Counting Crows--C/D

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Come on, they're basically a weaker, mopier, white-boy-dreads version of Wilco...not a bad thing at all.

Akiva Gottlieb, Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Complete dud.

I hated then when they arrived on the scene, and Durvitz sounds like he's singing while exercising on a treadmill. and nothing subsequent was much better.

uh (eetface), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Wilco can not take much more mopey weakness, dreadlocks aside. Dud.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link

How many ways will folks be able to find to say Dud?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

I think they're complete and total classics!

(NB: I am totally lying my ass off in the above sentence.)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link

one more, at least: dud. that singer is the most preening, full of himself asshat damn near ever.

xpost: hahahaha!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link

How many ways will folks be able to find to say Dud?

Well, my way is by saying "Classic."

*throws middle fingers at everyone and runs off*

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Your responses are more boring and predictable than this band's output. Also, Adam Duritz is not a good-looking guy--his depressed-teenager shtick is justified. I suggest giving Recovering The Satellites a cursory listen...it's the Tago Mago of CC's oeuvre.

Akiva Gottlieb, Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

x-post

"Counting Crows fan in ashamed to reveal true identity shocker."

noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

MY response was not boring!

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Shouldn't this have been filed under Defend the Indefensible?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Truth, but you posted while I was fact-checking my reply.

Akiva Gottlieb, Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Also, Adam Duritz is not a good-looking guy--his depressed-teenager shtick is justified.

Agreed that's he is not a good-looking guy. He's also a non-good-looking guy who's been in four confirmed relationships with hot actresses. Then again, if he miserably botched all of them, and there is evidence to suggest that he did, then your point stands.

I think their talent for quality songwriting is overlooked; I also think this for the Gin Blossoms.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I actually agree with you on the Gin Blossoms bit there.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link

But the difference between Counting Crows and the Gin Blossoms is that the Gin Blossoms did entertaining, fun, breezy-sounding guitar-pop and Counting Crows eat a gigantic pulsating mechadick.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Great. Now I'm going to end up having nightmares about gigantic pulsating mechadicks.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

The Tago Mago ref. just exploded my head.

Theire most famous record still looks like it's by Cunting Crews.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

DJ Tanner was going to a Counting Crows concert on Full House. Therefore it automatically gets the stamp of shititude.

uh (eetface), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Wasn't there a CC thread from a month or two ago that had tons of people defending them? What happened?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, after you've used "my girlfriend was giving me a handjob while I was driving and a Crows tune was on the radio", you're out of defenses....

uh (eetface), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Okay, "Mr. Jones" was as fun as anything the Gin Blossoms did, and reminds me of junior-high dances.

"A Long December" is pretty.

They aren't the Wallflowers.

So neither classic nor dud.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link

When I saw them live a few months back, Counting Crows made The Wallflowers' opening set look like dull, MOR, nepotism-onica.

Akiva Gottlieb, Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:58 (fifteen years ago) link

That's because it was?! omg lol wtf

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link

the Counting Crows made the Wallflowers sound like the Counting Crows

uh (eetface), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:13 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't understand the hatred. The first couple of records aren't bad, and the only time I saw them live they were excellent.

James Ball (James Ball), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Have you noticed how even the people who defend them end up crucifying them with faaaaaaint praise?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Nouthy, how come you never get my shtick?

Akiva Gottlieb, Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Because I'm drunk.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm not saying they're the best thing evah, just nowhere near hateable.

James Ball (James Ball), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I think it's time for people to start posting lyrics

Sym (shmuel), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link

"grey is my favorite color"

Sym (shmuel), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link

'I felt so symbolic yesterday' = single worst lyric fragment ever.

Aaron A., Sunday, 9 May 2004 00:09 (fifteen years ago) link

"Omaha
Somewhere in middle America
Get right to the heart of matters
It's the heart that matters more"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 9 May 2004 00:16 (fifteen years ago) link

miiiiissssssssssterrrrrrrrrrrrrr jones and me!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 9 May 2004 00:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I love that first record. I really do. And every once in awhile they record a pretty good pop tune.

