Suede

yeah, I'm hyped too!

looks like a v good Bill Evans album, is it somehow suede-related?

The cover on the new Suede alb looks very similar

aaah, of course! indeed it does

Another Suede album that'll clash with the release of a Bowie album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL15Nvlf7ZU

Pretty good song. Around the chorus is occured to me that it could pass for something like Muse if the Muse singer were singing, but then it would suck.

There should be a thread for bands associated with specific fonts.

I was just coming here to post that Bowie is trying to steal their thunder again. Does this mean we can expect a new My Bloody Valentine record that month too?

Looking forward to a new album even though I'm not keen on Outsiders.

I quite like it, and I'm curious as to what the rest of the album is going to be like. From the looks of things, they're showcasing the album at some gigs next month, so now doubt that stuff'll be all over Youtube afterwards.

*now=no

not bad, all abt the chorus, verse is just a vehicle

sad his voice is so manipulated

btw stating the obv: bowie coincidence thing is kind of interesting since brett is one of the singers who took bowie's style most to heart

It's telling that the better Britpop bands seemed to be more influenced by Bowie/Roxy and contemporary '90s sounds and the ones that have aged dreadfully were more influenced by the '60s.

^word

interesting idea although, far from me the intention to defend them, oasis were more influenced by the pistols/t-rex/baggy than the 60s, to me (I suppose you had them in mind !).

Oh yeah, I definitely detect Pistols/T-Rex/Baggy in Oasis' sound, particularly on the first album, but after that the Beatles fetishism seemed to kick in, particularly with Liam Gallagher and his Lennon fixation...

I also had Cast, Ocean Colour Scene, Kula Shaker etc. in mind too.

that's true. the first album was fun then they became old bores.
the exact moment that happened was the "whatever" single, I guess.
(I think even noel gallagher agrees that only their first album was good !)

oh yeah, all these terrible, terrible bands...

but I guess it's the wrong thread to talk about oasis !

xxxpost:

Whereas bands like Suede, Pulp, Super Furry Animals, Supergrass and Blur seemed to come from more of a Bowie/Roxy thing, and weren't closed to soaking up what was going on around them at the time. I know that Blur started off as a baggy/shoegaze hybrid and a lot what made of Albarn doing a "Ray Davies" thing in the mid '90s, but musically I always detected far more late '70s/early '80s New Wave in Blur's sound than I ever did The Kinks. 'For Tomorrow' and 'Strange News From Another Star', just to name two, are Bowie as fuck, 'Trouble In The Message Centre' is very Numan etc.

Yeah, totally the wrong thread, but I didn't wanna bump the Britpop thread again!

this doesn't sound half bad
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21417-night-thoughts/
will try and blast it when I get home

hum. I must say this got me interested (although I didn't care about the previous one and the little I heard of the new one seems meh...).
I'll give it a try but I don't expect much !

I thought the last one was great (b-sides were a bit dull though aside from "Nothing Can Stop Us Now") but yeah haven't been crazy about the little I've heard from this . . . that review gives me hope.

Same here. Bloodsports was so eager to please but the songs were really good so they got away with it. These new songs have done nothing for me at all.

http://thequietus.com/articles/19571-suede-night-thoughts-review

Hrm. I was looking forward to this, because I love Suede and liked "Bloodsports" a lot, but then I sort of stopped looking forward to it. Then some positive notices started popping up and my enthusiasm went up again. But now I'm encountering a little too much hyperbole for comfort. "Musically, Night Thoughts is the most solid and focussed-sounding album Suede have ever realized." Guess I'll find out soon enough.

too much hyperbole for comfort, good expression

psyched too though!

Brett ranks the Suede albums:

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/rank-your-records-suede-brett-anderson?utm_source=noiseytwitterus

I really, really enjoyed Bloodsports and have liked what I've heard from Night Thoughts, and also the fact it's getting such good reviews is encouraging - I can see myself liking this record a hell of a lot.

I keep getting surprised by the good reviews Bloodsports gets, including Brett ranking it so high... I may give it another try.
And I feel the new one will leave me scratching my head too !

