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Has anyone heard them? Are there additional tracks? Also, any word on release date on Kraftwerk reissues?

― mohair (jon kapper), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No extra tracks. I ain't heard 'em, but that much I do know.

― M Specktor, Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

are they out? when are they coming out? this is a rare case where I think the CDs actually already sound pretty good, but the artwork could use some spicing up. I have the box sets and the albums and honestly can't tell much of a difference b/w them soundwise, despite the boxes being fancy gold 24bit mastering jobs.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

they sound great on my solid gold stereo.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Brian Eno - Here Come The Warm Jets (Virgin) (R) [Remastered]
Brian Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy) (Virgin) (R) [Remastered]
Brian Eno - Another Green World (Virgin) (R) [Remastered]
Brian Eno - Before & After Science (Virgin) (R) [Remastered]

31st May in the UK [delayed from 17th May]

see amazon.co.uk or hmv.co.uk etc to order

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

hmmm, are these UK only? Are U.S. reissues to follow?

The only problem I had with one of the albums was that, on Here Come The Warm Jets, "Blank Frank" seemed like the reel-to-reel tapes were getting stuck at a couple of points during the mastering... I kinda liked the weird warps in that track because of it, actually.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

aarrrgh i just bought the now-obsolete version of "another green world." i am a dupe.

in other news time to unload my kraftwerk bootlegs on the interweb.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

so, this early Kraftwerk reissues thing is happening? really.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Kraftwerk thing is still happening, supposedly. The Eno re-releases are being done with the same technology - and by the same guy - as with the two Eno boxed sets, so expect the albums all to sound a bit sharper (though the guy and Eno himself said they'll be maintaining the seat-of-the-pants lo-fi/hi-fi vibe of the original tapes).

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've never heard "Taking Tiger Mountain" on disc -- how do they deal with the locked groove?

― briania (briania), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

they must cut it off ala sgt pepper, because I didn't know there was one! that sucks.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

hmmm, are these UK only? Are U.S. reissues to follow?

US releases due this Tuesday

― Stacey Pollen (Andy K), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

US releases not on Virgin, but Astralwerks [part of EMI]

Astralwerks - new releases
http://www.astralwerks.com/newrelease.html

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

is there no way to imitate a lock groove on a cd?

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That's great, I absolutely love these 4 albums. Anybody knows if they'll do more from Eno?

― Mikhail Capone (Mikhail Capone), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm really glad now that I haven't bought Taking Tiger Mountain on CD. (I've seen it at pretty low prices, too.) That's probably the only one I want of the bunch, not that I don't like some of the songs on the other albums, but that's the only one that feels essential to me.

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"is there no way to imitate a lock groove on a cd?"
Is it supposed to be on the closing title track? They could just let it run the remainder of the CD or 20 minutes or so a la the LIARS debut.

I have the old editions of the first two, good thing I haven't run out and bought the others yet.....any word on later stuff like bush of ghosts, etc?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(And I'll stick with my Kraftwerk bootlegs, I think. I only like the chirpy hippie flute grooves on them anyway, and even those are ruined by their endings or at least one of them is.)

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i think i'll replace "ralf and florian," although... what if the remasters don't have the full sleeve art (which is awesome)? the bootleg, rather improbably, has the full art from the gatefold and the inserts.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'd really be surprised if these remasters sound much different than the older cds. The box sets were touted as significant improvements over the "regular" cds and I'll be damned if I or anyone else I've met can tell a difference. (Unless of course they've decided to compress and maximize these recordings this time around. And who needs that?)

I get so tired of the "New! Improved! Remastered! Again!" con game.

― kjoerup, Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

excepts sometimes they really do sound a LOT better...as in the rolling stones/bob dylan things.

but often yeah.... it's less to do with the quality of the new masters as the quality of the old ones. often it was just fine and there isn't a burning need for an upgrade.

like those richard/linda thompson things. $20 each for remasters with a few boring live bonus tracks? the hannibal cds sound fine, thank you.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

just received this in a AB-CD.com mail out, may be of use for Americans:

ENO, BRIAN - REISSUES !
First four solo albums reissued in digipack. Transferred from
original masters by Simon Heyworth from the original analogue masters.

