Dub / Reggae: An Idiot's Guide

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I need help.

The Sly & Robbie mix of "Fu-Gee-La" is amazing. Lee Perry gets ridiculous amounts of praise heaped on his immaculately stone shoulders. Yet, the only Jamaican music I know well is (duh) Bob Marley, and I had enough of that to last me through two collegiate tours of duty AND another high-school go around. So, where should I go? What should I do?

And is it fair to smack reggae & dub together like I did in the Subject Line? Or are they two tastes that just happened to taste great together?

Like I said, I need help.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

buy the following:

lee perry - arkology

the congos - heart of the congos

augustus pablo - king tubby meets rockers uptown

king tubby - dub gone crazy, foundation of dub

big youth - natty universal dread

junior murvin - police and theives

jimmy cliff - the harder they come

bunny wailer - black heart man

burning spear - marcus garvey/garvey's ghost

v/a - tougher than tough: the story of jamaican music

v/a - the 100% (200%, etc.) dynamite series

dub is a process. reggae is a music. (dub reggae = process music?) at least that's my take.

jess, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'd add some Linton Kwesi Johnson -- Dread Beat an' Blood, LKJ in Dub or the Independant Intavenshan anthology. Also some of the cheapo Trojan box sets. Um... drawing blank...

Andy, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Also: Keith Hudson - Pick A Dub. Awesome lp.

RW, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

But for a starting point (without spending hundreds of dollars on the above, all of which are good), you really can't go too far wrong with _Tougher Than Tough_, a kick-ass 4-CD survey that goes from proto-ska all the way up to dancehall and will at least give you some idea of what artists/styles/periods you'll want to explore more.

Beyond that, a personal semi-obscuro favorite of mine is Junior Byles' retrospective _Curlylocks_, on Heartbeat.

Douglas Wolk, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

SEARCH along w/Jess's picks
Culture, Two Sevens Clash--my favorite reggae album proper, one of the best albums of all time, period; International Herb is also spectacular
Profile did a series of four Dancehall Stylee: Best of Reggae Dancehall comps that you can generally find used as a box set; the killers there are the first and fourth
Lee Perry, The Upsetter Collection, Some of the Best, Open the Gate--killer comps, all of which trash Arkology in form and concept and as music
Linton Kwesi Johnson, Indapendant Intavenshan and Tings an' Times--forward over the dub tracks, which really are distracting, and the former is his first three albums; the latter is from '91 and is endlessly playable
Buju Banton, 'Til Shiloh
Dub Chill Out--naff title but mighty good nevertheless; track 11, King Tubby's "Dark Destroyer Dub," is a moment of Zen perfection scored by guitar, bass, drums, organ
The Rough Guide to the Music of Jamaica and The Rough Guide to Reggae--nowhere near as essential as the Tougher Than Tough box, but pretty good overviews nevertheless, especially if you avoid the last couple tracks on each
Intensified! and More Intensified!--definitive mid-60s ska comps
Toots & the Maytals, Time Tough: The Anthology--Jamaica's greatest-ever singer on two solid CDs
The Power of the Trinity--superb comp of Jamaican harmony-trio groups
Augustus Pablo, Original Rockers--the wildest dub album ever; many of the same basic tracks as on King Tubby's Meets Rockers Uptown (my favorite Jamaican album of all time), but given even more disorienting treatments

And finally: a few months back I put together tracklists for Even Tougher Than Tough: Jamaican Classics 1962-95, my own self-styled sequel to the Island box mentioned above. (Tracklists are available here.) If anyone's got suggestions for improvement, let's have 'em.

M. Matos, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

jess's list is all essential, dead-on correct. From that list, I'd start with The Harder They Come soundtrack or Tougher Than Tough if you can afford it. For some earlier rocksteady stuff, pick up a "Best of Desmond Dekker" or one of the Trojan or Tresure Isle comps.

fritz, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know about dub being just a process anymore. It has gone beyond being a verb. Sure, King Tubby's dubs were versions of original songs and "dubbing it up" could be words used to describe his process--the process of remixing, dropping out vocals, adding the trademark echoy delay, but with stuff like Twilight Circus, I'd say that "dub" becomes a type of music.

