"the bug" -- what else?

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i like "the bug" on rephlex. who else is making great experimental dub and/or dancehall right now?

notfazed (notfazed), Saturday, 17 April 2004 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

This is great.

I bought it cuz of Strongo.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

ward 21 - u know how we roll

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

And there he is. It's like magic!

What's the Ward 21 all about?

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link

it's just their album from last year. all their big 2003 riddims. they're like the acceptably "experimental" face of straight dancehall.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

also all that german shit that zemko hates, like "pharoah" riddm.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

dj /rupture

JaXoN (JasonD), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

please talk more about german dancehall. it was mentioned as being on the new /rupture disc.

also check out Rhythm & Sound w/Tikiman. basic channel minimalist dub with an mc

JaXoN (JasonD), Sunday, 18 April 2004 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't really understand how Ward 21 are more experimental than anyone else in dancehall (although Jess is right in that this *is* the general perception). Maybe their riddims were a couple of years ago but everyone's pretty much caught up.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 18 April 2004 07:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i liked this for two weeks, but then i got sick of it. funny how that happens.

frankE, Sunday, 18 April 2004 07:15 (seventeen years ago) link

the al-haca soundsystem record on different drummer from last year is pretty good. vapour trail dub w/toasters (eg sizzla)= kinda rhythm & sound-y

mullygrubber (gaz), Sunday, 18 April 2004 07:23 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah. are you typing english there? what the fuck does that mean?

frankE, Sunday, 18 April 2004 07:25 (seventeen years ago) link

fuck off frank

mullygrubber (gaz), Sunday, 18 April 2004 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link

notfazed, you could also track down ice and/or techno animal, which are kevin martin's pre-bug bands. techno animal tends toward a metallic dub-techno with lots of bass. ice more like an industrial dub mix; both ice albums and the last techno animal one have numerous guest rappers who, while good, don't quite inhabit the songs the way he got them to on "pressure." this means the sounds & noises are a bit more foregrounded though, so that's cool.

both get a parental E warning for el-p content, just fyi.

rgeary (rgeary), Sunday, 18 April 2004 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

the split ep with the bug and dj rupture is also worth tracking down just for "imitator," another even noisier bug track with daddy freddy going bananas.

rgeary (rgeary), Sunday, 18 April 2004 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't the last Pole record "Basic Channel minimalist dub with an mc"? That one was terrible.

(Sorry JaXoN)

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 18 April 2004 10:31 (seventeen years ago) link

was it? i must have a listen.

mullygrubber (gaz), Sunday, 18 April 2004 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Rhythm & Sound w/Tikiman

I think you are probably better off with the Burial Mixes as dub, but it is dub that's nothing like the Bug, but is excellent.

___ (___), Sunday, 18 April 2004 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't the last Pole record "Basic Channel minimalist dub with an mc"?

no, it's not that at all (i wish it was). it's very much unlike his previous three albums which do have similarities to bc.

tricky disco (disco stu), Sunday, 18 April 2004 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

rhythm & sound are pretty u+k if you ask me - there's a nice contrast between the bug's claustrophobia and freneticism and the space and float of r&s.

tricky disco (disco stu), Sunday, 18 April 2004 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't the last Pole record "Basic Channel minimalist dub with an mc"? That one was terrible.

(Sorry JaXoN)

why r u sorry?

JaXoN (JasonD), Sunday, 18 April 2004 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

knifehandchop (not a lot on this site at the moment, but useful links) put out a killer track called "Bounty Killer Killer" last year.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 April 2004 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit. I didn't notice the terrible pun until I clicked submit. 'pologies.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 April 2004 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i do reference tech-dub in my bug review, i think.

the 12" with cutty ranks is totally predictable and totally SLAMMING but sounds little like the album.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 18 April 2004 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

for jaxon: http://www.germaica.net/

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 18 April 2004 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

jess, i did a lil googling yesterday and found that site (and it's linked to from soundquake.com. i noticed the riddims you guys mentioned (pharoah, electric riddim, etc). what's the beef? so i'm assuming there's a whole german scene (producers, mcs, etc)? is it just an authenticity issue?

JaXoN (JasonD), Sunday, 18 April 2004 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

beg pardon, er the german stuff comes under experimental now? because of what, dislocation? this is exactly what i meant when i thought its krauthall championers were more concerned with "mutation" and such. except it's not krauthall really, there's no especial stylistic diff, ranges from (quite sweet!) cure riddim to stoopid tech shockwave riddim (still hott, u gon learn! but this might not be german actually) mehness like pharoah to utter dreck like electric boogie. it's not distinct, it's ok, pretty average but how come this stuff always ends up with the bug and dj/rupture and wayne lonesome? when there's so much HEARTBURSTING GOLDEN AGE POP REALNESS out there at the same time seemingly ignored! fuck 'fuck u sign' too

prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

paint me out as pedantic genre gatekeeper if that's all u got on me, it won't stick

prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 18 April 2004 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

There are some other 12" singles on Tigerbeat6's imprint Shockwave (with Soundmurderer, the Bug, /rupture--the only one I have and it's pretty good--and a couple of other people contributing riddims for Wayne Lonesome--mostly I think--to ride). I'd definitely recommend the Ward 21, Elephant Man and Vybz Kartel over almost everything mentioned so far (although I quite like the R&S Burial Mix collection, it's definitely more like the most quiet Bug tracks crossed with the quite nice roots vocals than anything dancehall-y.)