- Another Green World (rmst) $14.47
http://www.ab-cd.com/cgi-bin/cat1/ASK77291.2

- Before & After Science (rmst) $14.47
http://www.ab-cd.com/cgi-bin/cat1/ASK77292.2

- Here Come The Warm Jets (rmst) $14.47
http://www.ab-cd.com/cgi-bin/cat1/ASK77293.2

- Taking Tiger Mountain By Stragedy (rmst) $14.47
http://www.ab-cd.com/cgi-bin/cat1/ASK77288.2

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Found this:

http://www.townsend-records.co.uk/brianeno.htm

― Mikhail Capone (Mikhail Capone), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

damnit, i hate digipaks.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They come in slim digipaks that are housed in clear plastic wraparound sleeves. The left side panels on the front of the digipaks that say "ORIGINAL MASTERS" are annoying. I've yet to take a listen to them.

― Stacey Pollen (Andy K), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

CONSUMER ALERT!!

Apparently the reissue of Another Green World is messed up. The "Rosalie" line is mysteriously edited out of "Everything Merges With The Night" acc. to some who bought the reissue. I'm not sure this is the case with ALL of them... and I sadly missed this the first time around to listening to the reissues.. and I don't have time to check for myself.

So, um, those of you who HAVE the reissue of AGW, check it and note it, if that's the case. Surely, they are working on rectifying this, one would hope.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 14:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

rosalie, i've been waiting all evening
possibly inside your nose

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Which one of these should I get if I don't own anything by Eno? I was thinking Another Green World, but now I don't know.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

before and after science; good mix of the ambient and the poppy

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well, all four really. Might as well start with Here Come the Warm Jets and work your way along.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've never heard any of these albums either. I'm waiting for Astralwerks to send me copies, though.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Guess I'll take the chronological approach then.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

But MR Eno if you are reading I like to think to yr thinking music plz send me copiez thxz bye

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

rosalie, i've been waiting all evening
possibly inside your nose

Yeah. Like, that's what he's really singing...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

possibly the remastering made this couplet too obvious so it was excised from the reissue.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 19:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

True. As I recall, that was the first song to really knock my socks off on that album. It's so...relaxing.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 19:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'll say start with Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy for no other reason than that's the one I like best.

― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 19:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Does anyone agree it is the most full of musical surprises? (Probably not.)

― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 19:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's probably my favorite too. HCTWJ has the best standout songs, I think, but TTMBS is the best as a whole album.

― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 19:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

much as "math" tries to convince us is FALSE,

1>2>3>4

― peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 19:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

before and after science has "julie with" and "by this river" though, which are better than any other songs on any other eno albums!

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 20:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like the "pretty" half of BAAS, but the "rock" half really grates.

― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 20:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

BAAS has "becalmed", one of my favorite eno instrumentals.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 20:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So BAAS wins despite having some admittedly dumb songs (king's lead hat, in particular)

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i saw these at tower today. they look nice, but are pricey.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but taking tiger mountain has "the true wheel" (my favorite eno vocal)

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it also has "put a straw under baby" which is dumb. really only warm jets and green world get by without songs I have to skip (and, I don't like I'll come running all that much either).

If I say I like Nerve Net will everyone hate me?

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If they fucked '..merges with the night' that would be a shame 'cause its the best song on that record (yeah i know always a hard choice).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If you already have the Eno CDs, but want the reissues, I'd actually pick these up in reverse chronological order (excepting the possibly fucked up Another Green World), as the remasters make the most difference on the later albums. Before And After Science sounds quite improved with the reissue, whereas Here Come The Warm Jets sounds slightly better.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

have a look here for more info and plenty of overwrought Paul Morley commentary:

http://www.astralwerks.com/eno/reissue.html

― rh, Thursday, 3 June 2004 01:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Skipping 5 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

"All of them are old, none of them are new
Some of them will turn up when you least expect them to"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've never listened much to Eno, but really like Here come the warm jets as a single (only heard it on some DJ mix thing). Am I going to be disappointed if I buy this remastered album then?

― chris (chris), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have the previous CD issues, and sonically they don't seem too bad to me. How much better are the new versions? Have they been sonic-maximised?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Morley marvellously on these: http://www.astralwerks.com/eno/albums.html

Sorry if you've already seen this.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

a master at work and at play.

petridish reviewing the four eno reissues:
"Throughout pop history bands and artists have insisted on making arty records with no tunes, as opposed to what people want to hear... (introduction drones on for another 500 words, namechecking Kid A, Faust Tapes and Metal Machine Music) ...and there are pop stars who can't play any instruments (crawls on for another 500 words, namechecking Sid Vicious, Bez and Lena Zavaroni before saying that Eno's solo albums aren't worth bothering with because all classical music sounds the same)"

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Surely you jest or surely he jests?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...finishing by saying that Bryan Ferry will always be better than Eno because Eno could never write a decent tune like Let's Stick Together or marry Jerry Hall.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Eno had Julie Christie who would want a horse-faced Texan after that?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

whereupon petridish would say that julie christie only ever turns up in arty-farty films rather than films people actually want to watch, e.g. martine mccutcheon.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ha ha. Bloody "Billy Liar", elitist rubbish!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Quite, Dadaismus. ;)

Unbelievable comments from this Petridis... it's not music writing, I'm afraid, of any kind I would acknowledge.