However, this being said, I think that you could say that everyone who likes dub likes reggae, and everyone who likes reggae would probably like dub, if they knew what it was.

Want some good stuff?

I agree with everything that has been said, but I'd also recommend:

If Deejay was your trade - Various (Blood and Fire) Mad Professor vs. Massive Attack - No Protection Horace Andy - In the Light and In the Light Dub Prince Alla - Only Love Can Conquer Sizzla - Reggae Max

Some of my favourites, not not exactly a comprehensive selection.

Pick up the Rough Guide 100 Essential Reggae CDS. It makes for great reading and is a lovely conversation starter.

cybele, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

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Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

The Pressure Sounds comps are great too. I'd reccommend "Riding The Roots Chariot" and "Sounds and Pressure: Vol 1 to start.

fritz, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Whatever happened to Dubstar?

dave q, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Also search: King Tubby's collaborations with Harry Mudie. Great Tubby dub sound meets Mudie's funked out breaks. Check it: "King Tubby meets Harry Mudie's in dub Conference vol 1-3".

turner, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I heard a very nice set of dancehall on the in-flight system coming back from Jamaica a few years ago, surprisingly enough, and wanted to buy some good samplers. What would people recommend in this area?

nickn, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I've always wondered where Dubstar got the name...I'm mean, I like them and all, but Dubstar??

cybele, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I do have the Rhino dancehall comp, and it has good moments but didn't really grab me the way the in-flight set did.

nickn, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

This thread has been very strong so far on the late seventies (and bits later), though I'm surprised no-one's mentioned "Best Dressed Chicken In Town" yet.

There's lots of great earlier reggae too: I'm particularly fond of Clancy Eccles's productions, Amalgamated-era Joe Gibbs, a lot of Bunny Lee stuff and Winston 'Niney' Holness, probably the heaviest of the early reggae fellows.

A step back a little further to rocksteady can't do any harm, either: the golden age of Treasure Isle.

The other thing I think should be mentioned in this thread is Studio 1. The greatest body of work in Jamaican music bar none. You can never go wrong with the series of "Best of Studio 1" compilations which Heartbeat put out which span early reggae to roots stuff. LPs? I's start with "Bob Andy's Songbook", Cedric 'IM' Brooks's "Flash Forward", "The Wailing Souls" and "Bobby Bobylon" by Freddie Macgregor. But there's loads more to be found.

My other *real* thing at the moment is 70s Gregory Isaacs. More Gregory. Gregory, Horace Andy and Junior Byles are three of my top 10 voices ever.

Tim, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

anyone want any reggae mixtapes? primarily RockSteady, Reggae, Roots, and Dub, but also some Ska and early 80s Dancehall. i have a lot of vinyl only stuff, e.g. loads of 7" represses, which doesn't often turn up on the CD comps.

'Reggae' as a specific style refers to stuff around 68-72 i guess, but is more commonly used to refer to all JA music

Books:
Lloyd Bradley - Bass Culture
Norman K Stoltzkoff (sp?) - Wake the Town and Tell the People [on dancehall]
David Katz - People Funny Boy [on Lee Scratch Perry]
Guy Kennaway - One People [fiction]

other good stuff/people:
Max Romeo - Revelation Time LP (reissued with bonus tracks as 'Open the Iron Gate')
Prince Far I
Gregory Isaacs - Night Nurse LP (essential!)
Sizzla - Bobo Ashanti

my brane is dead though at the moment - will think of more later

m jemmeson, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Ah! Forgot to add Prince Far-I... "Under Heavy Manners" was the first reggae LP I ever truly loved.

The first version I had of that LP (which was a taped version of a Jamaican pressing on Joe Gibbs with the primarily yellow sleeve and a colour version of the photo) had a little reprise / dub of the last track on the second side. Just about 45 seconds of wild dubbing on "Under Heavy Manners". I've heard vinyl and CD reissues on Gibbs and never found another version with that little coda, and it upsets me a little. Anyone have any versions which do have the little end bit? (BTW, it's not the same as the various dub versions I have of the rhythm).

mj, do you have "Prophecy Reveal" by Bo Jangles? I know it was re- pressed a while back but I've never found it. Is it on the "Money In My Pocket" rhythm?

