Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young: C/D, S/D

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First of all: do we obey ALA style and include a comma after "Nash" or no?

Second: the particular harmonies these guys perfected, used to signify a certain strain of "the sixties" for me--the strain I was repulsed by. It's a complicated issue, but I guess their songs seemed to epitomize to me the most banal aspects of the counterculture, the least meaningfully self-reflective, etc. And I guess I always took the music--distinctive as it may be--as a kind of correlative to that. But I'm starting to think again. I doubt I could ever come around to *loving* them but I willing to give it a try.

So either recommend me some good CSN(Y) songs or sound forth with your eminent disapproval. Etc.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I follow Strunk and White..."in the names of business firms the last comma is usually omitted."

Only CSNY song I like is "Pre-Road Downs" from that first album, with just the three of them. Otherwise, I can't stand 'em. Smug, and those harmonies bore into my brain like a dentist's drill.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:29 (fifteen years ago) link

no comma.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:30 (fifteen years ago) link

i recently heard "teach yer children" at a starbuck's near work, and was repulsed by the smugness of it. not a good sign, since i used to kinda like that one.

i'm more interested in the fact that CSN(Y) (or whatever) were actually REALLY POPULAR and BIG -- as in springsteen in '85/outkast or britney spears BIG. that's such a radical sea-change in mass public musical taste that deserves some comment, no?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:36 (fifteen years ago) link

the thing is, what is "teach yer children" ABOUT? what is "for what it's worth" about either?

they seem like songs that want to appear "relevant" without actually saying anything at all (see also "ball of confusion" by the temptations).

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:39 (fifteen years ago) link

the CSN harmonies KILL "helpless," BTW. it's just TOO MUCH for what is really a gentle, reflective neil young song. it's like pouring tabasco sauce on a souffle. and i think that CSN realize that, too -- cf the first go-round w/ the last, where CSN tone down the harmonizing a LOT. which leads me to wonder about just whose decision it was to NOT edit out the first go-round of harmonies and if this was one of the things that lead to those legendary and infamous CSNY fights.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Dud baby. They sorta represent 60s mediocrity to me. Anytime I hear them I think of frumpy NPR middle-of-the-road liberals trying to recapture their idealistic, pre-tenured/professional youth.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:44 (fifteen years ago) link

"the CSN harmonies KILL "helpless," BTW. "

no, that recording is utterly beautiful in every respect.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:45 (fifteen years ago) link

the context of "for what it's worth" is actually pretty clear w/n the song -- some sort of street hastling b/w LA youth and LA cops. it may be obscure now b/c it happened almost 40 years ago (and wasn't really all that big a deal compared to other youth/cop dust-ups from that time).

"teach yer children," OTOH, was just hippy sermonizing.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:47 (fifteen years ago) link

All I can say is I dare any of you to play 'Looking Forward' in its entirety. A whopper of a stinker, even given the rest of their anemic output. On promo copies the NY closer 'Queen of Them All' was mislabelled 'Queen of The Mall' which just about sums it up for me.

rumple, Monday, 24 May 2004 04:47 (fifteen years ago) link

no, that recording is utterly beautiful in every respect.

well, it would be if not for CSN harmonies. i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here ... :-)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:48 (fifteen years ago) link

the context of "for what it's worth" is actually pretty clear w/n the song -- some sort of street hastling b/w LA youth and LA cops. it may be obscure now b/c it happened almost 40 years ago (and wasn't really all that big a deal compared to other youth/cop dust-ups from that time).


yeah i know the context, but the song still seems hopelessly equivocal and sometimes incoherent.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:49 (fifteen years ago) link

What's that one, later on, that tells what happens when you see the southern cross for the first time? Is that CSN(Y)?

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:56 (fifteen years ago) link

No (Y) on that one.

jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Cs = N/(Y)

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:00 (fifteen years ago) link

I really dislike "Wasted on the Way."

