PJ Harvey : Classic or Dud

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Lots to discuss here.

What do you reckon to "Stories from the City..." Return of Sheela-na-gig or a coffee-table Patti Smith?

Is "Rid of Me" her career high, or an overrated Albini dirge?

I can't decide!

Dr. C, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Don't know if there's a lot to discuss, you already presented exactly my feelings on La PJ's oeuvre. "Rid of Me" very good. That last one: coffee table Patti Smith. Oh yeah and some mildy interesting electronic stuff in between ;)

Omar, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Not really, Omar, I really can't decide whether PJ is still any good or not. That's why I'm interested to get some other views. On first hearing, 'Stories' was a huge let down for the first 6 or 7 tracks and then.... "You said Something" and "Kamikaze" reminded me how good she can be. The Thom Yorke track is crap. I found the 'mildly interesting electronic stuff' (Is this Desire?) actually VERY interesting if a little unfinished, and I was hoping that PJ would go further in that direction. Not so.

As for the other albums, I prefer "To Bring You My Love" to "Dry", "Dry" to "Rid of Me".

Dr. C, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I have vaguely undifferentiated love for her work, and I mean that in a good way. ;-) While I've listened to the earliest albums the most by virtue of the fact that, well, they've been around longer, I have yet to be disappointed by what she's doing (and she puts one good live show, methinks). _Stories_ was a wonderful surprise in that it reminded me exactly how great she can get.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

PJ Harvey is great. I don't really have anything more incisive to say about her. If this was Search/Destroy, I'd say Search: "Rid of Me" the album, "Four Track Demos", her live shows, 'Dress', 'Big Exit', 'Easy' etc. Destroy: Tiresome talk about her nervous breakdowns, much of "Dry", that's about it.

pihkalboy, Tuesday, 20 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

You can't decide? I can. Dud.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dud, definitely. The melodies just don't "click" for me, and her voice is an acquired taste, I guess.

Jack Redelfs, Tuesday, 20 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I found "Rid Of Me" in a remainder bin once, for cheap, by Mr. Mod insisted that I not waste my money on it. In retrospect, I should have picked it up. Early stuff: classic. Later stuff: "Stories..." is good, but not mindblowing. While she's talented enough, her status as golden girl comes mainly from music critics attempting desperately to seem like they like female artists as much as guy artists. Also note that Mrs. Harvey's music has been known to exert the dread "Tori Amos- effect" over certain fans. Which both counts against the music and cements "classic" status.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 21 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I was this close to getting "Stories...", it was a bit of a slow period and I read some good things on the album, but somewhere in the shop I suddenly couldn't be arsed. Same thing happened with the Wookie album. It all seemed so neat and boring, the Prada shades, the black dress, a New York album, Thom Yorke song, return-to-geetarrr- form, the inevitable praise it was going to get from old fart NY critics. Why settle for ersatz Patti Smith when you accidently find a Dopplereffekt cd? Or am I really missing something important?

Omar, Wednesday, 21 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

New album is definately Patti Smith by numbers, a little strange move I think. Why? Postmodern pastiche? Eh? She is capable of so much more that covering this ground (again). Overproduced, and a slightly boring kind of sound. She's obviously classic though, the songs still hold up (even if I don't like them).

But I do like the new single 'Place Called Home'. A blantantly pop single, but you gotta love it.

Michael, Wednesday, 21 February 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I though she was great, Is this Desire as good, if not better than anything the ever did. The first album remains the best on mind. New album, like the sky collapsing, first track sounds like U2, utterly ghastly ordinaryness. Even the fast tracks just seem to going through the motions.

Stephen Robinson, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
My friend Christelle is a devout Harvey worshipper, I must admit that the heavy metal side of my likes the Rid of Me record (a brilliantly produced record), but the rest of her output doesn't stand out to me.

However, I saw her perform You Said Something on David Letterman show, and I have to say that that particular performance was one of the best television experiences I've had in my life. If you have a Harvey fan for a friend, ask them if they taped it and go see it with them. Truly trancendent.

Love, Jeff

Jeff Guidry, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
come on now -- don't we have anything more to say?

josie, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, I do: she's WAY more interesting than Patti Smith.

Justyn Dillingham, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I loved "A Perfect Day, Elise" - the mysterious third-person narratives, the mildly industrial backing, the overall distanced effect that she goes for on that album and perfects on that particular track. Is This Desire? as a whole reeks of the Bronte sisters, and is all the better for it.

Tim, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
Maybe time to revive this thread, though certainly there was enough over here:

"Uh Huh Her." Thoughts on the new PJ Harvey?