But they are forever burned into my head for Big Yellow Taxi and that song/video sums up everything wrong with them. INCLUDING having Vanessa Carlton in the video and credited on the song when all she did was go "mmmm-bop-bop-bop."

Like Hanson didn't already cover the whole Mmmbop thing. What the hell more does she think needs to be added?

Catty (Catty), Sunday, 9 May 2004 00:50 (fifteen years ago) link

you guys spent a whole thread on this? next.....

AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 9 May 2004 00:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Durvitz sounds like he's singing while exercising on a treadmill

I'll refrain from any jokes about Fatty Dread Man and his Gut of Goo.

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 9 May 2004 01:04 (fifteen years ago) link

I think they are a great pop singles band. If that's not your thing, so be it. A Long December is a great song. Mr. Jones was overplayed and overanalyzed and probably underthought, which makes for a nasty backlash everytime. American Girls makes for great drunken summer listening. And I personally think Hangin' Around is their best song EVAH.

Greatest hits => Classic

frankE (frankE), Sunday, 9 May 2004 02:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I have the occaisonal need to hear 'Angel of the Silences' but it's definitely a case of the urgency of the drums and the way the guitars stomp all over everything making up for all the things that make Counting Crows quite detestable.

minolta (minolta), Sunday, 9 May 2004 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link

"A Long December" is the one where he mewls "yeayerahraaeaaaaahhhh" at the end, right?

Not so much DUD as, say, STAB.

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Sunday, 9 May 2004 03:49 (fifteen years ago) link

A Long December has the best guitar solo ever. Two notes, over and over again. It's like they didn't even try, and were proud of it.

uh (eetface), Sunday, 9 May 2004 05:50 (fifteen years ago) link

it's rather pathetic, really, just to go along with the flock so i'll say BEST BAND EVAH. ;-) honestly, they made a few classique tunes, that's it. so neither classick nor dud-oh. to say utterly dud is to know your joni, the band, crosby stills nash & young a bit too well. to say classic is showing your ignorance of old soft rawk. ;-)

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 9 May 2004 06:23 (fifteen years ago) link

These guys are terrible.

CRW (CRW), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:48 (fifteen years ago) link

When Adam D injured himself during a concert several years ago, reviewer Jon Pareles wrote "now he's got a reason to feel sorry for himself." How many bands inspire actual humor from the NY Times?

lovebug starski, Sunday, 9 May 2004 10:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Someone actually compared them to Wilco? They're like the fricken' Beatles compared to Wilco....geez...

John 2, Sunday, 9 May 2004 11:41 (fifteen years ago) link

can't stand them

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 9 May 2004 13:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh FUCKING Dud! Easily the worst of their ilk. These guys make the DMB sound like Pere Fuckin' Ubu. Damn them straight to hell along with Vanessa Carlton and the fuckin' cast of "Friends".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 May 2004 13:17 (fifteen years ago) link

That guy sings in a very whiney voice. Makes me want to scream and tear the radio out of the car and throw it out the window.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 9 May 2004 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Right. But at least he *sings*. Singers shouldn't be afraid of that, ya know! But tell it to Tweedy... or Lou Reed... or...

John 2, Sunday, 9 May 2004 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Counting Crows fans to thread plz

Trik Turner Fan Club President (Tape Store), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 00:09 (ten years ago) link

I used to like them and I have a fondness for certain songs, but I find the ballads unbearable, sorry.

clotpoll, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 00:58 (ten years ago) link

ayo these dudes had some jams.

dumb pseud (some dude), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 01:40 (ten years ago) link

The first record came out when I was at the absolute zenith of my early-teen indie snobbery and yet if I happen to hear a single from that album over the speakers at a bar I get a small whiff of that nostalgic feeling I thought I would be above. Perhaps that makes them slightly superior to their contemporaries, or perhaps it is just the alcohol. A non-mean-spirited dud.

Shh! It's NOT Me!, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 19:57 (ten years ago) link

one of my bros is in a minimal-electronica band with the guitarist... sounds NOTHING like CCrows...

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 21:31 (ten years ago) link

the acoustic half of across a wire is really really tight.

rent, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 22:17 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1yts9uZ3m1qc3wjlo1_500.jpg

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:27 (seven years ago) link

eight months pass...

