissi dude
isn't on the album though!
what's his influence?

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

>what's his influence?<

first it wasn't easy--
Changin' Rock & Roll and minds

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, this album really is miraculously good. It is easily the most infectious, good time, smiley album I have heard in forever. I suspect my friends are going to get very (very, very, very) tired of me playing this on repeat in my car all summer. But tough shit, this is a summer driving CD.

I play guitar and I play my songs in the swuuuuuuuunnnshiiiiiiiiiiiiine!

Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

both "Rollin' and "Save A Horse" feature a banjo approximation of the James Bond theme. cool.

thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought I heard Secret Agent Man in there somewhere.

danh, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Um, this album reminds me of the Cult's "Electric." But that's cool with me!

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

this album reminds me of the Cult's "Electric"

Haha, I just heard this last night for the first time and when "Wild West Show" came on I was like, "is this the Mission?" Roll on goth-country takeover!

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Then it's even more genius! Haha, Chuck must now champion the Balaam and the Angel revival.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

lol I knew why this thread got revived.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 April 2019 15:52 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

... ok pic.twitter.com/pwJC5Vyqir

— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) December 14, 2020

... (Eazy), Monday, 14 December 2020 14:26 (one year ago) link

ilm hero

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2020 14:57 (one year ago) link

lol so many of the replies are people going "wtf is john rich?"

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 14 December 2020 15:49 (one year ago) link

or how the fuck is John Rich rich?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 December 2020 16:16 (one year ago) link

Ha, the guy he did the bet with, Adam Gold, is a former editor of mine at the Nashville Scene. He's been loving this hilarity of course.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 December 2020 16:19 (one year ago) link

wonder if he laid a bet on the 2004 pazz & jop results

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 14 December 2020 16:22 (one year ago) link

If anyone's curious at this point, which I doubt, the first album was almost as good to listen to as it was to write about, which is saying a lot; the second one not as much, as tends to happen with second albums (Don: "You have your whole life to write your first album, six months for the second one." Well yeah.) But it did slink into my Nashville Scen Top Ten. The third was ridiculously bad.
Other endeavors soon became relevant to Duos with one member you love and one member you loathe
Big K did some good mixes of his and OPP singles, also I liked this first solo joint (haven't heard others)---excerpted from Voice review of it and B&R associate Lil Jon Nicholson's:
Live a Little, Big Kenny's pre-Big & Rich solo album, finally given a proper release on The Disney Music Group's Hollywood Records, brings the
noise candy, not the nose candy. It's a slowly spinning saucer, serving up a skyful of Purple Planetberries,
bursting on cue, presented 2 U by B.K., a psych-pop-goes-thee-country impresario and aw-shucks-ma'am workaday wizard, bopping through amber waves with his drum machine. Kenny's as much wistful crooner as carny barker when singing through a megaphone-like vocoder
about "a place where dreams come true." He gets his comeuppance in "Cheater's
Lament." Even more so, in "Think Too Much," with virtual drumsticks bouncing off
the cello-and-viola cloud growing around his (Traveling Wilburys-flavored) Orbisonic orbit.
Yet also with a ready tip of his feathered top hat to "Dor-oh-thee, and
Lit-tle To-To," flying by in "Rather Be."

dow, Monday, 14 December 2020 17:23 (one year ago) link

the first album was almost as good to listen to as it was to write about

oh i agree

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2020 17:32 (one year ago) link

For the rest of my life I will remain completely baffled by how this awful album became such an ilm touchstone.

I'm assuming even calling it "awful" out loud will get me FPed so I'll add, "so long folks".

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 December 2020 17:36 (one year ago) link

No, you're fine. There's room in the manger for all walks of life. As The Big 'un always says, "It Ken be done."

dow, Monday, 14 December 2020 17:43 (one year ago) link

I bought the album four years after this thread sprung to life and liked it quite a lot, but then again, this place is not the friendliest toward country, a genre which mixes schmaltz, arena moves, bad jokes, and pathos in ways that confuse people (and sometimes me).

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 December 2020 17:46 (one year ago) link

I mean, I love it when ilm coalesces around an unexpected album and pushes me to check it out, but no matter how many times I tried with this, I didn't get it at all. Still don't.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 December 2020 17:52 (one year ago) link

I'm going to guess--maybe I'm wrong--the coalescing had something to do with Chuck's over-the-top swoon at a moment when he was editing the Voice.

I have watched the video in wide-eyed, catatonic horror.

clemenza, Monday, 14 December 2020 17:56 (one year ago) link

This happens. I never got Moby's beloved Play, much of Radiohead, much of Kacey Chambers, incl. 0 of her beloved Golden Hour ilm is the manger tho.

dow, Monday, 14 December 2020 18:01 (one year ago) link

Musgraves! Sorry Kacey Chambers, although I gave up on you too, to put it nicely.

dow, Monday, 14 December 2020 18:08 (one year ago) link

, this place is not the friendliest toward country, a genre which mixes schmaltz, arena moves, bad jokes, and pathos in ways that confuse people (and sometimes me).

― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, December 14, 2020 11:46 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i honestly don't think i am confused at all by big & rich or country music

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:11 (one year ago) link

the whole big & rich thing on ilm basically always felt like like someone handed me a cold big mac and i tried to eat it and spit it out and then i'm told i need to go to culinary school to really appreciate it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:14 (one year ago) link

i checked out your life as a record by brandy clark this year because of ilm and that was a real treat, just great songwriting

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:16 (one year ago) link

For me, a good example of the complete opposite of this was Last Train to Paris. It took a lot of convincing to get me to care at all about what Diddy was doing in 2010, but the ilm hivemind managed it and I absolutely fell in love with that record.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:21 (one year ago) link

sounds like a good poll!

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:35 (one year ago) link

this place is not the friendliest toward country, a genre which mixes schmaltz, arena moves, bad jokes, and pathos in ways that confuse people (and sometimes me).

there was definitely an element to the ilm big & rich thing of some people giving themselves a permission structure to continue writing off all other country music

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:37 (one year ago) link

xpost - I'd be really curious to see what the list of "ilm event albums" looks like. These two, that Electrik Red record maybe?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:37 (one year ago) link

for sure

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:40 (one year ago) link

permission structure to continue writing off all other country music

― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, December 14, 2020 12:37 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i see zero evidence of this

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:41 (one year ago) link

Peak into any year-end thread when an Eric Church single appears.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 December 2020 18:45 (one year ago) link

I don't really follow those too much

I guess why would anyone need permission not to like country music much less pretend to hate Big & Rich when secretly in your dark little heart you love it so much and listen to Save a Horse every day crouched in the closet in secret shame?

no one has to like anything

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:02 (one year ago) link

i was unclear, i didnt mean ppl were being disingenuous about hating big & rich, what i meant was a certain amount of the big & rich praise on ilm had a framing of "we all know country music sucks but FINALLY this is GOOD" that struck me as self soothing a little bit, giving themselves permission to continue writing off country as music for dumb racists because they like the album where the guys rap about not being racist.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:19 (one year ago) link

yet they turned out to be racists

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:19 (one year ago) link

ahhh sorry OEO totally misread

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:26 (one year ago) link

"FINALLY these are GOOD racists!"

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 14 December 2020 19:38 (one year ago) link

this place is not the friendliest toward country, a genre which mixes schmaltz, arena moves, bad jokes, and pathos in ways that confuse people (and sometimes me).

I love country music from some mega-schmaltzy eras (e.g. 1987-1997) but have completely loathed Big & Rich from day one. It's just terrible stuff and I don't get it at all.

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:42 (one year ago) link

I also hated Lonestar so I guess I do hate these guys specifically

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:43 (one year ago) link

KiNG would have to be on that ilm hive list. And chuffing Balloon.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:46 (one year ago) link

avalanches are the classic ilm act for me. never seen them in anyone's record collection irl or heard anyone talking about them

Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:47 (one year ago) link

Oh yeah, I used to put some of their early stuff on mix tapes way before seeing anything about them on ilm. I guess they weren't all that well-known in the US, but I got compliments for the tapes.

dow, Monday, 14 December 2020 20:00 (one year ago) link

I was actually into Since I Left You before I came around to ilx, can't remember where I heard about it, probably some magazine review.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 December 2020 20:03 (one year ago) link

I think Sim0n Reyn0lds reviewed it pretty ecstatically in Uncut? I could be remembering that wrong.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 December 2020 20:05 (one year ago) link

Yeah think I first heard them on magazine bonus comps.

dow, Monday, 14 December 2020 20:14 (one year ago) link

Ah, that Reyn0lds review was in Spin. That is definitely where I would have seen it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 December 2020 20:16 (one year ago) link

I have "Save A Horse" on my Elliptical Jams playlist, mostly unplayed since March.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 04:27 (one year ago) link

the first B&R record still rules--but there was a lot of great Country music in that era

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 16:06 (one year ago) link

Yeah, and that was when I started paying attention to it, beyond Willie---pop arena mainstream country was big fun, and I thought so much of it was going to keep being like that---spoiled me, waaaah

dow, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 17:23 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

he paid out, it went to a military charity: https://tasteofcountry.com/john-rich-joe-biden-donald-trump-election-bet/

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 November 2021 03:59 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

I met with @GovBillLee and @SchwinnTeach today at the Capital building. They told me new legislation will be put on the docket in this session to deal with "literature" that our kids are being exposed to containing obscene and pornographic content. They listened. We'll see.

— John Rich (@johnrich) January 11, 2022

sounds like a cool jerk sesh bro

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:54 (one week ago) link

The press release calls Cowboy Troy "the world's only six foot five inch, 250 pound black cowboy rapper, who throws down in three languages and has a degree in economics to boot."

Seems like he should be Big In Europe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tofbP46Ohd4

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:03 (one week ago) link

He's 6 foot 5. Probably big everywhere.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:06 (one week ago) link

That first one’s kind of rapey. Guess who’s lyrics… pic.twitter.com/Gj7CklQ2E6

— Rep. Gloria Johnson (@VoteGloriaJ) January 12, 2022

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:09 (one week ago) link

lol. She's my state rep, one of our few local Dems. She just got redistricted out of her own district.


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