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What's good in metal this year?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

According to me:

Anata, Under a Stone With No Inscription (metalcore/death-metal fusion [!]: really a grower, sounded good on first listen way back in January and just keeps getting fiercer & wilder
Decapitated, The Negation Plain ol' death metal with a Morbid Angel fixation but gawd they're good at it, really spaced-out & great
The End, Within Dividia Somewhat ike Anata but not as crazy & way more on the metalcore side of things - which is odd because the End used to be super-crazy on purpose, only in an often annoying way i.e. their bass parts reminded me of Primus sometimes, which can't be good. But this one really cages in the bassist and the whole album's really focused and savage.

...and the new Lickgoldensky, which I've only got a burned copy of & I'm not sure when it comes out but is easily the best of the lot, because Lickgoldensky is just unbelievably great.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:53 (twenty years ago) link

Recently saw these guys, Zebulon Pike live:

http://www.zebulonpike.com/

mpls based...lead by the bass player of free jazz/funky whatever band Happy Apple (also related to the Bad Plus)...

Anyways, saw them and was very impressed....all instrumental doom/stoner stuff, but they (unlike alot of all instrumental bands like this i've seen)...had a good sense of composition (ie they write multiple "movements" to the songs that eb and flow so's they don't get boring)..excellent musicians, used alot of harmony double lead guitar stuff....bass player had monster loud tone (and very old Rush 2112 t-shirt on so you know he's not playin')...

they have some demos on the site a 5-song full length is recorded and coming out this summer...

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

R. Kelly

Signed,
C. Eddy

Jimmy The Fist, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:58 (twenty years ago) link

Disagree on Anata and The End. Don't like either one much. Agree 1000 percent on Decapitated; they should be huge but, somehow, they're not. (Maybe touring the US would help.)

Other things I like right now:

Cadaver (formerly Cadaver Inc.), Necrosis
1349, Beyond The Apocalypse
Dimension Zero, This Is Hell
Pelican, Australasia

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:14 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone heard Loincloth? I've read about their demo in a couple places now and am thinking about sending for it.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:32 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I didn't think that End album was so hot. I like Anata's The Infernal Depths Of Hatred. I haven't heard the new one.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

Here's a question: why is the Vital Remains album (with guest vocals by Glen Benton) so good, and the new Deicide album so awful?

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

I'm still quite enjoying the Probot disc.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

Some of these bands are good, but they can't play a lick when compared to the mighty Foghat.

Leon Lighips, Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago) link

Dear John, read what I recommend here:

Recent tuneful metal


You can add the new Katatonia album and Subterranean Masquerade CD single to the ones I talk about on that thread, as well. I like the End and Anata; haven't heard Decapitated. The Lickgoldensky EP or whatever it was from last year was kind of fun, in a stupid way.

Best Foghat song of the year is on the Mr. Wonka!? CD-R I review here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/eddy.php

chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

I finally heard Katatonia for the first time; got that 2CD compilation of EPs and whatnot. Was very disappointed.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

There's not much good stuff on that Katatonia comp IMO. I think they got a lot better once they decided to ditch the growls and stick with the clean vocals as on "Discouraged Ones" and onward.

As far as other newish heavy music goes, I haven't heard anything that can touch Kayo Dot's "Choirs of the Eye" since that came out last year. The new Koma album (feat. members from Cult of Luna) is pretty good, but not in the same league.

Avi Roig (Avi), Thursday, 22 April 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

Here's a question: why is the Vital Remains album (with guest vocals by Glen Benton) so good, and the new Deicide album so awful?

That Vital Remains album was my second favorite album of last year after the Lickgoldensky debut! As to the new Deicide, I thought it was pretty weak on first listen but I'm a little more into it now - still, Glenn's vocals on it sound like he's just plain not into it any more. Maybe Vital Remains, umm, revitalized him. AAaagh sorry about that one.

Chuck I thought the last Katatonia was totally unlistenable - is the new one more of that, or back in the direction of Last Fair Deal Gone Down?

and finally, Phil- am I right in guessing that metalcore-ish stuff doesn't do anything for you?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 22 April 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

>am I right in guessing that metalcore-ish stuff doesn't do anything for you?