One would have thought that these Eno albums would have been good enough on t' tune front - it's great, displaced pop music - for such Luddites, yet clearly he's not listened to them at all. Or is playing up to some sort of image; sounds a rehash of his PJ Harvey 'thoughts'.

― Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sorry tom, it was just me guessing at what petridish would write.

in reality he'd probably give the grauniad review to someone like adam sweeting to write 100 words of nothing about.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oooooooooh you little liar!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

One does sense that he might file these records away as 'difficult' though... Anyone attacking Faust, Captain Beefheart, Sun Ra et al clearly wants his sounds straightforward, which all these Enos certainly aren't. He's hardly going to take to the use of the Portsmouth Sinfonia, eh...?
What sort of music does this writer actually like...? Sounds Hornbyite. I admit I have not read a great number of his reviews, but then I've never really taken the Guardian as too good on music. I suppose they have had Morley writing on occasion, and a few of those pieces were as amusing as he is wont to be.

Sounds a real waste if they've messed up the remaster of AGW, as it's just about my favourite 'pop-period Eno', mood-wise at least.

― Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 3 June 2004 17:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Amen.

― Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 05:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sounds a real waste if they've messed up the remaster of AGW

― Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 06:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

Shit, I just bought "More Music From Films" the other day--should I open it?

― John 2, Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

if you wish to play it in your CD player, then yes.

― latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Bits sound as if they are excerpts from the 2-track group jams that Eno put together for 'Another Green World'; but these are the sections he never finished or overdubbed further -- so it's a CD of the tape fading up for 45-60 seconds worth, then down again. Definitely does not flow like an album.

Some 'ANG' tracks appear in slightly different versions. Some of the tracks are barely distinguishable 'alternate' mixes of pieces from 'Music For Films' volume I, the last few tracks are rough versions of the drones from 'Apollo'. Incredibly annoying liner notes, 43 minutes long.

― milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ah, sorry. I was refering to the batch that we messed up--similar to 'green world'---as heard here in the top review:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007GFFVG/qid=1112633362/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-0855610-6327942?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

― John 2, Monday, 4 April 2005 15:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

How significant is the increase in sound quality on these reissues? Now that these new versions are out, loads of the original issues are being traded in and can be found cheap and readily.

$15 new version or $10 used old version?

Or are there some albums that are worth getting the reissues of, and some that are not? Hopefully someone with a keen ear can lend some advice.

― JBC (flamingrev), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Some stores have been selling the reissues new for $10.. so I've just been diving in on those deals, and selling the old ones back (although at this point, there's no more old Eno CDs for me to sell back.. although I have to check to see if my AGW CD has that fuckup on "Everything Merges With The Night")

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

As far as sound quality goes, I think the new ones certainly sound better.. the greatest sound quality improvement has been on Before And After Science, if I had to choose one. But I think Music For Films sounds significantly better too..

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Also, on Here Come The Warm Jets, the original CD issue had some fuckups on "Blank Frank". It sounds like the master tapes were catching on something earlier in the song for brief moments, which added a neat effect, but was distracting. I believe they are gone now on the reissues.

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, you're telling me that "Blank Frank" momentary slow-down thing isn't intentional? The music stays in time and on beat! That's my favorite part of the song! It sounds like it's playing on a record and someone spun it back a measure. Say it ain't so!

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'd have to listen again.. there are two specific moments.. there's one at the beginning, and one later that happens on the sound of a tom drum. The latter is the one that sounds coolest.

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

he's not talking about the part of the song where everything slows down (xpost)

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think Eno would appreciate this debate.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It doesn't really slow down, I didn't really explain it right. I'm talking about the part at beginning of the song, in the first line "Blank Frank is the messenger of your doom and your destruction." While the word "destruction" is being stretched out, there's a part where it "hiccups" (for lack of a better word) but stays on beat, like a record or reel-to-reel tape being spun back really fast, and it's awesome. So that was an accident?

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think that was an accident. I'd have to relisten on the remasters. If it's not on the remasters, it was a mistake.

It happens again, later on but on the sound of the tom drum.

