Why does Wayne Rogers get so little love?

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I'm just kicking out the Major Stars before heading home. This guy is so unreal. One of the best shows I ever saw was Magic Hour with about 50 other people. My friend and I would just look at eachother during each song with stupid grins on our faces, like, "Here it comes!!" just before he whipsawed us with some mindbending solo.

Is it just cuz he shares a name with Trapper John??

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

He gets more love around here than you might think!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

But what about in the real world??

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

Well Ace and Adam were fans, but Mallory has moved on.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

I must have missed that episode.

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

crystalized movements were weird and highly likeable. magic hour weren't nearly as likeable. i don't think that was necessarily the fault of any particular one of the musicians, but i do think a cross between CM and G500's rhythm section was guaranteed to not really work.

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

I absolutely loved Magic Hour. I actually think the dichotomy makes it even more interesting. Each couple had to work with the other's m.o. Major Stars disappointed me at first because I had to get used to the different approach. Now though, I love it all! I'm gushing... I need to get a glass of water.

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

That first Crystalized Movements album from 1983 is amazing, grossly underrated, and completely ahead of its time.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

Mind Disaster, that is.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link

It's pretty damn good, I agree.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

i had a buddy in college who was a wayne rogers freak, but the lo-fi / bad singing stuff (namely Crystalized Movements and Magic Hour) never really impressed me enough to investigate beyond the odd record here or there. Few years later: I like all the Major Stars I heard and absolutely love Heathen Shame (and lots of Twisted Village stuff) - but nothing could have prepared me for the Wayne Rogers Unit at the DeStijl fest last year. Absolutely one of the highlights of the fest. I was totally unprepared. Devastatingly good.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

This Wideness Comes is also amazing too, and was underrated as well. I'm not sure if this album's musical proximity to Bauhaus was intended or not, but it shore didn't hurt my appreciation of it.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

I've lost at least half my hearing from his records and seeing him live!! Favorite moments include show on the Amherst common where the police were nice enough to let Wayne finish his solo and even cheered before telling him to turn down. And Hated Shame (Wayne/Kate/Greg Kelley/Paul Flahery/Chirs Corsano) caused structural damage.
The Wayne Rodgers Unit show I recorded on Mini Disc in the other room and it still clipped cuase it was so loud....

brg30 (brg30), Thursday, 6 May 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

vermonster. vermonster. vermonster. amen.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 6 May 2004 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

No shortage of Wayne Rogers love over here. just got the Ego Summit record from him at the wfmu record fair...
The Vermonster 2LP is the bees knees (xpost), as is the BORB track on the Stars that Play with Dead Jimi's Dice.
Magic Hour - awesome live, never listen to the CDs though.
The last Crystallized Movements LP is great, not so much Dog, Tree... & the purple one.
Heathen Shame live at a friend's bar was the least enjoyable noise thing ever, I am sad to report.

autovac (autovac), Thursday, 6 May 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

I really like the one Wayne Rogers solo record I have, the one with the image of the cat-piano, also the BORB track about Jimi Hendrix on some Twisted Village comp on Shock or something?

Seeing Magic Hour with Ghost in 95 or so at the Knitting Factory is one of my top ever live shows.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 6 May 2004 00:55 (twenty years ago) link

heathen shame would've been a better 7".

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:36 (twenty years ago) link

what was the name of that awful pseudo-hippie group that the reunited Magic Hour folks pretended to be at the Seattle Terrastock, instead of, say, playing Magic Hour songs? That blew.

But I do love that first Magic Hour record, Major Stars live is good, yeah, it's all quite nice. Except for that Terrastock thing. Dud x infinity.

doug (doug), Thursday, 6 May 2004 10:57 (twenty years ago) link

Children of the Rainbow. Mu tribute.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Thursday, 6 May 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

I liked Children of the Rainbow, it was a fun one-off goof.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 May 2004 12:55 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sorry, I can't let this go. Listening to "Elephant", which is on a split with Comets on Fire, I believe and holy shite. I can see why the Damon and Naomi rhythm section is a complaint for some, since this band just goes absolutely balistic. And Wayne? Fan-fucking-tabulous.

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

Let's not forget that Wayne and Kate run like the best record store on the planet (or maybe just the East Coast).

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

Wayne's solo album,Constant Displacement(Drag City), makes me really happy. I love his Thunderclap Newman cover. It reveals a more tuneful side of the man on a few tracks, but the guitar heroics still shine brightly. Of course.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

i like "infraction" alot. sort of sounds like wayne rogers plays f/i at times.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 6 May 2004 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

If you like the Twisted Village world then the Wormdoom full-length and single are essential. Wayne is a guitar god.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 6 May 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

No Excess Is Absurd is righteous. I caught that Magic Hour/Ghost tour Dan refers to in Cleveland, and Rogers was absolutely on fire, stomping around the stage like T.Rex (the dinosaur, not Bolan & Co.) and making me think he was Hendrix reincarnated.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Friday, 7 May 2004 02:14 (twenty years ago) link

Let's not forget that Wayne and Kate run like the best record store on the planet (or maybe just the East Coast).