Tim, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

almost forgot: VP put out two vols. of Dancehall 101 last year; both are superb

M. Matos, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Just because someone mentioned books...

I work for a publishing company and we will be reissuing Beth Lesser's "King Jammy" - it is the definitive book on 80s dancehall. Beth is also a photographer--her work has appeared in the Rough Guide, among other publications.

Just for interest sake, is anyone on this thread (or any dub/reggae fans) intrigued?

cybele, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

There are a few dancehall recommendations (most of which I still haven't followed up unfortunately) on this thread.

Ian, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

count me in as intrigued - anything we can see on the web yet?

fritz, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Film recommendations: The Harder They Come, Rockers, Heartland Reggae, Countryman & Dancehall Queen.

fritz, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Prince Far I! Any of the 'Cry Tuff Dub Encounter' albs are wicked. Plus U Roy's 'Dread In A Babylon' is full of great songs and has the dubbingest front cover photo of all time!

Andrew L, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

A few more roots classics: The Wailing Souls 'Wild Suspense', The Abyssinians 'Satta Massa Gana', Hugh Mundell 'Africa Must Be Free By 1983' + Dub version, The Gladiators 'TrenchTown Mix Up', Mighty Diamonds 'Go Seek Your Rights'. Also some Dennis Brown is essential - the recent Trojan anthology is a good place to start.

Bim Sherman's 'Miracle', while not exactly Reggae, is still utterly wonderful.

Johnathan, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Lee Scratch Perry--Blackboard Jungle Dub

The first dub album? I forget, but one of them. One of the craziest too. Mad loping grooves, everything and the kitchen sink samples before there were samples.

Lee Scratch Perry--Super Ape

Primo mid-70s Scratch. Smooth, rootsical, deep, hypnotic...

Ben Williams, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

It's inconceivable to imagine someone hearing Prince Far I's "Cry Tuff Dub Encounter Chapter 3" and not absolutely freaking out over dub, hard.

Andy, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

The Blood& Fire Sampler series is also a very good starting point for the novice. The second one is particularly good. A word of warning however: a glut of sub standard toss has ben reissued in the last few years and the reggae shelves in Tower records are so stuffed now that it's become difficult to differentiate between the good and crap. Any B&F stuff with Steve Barrow sleevenotes is usually a safe bet. Those mini Trojan box sets will also get you off the blocks into the right direction.

David Gunnip, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Add Scientist 'Meets Space Invaders'. Forget Heart of the Congo's, overrated.

Omar, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

My favourite Scientist LP is "Dub Landing", really very fine. Impossible to find, of course (in fact, even my copied copy is impossible to find since it's on a long term lend to a sometime contributor here). Why doesn't someone reissue that, eh?

Tim, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Omar is sooo wrong over Heart of the Congos... mind you, unless you like shrill falsetto vocals it might not be a wise choice.

m jemmeson, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Are there any labels to avoid - I'd heard the reggae CD market was flooded with shoddy product.

Dr. C, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

hmmm - JA vinyl is notoriously poor quality, e.g. reground stuff, with badly photocopied sleeves. if you're buying 7"s try and listen to them first, because the mastering can be dreadful besides all the pops etc

there's also loads of dodgy Lee Perry and King Tubby stuff - i.e. CDs put out claiming to be produced by them, or, when they're not lying, they're doing it illegally, and not paying the copyright owner. if you stick to Blood and Fire, Pressure Sounds, On-U, Trojan etc at first you should avoid the real stinkers, although all these labels have been guilty of barrel-scraping with certain releases.

m jemmeson, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

In answer to your original question, can we put reggae and dub together, sure we can, they are utterly, inextricably linked and it's often hard to draw a line between them. If you want to learn more about the origins of reggae and dub, read Bass Culture by Lloyd Bradley. If I were to pick one album to set you on your way I'd the Studio One Rockers compil on SOULJAZZ. It's got a bit of everything and doesn't contain a weak track.

Daniel, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Addendum: Lee Perry is playing in New Haven this evening (with the Mad Professor). Should I go?

