When he actually gets on a stage or in a studio, he commits. But he really is one of the hardest to motivate motherfuckers in all Manhattan.
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
ha, yeah, i was just kidding. mostly. verlaine just seems like a hard guy to pin down. i've watched one of those duo shows on youtube and it was great.
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
And I feel like I get why, just from his body of lyrics. He's such a symbolist that he'd rather just sit around and dream. Actually doing things is way too explicit.
xpost to self
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
haha, yeah.
meanwhile, here's lloyd's latest missive on facebook:
Here is a link to my blog entitled Yoga, Hypnosis and Gurdjieff. I invite everyone who wishes to participate to simply add comments from which exchanges may form, as crystals form in salt water. "If thy salt is lost it's savor, what good is it - only to throw to the swine and let them trample it underfoot." So please do contribute even if you know nothing of the subjects. There is no better way to learn as to teach, and as teaching is part of my calling, I am at the ready. --Richard Lloyd.
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― tylerw, Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
classic
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
lollloh in case anyone didn't get it, this comp of hell-era Television stuff is still available: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/18962115402/television-a-season-in-hell-soooo-heres-ahell's autobio/memoir is out sometime soon...
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 January 2013 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
weirdness:
Richard LloydThis coming Monday, the 14th, the song "Guiding Light" is to be featured in the hit comedy series "How I Met Your Mother" 8 PM Eastern Time. If you are a fan of the show, or of Marquee Moon, from which the song is taken, be sure to watch and enjoy!
― tylerw, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
Hope it will be in one of How I Met's Canadian 80s teen-tween show-within-the-show eps, or do they still do those? Only times I could stand to watch.
― dow, Friday, 11 January 2013 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
The expanded Verlaine solo reissues from sev. years back feat. worthy input from Ripp, often enough.
― dow, Friday, 11 January 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
wait a second, WHAT expanded Verlaine solo reissues? If there's been anything but straight no-bonuses reissues I wanna know about it???
― the dyspeptic Hirax (Jon Lewis), Friday, 11 January 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry, don't have 'em at hand and gotta get to work, but look 'em up---I'll try to find the promo package when home again (I don't remember any revelatory bonuses though, which may be why I didn't try to review--do remember good sound, but whether better than reissues you have I dunno, haven't heard more)
― dow, Friday, 11 January 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah thx lemme know! The only ones I know of are the Collector's Choice of Flash Light and S/T (no bonuses) and back in the late 90s the Infinite Zero reiss of Dreamtime (which did have a bonus or two). The Miller's Tale 2CD had its share of rarities, of course, most significantly 3 tracks from the 'Lost Album' and the first non-defective CD version of 'Five Miles of You'.
― the dyspeptic Hirax (Jon Lewis), Friday, 11 January 2013 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
Been listening to the self-titled a lot lately. What a great record. Totally slept on, and I feel would have been better received it had been released 10 or more years later.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 February 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
Correct on all counts. I love that album so much.
― try a little crowleymass (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 14 February 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's a nice one -- weirdly i read somewhere (can't remember now) michael stipe repping for it, "rhyme" in particular.
― tylerw, Thursday, 14 February 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
o wait i found it -- http://popsongs.wordpress.com/category/ask-michael-stipe/
I’m curious what songs you’ve heard in your life that made you just drop whatever you were doing and go, “You know, why can’t I write a song like this,” or, perhaps, “Damn, I wish I had written that.”
short list: Birdland, One, Beautiful Day, Man Who Sold the World, Ashes to Ashes, Karma Police, Rhyme[by Television], and more recently l.e.s. artistes
― tylerw, Thursday, 14 February 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
someday i'm going to have to put together the 4th television album, since verlaine refuses.
― tylerw, Thursday, 14 February 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
Hope someday comes soon...
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 15 February 2013 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
The title of the record should be Verlaine Refuses.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 15 February 2013 00:39 (eleven years ago) link
there was one someone did a while ago called Call Mr. Lloyd
― tylerw, Friday, 15 February 2013 02:48 (eleven years ago) link
Been collecting 1992 tour gigs just because I can't get enough of that record
― Brakhage, Friday, 15 February 2013 04:23 (eleven years ago) link
... and I'm glad I read this whole thread because this whole time I was imagining Verlaine as the lead guitarist
― Brakhage, Friday, 15 February 2013 05:24 (eleven years ago) link
this 1993 NC show is killer: http://ow.ly/jhY2I when they were on during that first reunion tour, they were amazing.
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
Really enjoyable new review of Hell's autobio, which I gotta get---linked on this ancient, still worthy thread:richard hell takes apart poor journalist
― dow, Thursday, 21 March 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
Wow thanks tyler for the 93 show, I didn't have that one
― Brakhage, Friday, 22 March 2013 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
yesterday...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR3q6RegGHs
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
cooool. even w/o lloyd, still sounding pretty good.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
when they were on during that first reunion tour, they were amazing.
Yes. I saw them in Washington DC and they were good in a way few bands ever are. Saw them about 10 years later and they were awful.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 19 April 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i have a couple really bizarre early 00s shows where they seem to have forgotten how to play.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 April 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
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lloyd may still be living in mpls, he played some weird show here a couple years ago, had an ad on our craigslist for guitar lessons....um i'm not sure how functional he is these days
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 April 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
Who's replaced Lloyd?