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:01 (fifteen years ago) link

as long as we're discussing "for what it's worth," it's worth pointing out that that one isn't a CSNY song.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:10 (fifteen years ago) link

My boyfriend likes them. They nauseate me. To counterattack he hates the Smiths.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Monday, 24 May 2004 13:03 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...
how about the albums these guys released as various duos? any of those worthwhile?

gear (gear), Thursday, 6 July 2006 06:43 (thirteen years ago) link

No but 'If I Could Only Remember My Name' by David Crosby is so brilliantly fucked up just listening to it makes my teeth go numb.

dr lulu (dr lulu), Thursday, 6 July 2006 07:22 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't remember which album it is off the top of my head, but one of the Crosby/Nash albums has some amazing material on it. super spaced out stuff like on the "If I Could Only Remember My Name" album.

the reason i can't remember which one it is is because they look identical.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf300/f330/f33067crhvi.jpg http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd900/d947/d94749sn54p.jpg

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Thursday, 6 July 2006 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link

here's the deal. all of these albums combined won't cost you more than like 10-20$ in the used vinyl racks. if you like the general sound these guys make (which i LOVE) you're gonna find something worthwhile on almost all of them.

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Thursday, 6 July 2006 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link

i like all this stuff. i was listening to csn's debut album last night, windows open, drinking a beer. good times.

what else would you recommend along these lines that isn't related to csn or y?

gear (gear), Thursday, 6 July 2006 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Bobby Brown "Enlightening Beam Of Axonda"

I found $41 on the ground today, so let's talk about Psychedelic Country!

and all the byrds related projects (even though that is related to c)

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Thursday, 6 July 2006 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link

"Almost Cut My Hair" (the long version) and "Deja Vu" — when The Croz was on, he was boss.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 6 July 2006 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

the s/t is a classic. it's got that sky-high 70's M*A*S*H* theme tune vibe.

ZOT! (davidcorp), Thursday, 6 July 2006 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link

(yeah, the record came out in the sixties. but mash didn't. I think....)

ZOT! (davidcorp), Thursday, 6 July 2006 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

I never owned anything but I've always liked them (long before I ever got into solo Neil Young) and never understood the hate. "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" sounded magical when I was a kid.

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 6 July 2006 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Early Little Feat

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 July 2006 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

"Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" sounded magical when I was a kid.

Still does, to me.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 6 July 2006 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

The Fantastic Expedition of Dillard and Clark is kinda ground zero for the late-60s and early-70s fusion of West Coast rock, pop, country, and bluegrass. I think more so than any other record from the Byrds/Buffalo Springfield axis. It's just perfect.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 6 July 2006 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I'll second that Little Feat recommendation. If you are so inclined, I *highly* recommend that you head over to the Live Music Archive and download this September 19, 1974 Little Feat show. Here's the setlist:

1. Rock and Roll Doctor
2. Two Trains
3. The Fan
4. On Your Way Down
5. Spanish Moon >
6. Skin It Back >
7. Fat Man In The Bath Tub
8. Oh Atlanta
9. Willin'

It's a really, really excellent quality Pre-FM broadcast recording. Out of my entire bootleg collection, this is the one show I keep coming back to the most. It's just so fuckin' good. Better than the studio recordings, even (IMHO). They're on fire, I tells ya! Now go get it! *pant pant pant* ;)

Mama Roux (Mama Roux), Thursday, 6 July 2006 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link

more threads of stuff like this Can we talk about early-mid70s West Coast post-psych/pop/rock/folk-rock/country-rock?

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Friday, 7 July 2006 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link

and i'm listening to the self titled crosby/nash and there have been moments where i've literally had to stop writing/reading and just listen because they're so beautiful

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre300/e349/e34945e0x9d.jpg

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Friday, 7 July 2006 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Thanks for that outtakes link...holy fuck indeed.

dr lulu (dr lulu), Friday, 7 July 2006 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link

those crosby files on that page are awesome! how the hell do i save them to my computer? : (

gear (gear), Saturday, 8 July 2006 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link

right click save to desktop, d00d (or should i say n00b?)