David Raposa, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

hmmmm... Mad Professor is ok live, Lee Perry variable - he can be absolutely terrible. Reggae and dub aren't really 'live' musics, they're better on record or via DJ, IMO.

m jemmeson, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

That is the push I needed to save myself $25. Much obliged.

David Raposa, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

spend the money on reggae records - you won't regret it. live concerts are a nice way to see your heroes, but for a music which is all about skilful production and beautiful voices, live music venues don't really cut it. i think selective CD purchasing is more likely to turn someone on to reggae than a concert

m jemmeson, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Then again, sometimes Mad Professor can be killer.

cybele, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Nope. Mind made up. There's also the risk that my brand new company car could have an illicit rendevous with a cement brick. I like M's idea better - save the money, buy some discs, and acquaint myself with the music that way. I wouldn't mind going, but for TWENTY FIVE bucks?

David Raposa, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

we've talked about this before, david i'm sure. NO show is worth $25 bucks. not even miles davis' corpse in a daishiki.

jess, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Bullshit. I saw Lee Perry a few years ago with Mad Professor. He played for four hours, smoking giant spliffs that would have felled a lesser man in seconds the whole time. You have to see him just to see him prance around. (Great nude photo in Vanity Fair this month).

Ben Williams, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Also, dub IS a live music. You can't get the true physical impact of the music without hearing it booming out of enormous bass bins. Just go and hear a really kickass sound system and be transported to another dimension. I don't know if Abu Shanti still plays in London, but he's great.

Ben Williams, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Not to change the subject, but I think paying $32 to see Mission of Burma is pretty fair. Sort of. Maybe. Well, if they dedicate the set to me. And make "Einstein's Day" into "Raposa's Day". And change their name to Dave Is All Good. Yeah, then it'd be worth it.

But never mind me and my minor griping. Have I thanked you all for your recommendations yet? I haven't gone out and bought anything, mind you, but when I do, you'll be the 10th or 11th to know.

David Raposa, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

weed smokers in tha hay-ouse!!!! :)

fuckin contrary: Towers of Dub is better than Yabby U

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

To whoever said that dub needs to be experienced on a giant sound system: word.

You just can't get it loud enough at home. It's gotta be so heavy that you can feel the bass from your fingers through to your toes. I'd pay $25 for that--then again, I'm Canadian. Don't know whether I'd pay $25 US.

cybele, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Live Dub soundsystems are the best way to hear dub, unless you've got a 200k rig in your front room, seeing Jah shaka live the physicality of the bass is sickening, especially mixed with some weed, perfect!

jk, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I saw Lee Perry recently and it was dross. Having said that, dub can work live. Dennis Bovell and the Dub Band, for example, with DB making special effects with his voice. Staggering.

Daniel, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

People with serious knowledge have joined since the last time we covered this territory. I'm sure I'll be returning to this thread before my next trip to the record store. Nice work.

Mark, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i was talking about live reggae concerts, i.e. with a band, singers etc, which *usually* wouldn't be a great introduction to reggae.

dub sound-systems play a variety of *records*, and are a safer bet as an introduction (as well as getting the impact of the bass. Jah Shaka is very good, another big UK name is Aba Shanti. most JA sound systems will play dancehall.

m jemmeson, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlL0q6Uv8Ls

New Zion Trio (Jamie Saft, Hamid Drake, Brad Jones), ДОМ, 05.02.20

herds of unmasked cletuses (WmC), Sunday, 19 April 2020 13:20 (two years ago) link

saft's beard is positively brahmsian

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 19 April 2020 15:20 (two years ago) link

Here's an unremarkable slice of lovers that turned out to be precisely what I wanted to listen to this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtOb1OuDt1w

I was looking through some records earlier and pulled this out; my copy has even less information on it than the copy photographed for Youtube! It just has "James" hand-written on the label. Thought I'd look up the catalogue number on discogs and here it is. Derrick Lara's one of those names that I feel I've always known was good but I've never really dug into. I wish I'd been more into lovers in the 80s when this stuff was really, really cheap.