For the most part, yeah. I love the Deftones, though, and have an affection for Machine Head that's a mystery even to me. (Their new album, which reunites Robb Flynn with his old guitarist from Vio-lence, is really good.)

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 22 April 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and I still like Slipknot, even though I know nothing they do is ever gonna top the first six tracks on their Roadrunner debut.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 22 April 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

John, Chuck was talking about the Century Media Katatonia comp. And you are still wrong about Viva Emptiness. Those songs are great!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

ok, this is/isn't metal. i'm not sure what it is. drum and bass allegedly. Nightbreed – pack of wolves. It is the ultimate in hyper-paced guitar ferocity for the dancing conscious. It’s basically a d&b track with metal credentials. It is taken from Ram Raiders volume 5.

Other than that on a commercial metal tip I would say the new fear factory and soulfly records are both returns to form after preceding blips.

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Thursday, 22 April 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

Myke that sounds really good

and Scott I wouldn't know whether the Viva Emptiness songs are good because the singing & production thereof/upon is so very, very bad :)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

"John, Chuck was talking about the Century Media Katatonia comp. And you are still wrong about Viva Emptiness. Those songs are great! "

All I will say here is that I trust Scott Seward's Katatonia judgement implicitly, at all times. I'm talking about a 2-CD set I got in the mail two weeks ago. I have no idea when its songs were recorded, but its sad grumbling frequently sounds quite beautiful.

chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

"R. Kelly
Signed,
C. Eddy"

Actually, his new single is really good, but I wouldn't call it metal, honest!

chuck, Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

The new Anathema album is very good. Lamb of God's album from last year continues to grow on me in a big way. Oh, and the new Soulfly disc is a real return to form for Max Cavalera.

abegrand, Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:10 (twenty years ago) link

John, I really think you should give it one more chance. Listen to the songs. I like it better than Last Fair Deal. But my faves would go: Discouraged Ones, Brave Murder Day, Tonight's Decision, Viva Emptiness, Last Fair Deal Gone Down.

The comp has the demo, a couple of tracks off the first album, For Funerals To Come, A couple from Brave Murder Day, a couple comp tracks, and a couple old e.p.s/single tracks.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago) link

I still need to hear the new Anathema album. I know there are ILMers who gave up on them a long time ago, but I love the spacey pink floyd stuff.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

Scott have you heard the new Decapitated? It really kinda is the death metal "Dark Side of the Moon" - really deep, for lack of a better word.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago) link

And I like the production on Viva Emptiness a lot more than on Last Fair Deal. By a long shot. But it's a different strokes for different folks kinda thing. John, you called Viva Emptiness nu-metal on another thread and i think that's just crazy. or maybe you haven't heard a lot of nu-metal a la korn, limp bizkit, etc. I guess if deftones was your definition of nu-metal you would be in a more reasonable ballpark.

Decapitated-I can't remember. I might have a promo of it, but i could be thinking of something else. I'll check.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

No, I don't think I do have it. I will look for it. I did find an Exhumed album from last year that I don't remember having. I put that on.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

I'm so out of it living on this friggin' island though. No cheap metal. No metal mags. It's like a vast metal-less wasteland. But, you know, beautiful and all. It ain't philly, that's all i know. Not a Relapse store in sight.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:37 (twenty years ago) link

Can anyone recommend some good online weekly metal shows in the US [i.e college/ uni radio or rock stations]

In the UK we have two stations Radio 1 and Xfm - that have weekly rock/ metal shows - but they are mostly useless.

Some Dark Metal/Metalcore/Noisecore artists that I am looking forward to release albums in 2004 [although no doubt some will be delayed to 2005 !]