...to keep us going for a while.

However, talking about her as a whole -- I'm going through a relisten of everything building up to the show on Tuesday (might even dig up all the B-sides if I can manage it), and that meant Dry earlier (good songs, couple of great performances, strong without being compelling) and Rid of Me now (holy fuck what a great album -- what a *GREAT* album).

It seems to me that she's very easily slipped over the line that separates initially promising start to ever more unique figure to finally someone with an actual continuing career well over a decade while still remaining interesting, to me at least. And all on the same label still, eight albums on (allowing for the fact that Dry got picked up by Island here and counting the Parish collaboration). Not bad, more thoughts later...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 October 2004 03:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

But is it art?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 October 2004 04:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ned: Dapper, but you know it.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 25 October 2004 05:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

PJ and the band are on fire at the moment, one of the best live acts I've ever seen. Effortlessly upstaged a classic 'T in the Park' line-up this year, The Pixies not excluded.

S

Soukesian, Monday, 25 October 2004 06:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I played part of "Kamikaze" when I DJed on friday night. It was awesome. Drunk indie girl hugged me!

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, so today so far 4-Track Demos (yes, yes, a contrast to Albini and all but it actually works very well in its own right and I really like the songs that didn't make the final album cut) and right now To Bring You My Love (exactly why did I forget that "Long Snake Moan" was so spectacular again?).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 October 2004 15:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

live she is even better than on record. saw her once in munich where i went to see giant sand. giant sand were good but she totally blew them away with a performance of an intensity i have rarely seen before. she rocks hard, she has the blues and she has the voice of a lioness. breathtaking.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 25 October 2004 17:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

damn, this is making me really regret not seeing her at 9:30 club the other day for 20 bucks. I won't even mention what I went to see instead...

"Sheela-na-gig" has been on repeat for several days now in Winamp.

Richard K (Richard K), Monday, 25 October 2004 18:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

alright i'm gonna 'out' myself as a fan (i said fan not stalker)

been with her stuff since 'sheela'

live performances in the past have been disappointing against the records *but* a recent live encounter proved her at the at the absolute apex top of her game. great tunes/performance/band the whole thing.

catch while you can...

john clarkson, Monday, 25 October 2004 18:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

But PJ Harvey is a rockist!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 25 October 2004 21:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

So?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 October 2004 21:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Long Snake Moan" is my favourite song on To Bring You My Love, Ned. The opening is stunning.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 25 October 2004 23:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That's for damn sure. And I even had the volume down and it stopped me in my tracks!

Dance Hall is indeed a very good album as you said over on the monster thread, but I think it's very subtle and requires a lot of relistening -- it's about the only album that the cover of "Is That All There Is?" aside I can't immediately recall a full song from it, even though I've heard it a lot. Hrm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 October 2004 23:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ok what heckle should I throw at her, tonight?

(if I were the "heckling type", which is not necessarily the case)

Thea (Thea), Monday, 25 October 2004 23:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Totally agree she is better live. For me records = hmmm, not bad. Live = Christ, I'm glad I went to this show!

Piers (piers), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 00:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ok what heckle should I throw at her, tonight?

Hey, you better not. ;-)

Seeing her tonight, rah! Hm. Wonder if she'll mention Peel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ned, if you get up to the front, please demand that she play "Heart-Shaped Box."

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well I see how I could...huh? ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Or "Trigger Cut," whichever. Kthxbye :)

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sike, Ned. I don't know where those posts came from.

I say classic, if only for Rid Of Me (which I only own on tape and never can listen to for this reason, really really REALLY need to get it on CD), To Bring You My Love, and Uh Huh Her. Everything else is pretty good (Dry) to crap (Dance Hall).

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Is This Desire? is so damned murky. This isn't a criticism, it's more a wonderful weird surprise. What a strange, distanced album. I think it has something to do with Flood. Its peers would be Depeche's Ultra and Tricky's Pre-Millenial Tension.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Stories, meanwhile, is the trebly response, the weird nervous live wire most though not all of the time. Jittery, that's this album, like everything's a little too wound up and on the verge of shaking itself apart. It's really very good, and isn't as slick as some would say it is.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ned - were you there, last night? I loved her and the show right down to her little striped socks and yes, it reminded me of how many strong songs she's given us over the years.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

No, not last night, am going tonight. To assuage Momus, I presume it will be nothing but Bjork covers done WITH Bjork.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 18:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Drat. Well I stood with John Lewis-formerly-of-KUCI, what do you think of that.

