100. The Byrds - "Get To You"
― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― hmmm (hmmm), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― M Carty (mj_c), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― bham, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link
97: diamonds and gold - Tom Waits
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Super-Kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Flotsam of the Fishfolk (Flotsam of the Fishfolk), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Quality records, methinks.
― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:38 (nineteen years ago) link
our brian kisses goodbye 2 the hard stuff but writes about doing so as if he were saying goodbye to a lover.
― piscesboy, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Actually, a few of the Blur-esque farting fairground type ones Charlie talks about were pretty piss poor.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link
83. "Innocent When You Dream" - Tom Waits
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link
81: Manic Depression - Jimi Hendrix
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link
and Kanye has one, but I'm too lazy to check it right now
― dr. phil (josh langhoff), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― dr. phil (josh langhoff), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― Super-Kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link
It's three bars of 3/4 and one of 4/4 per verse, innit?
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link
71 - James Brown, "It's a Man's Man's Man's World"
― Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link
predictable enough?
― umop apisdn (umop apisdn), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― mms (mms), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyway, 56. A Minor Forest - ...But the Pants Stay On
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link
54. Eno - Back In Judy's Jungle
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rush Rhees (Rush Rhees), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave q, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link
Sea Song by Doves
― alternative ballroom, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
The Beach Boys: Disney GirlsWeezer: My Name Is JonasThe Corrs: RunawayThe Eagles: Hollywood WaltzRazorlight: Los Angeles Waltz
― jorgybear, Saturday, 11 September 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
'Waltz' by the Mekons, from The Curse Of The Mekons, is fantastic. If you don't know it, go listen to it right now. I am sure you will not regret it. Plus, Sally Timms sings it, beautifully.
― Fruitless and Pansy Free (Dr. Joseph A. Ofalt), Sunday, 12 September 2010 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Fever Ray "I'm Not Done"
― Doctor Madame Frances Experimento LLC (SNM), Sunday, 12 September 2010 08:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Tom Waits, "Another Man's Vine"
― Flergblergtennis (aog208), Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
A really good one to waltz to is Open Arms, Journey and don't forget more Eagles: Saturday Night and Pretty Maid all in a Row. There are many country waltzs. I especially like, A woman has her way by Clint Black and When Love Finds you by vince Gill. Anyone interested in ballroom dancing to mank of the pop/rock hits mentioned above check out ballroombythebay.com A ballroom dance every Wed. at 7:00 p.m. in Santa Monica. For more info you can email ballroombythe✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ Check it out! It's a lively group of friendly dancers and a dance lesson is included with the $10. admission. Tell them Rita sent you.
― rosareetie, Saturday, 22 January 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
Cass McCombs- You Saved My Life
― ridiculoud (mizzell), Saturday, 22 January 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
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― rosareetie, Saturday, 22 January 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
those diamonds are very pretty, rosareetie.
― the loneliness of the dexys midnight runner (unregistered), Saturday, 22 January 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
50 A bunch of songs bu Calexico ('Sunken Waltz')
^ love this
― busytits (rip van wanko), Saturday, 22 January 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
Drive-by Truckers - The President's Penis is Missing
― Kerm, Saturday, 22 January 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
Better late than never:Sofa by Frank Zappa. A rousing waltz.
― bravenewmalden, Monday, 16 March 2015 11:52 (eight years ago) link
<3 waltz time
apparently Jason Isbell does too bc:• Drive-By Truckers, "Outfit"• Jason Isbell, "Cover Me Up"
and also The National bc:• "Vanderlyle Crybaby Geeks"• Carin at the Liquor Store"
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 05:43 (three years ago) link
One Crowded Hour by Augie March in, I think, 6/8. Magnificent song.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 January 2020 09:22 (three years ago) link
R.E.M. - Try Not to Breathe
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Thursday, 16 January 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
^^ so good
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:55 (three years ago) link
Surprised no one mentioned “Take This Waltz” by Leonard Cohen. I also have a soft spot for Billy Joel’s “Piano Man”.
― o. nate, Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link
America by Simon and Garfunkel.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Friday, 17 January 2020 08:19 (three years ago) link
Surprised no one mentioned “Take This Waltz” by Leonard Cohen
It was mentioned, in 2005
― van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 17 January 2020 08:31 (three years ago) link
One, Two, Three and then a ROCK!!
― Mark G, Friday, 17 January 2020 12:23 (three years ago) link
No mention of the Banshees' Melt, although it is more like 6/8
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link
Magazine, The Great Beautician in the Sky, verse sections are in 3/4, chorus in 4/4
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
Isn’t the chorus of “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds “ also 4/4? Someone mentioned it up thread.
― o. nate, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
Beatles - I, Me, Mine
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 18 January 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link
Van Morrison - The Way Young Lovers Do (ok, prob 6/8 again)
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 18 January 2020 13:57 (three years ago) link
"Has he got a friend for me"
― thomasintrouble, Saturday, 18 January 2020 16:08 (three years ago) link
Donovan - "Catch the Wind". "Norwegian Wood" is probably the best but it was nominated in the second post.