Arcturus
Borknager
Celtic Frost
Converge
Cult of Luna
Death Angel
DHG/ Dodheimsgard
Diabolical Masquerade
Dillinger Escape Plan
Ephel Duath
Gehenna
Green Carnation
Lamb of God
Lickgoldensky
Madder Mortem
Mastodon
Motorhead
Neurosis
Nile
Opeth
Potentiam
The Red Chord
Red Harvest
Solefald
System of a Down

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

I will be heartily looking forward to the Converge, Diabolical Masquerade, Green Carnation, Neurosis, Opeth, and Arcturus releases! Cuz they are what i'm all about. No, really. In a nut-shell.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

I've never heard Lickgoldensky. Everyone on ILM loves them. Even Sasha Frere-Jones loves them.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago) link

Anymore future 2004 releases/artists worth noting?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

Check this one out, martian. This page shows additions to their playlist so you can see if its the kinda stuff you dig:


http://www.snakenetmetalradio.com/mostrecentadds.asp

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

They have charts too, Martian. I know how you love charts:


http://www.snakenetmetalradio.com/charts/charts.asp

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 April 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

I can't wait for Gorgoroth to get their tape back from the Polish authorities so they can release it on DVD.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 23 April 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

Well, you've got my attention, Phil, but what's the story there?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 April 2004 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

everyone should check out that kayo dot thing on tzadik. almost makes me think that label has a reason to exist other than the occasional otomo yoshihide cd.

i never really pay attention to what years things come out, i think the only newish metal stuff i've bought recently is:

abigail - forever street metal bitch. ridiculous retro japanese 'black thrash' with motorhead/venom/sodom influences proudly to the fore.

spear of longinus - black sun society box. australian 'nazi occult metal,' probably their best release and moving toward a heavier, seemingly more death metal inspired sound.

mutiilation - majestas leprosus. french black legions = virulent/crapulent darkthrone-descended ugliness.

tangorodrim - unholy and unlimited lp on southern lord. first thing on SL i've heard that's outside their usual 'genre' - this is more pure hellhammer/darkthrone-inspired stuff.

blood storm's "ancient wraith of ku" is pretty cool. main guy used to be in goreaphobia and toured as a member of absu.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 23 April 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

the Vital Remains is good because Glen doesn't write any of it. Seriously.

The Mutilation disc is impossible to find. But if you have Soulseek and a halfway decent gentleman willing to share, you can get lucky.

-Alan

Alan Conceicao, Friday, 23 April 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago) link

"I'm so out of it living on this friggin' island though. No cheap metal. No metal mags. It's like a vast metal-less wasteland. But, you know, beautiful and all."
Hmmm, sounds like home,

Cacaman Flores, Friday, 23 April 2004 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

-tumult put out a new draugar record recently and what i've heard of it was totally awesome. sort of shoegaze metal. it's almost beautiful in it's doom.

-looking forward to converge and dep. mastodon should rock.

-i've been digging the latest flying luttenbachers stuff which is very prog metalish... it's really blistering stuff.

-temporary residence put out this metal record by some teenagers called nightfist.... it's total 80s epic cheese with little acknowledgement of what everybody else is doing... somebody grew up in a trailer with nothing but Yes and Europe maybe. it's kinda refreshing cause i don't have any of my old metal like it. the midi piano is choice.

-probot has some good moments but you can tell the excitement of such a project overshadowed the song writing at times.

-circle takes the square... sort of grind meets emocore with weird quite parts... probably not metal, pear say. very good though. multi-vocals rule.

-heh...squarepusher has some near industrial metal like stuff on his new one... track i'm referring to specifically: "steinbolt"

-friends are pissing themselves over bathtub shitter but i'm not feeling it.
m.

msp, Friday, 23 April 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

i just heard probot in a friend's car....I was pleasantly suprised...it's a fun little metal sampler....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 23 April 2004 02:34 (twenty years ago) link

oh, yeah - draugar is pretty great. sounds like leviathan and "hvis lyset tar oss" in a cave.

The Mutilation disc is impossible to find.

www.theajnaoffensive.com has it - i just got my copy (+abigail +s.o.l.) from them. i think they're also doing US distro for drakkar these days.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 23 April 2004 02:48 (twenty years ago) link

oh yeah, and nokturnal mortum's "the taste of victory" is great - technically a sellout i'm sure, but those snaky post-'kashmir' violin bits on the opening song and the catchiness of the songwriting cannot be denied.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 23 April 2004 02:53 (twenty years ago) link

Just got the flyer for "Dude Fest" in Indianapolis on Aug. 1-2, which, featuring both racebannon and lickgoldensky, ought to be nice & pummelicious.