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Saturday, 8 July 2006 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link

n00b : (

gear (gear), Saturday, 8 July 2006 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm definitely a fan of CSNY. Harmonies are fantastic imho.

shorty (shorty), Saturday, 8 July 2006 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

David Crosby is obviously a guy with some problems, but he wrote a handful of really amazing melodic songs. Deja Vu has a great arrangement, that last part is almost if Steve Reich was writing a pop song. Wooden Ships is also a really lovely tune and it has pretty morbid lyrics for such a good melody.

I got to see them on a free ticket a few years ago and I was really amazed by how well they can hit those harmonies live.

Hating on CSNY is like making fun of your ex-hippy uncle that teaches middle school.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 9 July 2006 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Bobby Brown "Enlightening Beam Of Axonda"

thats really good then? i always look at it in the store but am suspicious of it. maybe its the book cover packaging

CSNY is pretty great and I've been wanting to check out "If I Could Only Remember My Name" for awhile now

XD (eman), Sunday, 9 July 2006 05:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I've only ever heard their half-dozen most familiar songs; and of those, "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" is the only one I really like. But that's a good one indeed, with the highly rhythmic rockin' acoustics and the "Doo doo doo"s riding the song out to the finish. And that's about all there is. (Never even liked "Helpless" either.)

Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Sunday, 9 July 2006 08:25 (thirteen years ago) link

All I can say is I dare any of you to play 'Looking Forward' in its entirety. A whopper of a stinker, even given the rest of their anemic output

People be saying crazy things.

marc h. (marc h.), Sunday, 9 July 2006 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link

I would say they are classic for those two first albums (including the CSN one). Of course, the rest are dud.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 July 2006 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

but of course

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Sunday, 9 July 2006 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

i picked up the nash/crosby album last night and it's pretty ace. between immersing myself in that and those crosby mp3's and what not it's been a pretty awesome weekend.

gear (gear), Sunday, 9 July 2006 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

No thread just on Graham Nash, so I thought I'd just revive this instead.

I'm listening to Songs For Beginners and it's gorgeous. I can't get enough of the group of musicians surrounding CSNY around 1970, including Garcia, Lesh, Grace Slick, and so on; the PERRO thing. This record is part of this group. "I Used To Be A King" is a highlight.

Evidently Nash has a retrospective box set coming out later this year. Does anyone know anything else about this?

And did any of you pick up the Crosby box last year? And was it any good? I love the outtakes from "If I Could Only Remember My Name" (linked to earlier in this thread), but evidently these didn't come out on the box. I'd love a box of just the PERRO stuff.

Euler, Friday, 25 July 2008 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

and i'm listening to the self titled crosby/nash and there have been moments where i've literally had to stop writing/reading and just listen because they're so beautiful

Yes - this is a really really good record and I don't know anything at all about the rest of the CSNY universe. Search "Immigration Man" if nothing else.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 26 July 2008 14:53 (eleven years ago) link

think i said it elsewhere, but listening to some of that buffalo springfield stuff you can see why stills could get away with his insane braggadocio. though i don't think he actually delivered on it, at the time he must've seemed wildly talented -- guitar hero, versatile singer, skilled producer, songwriter, etc. not sure who else was quite the entire package -- maybe mccartney is the only real comparison!

tylerw, Monday, 6 July 2015 16:50 (four years ago) link

In Stills world that's probably high praise!

"Hey Neil you did something that was almost as good as something I already did!"

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 6 July 2015 16:50 (four years ago) link

as opposed to "Bob's no musician"

Brad C., Monday, 6 July 2015 16:52 (four years ago) link

Xxpost, speaking of which you practically feel Stills thinking "man finally doing this song right!" when they do "Blackbird"

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 6 July 2015 16:53 (four years ago) link

this is the dude who said McCartney should stop using the Hofner bass or some shit

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, July 6, 2015 11:46 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha yeah that's as great one, i think he said "we need to get you a real bass" or something lol

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 July 2015 16:55 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

Internet killed Dallas Taylor again today.

