How many Lee Ranaldo records is too many?

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I've got Amarillo Ramp (For Robert Smithson) {gets a B+) and Broken Circle [EP] (gets a C+). Am I missing out by not buying more?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Amarillo Ramp is by far my favorite. I have at least 6 others (counting live ones w/ William Hooker, my favorite of those being Envisioning), but I haven't listened to any in a while.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

maybe when I get home I'll take at a look at the lot of them and rate them individually or something.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

From Here -> Infinity trumps all, as far as I'm concerned.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have the Lock Groove one on SST...I hate it. But I never had the heart to get rid of it.

I've heard Amarillo Ramp when it came out, and it sounded really good at the time.


His Sonic Youth songs are always pretty great.

ddb, Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oh man ddb your noise cred is shot.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The only one I've got is East Jesus. It manages to compile a wide enough variety of things that I don't ever feel tempted into buying more. There was a time, though, when I eagerly snapped up almost any sonic youth side project I could find.

I want Thurstin' to record something with Corsano & Flaherty, though. FREE JAZZ IS THE NEW PUNK DUDES.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Check out "Scriptures Of The Golden Eternity," "From Here > Infinity," and various improv stuff with others. I'm really digging "Fuck Shit Up" featuring Lee alongside Christain Marclay and Thurston Moore at the moment.

Stewart Gardiner (Stewart Gardiner), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what I like about Amarillo Ramp is it sums up pretty much everything you're bound to find on a Lee record in 5 tracks. you get a long drone-y peace, a jam with Thurston, a spoken word piece, a (GORGEOUS) solo acoustic song, and a nice cover.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

keep lee away from that faggot beat poetry shit.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oh man ddb your noise cred is shot.


I know. I blame the girlfriend.


I hate the lockgrooves...maybe it's better on CD???

well, is it?

ddb, Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, I had it on CD. you can just toke up and let it play, don't have to get up.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And Loren MazzaCane Connors / Moore / Ranaldo - "Mmmr"

Stewart Gardiner (Stewart Gardiner), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ok, so...noise cred is cool...Lock-Groove cred, hmmmm, not-so-good.

ddb, Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have 2 of Lee's books of poetry! maybe 3! I'm not sure why I ever really cared for that stuff, though. I had a really extreme SY phase in my early teens.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

HEY AL YOU USED TO BE POST ON ALT.MUSIC.SONIC-YOUTH.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"A pipe of kif and Lee Renaldo's From Here > Infinity on CD before breakfast gives a man the strength of a hundred camels in the courtyard."

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

that MMMR record is ok. the first track w/out Lee and Thurston is by far the best.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hey Ian! yes I did! wow, blast from the past.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I always thought your name looked familiar.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

When I interviewed Lee at ATP this year he talked about some new stuff he has been doing aside from SY:

"I had two CD's that came out in the last couple of months. One was this trio with William Hooker and Roger Miller on Atavistic, and another one that's just a duo of me and this young electronics kid from Toronto: we did a duo set up there. Stuff like that comes out when you have a live recording that sounds really good. And there's more stuff like that about to hit. I've got this other group that I play with called Text Of Light, an improvising quintet that we
play with old experimental avant-garde films. And it's Alan Licht, another guitar player from New York, and DJ Olive, or this other DJ, Christian, and either Hooker, or this other drummer Jim Bond. It's like a five piece, and the saxophone. We're having a CD that's coming out in May, and a couple of vinyl releases about to come out."

Stewart Gardiner (Stewart Gardiner), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

another good one w/ Wm Hooker is 'Bouquet' with Christian Marclay, which I reviewed during my brief tenure at Pitchfork.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Obviously, From Here > Infinity (vinyl version) is BY DEFINITION the only one you need, since it'll play forever if you let it.

Chuck Eddy was OTM 'way back when he opined that you'll never listen to it, but it's fun to look at. (Only reason I still have mine!)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks all. I'll go for "From Here -> Infinity," I think. For now, anyway.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I know. I blame the girlfriend


This is exactly why I no longer enjoy noise-the waves of condecension are so thick 'tis not even funny.

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

does this have anything to do with the "hottest babes in noise" thread?

kekekeke.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what was the one on Starlight Desperation Furniture or whatever it was called? an ep? I liked that one, and also another ep I had, what was that one?

least usefull post ever. I'll look them up when I'm home, I've always been a big fan of Lee's and have enjoyed his solo stuff and am suprised to see no mention of Scriptures of the something or other.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

xpost no but my point (whatever that was) has been proven....now!