By the way, "Rolling Metal" would be one kick-ass genre!

briania, Friday, 23 April 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago) link

"-temporary residence put out this metal record by some teenagers called nightfist.... it's total 80s epic cheese with little acknowledgement of what everybody else is doing... somebody grew up in a trailer with nothing but Yes and Europe maybe. it's kinda refreshing cause i don't have any of my old metal like it."


Here's my review of those precocious tykes:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0351/eddy.php

chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

The aural equivalent of Eragon, maybe: Now that emo punks are jocks who shop at the Gap, it's about time Dungeons and Dragons kids regained their geek status.

The Lord of the Rings conquering the world was just the start. JUST YOU WAIT etc. Chuck remind me to send you some Raunchy Young Lepers songs one of these days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

i forgot to mention that i agree on lickgoldensky... dude. thanks for the recommendation on that. i found it at the local chili stand and it kicks!
m.

msp, Saturday, 24 April 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

I've heard all kinds of good things about Circle Takes the Square! But the name seems so deplorably emo. The guys from Radiation 4 (who I hope make a new album this year) were big on that and on Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, who I haven't heard.

msp if you dig "The Beautiful Sounds of Lickgoldensky" just wait 'til you hear their next stuff...holy God is it focused

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 24 April 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

anyone got any idea what the new lickgoldensky is called and when it's out?

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Saturday, 24 April 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

it is called lickgoldensky and it's out in may 24th. and i've just heard it and it is terrorlicious!

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Sunday, 25 April 2004 00:08 (twenty years ago) link

It is a beautiful world in which the phrase "Satan's Penguins have perished" can be said in all seriousness.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

>Meshuggah a B+ (21", maybe that can slip into the Singles with that Last Days of May monobum). <

Unpersons have a good 15-minute one-song album-as-CD-as single out now, too. (Of "dirgecore music," I bet somebody calls it.) It's a trend!! (I haven't heard the Meshuggah one yet, though.)

chuck, Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Almost all members have quit, and now Killerpenguin has had it."

RIP, Satan's Penguins. Drink mead in the frosty halls of your fathers.

max davenport at work, Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Slunt -- possibly an accidentally on purpose contraction of slut and cunt have a new EP with a fast metal version of Romeo Void's "Never Say Never." And yes, girls, sing it, quite well, I might add.

George Smith, Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I like that Slunt EP (and especially the Romeo Void cover) too. I never knew what all the words were before!

chuck, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Then there's Salmon Hater, who indeed hate salmon:

http://www.salmonhater.com/

...and Hatebeak, with a parrot for a lead singer:

http://www.boingboing.net/2004/06/29/free_mp3_of_parrotfr.html

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

...while fans of Bohren und Der Club of Gore might wish to explore further the world of sophisticated Satanic lounge and jazz music by listening to Rank Sinatra:

http://www.systemcorrupt.com/rank/ranksinatra.html

I'll have a bloody mary thanks! P'taaeuugh! That's not real blood! Joke metal is the new black. Or rather, black metal is the new joke.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Canadian Werewolf True Pitch Black Metal is no joke my friend!

Vas Djifrens, Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/byzantum

Vas Djifrens, Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Hatebeak. That's certainly the acme of barrel-scraping.

Witchcraft surpised me. It was on TMC so more stoner metal, guitars like oozing magma, right? Nope, a perfect imitation of the 69-72 sound of second & third tier hard rock, the kind of thing that would have been dismissed as trash in Rolling Stone. Absolutely authentic down to the still clinging to psychedelia singer. Now I don't have to dig up Demian anymore.

"Her Sisters They Were Weak" sounds like someone who has just seen Jethro Tull chart for the first time and wants a piece of the action.

This isn't a backhanded compliment but genuise praise. I am delighted someone would publish Witchcraft. For fans of Uriah Heep, first two UFO albums, you know who you are.

George Smith, Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"Axes of Evil," "Revenge is a Vulture," from 3 Inches of Blood.