Twisted Village is the best record store as far as obscureness-per-stock goes, and Wayne is a really great guy to talk to in the store. The store supports itself basically through mail-order and through loyal local (meaning New England and NYC, basically) customers. Otherwise, it really tries to hide itself from the Harvard Square area in Cambridge where it is located. (I walked past it three times before I finally discovered it.)

When I was there, despite the store's wanting to obscure itself, they still get a lot of street traffic, and the one time I was there, there was a women who was complaining to Wayne about the skronky jazz music he was playing in the store... the conversation went something like this.

Woman: what is this your're playing
Wayne: it's Jazz.
Woman: no no, this can't be jazz. I don't even think this is music.
Wayne. uuuum, it's... very much jazz.
Woman: No, you see, I know jazz music.. I know Miles Davis very well. This isn't jazz.
Wayne: Actually, um, this is Miles Davis that I'm playing right now
[Wayne was not lying]

the BEST BEST Twisted Village visitor story EVAH is this, and I'm paraphrasing from what he told me after the above incident..

Apparently, a British woman walked into the store one day.. once again, a tourist, just browsing through the shops. Twisted Village has a very odd pink/kaleidoscopic color pattern inside the store enough. The music that is stocked is even odder. Can is about as "pop" as the store gets really. Anyway, she's looking around the store very confusedly. Wayne is playing some discordant rock, like some early Wingtip Sloat or something like that. Anyway, the woman goes...

Woman: "Wot.. wot... wot is this that you're playing in the speakers?".
Wayne: *pause* it's rock music
Woman: *pauses, stares at wayne* "No no, I mean, really, please... what are you playing?"
Wayne: It's a rock band, it's [early Wingtip Sloat or something similar with requisite 10 word bio of band, location, etc.]
Woman: "no no, this can't be"

She now looks more confused and more disgusted. She starts to leave and go back up the stairs. (Keep in mind that the color pattern of the store is very kaleidoscopic and VERY PINK)

15 seconds later, the woman comes running back DOWN the stairs, and from the bottom of the staircase, turns accusedly towards Wayne and hisses in a strong English accent "IS THIS HOMOSEXUAL MUSIC?" with a mean mean look on her face.

Wayne, completely frozen for about 5 seconds, responds. "Yes. Correct. This is homosexual music."

The woman then replies "AAAALL RIGHT, THEN!", and she storms out of the store.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 7 May 2004 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

Woman: what is this your're playing
Wayne: it's Jazz.
Woman: no no, this can't be jazz. I don't even think this is music.
Wayne. uuuum, it's... very much jazz.
Woman: No, you see, I know jazz music.. I know Miles Davis very well. This isn't jazz.
Wayne: Actually, um, this is Miles Davis that I'm playing right now
[Wayne was not lying]

PLEASE tell me what happened next. Did she walk away confused, did she try to deny it, what?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago) link

She basically tried to disbelieve Wayne, and I think Wayne offered to show her the case, but then she started slowly walking out of the store because she couldn't take the "non-music" I guess, and eventually left. She was not as odd as the *ahem* British woman, but she was very snobby about the whole deal.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 7 May 2004 02:48 (twenty years ago) link

yeah yeah wormdoom!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

Homosexual Music were one of the UK's finest Wingtip Sloat-esque bands of the 90's

Wandering Boy Poet, Friday, 7 May 2004 10:53 (twenty years ago) link

!

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

I only wish the Mind Disaster reissue had the green-and-purple cover like the Psycho pressing. Always loved those Bollocks-style violently-clashing-colours sleeves.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

Wayne was playing Menergy by Patrick Cowley?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 7 May 2004 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

can anyone id a song by either Wayne solo or Magic Hour that has a lyric that goes something like "we got all the time in the world / but we can't afford the (tab? tax?)..."

It's one of his relatively poppier, latter day V3-sounding tunes.

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link

That's actually Luxurious Bags from the great "Frayed Knots" lp. Twisted Village put it out though!

Cannonley Adderall (InternationalWaters), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link

That's the one! Thanks!

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link

Thanks for reminding me to dig out "Frayed Knots"!

InternationalWaters, Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:38 (five years ago) link

Woman: what is this your're playing
Wayne: it's Jazz.
Woman: no no, this can't be jazz. I don't even think this is music.
Wayne. uuuum, it's... very much jazz.
Woman: No, you see, I know jazz music.. I know Miles Davis very well. This isn't jazz.
Wayne: Actually, um, this is Miles Davis that I'm playing right now
[Wayne was not lying]

this is great

sleeve, Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link


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