Tim, Monday, 20 April 2020 11:32 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

"Even if a fish'd keep his mouth shut, he wouldn't get caught..."

I love this Johnny Osbourne tune, "Fish Mouth" (Techniques production) (NB the "Come Back Darling" LP is one of those that's more of a Techniques comp than an Osbourne LP but it is brilliant all the way through and if you can lay hands on the 2-CD trojan version from a while back it's 5o tracks of this stuff and fantastic):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhKJ5tintQs

Today I learned of this I-Roy version on it, what a treat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ast5PlbNSg

When he starts the second verse with his regular "keep on coming through the door" business but he's just warming up and he starts absolutely blazing, I love I-Roy so much.

Tim, Friday, 12 June 2020 13:53 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Just came across that Ernest Ranglin NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert curmudgeon posted upthread. Fun stuff.

Two Little Hit Parades (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 August 2020 14:55 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Every time I listen to some Delroy Wilson I wonder why I bother listening to anything else

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 17:54 (one year ago) link

Love that Summer Records comp mentioned above

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 17:57 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nh5CapYICg

xzanfar, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 18:25 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5OqFSlMTKc

xzanfar, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 18:26 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

I've given up on ever getting a copy of Jesus Dread but this will help: Pressure Sounds have re-pressed Yabby You's Conquering Lion.

https://pressuresounds.bandcamp.com/album/conquering-lion-expanded

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:12 (one year ago) link

Don’t give up! I found the LP box set in my local shop for $65. The lid had some issues but the vinyl was in great shape.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 26 February 2021 01:45 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

I've been immersed in these Cry Tuff Dub Encounter LPs by Prince Far I, they sound so finely balanced and precise. Exemplary. Also some of Adrian Sherwood's earliest big outings?

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 11:05 (seven months ago) link

I think the 1st one was Sherwood and the 2nd Prince Jammy. And then 3 is Sherwood again, i think. Not 100% sure on that one. Such a great series.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 12:09 (seven months ago) link

So solid. According to discogs Sherwood mixed all four.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 12:34 (seven months ago) link

odd. i have vol 2 on Virgin's Front Line label and it says mixed by Prince Jammy.

but, i see discogs says All versions mixed and overseen by Adrian Sherwood (Uncredited)

stirmonster, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 12:46 (seven months ago) link

three months pass...

Good stuff for dubheads posted this past week: https://dubreggae.tumblr.com/post/673948657498849280/one-of-historys-best-music-lists-better-than

One of history’s best music lists – better than Pitchfork’s, Rolling Stone’s, or Elvis Costello’s – was made by a teenager named Snoopy in the summer of 1977. In the London music newspaper Black Echoes, he published his 125 favorite albums from the golden age of dub reggae. Forty-four years later, thanks to a lucky break, I found him.

An interview with Snoopy (Paul Nagle) follows. Here's the list as it was published.

https://imgur.com/a/MdNsaAK

And here's a 77-hour Spotify playlist from the list, compiled by Max Abelson, the writer of the tumblr post.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/01EoObotBce4Bww4oWwFB2?si=96945d98a11e4f88

Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Monday, 24 January 2022 23:06 (three months ago) link

read this yesterday - had never heard of him or the list. so great!

stirmonster, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:18 (three months ago) link

ska is good too!

xzanfar, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:29 (three months ago) link

re who mixed the prince far i LPs and discogs saying it was e.g. all sherwood, the snoopy interview points out (tho as a general comment rather than specifically abt these LPS) that discogs often seems to resort to guesswork when it comes to dub…

mark s, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:52 (three months ago) link

Interesting read, thanks for sharing!

paolo, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 08:44 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Spanish label/collective Lone Ark is a recent discovery for me and possibly deserves its own thread, such is their prolific output. Their stuff - what I've heard of it - is gorgeously produced and sounds good even on my tinny computer speakers, e.g. Audio Merge In Dub by Roberto Sanchez.

giraffe, Friday, 11 February 2022 16:12 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

I'd like some recommendations please!

Firstly, Peace and Love by Dadawah has been on heavy rotation at chez paolo lately. Are there any other albums that sound like this?