I wonder if she'll play the same set. If I weren't packing boxes I'd go again.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 19:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Drat. Well I stood with John Lewis-formerly-of-KUCI, what do you think of that.

I'd imagine he was himself.

(Are you going to be at EJL's party on Saturday? If not, I will pout.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 19:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Moving, but will try to stop by. Nice that you'll be there.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 19:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Great, great show. End of the main set -- a Fall cover in homage to Peel, "The Whores Hustle and the Hustlers Whore" and a version of "Meet Ze Monsta" that was astonishing. End of the first encore -- "Is This Desire?," an impossibly fragile version.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i saw her in santa cruz at the catalyst a few months ago and it was easily one of the best shows I've ever seen.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
Loving the Peel Sessions disc right about now.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 04:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

Must be due some new material from PJ soon?

Soukesian, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 07:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

That Peel Sessions disc is kinda incomplete, though, if I'm not mistaken. Didn't she once do "Long Time Comin'" for Peel? One of my favorite Polly performances ever, that.

JN$OT, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 07:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

ha, i just dug some pj out for the first time in months at the weekend! dry - still awesome, the sheer energy of it is amazing. the bass on 'dress' is so deep.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 08:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

claseeck! surely.
Rid of Me + the 8 Track Demos are the peak!

edde, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 13:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

After years of avoiding her music I finally listened to Rid of Me today and I'm terribly sorry but it was one of the most tedious listening experiences I've had in a while, it took me 3 listens to get through the thing and I'm usually very patient with music. No idea if she's kind of a 'you had to be there' artist but I'd burn this idol down.

Moka, Friday, 9 December 2016 00:07 (eleven months ago) Permalink

And yeah I also don't like Patti Smith.

Moka, Friday, 9 December 2016 00:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

4-Track Demos version is better.

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Friday, 9 December 2016 00:16 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Maybe I started with the wrong album? I don't know.

Moka, Friday, 9 December 2016 00:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

A nice thing about PJ Harvey is that if Rid of Me isn't to your liking, she has several albums that sound nothing like it.

a full playlist of presidential apocalypse jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 December 2016 00:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Don't really want to keep searching... there's several albums and I found almost no redeeming qualities on Rid of Me to keep listening... which ones would you recommend?

Moka, Friday, 9 December 2016 00:19 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I'm actually rather pissed re:PJ ATM, because dates for her '17 U.S. tour just came out, and she's playing Houston for the first time on her own in about 20+ years (she opened for U2 15 or so ago), and tickets are about to go on sale, and I'm already broke AF.

a full playlist of presidential apocalypse jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 December 2016 00:25 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Moka - "Is This Desire" probably captures Pj at her most diverse stylistically.

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Friday, 9 December 2016 00:26 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Is This Desire is a good pick--really that whole PJ era--To Bring You My Love through Stories From The City...--is good place for those turned off by the shrieky early stuff (which she never really returned to, outside of parts of Uh Huh Her). Of course, there is also Let England Shake.

a full playlist of presidential apocalypse jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 December 2016 00:38 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Ok thanks! I will try to give those a listen but maybe other time... enough PJ for a day for me haha.

Moka, Friday, 9 December 2016 00:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Once again, US dates, no Chicago ...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 December 2016 01:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

After years of avoiding her music I finally listened to Rid of Me today and I'm terribly sorry but it was one of the most tedious listening experiences I've had in a while, it took me 3 listens to get through the thing and I'm usually very patient with music. No idea if she's kind of a 'you had to be there' artist but I'd burn this idol down.

― Moka, Thursday, December 8, 2016 7:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And yeah I also don't like Patti Smith.

― Moka, Thursday, December 8, 2016

well, that's two. One more woman and you're rid of them.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 December 2016 01:42 (eleven months ago) Permalink

For what it's worth, I love Harvey and loathe Patti Smith, so the two don't have to go together.

I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 9 December 2016 02:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

this is the first time i can remember disagreeing with moka

mookieproof, Saturday, 10 December 2016 03:49 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i found rid of me almost unlistenable when i first got it, but i think that's more to do with albini than PJH. i love it now but i think it's a good one to find your way back to after getting into the rest of her work.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 10 December 2016 04:11 (eleven months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

rong

mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

No My Beautiful Leah or There Will Never Be a Better Time (with Desert Sessions)? Wicked list anyways!

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

she wants wicked

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

Anyone going to see her live on this tour?