"Damn the Taquitos" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 05:38 (three years ago) link

think this is the first time he's died?

tylerw, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 16:00 (three years ago) link

The rock drummer was a key sideman for Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. He played at Woodstock, appeared on seven top-selling albums and bought three Ferraris. He also stabbed himself in the stomach with a butcher knife and drank so heavily that he required a liver transplant in 1990, five years after becoming sober.

tylerw, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 16:06 (three years ago) link

oh lol, you're right, 2015...

tylerw, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 16:09 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

welp

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/graham-nash-i-dont-want-anything-to-do-with-david-crosby-20160308

"I don't like David Crosby right now. He's been awful for me the last two years, just fucking awful," Nash said. "I've been there and saved his fucking ass for 45 years, and he treated me like shit. You can't do that to me. You can do it for a day or so, until I think you're going to come around. When it goes on longer, and I keep getting nasty emails from him, I'm done. Fuck you. David has ripped the heart out of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 10 March 2016 13:58 (three years ago) link

"The truth is, after being totally immersed in me and David and Stephen and Neil's music, I'm done. I've had 10 years of it. Leave me the fuck alone. I need to concentrate on me now."

...he said as he put on a robe and prepared himself for a House Hunters binge.

Now I Know How Joan of Arcadia Felt (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:24 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

sad

niels, Saturday, 24 September 2016 20:18 (three years ago) link

I'm sure he's had his moments given what a massive drama queen that band collectively is. But Nash seems like a genuinely good guy. Any sense of what he's mad at Crosby for? It sounds like the Croz did something directly to Nash.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 25 September 2016 02:29 (three years ago) link

According to Ultimate Classic Rock: "Passages that Crosby says were fabricated from Nash’s 2013 memoir Wild Tales: A Rock & Roll Life appear to have soured their relationship. “Graham’s book is full of inaccuracies and chock-full of misinformation,” Crosby said. “When he handed an advance copy to me, he said, ‘It’s too late to change anything, but here it is.’ I was very unhappy about it. It’s a very shallow, very self-serving book, and full of BS."

Apparently Nash was angry at Crosby's harsh words about Neil Young's relationship with Daryl Hannah, whom Crosby termed a gold-digger.

Edd Hurt, Sunday, 25 September 2016 02:54 (three years ago) link

Well, he said that it was something personal beyond the Hannah stuff. But, over a memoir? I find that almost hard to believe. Yet at the same time, so very CSN(and sometimes Y).

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 25 September 2016 19:37 (three years ago) link

He said something nasty? He did something nasty? He said something about something nasty he did?

Autotune the Sky (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 September 2016 19:39 (three years ago) link

It's Mr. Crosby if you're nasty...

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 September 2016 20:06 (three years ago) link

Lol

Autotune the Sky (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 September 2016 20:09 (three years ago) link

Just heard "Carrie Anne" and was inspired to come back to thread to see if there were any new, just breaking developments.

Autotune the Sky (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 September 2016 20:51 (three years ago) link

One bar of "Carrie-Anne" or "Look through Any Window" is worth the entire run of CSN.

Edd Hurt, Monday, 26 September 2016 01:55 (three years ago) link

One note of "Bus Stop" or even "On a Carousel."

Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 September 2016 02:15 (three years ago) link

OTM

Οὖτις, Monday, 26 September 2016 02:53 (three years ago) link

Bus Stop is all time. CSN are very much of a time.

simmel, Monday, 26 September 2016 03:36 (three years ago) link

although Scott Miller made me sort of respect Long Time Gone in that Music: What Happened? writeup.

simmel, Monday, 26 September 2016 03:41 (three years ago) link

Hey in this video Bobby Elliott is wearing a hat similar to one David Crosby might wear to upstage Roger and Chris in The Byrds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgA4-bLcoN8

Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 September 2016 04:22 (three years ago) link

Using male pattern baldness to upstage fellow band members, how low can someone sink?

