I've been listening to 'Better' for years and it vexes me that I still don't know exactly why there are two versions, I even asked Kurt once.
― Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Monday, 28 February 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
isn't it plus orchestration or something? i don't think i've ever heard the second version of better. is it worth it iyo?
― dell (del), Monday, 28 February 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
There's different tracks, additional instruments and production. You should check out both.
It's more the why than the what that has piqued me all these years.
― Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Monday, 28 February 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
oh ok, thanks
well there's that second version of precollection w/different production and extra songs...confusing
― dell (del), Monday, 28 February 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
also what was his response when you asked him about it?
― dell (del), Monday, 28 February 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah well, it was in a very noisy club, I was DJ'ing/trying to concentrate and I was kinda drunk and he's so frigging tall and I was a bit overwhelmed really, so I can't really remember.
― Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, I have located my 4 CD copies of Lilys' Better Can't Make Your Life Better:1) US edition #1 on Primary/Elektra (tracks #10-11 = The Sammael Sea/Returns Every Morning)2) JP edition #1 on east/west Japan with bonus: Welfare Murder Plot/Baby's A Dealer (aka Who Studies The Past? subpop single of the month)3) UK edition #2 on Che (remixed with strings, bassoon, bass harmonica, etc.), tracks #10-12 = Touch The Water*/Returns Every Morning/More Than That Is Deserved*Apples In Stereo cover4) JP edition #2 again on east/west Japan with bonus tracks which look like it is the Services For The Soon To Be Departed EP tacked on.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
2) JP edition #1 on east/west Japan with bonus: Welfare Murder Plot/Baby's A Dealer (aka Who Studies The Past? subpop single of the month)
welp there's one for the wishlist
― fat either way, of course (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
cover arts:1-2 have the pink/blue hand diamonds on peachy/yellow background3-4 have the red/yellow hands on ocean blue back ground
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Would love to hear those tracks on the first two.
― Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
y'all want #2 then? I can U/L the full CD and then just the last 2 songs.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
pls pls
― fat either way, of course (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
yes would like to hear those! had no idea this record was so complicated.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
me too, thanks!
― Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 09:33 (thirteen years ago) link
*uploading now*
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
:D i spent a good part of last night trying to find video of the time i saw these dudes play at no life records in 96 or 97? no luck, though i could swear that someone was filming.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
JP edition #1 on east/west Japan with bonus: Welfare Murder Plot/Baby's A Dealer (aka Who Studies The Past? subpop single of the month)http://www.mediafire.com/file/odb00f90qag4nd9/Better%20Can%27t%20Make%20Your%20Life%20Better.zip
If you just want Which Studies The Past?http://www.mediafire.com/file/bslxwe8b8rpg29t/Which%20Studies%20The%20Past.zip
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I think in 97 his backing band was The Beachwood Sparks en totale so that would make sense. Aaron from KXLU/Aron's/NoLife was his drummer for a while there.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah --- i think that was before i knew who beachwood sparks were...
― tylerw, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to this for the first time in a long time "Who Is Moving?" is really ace.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
love this band
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
steve, can you put the uk version up too? thanks for this!
― mizzell, Thursday, 3 March 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
at your request.
*U/Ling now*
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck i love the way 'welfare...' is mixed
― some velveeta morning (electricsound), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow, never thought I'd hear a CD sourced Which Studies The Past. Very cool, thank you!
― dlp9001, Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
1998 remixed/alternate BCMYLB:http://www.mediafire.com/file/su2e7jb8ly546ah/1998%20-%20Better%20Can%27t%20Make%20Your%20Life%20Better.zip
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
So I guess the way Kurt wanted them labeled is 1996 version vs. 1998 version.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
A-B "Returns Every Morning" just the drums... pretty nuts.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
what i can pick up: oboe, bass sax, bass harmonica, cello (quartet?), drums to the FRONT, tambourine, a little more crunch out of the rhythm guitar.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
"welfare"'s opening organ/bass riff sounds like an homage to "it's so hard to fall in love" eh?
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
"Paz En El Hogar" sounds radically different as well... the 98 version cut by a minute or so.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
So, are there any weird-ass japanese versions of Precollection/The Lilys?
― dlp9001, Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Doubtful, seems like only major label stuff or certifiable indie hits got Japanese bonus track treatment.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
thx steve, you da man
― tylerw, Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Yep, thank you Steve!
― Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Awesome. I wish there was more rarities from their early to mid nineties days, too.
― Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
There was a whole instrumental demos bootleg called "Send In The Subs" that was post-Eccsame I want to say?
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
thx shasta!
― ridiculous, uncalled for slap (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 March 2011 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Is that bootleg in the same vein as Eccsame?
― Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Thursday, 3 March 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it was bridging from Eccsame to A Brief History... I had it once (digitally) and now can't find it at all... it's on ebay japan though funnily enough.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
err it was on ebay japan, last year.
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
It has to be on the filesharing networks, it's 14 tracks over 62min, "released" around 1998 iirc?
― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 March 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Never heard this Welfare/Baby single before, awesome!
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 3 March 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
1994:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGBX75Z3Ubo
1996:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pjY271yvCw
1998:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y4CTUcfBEk
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Sunday, 12 August 2012 04:36 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks so much for these!
― Evan, Sunday, 12 August 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3tHAGrhmls&feature=related
― Evan, Monday, 13 August 2012 04:35 (eleven years ago) link
^^I can't ask for much more than an acoustic version of Claire Hates Me ^^
― Evan, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
i dug it, but would have liked him to sing out more
― on a scale of 1 to Rhonda how hot are you today? (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:47 (eleven years ago) link
I know styles have changed but there is something so refreshing about seeing such average looking joes playing shoegaze in that 1994 show. I grew up in a rural suburban town so I relate to guys that look like they could be in any old cover band on the outside, but are into messy music like stuff identified as lo-fi or american brand shoegaze.
― Evan, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah he sounds a bit shy, I agree.
Shoegaze is my favorite genre to strip down in that way, since the melody is already so buried normally, but the progressions tend to be really wistful and bittersweet so it just sounds gorgeous.
― Evan, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link