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

i am. this album seems like kind of a blip. it never really settled with me, I resisted it, and when I lsiten to it it doesn't do much for me; whereas I loved Let England Shake (and everything prior, pretty much). It's been several years since I've seen her so I'm hoping live I feel more invested in these songs.

akm, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

Agree with you on all points akm. Glastonbury 2016 set made these songs come alive a little more, but yeah "Hope Six Demolition Project" is the only retread in Pj Harvey's catalog it seems.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 04:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

vs. uh-huh her's detread?

Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 04:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Guess that's a retread too, but a much better one IMO

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 05:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

I saw her last year on the UK portion of the tour and it was an incredible show, way exceeding all my expectations. I'm lukewarm on the album, but loved it all live. The show was like a piece of theatre or performance rather than a gig, but musically her and the band were astounding, and it all totally worked.

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 10:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

she is a monster live, i saw her around 1998/99 in munich and she rocked the place like crazy. a whirlwind with guitar.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 10:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

She doesn't move too much in the new show, but has a great stage presence regardless.

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 12:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

That's reassuring to hear, krakow. Saw her on the Stories tour which was great but I have a feeling I'll appreciate the live band more this time.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm seeing her in Boston because why not. But yeah, the new album was such a nonevent.

Turangalila, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

Does she play guitar, or just, like, hurdy gurdy?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

iirc she only sings in the current setup

Turangalila, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Mainly she sings, but she does also play sax and guitar in the current set.

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 09:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Just announced two nights in Edinburgh for the International Festival in August. I'll definitely head over for one of those.

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 13:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

Going to the Brooklyn show. Not a fan of the last few records but she's always been great live and her band will probably be top shelf. Plus, looking forward to seeing the new venue.

kwhitehead, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Saw her in the last Primavera Sound. Didn't like last album either but the tracks sound great live. Her performance makes a difference

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

The band is absolutely first rate. Some jaw-dropped performances. The saxophone solos from the main guy in particular I could barely believe, he was awesome.

NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 16:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Saw her in Seattle. Thought the new songs fared better live, especially "The Ministry Of Social Affairs" with the jazz skronk solos. So awesome to see PJ playing sax as well. Highlights were "Written On The Forehead" and "The River" from my favourite album, "Is This Desire?".

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 8 May 2017 21:19 (six months ago) Permalink

gonna drive to LA to see her in a few days. she's prob my favorite living artist that i've never gotten to see live.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 8 May 2017 21:31 (six months ago) Permalink

Awesome, JD. She's insanely inspiring, hope you enjoy the show.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 8 May 2017 21:35 (six months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

My "definitely" became a "sadly not" and I didn't make either Edinburgh International Festival shows because of work/life. Did anyone go?

brain (krakow), Thursday, 10 August 2017 09:12 (three months ago) Permalink

Guys, back in around 1993/4 someone I knew had a demo of four or so tracks that PJ Harvey had recorded with the horn section from a then current group, the name of which eludes me.

I've looked through her discography and haven't seen anything that seems to fit this description. Any bells going off?

Noel Emits, Thursday, 10 August 2017 09:35 (three months ago) Permalink

maybe the March 1993 peel session?

StanM, Thursday, 10 August 2017 10:53 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah, the Peel session where she did Claudine the Inflatable One, Primed and Ticking, Wang Dang Doodle and Naked Cousin has a horn section, but I don't know who they were.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw5QXwuQgcs

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 August 2017 11:00 (three months ago) Permalink

Ah, cool. If not the same recordings then it's presumably the same setup. No horns credited on two tracks releases on Peel Sessions it seems.

My recollection is that the tape was manufactured and had some basic artwork. As in, not something recorded off the radio. Maybe there was a release mooted at some point.

Noel Emits, Thursday, 10 August 2017 11:20 (three months ago) Permalink

*the two tracks released on Peel Session 1991 - 2004

Noel Emits, Thursday, 10 August 2017 11:21 (three months ago) Permalink

Did some digging – the horns came from Gallon Drunk.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 August 2017 11:33 (three months ago) Permalink

Iirc Gallon Drunk may have been the opening act on some or many dates of the tour?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 August 2017 11:39 (three months ago) Permalink

Yes, Gallon Drunk used to open for her back in 1993, at least on some dates.

Terry Edwards and James Johnston (both from GD) are now members of PJ's current touring band.

mthrn, Thursday, 10 August 2017 18:04 (three months ago) Permalink

I saw Gallon Drunk open for her in '93. I knew nothing about them at the time, but they had a baritone player who killed.

Scrawl was the other opener, and they were equally killer.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 10 August 2017 18:22 (three months ago) Permalink


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