Secondly, I generally prefer dub compilations or mixes to albums. What are people's favourite dub comps?

paolo, Saturday, 16 April 2022 17:37 (one month ago) link

I mean I do like some dub albums. It's just not really an albums genre for me

paolo, Saturday, 16 April 2022 17:38 (one month ago) link

savage pencil vs dub is a cracking set :

https://www.discogs.com/release/4280420-Savage-Pencil-Lion-Vs-Dragon-In-Dub

mark e, Saturday, 16 April 2022 18:39 (one month ago) link

i enjoy listening to this mix, which to my limited knowledge is maybe basic and obvious, but here we are in the idiot's guide thread so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpyIxuAjZdg

i also got into this cumbia dub mix last year, figure thread readers might enjoy it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01tTJwVcJNY

budo jeru, Saturday, 16 April 2022 18:43 (one month ago) link

if you love Dadawah, i think there is a high probability you'll like Count Ossie & The Mystic Revelation Of Rastafari's – Grounation and Ras Michael & The Sons Of Negus' ‎– Rastafari

Also the Soul Jazz comp. Rastafari (The Dreads Enter Babylon 1955-83)

stirmonster, Saturday, 16 April 2022 19:51 (one month ago) link

correction - Ras Michael & The Sons Of Negus ‎– Nyahbinghi is probably the one you want to check. Promised Land Sounds - Rockin' Live Ruff N Tuff too!

stirmonster, Saturday, 16 April 2022 23:36 (one month ago) link

Thanks for the tips! That Savage Pencil mix looks a good one, and I've already heard that dub mix linked above but it's a top choice. There's a load of good ones on YouTube. Was listening to this one yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC4qz-lxPbw

Kunte Kinte - The Revolutionaries ( Channel One )
Solomonic Dub - Bunny Wailer
09:38 Deliver me - Yabby You and the Prophets
12:39 Ital Sip - Augustus Pablo
16:15 Power Pack - Joe Gibbs and the Professionals
19:43 Dub Organizer - Upsetters - Lee Perry
23:40 Black Roses Version - Sly and Robbie ( Jah Life )
27:32 Concentration Dub - the Crystalites ( Crystal )
30:07 Lift up your dress Fat Dub - Techniques all stars
34:02 Bubble Up Dub - Wayne Jarrett - Wackies Allstars ( Wackies )
37:42 A.N.C. - The Revolutionaries ( Channel One )
40:50 - Kingdom Rise Version - Wailing Souls - Roots Radics ( Volcano )
44:54 - Heavy Duty Dub - Mudie & King Tubby
48:01 - Dub with a Difference - Mudie & King Tubby
50:55 - Real Rock version - Joe Gibbs
54:20 - Guess Who's Coming to Dub - Sly and Robbie
57:08 - Warn the Nation Version - Yabby You and the Prophets. ( Vivian Jackson)
1:02:25 - Tina May Version ( Fi-Wi-Time )
1:05:15 - Psalm of dub - King Tubbys ( Black and White )
1:08:18 Wall Street - Jackie Mittoo ( Studio One )
1:11:36 Skylarking Dub ( Attack / Bunny Lee)
Dont know who to trust ( version ) - The Aggrovators

I'll check out those other ones too. Don't think I've ever actually heard any Count Ossie but I know he's a big deal in the roots/nyahbinghi sound. Apart from the Dadawah album I don't have any Ras Michael albums, just a few tracks on comps

Got this Trojan nyahbinghi box set in the post -https://www.discogs.com/release/748611-Various-Trojan-Nyahbinghi-Box-Set. Ordered from Ashley Beedle of X-Press 2 fame, no less

paolo, Sunday, 17 April 2022 08:19 (one month ago) link

Also just out of curiosity, any other dub fans find that the album format doesn't really work for them?