George Smith, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe it took me this long to hear the new Death Angel album. Quite the impressive comeback...aside from the clunky hardcore "Land of Blood", this is outstanding, old school thrash.

a. begrand (a begrand), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Hanzel und Gretyl's "Scheissmessiah." Moves out its heaven & hell themes right smartly to marching beats and World War I Hun imagery.
A metal version of "Hallelujah" chorus works.

George Smith, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Color Guard's DARK POP isn't exactly metal, but close enough even fro my neighbor, who claims that *this* will be thee XXXmass that hs wife will let him get that ultimate tattoo (sure). I'd say (listening to vocal parts sprinkled like hemlock over wet woods through which kerosene-driven inventions shift gears in celebration of second-term ecodiscourse), that these maidens and their impared-chromosome familiar are from a village within site of The Gathering's dolmen; that they are cousins of Rasputina, and babysitters of Kittie.Navaho Code Talkers' HEAVY DIRTY SOUNDS also close enough to metal;Quebecois cognac femme vocals oui!Slunt's "Inside" prob make my P&J Singles. Na Jag Panzer started strong, but got too canned on Tap in the middle (exercycle sez resume counting though) Eat thy victory, St. George!

don, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"But what of Zakkk Wylde," my xxxrcycle asks?

don, Thursday, 4 November 2004 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link

We agree on Slunt. I can do without the songs with the ooo-way-ooo punk rock choruses but "Inside" does it. Thumbs up, too, on Navajo Code Talkers. Smashmouth without sounding typically like North American wall-o-unimaginatively-played heavy rhythm guitar. I hear loud Fender Twins as opposed to Brit stacks.

George Smith, Thursday, 4 November 2004 08:35 (nineteen years ago) link

So I finally heard Witchcraft's album (Brian O'Neill burned me one), and it appears to be just about everything everybody says it is. Probably has the best chance of making my Pazz and Jop list of any metal album this year, give or take Ewigkeit (unless there's one I'm forgetting).

chuck, Sunday, 7 November 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Witchcraft? That's such a briliantly simple name I'm surprised nobody came up with it before! New band or not?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 November 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Q: is there any chance for someone [with appropriate Metal knowledge/ expertise and research skills] to volunteer some time to summarize all 2004 released albums mentioned on this thread?

i.e format
artist - album title

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 7 November 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Witchcraft? That's such a briliantly simple name I'm surprised nobody came up with it before! New band or not?
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), November 7th, 2004.

there should be metal kraftwerk cover band called Witchkraftwerk

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 7 November 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

How many metal covers of Kraftwerk even exist, though? (Only reason I ask is a means of pointing out that Treponem Pal covered "Radioactivity" once -- unless it was Voivod, but I *think* it was Treponem Pal. And Big Black covered "The Model," if they count.)

chuck, Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Treponem Pal. I used to have that album around somewhere.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Volunteer, I grant thee all the time needed, to summarize these 2,000 (plus) souls in my mind. But *should* I exercycle for Zak Wylde, and if so which one?

don, Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll bite with a gross generalization: It's dismaying how many bands in this thread are nothing more than metal's magazine cover stories/back cover ads of 2004.

Between the Buried and Me seems to totally slay Mastodon -- except when exploring their Mountain Goats influence.

Mortiis had the side project Fata Morgana, which was essentially a Kraftwerk cover band.

I used to consider Harry Pussy in their raging prime to be American black metal, and they covered Showroom Dummies.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

The new Unleashed album is much better than the 3 Inches Of Blood disc.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

It's dismaying how many bands in this thread are nothing more than metal's magazine cover stories/back cover ads of 2004.

Okay then, here's one...I'm really enjoying the recent album Mob Wheel, by Shallow North Dakota. It's got kind of an Eyehategod/Outlaw Order/Melvins/Isis thing going on with this one. Great sludgy sound to it all. Last I heard, it was released only on double LP (I have a promo cd of it).

Also, I'm impressed with the new cd by Italian band The Secret, which has a similar Isis/Neurosis sound, but instead of sludge, it's got more of a crisp, prog (think Meshuggah) influence, with some surprising melodic bursts that appear from out of nowhere.

