...And Justice for Jason

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I'm hesitant to even mention it since Larz's flying monkeys will swoop down to take my computer, but has anyone had the opportunity to listen to ...And Justice For Jason? Some bass player with time on his hands (and no, that isn't a redundant phrase) took the liberty of laying down the bass to the infamous tinny-sounding Metallica album.

I'm a grown man now, not fifteen-years old like I was when I first turned my nose up to this record. But I would really like to hear this record, shy of me sitting down some weekend and doing this.

Has anyone heard this, and is it worth an old Metallica fan hunting it down?

/still prefer Cliff anyway.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 30 April 2004 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't know if this is the same thing, but there are some mp3's available for downloading at jasonizer.com.

tod (tod), Saturday, 1 May 2004 07:22 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

i wana hear this

chaki, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 00:24 (twelve years ago) link

Just a gimmick, not worth the time.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 00:27 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, what you really want is like six subwoofers and a good graphic EQ, then you can kind of feel the ghost of a bass guitar maybe.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 03:38 (twelve years ago) link

what's the big deal, i don't hear much bass in any mid-late 80s metal/thrash anyway

winston, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 03:00 (twelve years ago) link

I guess the good thing is that on this project, we'll get to finally realize that all Jason Newsted was doing was doubling the guitar and that his bass playing was FUCKING BORING...

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 03:01 (twelve years ago) link

if/when this gets remastered, it's probably going to sound all numetal.. but from what i understand it's not a mastering issue but the recording itself.

otm bjo

winston, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 03:02 (twelve years ago) link

i never thought to myself "boy, this needs more bass" when listening to "and justice for all".

pipecock, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 03:05 (twelve years ago) link

yea, I mostly thought "why is the title track almost ten minutes long when all it is is the same verse and chorus over and over again"

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 03:06 (twelve years ago) link


BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 04:25 (twelve years ago) link

ahahaha bo jackson, two classic comments in the one short thread. well done you

i've always thought to myself "why is this record so stiff sounding?", but that's more to do with song structures than actual recording/mastering processes. i still quite like 'justice' though. some classic stuff there

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 05:29 (twelve years ago) link

eleven years pass...

remaster = not that much better sounding? feel like I was more easily able to hear the improvement on the KEA/RTL remasters.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 20:03 (one year ago) link

Justice is what it is. You either love it or hate it. I love it, and listening to the "Work In Progress Rough Mix" tracks, which have more bass than the final versions, proves that as BJO said upthread more than a decade ago, "all Jason Newsted was doing was doubling the guitar and that his bass playing was FUCKING BORING..."

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 20:31 (one year ago) link

I still love it, even tho I feel it's a cut below the two previous. I wish there was more thrash in this vein (Artillery sometimes scratches similar itches)

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 21:43 (one year ago) link

The only comparable sounding record I've found so far is Cowboys From Hell, you gotta ignore the shitty vocals tho.

I rate Justice at least equal to MOP and RTL fwiw.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 21:55 (one year ago) link

During that long YouTube interview the band did with Fricke, Hetfield admits he tried to get Newsted to mix it up with his basslines, to play around the rhythm guitar, but he would have none of it. He was an excellent bassist for Metallica, but his approach, on Justice especially, was more workmanlike than artistic.

A. Begrand, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 01:58 (one year ago) link

i did see a video where someone rewrote the basslines to the album in the style of cliff burton, that was more interesting than jason's actual basslines

dub pilates (rushomancy), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 02:53 (one year ago) link

I think the record is brilliant, it's a weird sound and vibe, very mechanical and cold but it works, I don't think trying to Monday morning quarterback the mix is going to make it better

Basically unperson otm it is what it is

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 03:09 (one year ago) link

Kinda why i never listened to the mixes *wif bass*

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 04:53 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

what the fuck is this


I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:52 (two weeks ago) link

I heard that on Spotify the other day and thought, oh it's Hotel Caliilayla '94 all over again.

But I didn't realize they recorded it on a Zoom call!

pplains, Thursday, 21 May 2020 02:29 (two weeks ago) link

They definitely didn't record it on a zoom call

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 21 May 2020 04:05 (two weeks ago) link

It was hyperbole.

pplains, Thursday, 21 May 2020 04:06 (two weeks ago) link

it kinda reminds me of the acoustic version Lenny Kravitz did of "Are You Gonna Go My Way?", but if instead of coming up with a good arrangement for it, Lenny stayed up all night playing video games instead

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:41 (one week ago) link

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