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

while on the subject: "genetic" is one of his best songs, and should have been on Dirty.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 29 April 2004 19:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i love lee's sonic youth tracks (prolly my favourite song-writer in the grouo), but i haven't played from here > infinity for more than a couple minutes since finding it late last year..

chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Donna ddb and I are friends in real life and were like joking, y'know.

totally agree on "Genetic," btw.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

d'oh :)

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

A solo record of songs was completed this summer and slated for realease early in 2012, with band contributions from Steve Shelley, Nels Cline, John Medeski, Alan Licht and Bob Bert.

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:16 (six years ago) Permalink

Awww, Bob Bert. Where did this come from? Cool news, regardless.

grandavis, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:24 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lee-Ranaldo-Official/158711314207687

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:24 (six years ago) Permalink

so fucking pumped for that

some dude, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:26 (six years ago) Permalink

Man, why wait? Would listen to that right now. Really excited, though not sure what to expect. It does say "solo record of songs", but don't want to get my hopes up too much.

grandavis, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:29 (six years ago) Permalink

i think in general the word on this record has been that it's going to be much more of a singer/songwriter deal than his previous solo joints. if people want to take a few months to set up a record they put a lot of work into i have no problem with that.

some dude, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:32 (six years ago) Permalink

i'm seeing this thread title as a topic on maury

goole, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:33 (six years ago) Permalink

xpost: I get it, was kinda kidding cause I feel like this kind of record has been talked about (and anticipated) for a long time. Am cool with Lee making it as great as possible, if that is indeed what he is doing. Will actually buy it no matter what at this point, just to support Lee for all the joy he has brought me over the years.

grandavis, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:37 (six years ago) Permalink

Nels Cline being on it is some serious icing on the cake for me

some dude, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:41 (six years ago) Permalink

Seriously.

grandavis, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:43 (six years ago) Permalink

Could have thought of a better word than seriously, but shit yeah, fuckin A

grandavis, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:44 (six years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

summery

quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Saturday, 14 January 2012 02:31 (five years ago) Permalink

keep lee away from that faggot beat poetry shit.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:33 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

scott seward, Saturday, 14 January 2012 02:41 (five years ago) Permalink

:(

i bet i'd like this lee record? i always liked his sy songs. sy were my fave band in high school.

one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 14 January 2012 02:57 (five years ago) Permalink

would def like to see lee play in hoboken with Rhyton, cuz rhyton are a good band.

one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 14 January 2012 02:59 (five years ago) Permalink

hey, if it makes you feel any better, i don't think i've ever heard a lee ranaldo solo album.

scott seward, Saturday, 14 January 2012 03:02 (five years ago) Permalink

i got a LOT of stuff to listen to...

scott seward, Saturday, 14 January 2012 03:03 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm kind of in a record rut right now. not excited by stuff as much. enjoyed listening to 45s for a while tonight tho.

i'll hear the new lee record because [CONTROVERSIAL MODERATOR EDIT] but i'm not expecting it to become a favorite record of mine or anything. idk. maybe i'll be surprised. liked but did not love thurston's latest lp.

one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 14 January 2012 03:16 (five years ago) Permalink

I mean, calling Ranaldo out for using a trick like supplying menacing guitar underneath a pretty finger-picked acoustic is also trying a little too hard, as again: didn't SY establish a whole range of variations on this idea? Why not just criticize him for making a guitar record?

grandavis, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:26 (five years ago) Permalink

I really like Grayson Currin's writing in general and find him to be quite thoughtful in general but this review is embarrassing. I'm not even enamored of the record, but this just misses the point so much. The Lee band, minus Steve, played the whole thing at Other Music in NY last night and it was mostly great, despite it being only their fourth or fifth show together. Lee and Alan's guitar interplay live is terrific to watch. Two songs I don't like on the album didn't open up for me live, though: "Fire Island (Phases)" and "Stranded." I think it's a lyrics things but they also felt musically clunky live. V. good album overall though and will make a point to revisit it throughout the year.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:43 (five years ago) Permalink

"in general"

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:44 (five years ago) Permalink

You know what, hearing the live version of "Lost" on that WFMU broadcast has totally won me over. Lee playing with a fluid, accomplished player like Licht totally changes the dynamic (not that I would trade it for prime SY mind you), there are some great exchanges going on. I am excited to see this band now, with a few more weeks of playing under their belts they could be pretty fucking great.

grandavis, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 17:48 (five years ago) Permalink

most of the the other reviews aren't so postive too..

http://www.metacritic.com/music/between-the-times-and-the-tides/critic-reviews

nostormo, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:20 (five years ago) Permalink

Don't really look at Metacritic, but took a peak now. Seems that 10 out of 12 reviews are "positive", giving it a score of 75 or something. Which doesn't mean anything other than that this batch of reviews generally state that it is a decent to good record (or something like that).