Has anyone else heard the new Mnemic album? I like it. In a real ballsy move, they cover Duran Duran's "Wild Boys", and they make it work.

a. begrand (a begrand), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Volunteer, I grant thee all the time needed, to summarize these 2,000 (plus) souls in my mind. But *should* I exercycle for Zak Wylde, and if so which one?

Eesh. The guy who ISO 9000 codified the p-too punctuating noise done with the whammy bar, now injected into every pause or hole in metal riffage by the generics.

I'd pick two possibles, if pressed. "Living the Life I Wanna Live" from the "Rockstar" soundtrack, or the double live CD ... "Alcohol Fueled Brewtality" or something, because it's relentless noise.

George Smith, Monday, 8 November 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

The greatest thing about Zakk Wylde is that his signature guitar improves on the Eddie Ojeda signature model. I wanna rock!

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

The greatest thing about Zakk Wylde is that his signature guitar improves on the Eddie Ojeda signature model. I wanna rock!

Then you'll want to admire his signature metal overdrive footpedal, too. I think he's also in the business of peddling chain link guitar straps. Next, maybe bullseye painted Zakk Wylde free weights.

For pure nausea, however, nothing compares to the enormous pile of Eddie van Halen signature guitar junk.

George Smith, Monday, 8 November 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant, once you scrape off the paint, a Les Paul beats a Kramer Strat any day.

Anyway:

B.C. Rich is honored to team up with Kerry King, guitarist for the legendary metal group, Slayer, to create an exciting new guitar. Based on Kerry King's handcrafted B.C. Rich V-shaped guitar, the new KKV Signature Special captures the essence of the expensive handmade instrument at a totally affordable price.

The new B.C Rich guitar features a black finish with tribal graphics, a maple neck with rosewood fingerboard and Widow® headstock, custom 12th fret KKV inlay, a one-piece adjustable bridge, and 2 B.C Rich Special Design humbucking pickups.

The Kerry King Signature Special package also includes a KKV gigbag, KKV guitar strap, a full-color poster of Kerry King, custom tribal headsweat, and signature guitar picks.

http://www.bcrich.com/images/guitars/sm_kkv_pk.jpg

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

a Les Paul beats a Kramer Strat

Very true, Ian. Kramer, the house that EVH built and which went bankrupt upon trying to pick its final winner, Gorky Park, with an official "Gorky Park" balalaika-shaped axe.

No one ever really dies in the business, though. Kramer, I bet, has climbed out of disgrace by sweatshopping their manufacturing to Indonesia or someplace where a roll of nickels a year is a wage.

George Smith, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link

George on Bathtub Shitter. Be sure to check out the advertisements:

http://villagevoice.com/issues/0445/smith.php

chuck, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

How many metal covers of Kraftwerk even exist, though? (Only reason I ask is a means of pointing out that Treponem Pal covered "Radioactivity" once -- unless it was Voivod, but I *think* it was Treponem Pal. And Big Black covered "The Model," if they count.)

Harry Pussy did "Showroom Dummies."

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Read upthread about ten posts or so, m'friend. Another Ian has already observed it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

ack. oops. sorry metal dudes!

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

is that bathtub shitter album available in the US? somewhere? these mp3s are killing me.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

You can get it from Aquarius.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

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Some people have over 40 pounds. Get it out in 5 days. Guaranteed.

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http://blessedherbs.com/?af=0006&sp=colon_cleansing_kit

The Relapse Records store also had BS.

George Smith, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Praise for Bathtub Shitter, from net hoi polloi:

"i find ... "Lifetime Shitlist" to be hilarious.

mosurock posted this on Nov 11th, 2004 at 10:44:49 am

As do I find ... "Control of Own Hole".

west nile posted this on Nov 11th, 2004 at 12:13:06 pm

I find this band to be brutal. I will get a bathtub shitter tattoo if someone else pays for it.

mike posted this on Nov 11th, 2004 at 01:05:56 pm

Man...I love that band...I need to get the CD.

I've got the lifetime shitlist 7", but I need the rest of the tracks.

I can now confirm I.C.E's "Apocalyptic End..." is also worth ear damage. It's no Bathtub Shitter but still has moments.
The blast beat tripe does not completely overcome the enjoyment of the ridiculous and the infrequent slab of radiating power riff. Art reminds me of my old Creepy and Eerie magazines. Now, when someone in this type of "act" figures out they can do Ambrose Bierce to the din rather than use their own lyrics...