"Long December" playing in the hotel restaurant where I'm trying to eat breakfast. Truly, this is the worst music of all fucking time.

too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 17 December 2012 17:13 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

So this is a pretty glowing review. I've never been into this band, but that write up is very enticing.

Any thoughts?

Austin, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 06:15 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

new record is pretty nice!, he announced to no one

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 00:50 (four years ago) link

"cover up the sun" really sweetly harnesses the vibes of folksy grateful dead

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 00:51 (four years ago) link

it's possible this is the least insufferable crows record bc almost none of the lyrics are about how duritz is an abandoned dreadlocked baby no one likes

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 00:55 (four years ago) link

justifying my continued affection for this band to someone the other day i said "it's a dude who desperately wants to be van morrison fronting a band who desperately wants to be the band and i think these are noble pursuits. it's just unfortunate that frontdude wants to invest the pursuit with his broetry"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 00:58 (four years ago) link

and i say that still loving a lot of his lyrics. anyway this is my fifth post in a row in the counting crows c/d thread

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 01:02 (four years ago) link

I secretly like this band way more than I should

ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 01:49 (four years ago) link

oh good, someone else

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 01:53 (four years ago) link

my favorite counting crows record is still hard candy which imo is at least 70 percent an album about insomnia and relentlessly traveling the country within the shifting center of that insomnia, 20 percent an album about memory, 5 percent an album about richard manuel dying, 5 percent an abominable big yellow taxi cover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjZE-_8BsM

if you don't come through, i wouldn't wait for you
i understand that everyone goes disappearing
into the greater gray that covers over everyday
and hovers in the distance

is a pretty good lyric imo

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 02:03 (four years ago) link

i liked that Potter's Lullaby one

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 03:16 (four years ago) link

I like most of the first album and a few things on the second.

akm, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 03:39 (four years ago) link

duritz was a total dick to me right when the first album came out and I ran into him on the street and congratulated him on it. he looked at me like I was an alien. granted I was probably high.

akm, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 03:40 (four years ago) link

I revived the other thread last year
POLL: Counting Crows - August & Everything After
also worth reading that Grantland piece I linked in there.

I have much love for this band. They are the band my big sis and I bonded over in the 90s and still text each other about every other month or so (she lives on the other side of the US). We've both been to CC gigs within the last year by ourselves and live texted each other throughout.

FKATlovestofu better (Spottie), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 17:05 (four years ago) link

Brad and Spottie talking such a strong game that it makes me almost wanna do one of my periodic "check out music you used to really hate and see if you like it now" things

Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 17:28 (four years ago) link

give it a shot!

FKATlovestofu better (Spottie), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 17:32 (four years ago) link

I still love the first two records, the second one especially. I heard a song from the new one and it was pretty good! Will have to give the whole thing a listen.

cwkiii, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 17:46 (four years ago) link

I used to like them and have fondness for a few songs but aero your long post on another thread about your utter contempt for this band is some beautiful hating and I would be sad to see you renege on it.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 18:24 (four years ago) link

ha those posts are great it's true! I will never feel the need to defend this band, tbf. Just one of those bands I like that I expect everyone else hates and I'm comfortable with that. Would be interested in hearing aero's thoughts on a re-listen tho, see if the hatred is too deep to approach this from a different angle.

FKATlovestofu better (Spottie), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 18:44 (four years ago) link

Basically Spottie feels about Counting Crows the way I feel about Styx.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 18:47 (four years ago) link

I will never feel the need to defend this band

yep

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 18:57 (four years ago) link

count me in. i actually liked large chunks of that covers record from a few years back. didn't even know a new one was due.