"Piano Man" and "Try Not to Breathe" are in 12/8 imo.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 00:20 (three years ago) link
Ha, online sheet music seems to transcribe "Piano Man" in either 3/4 or 6/8 so. I can see how 6/8 makes sense but the drum beat doesn't support counting it in 3/4 imo.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 00:27 (three years ago) link
Thread title says waltz time. I'm using the more expansive definition of waltz time as any triple meter.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:12 (three years ago) link
At least in standard classical theory, 6/8 = (compound) duple metre; 12/8 = (compound) quadruple metre.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:38 (three years ago) link
I'm using the more expansive definition of triple meter as any meter with a waltz feel.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:43 (three years ago) link
"Try Not to Breathe" (is) in 12/8 imo.This article on the song suggests it may actually be 6/8:
The waltzing instrumental returned for the 1992 demo and recording sessions for Automatic, some of which took place at Woodstock, N.Y.’s Bearsville Sound Studios. At that point, the song was nicknamed “6/8 Sailor” for its time signature, then was marked “Passion” when the final touches were added at Bad Animals in Seattle.Read More: Michael Stipe Explores Life’s Last Moments with ‘Try Not to Breathe’: The Story Behind Every ‘Automatic for the People' Song | https://diffuser.fm/rem-try-not-to-breathe/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link
(sorry, don’t know that extra junk came along with the paragraph I pasted.)
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link
I mean isn't "Norwegian Wood" more 6/8 too? I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of pop/rock songs with a waltz feel are 6/8 rather than 3/4.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:47 (three years ago) link
Apparently the official sheet music of "Norwegian Wood" has 12/8, and "Piano Man"'s has 3/4. I rest my case!
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:54 (three years ago) link
The beat and phrasing in "Try Not to Breathe" suggest groupings of 4 to me but duple vs quadruple can get blurry with pop music.
I agree that 6/8 works with the phrasing of "Norwegian Wood", and I'm pretty sure I've actually used it as an example of 6/8 previously. I think I would still object to identifying a waltz feel in anything with an obvious backbeat.
xp
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:55 (three years ago) link
Where did you find the official sheet music?
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:58 (three years ago) link
Well, just looking at the first page of the most reputable looking sheet music that came up on the first page of Google results, with official looking copyright etc. I admit this may not be the dispositive finding.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:00 (three years ago) link
Even the 'scores' that get registered with copyright offices are often after-the-fact, sometimes sketched-out transcriptions and are not necessarily dispositive tbh. The Donovan song is actually one of the only rock-era songs I can think of that feels to be inarguably in triple metre to me, not counting songs with 3/4 passages juxtaposed with other metres (Rush - Limelight, Sonic Youth - Pipeline/Kill Time). "Get to You" is mostly 5/4, surely, except for the bridge.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link
"Cloudbusting" another example of a song that moves between 4 and 3.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:09 (three years ago) link
I just noticed that the Byrds song I nominated in the first post all those years ago is actually 5/4 much of the time, only moving to 3/4 in certain sections. LOL. (Arguably making it *more* noteworthy, but not so great as an opening post re 3/4.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:17 (three years ago) link
Haha XP!!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:20 (three years ago) link
xxxp I get you on the fuzziness of sheet music in this context. The canonical text for rock/pop is the recording, and different people can interpret it differently. Heck probably even different musicians who played on it interpreted it differently (such as the drummer vs the singer or guitarist).
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:32 (three years ago) link
yeah most triple meter rock songs are in 6/8 (or use a shuffle beat in 12/8 a la everybody wants to rule the world or never tear us apart). 3/4 time is less driving, it can feel a little stilted in a rock context. 6/8 swings, sounds great in power ballads (we are the champions, nothing else matters)
― culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link
actually never tear us apart is def 6/8 isn't it?
― culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:28 (three years ago) link
I'd definitely say 12/8. The chords change once every twelve eighth notes (four beats), the melodic phrases are built around the 12 (or 4) groupings, the guitar plays at the beginning of each grouping of 12 when it enters.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:44 (three years ago) link
When there is a standard rock backbeat that would be analysed as 4/4 at any other time, it generally seems most logical/natural to me to continue counting it as quadruple metre even if it is subdivided into triplets, so I tend to default to 12/8 in these situations unless there is a really compelling reason to count 6/8.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:49 (three years ago) link
Neil Young's "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" feels like an actual triple metre to me: the drums are actually playing groups of 3, the chords change once every three beats. Agree with "Manic Depression" upthread as well.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:59 (three years ago) link
The canonical text for rock/pop is the recording, and different people can interpret it differently. Heck probably even different musicians who played on it interpreted it differently (such as the drummer vs the singer or guitarist).
(I agree with this 100%, to be clear. Obv there are wrong interpretations but there can definitely be multiple credible interpretations.)
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 05:02 (three years ago) link
"Cloudbusting" moves between 4/4 and 6/4, sorry. Remembered wrong.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 05:12 (three years ago) link