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George Smith, Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Bitter Bierce= Kandia's brew she avows. Bet Lemmy's into him too.

don, Monday, 15 November 2004 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Now, when someone in this type of "act" figures out they can do Ambrose Bierce to the din rather than use their own lyrics...

Then they will become my favorite band ever.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Due to the diligence of Chuck, I've finally had a listen to the "Codeine Rock" CD-R's by Mr. Wonka?! Good screwed Foghat, Mountain, Ozzy's "Crazy Train" ... lots more, too. The guy knows what to do with hard rock, taking the right riffs into downtune computermetrically. I wouldn't want an entire rekkid store full of it but as an A-Z, it's worth repeated ear damage. I liked it easily enough to want to hear a Mr. Wonka?! transform of "Mr. Big."

George Smith, Sunday, 21 November 2004 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

me wantum Mr Wonka?! Somebody just sent me a burn of BLOODROCK 2. Of course, "D.O.A" is their masterpiece, but also other innerestingly skewed (not gorey!) POVs and even tunefulness if not tunes (could see them as possible influence on pre-Manilow Styx and orange-label-mix of first Boston)(butt prob just the zeitgeist). Speaking of other 'second and third level early 70s hard rock," George, have you heard Supagroup? They should be big as The Darkness dammit! Their actual lot is more like(mine and) Bloodrock's, in BR's "Fancy Space Odyssey": "Livin' in a hoedown, workin' for th' lowdown." Amen, Podner.

dn, Sunday, 21 November 2004 05:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I reviewed Supagroup at one time. I did like the record, one of their songs being a nifty translation of Savoy Brown's "Street Corner Talking." "Cat Soup" was pretty good, too, having that funny, tasteless story by a poor man vibe that everyone in American hard rock lost with the onset of the Age of Seriousness and Endeavor. Supagroup get no push, sadly. Their label, Foodchain, is the kind of place you want to be if you place great value on parsimony and are planning to die soon by misadventure (see Betty Blowtorch).

Mardo are i the same 70's hard rock thing, but more to the Kinks side than white-boy blooz.

You'd probably like "Bloodrock Live," too, Don. It pretty much collects their best material -- probably redone in the studio actually with a crowd track from some gig. It picks up some extra vim as compared to the studio recordings, which helps a lot on the material from "Bloodrock 3."

I definitely hear the influence on Styx, possibly early Kansas, too, although the latter also had to be copping from Uriah Heep's "Look at Yourself." ("Belexes," for example.)

Was watching an MTV2 special on Busted over the weekend. Apparently huge in England, they have come over here to conquer and appear to have already lost the fight. Lots of worried knitting of brows that Busted will be pitched as a boy band to eleven year old girls, something that got them success in Britain but which obscured their true nature, it is said, as a hard rock and pop band that "wrote their own songs."

Busted arrive in New York. Are taken to label edifice in Manhattan where they attend a 90 second meeting in which every department head informs them enthusiastically that they will be aggressively pitched to the teenage wet-your-pants girl demographic, getting to be on some Nickelodeon show where the focus is pouring icky syrups and candies on the heads of guests in front of screaming children. Ha-ha-ha-ha, the dismay on their faces caught by the camera was priceless. Best short comedy piece over the weekend.


George Smith, Sunday, 21 November 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, some of BLOODROCK 2 could use live vim, ,although mainly if I listen on headphones: singer's wailing, but drummer's tap tapping along like listening to (or playing) a guide track. Sometimes, not always. Your tale of Busted is scarier than "D.O.A." Reminds me that the Push Kings went for teeny *and* hard rock buzz. FEEL NO FADE's hadclapping and stomping platform shoes for the gurlies, yet also with a Penthouse type in the booklet (also a condom packet, good to go, but would American kids even know what that is, with federally-mandated abstinence-only Social Education? So maybe it's not nec. for American kids.) Also chirping about how wasted they are (little James Deans looking for a fascinated Nice Girl). But I think they've been smoking Greg Shaw's early 70s Juke Box Juries in Creem (seen the rockist Bubblegum thread?) Seems like a good ploy, but where are they now, or then, for that matter? (think this is from '99/'00)

don, Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Can I ask when you two will be close proximity with each other so I can buy you both some beers and just listen to the chat? (Said chat is equally grand here, I note.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 21 November 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Just saw the rockist bubblegum thread. To answer your question, yep, I bought the Hollywood Stars LP, motivated by -- I think -- lickspittle hype by Creem. It was on Arista, which should tell you much re hard rock quality, and it was poor. One really good song, "All the Kids On the Street" and then zip. I expected something like The Sidewinders or, at worst, Pezband. As far as it having something to do with Kim Fowley, I'd rate it parallel to The Orchids in quality. I take that back. The Orchids were unlistenable, not because they were awful, but because they were exactly nothing. If the Mac music program Garageband had existed back then, it would
have made The Orchids.

I think all these bands would have done better had they cut the cheese and reliance on the say-so of Hollywood types and tried bribing people into letting them onto Outlaws and Skynyrd tours. Artful Dodger went that way and they wound up with a couple of good records and a reputation.

What's most entertaining is to see how American and mechanical the treatment of a band like Busted is. It's obvious the label employees believe in pop music, or hard rock, or whatever, as an equation to be solved simply by arranging the right inputs and outputs and balancing them.

It's nasty and a joy to watch other people come a cropper by it. The Busted guys can sit there and watch as their careers are taken in thirty seconds, analyzed according to theoretical demographic, and ground into packets of Lik-M-Aid. (Which, by the way, comes with the Mr. Wonka?! CD-Rs.) In their old age they will still be able to precisely map when they became fucked. Yep, it was when they said nothing as the chick at the big table scheduled 'em for that TV show where Cocoa Marsh is dumped on heads.

Well, things could be worse. You could always be in a Kiss, Judas Priest or Queen tribute band, which is what I learned from the absolutely awful documentary, "Tribute." Watching "Tribute" was right up there with going to the eye doctor to have a chelazion in your bottom eyelid cauterized. It was too much about sadism/masochism rationalized as a way to earn some money off rock and roll. You get to be Kiss without any of the benefits or, actually, Wicked Lester.
You get to put on faux Kiss duds (or faux Judas priest) and make-up
(how good it looks dependent on your limited budget,) play the Kiss songs you're sick of in small dives for really drunk men. If there are any women involved, it's only one or two with grey tattoos and all their teeth knocked out from years of amphetamines abuse. Finally, you "get lucky" in the sense that someone with a video camera puts you onscreen on cable, like that series about whores at some street corner in one of the outer boroughs of NYC.

Get slowly driven mad until you quit, have a nervous breakdown that results in a transformation into a religious zealot.

George Smith, Sunday, 21 November 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

And in thread-related info, this just in for those who think extreme metal just isn't canned enough yet:

Precision Sound Releases "Demonic - Voices from Hell" Sample Collection

From the darkest areas of human vocal art comes a new 158-file, 24-bit Mono WAV format collection of "Growls", "Screams" and "Words". All WAV files has also been mapped for HALion & Kontakt for easy access if you working with these samplers.

Demonic - Voices from hell offers unprocessed performances from professional singers in the darker heavy metal genres. The collection contains staccato and long growls, hi and lo in different "tonal colors" and lengths, screams and demonic words.

For more information, visit their web site at

http://www.precisionsound.net

George Smith, Sunday, 21 November 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Holy shit! I'monna go listen to Arthur Russell instead (oh yeah was *gonna* mention the folk who did sucessfully cross over from teeny to officially recognized Hard Rock, like Shaun and David Cassidy tried to. Peter Frampton from the Herd, at least kind of, like when he was in Humble Pie with Steve Marriott from Small Faces, and of course the Faces did okay. And my own fave rave, from the Amen Corner, Andy Fairweather Low. Eventually disappeared into Eric Clapton's band, which is like being that second guitarist in Mountain, except I'd rather hear more Mountain) (should I? Don't remember anything but "MS. Queen", or West, Bruce & Laing either)

don, Monday, 22 November 2004 08:12 (nineteen years ago) link


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