I'm surprised Brett is so happy with the production on Bloodsports, it's so offensive, sounds compressed, not a pleasant listen - but good songs and good playing

good interview

ah, so the new album is on spotify.
I'll give it a try this w-e...

http://www.metacritic.com/music/night-thoughts/suede

pr for this alb is amazing! gave it a quick background play in the office, sounded good

naw, too damn noisey - production makes it (on first listen) very hard on the ears, it's like trebly noise rock (not what I want from suede)

so even though songs sound good, I'm afraid I won't be listening much to this one - just like Bloodsports I'll be waiting for a good live album with these songs

Psyched to listen to this in an hour or so, but those first two albums are so Brit-pop era treble-heavy that that seems like a weird complaint. That lack of low-end and shrill guitars, I could never tell if that was bad production or just an affectation, like someone heard "Raw Power" and thought, I want my rock album to sound like that, but I've gotten used to it.

I agree that the first album lacked low-end (Butler also had trouble with that if I remember correctly some interviews). DMS was better on that matter... but then they drowned it all in reverb !
still, I loved these first two so the sound wasn't that much of an issue.
I guess it won't be one for the new one either if the songs are good (which I doubt since, after giving Bloodsport another try, I still find the songs alright but very generic Suede... the sound is not even an issue !)

I think Dog Man Star has great sound, and high production value too with strings and all. I think it's down to modern production techniques, it's like too much is happening at once in the soundscape - it becomes noisey, shrill, sounds compressed. So it's not because I miss bass, just that it sounds sort of unintentionally MBVish to my ears. But will of course give it more spins.

like for all the treble on DMS it's a quite relaxed sonic "room" for me

oh I find DMS had a good sound that goes well with the songs and spirit of the album. I only wish they had been easier on the treble !

Bloodsports is one of the worst-sounding pieces of vinyl I own, but this is right up there with it...

BUT just getting to the end of side 2 (of 4) and What I'm Trying to Tell You immediately sounds like the best Suede song I've heard in 20 years.

I just started the album and it's already hitting the spot. Admittedly dense with sonic information, that's for sure.

I've never heard Bloodsports but the way u guys describe the production, it must be similar to that of Coming Up?

It's just pretty compressed a la everything, which can make it a bit headache inducing. This one, doesn't sound that bad to me. Sonically, that is. The album, I think it's really strong. But not so in your face obviously so that it's immediately apparent. Sort of like DMS, you can tell there's something going on, but I can tell it may take me a bit to figure it all out and determine the degree of greatness.

With the terrible noise of it, I can't really judge this thing after one listen. It seems promising. Definitely some good songs there. Maybe I should've got the CD instead of the vinyl. Then instead of wondering if there was fluff on the needle I could've just relaxed knowing that was how it was supposed to sound.

I think I mentioned on the Bloodsports thread that Brett recycled the melody of his best solo song (Clowns) for that album's closer, Faultlines. Here he's blatantly reused his best The Tears melody (Apollo 13) for new song Tightrope AND adapted the best Bloodsports tune (What Are You Not Telling Me?) for I Can't Give Her What She Wants. A lot of the time it feels with this band that you're just hearing the same things arranged in a slightly different way.

However, it's impressive how Brett's clearly worked on the lyrics. He was an ambitious if often awkward writer in the very old days, and it was a shame how notoriously lazy he became afterwards. But there's good writing here.

The guitar is often brilliant within the pretty-rigid Suede template - i.e. non-stop fuzzy arpeggios with occasional moments of pseudo-spontaneity post-chorus - and there are even points where you get unexpected things, like the weirdly thrilling verses of What I'm Trying to Tell You.

I don't know what I expect from a Suede record really. I certainly wouldn't be listening to this album if I'd just heard Like Kids from some nobodies on Radio 6 Music. Like most people, I'm listening because I got a big buzz from the likes of Sleeping Pills and New Generation a long time ago.

But they are still madly glorious live, and I'm looking forward to seeing them doing this record in a couple of weeks in Glasgow.

Wow, the pair of What I'm Trying to Tell You and Tightrope.

xp p booming post

Suede, the Bauhaus of the 90s (the lyrics, the bowie-isms, the hysteria?, maybe better on the music side, but then Brett&co didn't record a standard like Bela Lugosi's Dead...
― erik, Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:00 PM (14 years ago)

hmm, wonder if Suede should be my replacement band if this thing goes south (it almost seems too perfect, along with Bowid). Should the Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy artist poll go on as planned?

David Bowie