So, yeah, Nick and I are talking about the same thing. It's not a full tempo slowdown, it's a hiccup, not unlike accidentally pressing down on a spinning record for a split second, or -- more likely in this case -- a reel-to-reel tape where some splicing tape got caught on something while whirling around.

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Which makes it a pretty cool accident, because it seems like a very "Eno" thing to do, like something he'd do on purpose. Has anyone else seen that footage of Roxy Music doing "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" on German TV and during the big solo at the end, Eno's messing with like four big reel-to-reel tape machines set up on stage behind him? It's the coolest.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

where would i see that??

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that DVD of the German TV appearances is awesome! It actually made me appreciate the Bryan Ferry a lot more. I can't believe that the vocal effect on Blank Frank was an accident though. If so, I'm definitely keeping my old CD because that's one of the best parts.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Here it is:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006AUID/103-9666175-1566228?v=glance

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've got that DVD, am., I can show it to you the next time you're over.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the link to the DVD, I just bought one

― milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh I should have said that the one Sarah got me has a different cover and was like super-el-cheapo. But maybe it's not the full version or something. There are about 5 T-Rex songs and 5 RM songs.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

this reminds me of when i downloaded a luomo mp3 that had an error in it, it sort of jump-cutted to a different part of the song. i always thought it was the neatest effect, almost "cinematic" (bleah), but then i found out 2 years later it was an encoding error or something!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

These jewel case Eno CDs I imagine are the same remasters? Anyone found them or or the digipaks going cheap anywhere>

― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yup, the jewel case CD's are the same. I managed to grab a couple of them for £7 in Fopp recently. Amazon had the whole bunch for around the same price the last time I checked.

― AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

Go for the jexel cases if you can, the plastic sleeve surround on the digipaks is so tight it's practically impossible to extract thge digipaks without fucking them up slightly.

― double shyamalan (MaresNest), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 13:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, thata a fair point. Those plastic sleeve's are murder!

― AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

2017 half-speed LPs? Are they a bunch of hooey or what?

― bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 13:27 (three months ago) Permalink

have not heard them, but...

CONSUMER ALERT!!

Apparently the reissue of Another Green World is messed up. The "Rosalie" line is mysteriously edited out of "Everything Merges With The Night" acc. to some who bought the reissue. I'm not sure this is the case with ALL of them... and I sadly missed this the first time around to listening to the reissues.. and I don't have time to check for myself.

So, um, those of you who HAVE the reissue of AGW, check it and note it, if that's the case. Surely, they are working on rectifying this, one would hope.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, June 2, 2004 7:55 AM (fourteen years ago)

what the fuck, now I gotta check for this stupid mistake

― sleeve, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 14:01 (three months ago) Permalink

They fixed the AGW mistake after the first pressing of the remaster.

I haven't heard the half-speed reissues, but reports vary pretty widely on the Hoffman forums: a lot of people like them, but some have noted dropouts and other defects that didn't used to be there, while faulty copies aren't uncommon (as with seemingly most vinyl releases in recent years).

― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 14:22 (three months ago) Permalink

Has this half speed stuff not been debunked?

― Duke, Thursday, 14 June 2018 20:59 (three months ago) Permalink

this is one of my favorite steve hoffman forum posts ever: "Half-speed mastering is a two-edged sword. One one edge, for a response of 20-20,000, the cutterhead only has to go up to 10,000, so if there are any nonlinearities in the upper range, they will be greatly reduced. Plus, if you were going to, say, 30,000 Hz (and you can, with both analog masters and vinyl) you'll have that much more "breathing room" up there.

On the other edge of the sword, and this is a pretty sharp edge, you have to apply only half the RIAA curve when cutting the lacquer, and that's not always easy to do. Plus, now your response for 20-20K has to go down to 10 Hz. And to make things even more fun, the response of playback heads is slightly different at 15 IPS than at 30 IPS. That's why, generally, you'll find 15 IPS machines set to NAB, and 30 IPS machines running IEC.

Half-speed, when done well, is very good. It's just not easy, and my kudos to those that can pull it off."

what????

― akm, Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:31 (three months ago) Permalink

wow, good find, that's fascinating to me (I also had no idea what NAB/IEC meant, looked it up and they are EQ standards)

I already have these albums on OG vinyl and the remastered CDs, so I have no stake in this but I'd be wary if I was in the market

― sleeve, Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:36 (three months ago) Permalink

wary of the half speed versions, I mean

― sleeve, Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:37 (three months ago) Permalink

Has this half speed stuff not been debunked?

― Duke, Thursday, June 14, 2018 1:59 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

GO FOR IT

― brimstead, Thursday, 14 June 2018 22:01 (three months ago) Permalink

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