Out of curiosity, I looked at the Observer review, which was the other negative review. It was one paragraph long, most of which made no strong statements whatsoever (and seemed pretty positive actually), then the last sentence states that the record is sonically interesting but the lyrics not so much. All of which somehow added up to 2 out of 5 stars. Worthless review.

grandavis, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:42 (five years ago) Permalink

the gently major-label "Wish Fulfillment"

da croupier, Thursday, 22 March 2012 04:34 (five years ago) Permalink

finally sitting down to listen to this now, sounds good so far. is it the same personnel for the whole album or are there liner notes online somewhere that say who plays on what?

internet somebody (some dude), Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:58 (five years ago) Permalink

It is not the same personnel other than that I think Steve, Alan, and Lee are on every track. The bassist Irwin Menken plays on most of the songs, but apparently Jim O'Rourke plays bass on a song. Any keyboards are Medeski, so he is easy to pick out, and Nels Cline plays pedal steel (or lap?) and then some straight guitar, which is also pretty easy to pick out. Apparently Bob Bert is on there too. Obviously I did not look at a track-by-track list of who plays on what, and I am not sure that that is available yet, but the record is out now, so maybe Matador has it listed?

grandavis, Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:19 (five years ago) Permalink

i was a bit disappointed with this record on first listen. will have to try again. :( i had hoped to be bowled over by it.

one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:37 (five years ago) Permalink

I was expecting to be disappointed, I really wasn't moved by the first couple of songs that circulated (those live clips from the first show), so lowered expectations may have helped. It does make me wish he had done this in the 80s and 90s too though, as it has kinda convinced me that he may have pulled off some great shit without the SY modus operandi hanging over his songs. It makes me think that he may have a better record of this type in him as well, I hope he makes another.

grandavis, Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:49 (five years ago) Permalink

What I like about this record is that it avoids the predictable guitar clashes of his work with Sonic Youth. I agree with the complaints about the lyrics, but other than that it's a very fine arranged and enjoyable record. The PF review is one of their worst. Today's review of the new O'Rourke/Ambarch/Heino cd is an example of how it should be: about the music.

EvR, Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:49 (five years ago) Permalink

but the record is out now, so maybe Matador has it listed?

Picked up a physical copy yesterday, but unfortunately there is no track-by-track breakdown which is pretty annoying, imo, for a record with a varied cast like this

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:18 (five years ago) Permalink

And yet there's Lee in the Brian Turner interview portion from his WFMU session Tuesday having rhapsodies about how nice it was back in the old days of the album as this magical unit of music-delivery, when you could sit down and read liner notes and look over personnel info and groove on cover art etc...lol.

any major prude will tell you (WmC), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:24 (five years ago) Permalink

haha

internet somebody (some dude), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's too bad, but I do think you can pick out exactly who is playing what on each song, you just have to listen to them to figure it out. Seems like an odd thing to leave out of the liners though.

grandavis, Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:44 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah as a Nels Cline stan i had a similar frustration with an Eleni Mandell album he played on where the liners were not very specific as to what he played on but there were of course some tracks where it was obviously him

internet somebody (some dude), Thursday, 22 March 2012 20:48 (five years ago) Permalink

I like this better than the Thurston joint from last year!

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:12 (five years ago) Permalink

^^^ me too.

Really loving this album.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:46 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah this is better than it has any right to be - pretty much confirms my feeling that I mainly stuck with SY for the Lee songs

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 07:39 (five years ago) Permalink

I read a couple of the negative reviews while listening to the first couple of tracks, and nearly bailed. I'm glad I didn't. This is a good album!

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 09:40 (five years ago) Permalink

BBC review by Spencer Grady: http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/6z5c

EvR, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 10:09 (five years ago) Permalink

i Just. Don't. Get. people who can't write about this record without slighting SY's other work, etc, but i guess i'm pretty avowedly an SY fanboy by this point. this new lee album is thoroughly excellent, some of his best works, as was thurston's demolished thoughts, as was murray street, etc etc

Nascar Pony (stevie), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 10:28 (five years ago) Permalink

i preferred the thurston album. at least it had tunes whereas this is noodling along. thurston did evolve whereas lee just does not change at all. does the world really need this kind of stuff in the 2010s?