Bottlerockey (Tom D.), Monday, 26 September 2016 09:03 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

I think Suite Judy is maybe the best thing they ever did
Who sings the high part on “how can you catch the SPARROW?”

calstars, Saturday, 3 February 2018 20:08 (one year ago) link

And the advice “if you can’t be with the one you love, Love the one you’re with” is utter shit

calstars, Saturday, 3 February 2018 20:55 (one year ago) link

haha yeah that never made sense to me

niels, Saturday, 3 February 2018 21:18 (one year ago) link

I remember hearing that suite for the first time and being very impressed with it, hadn't heard anything like it at the time

niels, Saturday, 3 February 2018 21:20 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

can't hang with all of "Deja Vu" but man do I love "Country Girl".

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 20 October 2019 09:19 (three weeks ago) link

Do love the extended jamming bits of the electric sets. THought the big Sur Down By The River was pretty great when i saw the film, i think tht's 6 minutes there . it was often about 18 odd on the live sets I've heard. & I think the focu8s is a Bit different to Crazy Horse.

Stevolende, Sunday, 20 October 2019 11:37 (three weeks ago) link

Have they made up yet? No? <checks notes> Well, at least we’ll always have this—their last performance—to remember them by:

https://youtu.be/-mLSMbKo-5w

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 20 October 2019 12:37 (three weeks ago) link

"Country Girl" has always been one of my favourite Neil songs.

clemenza, Sunday, 20 October 2019 12:54 (three weeks ago) link

Have they made up yet? No? <checks notes> Well, at least we’ll always have this—their last performance—to remember them by:

https://youtu.be/-mLSMbKo-5w🕸

Louvins and Everlys eat your hearts out. Too bad Lou Reed wasn’t around to add a fourth line.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 October 2019 14:12 (three weeks ago) link

That "Silent Night" clip turns up in the Crosby documentary, but--I also checked another online version--a reaction shot of the Obamas, looking appropriately horrified, has evidently been edited out.

clemenza, Sunday, 20 October 2019 14:26 (three weeks ago) link

Wonder what’s in that Caitlín R. Kiernan book? Oh I see.

Aldiss is great when he is on though. Maybe somebody should do a POLL. I nominate you, Shakey.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 October 2019 15:33 (three weeks ago) link

Ha wrong thread.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 October 2019 15:33 (three weeks ago) link

On this thread wanted to ask if we have a dedicated thread for particularly out of tune harmonizing.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 October 2019 15:39 (three weeks ago) link

This band is an absolute monument to 60s and 70s excess – the drugs, in-fighting, tell-alls, and mostly underwhelming (and often embarrassing) product. And I say that as a guy who likes a few of its members somewhat intensely.

In that sense, that “Silent Night” clip is as note perfect a finale as you could possibly script.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 20 October 2019 19:39 (three weeks ago) link

You think?

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 October 2019 21:26 (three weeks ago) link

stills is doing the talking and yeah clearly saying something horrible, cros as per usual giving the avuncular creep stare, neil is estimating how much the gas mileage will decrease with one additional passenger, nash is shaking his head slightly as if to say 'you don't want to get in this car'

― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, November 18, 2014 5:22 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

ahahahahaaaa

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 20 October 2019 23:12 (three weeks ago) link

I always thought _county gjrl_ was a scrap that fell off neils table that he picked up and gave to csn.

calstars, Sunday, 20 October 2019 23:55 (three weeks ago) link

You think?


I know, it’s like “duh.” But the last few years have been such a tire fire of recriminations and that clip is just so singularly god awful that it bears repeating.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 21 October 2019 00:08 (three weeks ago) link

sorry, that was my way of saying "otm"

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 October 2019 00:15 (three weeks ago) link

CSN > CSNY

fite me

solos that go widdly widdly widdly (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 21 October 2019 01:05 (three weeks ago) link

Obv

calstars, Monday, 21 October 2019 01:06 (three weeks ago) link

Even the guitar playing is atrocious in that clip - they thought of everything

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 October 2019 01:13 (three weeks ago) link


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