Bus Sex Teen Busted After Queef Beef (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 28 August 2014 20:48 (four years ago) link

Recovering The Satellites is a wonderful album imo

birdman junior dad (some dude), Thursday, 28 August 2014 20:51 (four years ago) link

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02539/duritz_2539013b.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 28 August 2014 20:53 (four years ago) link

"Long December" playing in the hotel restaurant where I'm trying to eat breakfast. Truly, this is the worst music of all fucking time.

too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned) wrote this at 2012-12-17 17:13:11.000

I totally get how this is not breakfast music.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 21:00 (four years ago) link

I totally get how this is not breakfast music.

and the feeling that it's all a lot of egg whites with no yolks

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:30 (four years ago) link

spottie what do you think of the new one

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 15:32 (four years ago) link

Bout to fire it up, will report back!

FKATlovestoFU better (Spottie), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 16:55 (four years ago) link

think "earthquake driver" is his best lyric overall in a while (saturday nights & sunday mornings was oddly both restrained and unhinged lyrically, duritz endlessly musing on "everything" and "nothing" which was pretty boring). think "dislocation" is my favorite song. think this is way better than saturday nights in general and really enjoy the expansive qualities of "palisades park" and "johnny appleseed's lament"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 18:23 (four years ago) link

Listened a couple times.

God of the Ocean Tides (aka Dust in the Wind?) is really nice, as well as Possiblity Days. I think they do ballads as good as anyone. Palisades Park and John Appleseed's Lament are def standouts. The hook on Dislocation kinda grates but the rest is good, might grow on me. Kinda love the final third of this lp straight up. Even into the ragtime stomper 'cover up the sun'.

FKATlovestoFU better (Spottie), Thursday, 4 September 2014 15:19 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

been spending a lot of time with the most recent one and it's better than I even gave it credit for at the time (I am weirdly, unnecessarily bet-hedging in this thread idk why)

been preaching to the already-converted for a while that hard candy is their best record if you delete the big yellow taxi cover from every layer of existence

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 August 2016 02:10 (two years ago) link

I've always had a soft spot for their tune "Perfect Blue Buildings" as when I was in school I remember being dirty and dead tired washing dishes about 3am in the back of a restaurant/bar alone hearing it on this sad radio that was zip tied up above the 3 sink.

earlnash, Wednesday, 17 August 2016 02:23 (two years ago) link

i associate those first albums really strongly with dirty teenage restaurant work, too. that stuff is probably too intertwined with certain memories for me to even really hear what it sounds like.

dc, Wednesday, 17 August 2016 02:39 (two years ago) link

What I hate about them, much like Rob Thomas, is that Duritz's voice MAKES them MOR. He's like the anti-Fagen, whose voice IMO contrasts/complements nicely with all that Steely Dan sheen.

Duritz, instead, grounds everything in this horrible 'tastefulness' that is completely repellent IMO

Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 17 August 2016 02:46 (two years ago) link

I got basically no critical perspective, but whataya mean by tastefulness

dc, Wednesday, 17 August 2016 02:53 (two years ago) link

I too am wondering

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 August 2016 03:24 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

holiday in spain song is hitting me today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJatv7CUhys

its a real damn shame the album didnt end with this song

big city slam (Spottie), Thursday, 11 July 2019 19:27 (one week ago) link

#1 hit in Holland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkErDMj1TW8

ArchCarrier, Thursday, 11 July 2019 19:38 (one week ago) link

its a real damn shame the album didnt end with this song

― big city slam (Spottie), Thursday, July 11, 2019 12:27 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

afaic big ol taxi is a bonus track from hell

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 July 2019 19:52 (one week ago) link

At least the original bonus track didn't have Vanessa Carlton on it, which always seemed like an odd addition.

MarkoP, Thursday, 11 July 2019 20:07 (one week ago) link

afaic big ol taxi is a bonus track from hell

― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, July 11, 2019 12:52 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

fair. song really set them back and killed what little reputation they had at that point.

big city slam (Spottie), Thursday, 11 July 2019 20:11 (one week ago) link

#1 hit in Holland:

― ArchCarrier, Thursday, July 11, 2019 12:38 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

did not know!

big city slam (Spottie), Thursday, 11 July 2019 20:11 (one week ago) link

At least the original bonus track didn't have Vanessa Carlton on it, which always seemed like an odd addition.

― MarkoP, Thursday, July 11, 2019 1:07 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oooo bop bop bop

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 July 2019 21:01 (one week ago) link


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