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Friday, 19 April 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
Great blog by Richard Williams
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Friday, 19 April 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
i think that's jimmy rip on second guitar. he's a session guy who's collaborated with verlaine off and on. very skilled but not nearly as manic as lloyd.
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 19 April 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
yeah jimmy ripp has been verlaine's second guitarist outside of television for 30+ years now. he knows the parts.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 April 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
saw them in london in the early 00s and they were soooooo boring. broke my heart as they've always been one of my favourite bands, but they were so... tasteful. like, knopfleresque.
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Friday, 19 April 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
i have a few good 00s shows by them, seems like it all depends on whether verlaine is interested in being there, which is probably only half of the time.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 April 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
had an ad on our craigslist for guitar lessons
u should hit him up
― flopson, Friday, 19 April 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
i follow him on facebook, he's always asking for students, even via skype, i think.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 April 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
Which show Steve? QEH or ULU? Cos I saw them at ULU in maybe 04 and they killed. Finished with an incredible Psychotic Reaction.
The really weird one was the first gig in London after the reformation, at the Forum in 94 (or 93. I don't recall). Maybe 200 people there. Upstairs closed, downstairs almost completely empty. Verlaine asked for some blue light, and then the whole show was played under two blue spots and nothing else. I recall an amazing Little Johnny Jewel though.
― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Saturday, 20 April 2013 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
It was the Shepherds Bush Empire, April 2001. Seems like I just caught a bad night - wish I'd been at the Forum show you describe, though.
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Saturday, 20 April 2013 08:39 (eleven years ago) link
saw them at the tortoise-curated all tomorrow's parties, and at their later ULU show. they were great both times - but the tension between verlaine and lloyd onstage was palpable, particularly at the ATP show, like almost uncomfortably so. the ATP gig started out very well-attended but the crowd soon started to thin out - think television are just a bit too 'sophisticated guitar solos' for the indie kid purists of days. they were much sloppier at the ULU show, but seemed to be enjoying themselves a bit more, and the one new song they played (something like 'sahara'???) was excellent. a year or so later verlaine and rip played a beautiful duo show at the 100 Club on Tottenham Court Road, and i'm not sure that TV has been back since.
― Ward Fowler, Saturday, 20 April 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
new song you mention is probably this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYrTcCBM6hwverlaine's been playing it with and without television since like 1997.
― tylerw, Saturday, 20 April 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
btw looks like you can still grab this -- http://www.earcandyarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/resized/71.jpghttp://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24It was 7 years ago that I first heard Tom Verlaine say:“This here’s a newie….goes like this”
And finally a new Television album is nearing completion,albeit without Richard Lloyd, who left to persue TheRadiant Monkey and his own musical vision. So its sheerconjecture as to which of these new TV songs will have madeit into the studio along with replacement, Jimmy Rip.
Here, then, is a compilation of live performances of thosenew songs as performed in recent years. May this serve asa fitting farewell to Mr Lloyd’s involvement with the groupand an appreciation of his contribution to the evolving ofthese new songs.
These are audience recordings so sonic quality is not ideal.However,the passion is all there in the zeros & the ones…
01 I Could Sleep All Day (Washington DC 2003-03-24)02 Rise & Fall (London 2005-06-21)03 Frustration (Sao Paolo 2005-10-25)04 Flower Spasm (London 2005-06-21)05 Balloon (Washington DC 2003-03-24)06 Persia (London 2004-06-23)07 The Sea ((Hamburg 2004-06-18)
bonus tracks:08 Swells Pt 1 / Stars / Swells Pt 2 (Sao Paolo 2005-10-25)09 Stax (Hamburg 2004-06-18)10 Stockhausen Pysche Jam (London 2004-06-23)11 Bowie medley (London 2002-06-1812 Love Theme From Piranha (London 2002-06-18)13 “Hits On TV” (London 2002-06-19)
― tylerw, Saturday, 20 April 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
Jeff Tweedy's wife Sue reportedly gave him lessons with Lloyd for his birthday once.
Can I tell my fave Television story again? Yeah? OK, cool. The last time I saw them, in 1998 or something, they were at the start of "Marquee Moon" when Lloyd broke a string. So as the band played the song, as a trio, he very calmly, and very slowly, moved aside and patiently changed the string. Very. Patiently. Took his sweet time. In fact, didn't strap the guitar back on until the last few seconds of the song. It was hilarious.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 April 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
they're doing marquee moon in its entirety in australia this fallhttp://www.atpfestival.com/newsview/1304162359.php
― tylerw, Monday, 22 April 2013 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH8Iqv6LkVc&feature=player_embeddedweird! last weekend television played "i'm gonna find you" an unreleased tune from 1974. have they been listening to the old bootlegs?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
Well you know there's this blog they may have stumbled upon
― willem, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
haha, that would be terrifying.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
I'm thinking people need to talk about Adventure more often!
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
let's talk about it! Television played this one last week, which they never did back in the day:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtSsXABdBNw
― tylerw, Thursday, 25 April 2013 22:31 (eleven years ago) link