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:50 (five years ago) Permalink

what kind of stuff does the world really need? other than love, sweet love.

tylerw, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 17:02 (five years ago) Permalink

I liked new Thurston and Lee both, though they're very different albums. Not the BEST by either, though.

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 29 March 2012 02:37 (five years ago) Permalink

i think maybe if Lee had given the Shelley/Cline/Licht ensemble a band name to credit the album under it would've gone down better as a Wild Flag-type supergroup thing

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 18:14 (five years ago) Permalink

Lee Ranaldo & The Angels of Licht

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 18:15 (five years ago) Permalink

haha

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 18:18 (five years ago) Permalink

just saw this: http://pitchfork.com/features/5-10-15-20/8797-lee-ranaldo/

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 18:54 (five years ago) Permalink

fun article but i wish he'd been a little more personal and idiosyncratic with his selections, obviously Nevermind and Daydream Nation have personal significance for him but i dunno

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 18:58 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah not terribly surprising stuff in there. liked the anecdote about playing marquee moon in the lecture hall.

tylerw, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Boring list, thought he'd stick a few more interesting albums for the 'guitarist' in there

Master of Treacle, Friday, 30 March 2012 23:03 (five years ago) Permalink

And Pavement as favourite band of the 90s, jesus

Master of Treacle, Friday, 30 March 2012 23:04 (five years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

the coda part of 'Fire Island' is lovely, wish it was the whole song

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:38 (five years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

nice piece by Lee on the Dead, mentions a new alb:

http://thetalkhouse.com/features/view/lee-ranaldo-the-grateful-deads-long-lost-concert-documentary-sunshine-daydr#.UkCl8cWAD74.twitter

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 24 September 2013 07:08 (four years ago) Permalink

Lee finally accepted my FB friend request last month! Thanks, Lee!

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 3 October 2013 16:23 (four years ago) Permalink

really digging Last Night On Earth, only halfway in and am already pretty sure it's an improvement on Between The Tides.

some dude, Thursday, 10 October 2013 22:01 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Lee performing on Conan tonight!

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 04:11 (three years ago) Permalink

i loled at this:

Mike Wolf ‏@thismikewolf 9h
Some might call it Alan Licht's nat'l-TV debut. MT @matadorrecords Lee Ranaldo & The Dust are on tonight's "Conan" (TBS) @leeranaldo

call all destroyer, Friday, 13 December 2013 04:15 (three years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

doing a live set on WFMU in about 10 minutes:

http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/BT

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Nice! His solo records are so underappreciated

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 02:29 (three years ago) Permalink

playing sometime soon at the bell house with steve gunn & somebody else? might have a guest spot if you'd wanna go morbz.

ian, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 03:04 (three years ago) Permalink

Ian, pretty sure that Nathan Bowles is drumming for the Steve Gunn band on this tour, and maybe is opening the shows solo as well? Something like that.

grandavis, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:25 (three years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

New album on Mute tomorrow: Electric Trim.
Interesting roster: Shelley, Sharon van Etten, Alan Licht, Nels Cline, Tim Luntzel, Kid Millions. Lyrics co-written by Jonathan Lethem on six songs.

two tracks:
Circular (Right As Rain) (love this)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNK7N5L6jCk

New Thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2HWSUaqPd4

Trailer for a documentary on the making of the album (more info here: http://montclairfilm.org/events/the-thrill-of-the-creative-process-in-hello-hello-hello/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNK7N5L6jCk

willem, Thursday, 14 September 2017 12:39 (two months ago) Permalink

oh crap, here's Circular (Right As Rain):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2XRnzj-YmE

willem, Thursday, 14 September 2017 12:41 (two months ago) Permalink

the album is wonderful. his best solo yet.

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2017 09:21 (two months ago) Permalink

Listened once on Spotify. Some really surprising moments. I'm not sure what I think of the spoken bits but the melodic songs are hitting the spot, for the most part. Ranaldo, Cline, and Licht all playing on a Beatlesque pop record seems like a good idea!

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 16 September 2017 04:57 (two months ago) Permalink

"last looks"!

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:08 (two months ago) Permalink


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