For me I think it's because on most dub albums all the tracks sound quite similar and you'll get more variety in a comp or the mix like the ones above

paolo, Sunday, 17 April 2022 08:38 (one month ago) link

i'm the opposite and am a big big fan of dub albums. currently slowly working my way through this book, 100 Days of Dub
By Martin Blomqvist - https://soundsoftheuniverse.com/product/by-martin-skyjuice-blomqvist

stirmonster, Sunday, 17 April 2022 11:34 (one month ago) link

Looks interesting, ordered!

paolo, Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:30 (one month ago) link

like stirmonster i often prefer a dub album made by one producer.
in fact, i often prefer the dub version over the original.
for example recent(ish) examples : massive attack vs mad prof, primal scream vs on-u

mark e, Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:43 (one month ago) link

Ideally you really need to hear both, because knowing the original enhances the fun of hearing the dub

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 17 April 2022 18:11 (one month ago) link

ooh, absolutely.
but i always end up preferring the dub version.

mark e, Sunday, 17 April 2022 18:23 (one month ago) link

me too

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 17 April 2022 21:31 (one month ago) link

Same, mostly.

Ramones Leave the Capitol (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 April 2022 21:34 (one month ago) link

xxxxp this Primal Scream vs On-U Sound linkup is a new one to me. The only material I can find after a quick search is a single with Irvine Welsh. It's OK. Is there any more kicking about?

paolo, Monday, 18 April 2022 09:29 (one month ago) link

Adrian Sherwood remixed the whole Vanishing Point album which was then released as Echo Dek :

https://www.discogs.com/master/28239-Primal-Scream-Echo-Dek

mark e, Monday, 18 April 2022 10:11 (one month ago) link

That's pretty good!

paolo, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 11:21 (four weeks ago) link

Speaking of Primal Scream, does anyone know where this dub reggae version of Loaded is from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZUXTppisNU

feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 13:09 (four weeks ago) link

i'm the opposite and am a big big fan of dub albums. currently slowly working my way through this book, 100 Days of Dub
By Martin Blomqvist - https://soundsoftheuniverse.com/product/by-martin-skyjuice-blomqvist

― stirmonster, Sunday, 17 April 2022 12:34 (one week ago) bookmarkflaglinkp-

This book is so good! Everyone who's into dub should buy a copy!

paolo, Thursday, 28 April 2022 11:33 (two weeks ago) link

I don't think King Tubby ever made a duff track. And there aren't many artists you can say that about

paolo, Saturday, 7 May 2022 14:14 (one week ago) link

Thanks for the Echo Dek rec, that is some good shit. What’s a good reggae book?

Cow_Art, Saturday, 7 May 2022 18:15 (one week ago) link

Lloyd Bradley's book, which is called Bass Music in the UK and This Is Reggae Music in the US, is justly celebrated with the caveat that he's against anything post-roots

I also remember liking David Katz's oral history Solid Foundation, though it's been a long time. I haven't read his Scratch bio but I believe it's fairly well regarded.

The Rough Guide to Reggae is quite good too, though obvs not a continuous narrative.

Michael Veal's Dub book is kind of dry but worth a look

rob, Saturday, 7 May 2022 18:37 (one week ago) link

Co-sign Lloyd Bradley, with the same caveats about the post-roots stuff (albeit I think in later editions he does revisit and revise his views of eg dancehall?). The recent '100 Days of Dub' by Martin 'Skyjuice' Blomqvist is getting very good reviews.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 7 May 2022 19:33 (one week ago) link

paolo otm

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 7 May 2022 19:57 (one week ago) link

The Blomqvist book is OK. There are definitely a lot of records in there I didn't know about that I will check out, but it's hardly a deep dive. Each entry is like a paragraph. And I know that English is not the author's first language, but the writing (and copy editing) is pretty bad. That said, I realize its function is not necessarily to provide prose that dances off the page. The author's enthusiasm is persuasive, and his expertise is apparent. It's a good book for info, and worth getting if you want to add a few dozen titles to your dub wantlist, but not much more than that. You can read the whole thing in less than an hour.

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 8 May 2022 10:26 (one week ago) link

I just re-read my post and realized it comes off a tad harsh, which was not my intention. I think anyone who bothered to click on this thread will benefit greatly from reading it. It's clearly a labor of love, emphasis on the love. I just would have liked to have seen a bit more research and a lot more copy editing.

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 8 May 2022 10:39 (one week ago) link

Just noticed that Prince Far I's name is rendered as "Prince Farl" throughout the book

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 18:47 (one week ago) link


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