Also Jess is right the Gun Disease EP is currently the best Bug thing available (although there is some newer collection coming out on Rephlex which sounds like it might be quite nice, too.) I know next to nothing about German dancehall though (in fact I didn't know--and I can't imagine how it could be guessed--that any of the riddims fassy just mentioned weren't Jamaican in origin.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I felt a shadow pass over the sun when I saw Rephlex referencing German dancehall. Dancehall comes from British and New York producers as well and is often k-great (ie. indistinguishable from quality Jamaican product - see Seani B's Spanish Fly Riddim obv!!!) but maybe that doesn't have the same sense of oddness as Germans doing it so that stuff doesn't receive the same level of attention.

This doesn't mean German dancehall isn't good (or bad or ugly or whatever) but it's one of those coincidences that will probably come back to haunt us (eg. who knew that when I spoke glowingly about Darqwan in '01 I was inadvertantly equating the best of 2-step with what would quickly become boring bludgeoning droning breaky dubstep crossover tedium??)

(although from the German dancehall stuff I've heard, calling it experimental is about as accurate as calling Bump & Flex experimental ie. it's kind of correct but only insofar as the *entire genre* of dancehall could be considered experimental (this ties into my thesis re Bump & Flex being the unintentional singular manifestation of 2-step's collectively morphing geist 98-01))

(crosspost with Alex in SF's last paragraph)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

alex there are record labels like germaican (e-boogie did have one with a german mc! it were odd) and sometimes there are telling strange tradewinds but yeah my point is sorta yours in that there's nothing in these tunes i can see that justifies experimentalist patronage. and well if they arent german, and/or no on knew then what kinda weird bad cherrypicking is that?!

prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

(oops i'll switch on alert new messages)

prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

cesar riddim was a good example of strange tradewinds, it came to odd shops, and that one was totally jamaican sorta so... it was still kinda good tho!

prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

haha i just remembered how much i liked the first sensational lp! all bets is off!

prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

haha i never said that i thought the german stuff was any more "experimental" than the ward 21 i referenced above it, just commenting on the marketing aspects, re. indie-dub/dancehall. also, i am not stelfox.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i.e. don't get your panties in a wad

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 18 April 2004 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

And if you have to wad your panties up please don't throw them out the window of a moving car on the freeway, okay.

Short One Friend Because of THIS! (Alex in SF), Sunday, 18 April 2004 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

strongo don't worry I didn't get that sense from your post. I don't think that stelfox would argue that german dancehall was more experimental either (although who can say what with the mysterious prima/stelfox beef vortex?). In a funny way it could just be a tyranny of persistance, like, if everyone keeps invoking german dancehall or a specific example of it the chances of it all going horribly wrong are amplified. Like Beatlejuice y'know.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 18 April 2004 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

jess = hero 4 the ward 21 props. german dancehall can be good. it is notr more "experimental" (whatever the fuck that means re dancehall). germaican have been responsible for some good stuff that's worked "back ah yard" too. the german-jamaican axis is not completely divorced from what's going on in kingston and self-contained in any way (not that anyone's saying this), but i can't imagine something like the cure rhythm causing too much of a stir there 1) the references (don't think people will get that it's an interpolation of close to me) 2) it's not very good when you put it against lenky/vendetta productions. and they always have a good bunch of lady voicings on any of their rhythms. if you like the bug, try to get some stuff on the salt shaker rhythm its gutsy, electronic and sparse but (and this is the crucial difference between it and the bug) good! fyi, i detest everything kevin martin turns his hand to. he's a classic example of all things fassy *wrongly* projects onto rupture - "hey i'm making dancehall all edgy" fucking wally. white german mcs you can shove right up your arse, too. i mean, gentleman? i ask you...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 19 April 2004 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

also jess, you never need to type "i am not stelfox" again. no one would ever confuse you with me. you are almost an entire foot taller.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 19 April 2004 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

fassy, however dresses up as me at weekends.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 19 April 2004 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

and i do have a feeling that volkanikman who guests on the interweb remix of brandy's turn it up (at the top of my chart right now) is both german and white. still the ersatz feel of his chatting works quite well here and he's not on the record long enough to get annoying. still think white dancehall deejays are a pretty wack idea in general, though.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 19 April 2004 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link

try - Tim Wright - The Ride (ft Toastie Taylor)

- scuzzy 2step with New Flesh emcees. I'm on the fence about this one, I expected alot from Tim Wright so I should love it, but it turns out I only like it. That said, there's some toasting mid-way thru that sounds like it's taken straight off the 'Grease' OST, but after Elephant's last album nothing's shocking.


Also check - KOOLPOP - a label I always listen to but never buy. And there are plenty of experimental 7"s kicking around in record shops but I've no idea what labels they were on.

white dancehall deejays are a pretty wack idea in general Er.. I can't agree with you on this but that's only in principle. I'd love to stick around and argue but I've really nothing to back up with.

nick.K (nick.K), Monday, 19 April 2004 12:37 (seventeen years ago) link

nick, i see you and raise you Snow!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link

and what about sean paul? and elephant man? not to mention supa kat, lady saw!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The last Venetian Snares album had a track called "Hand Throw" in a very similar vein as The Bug. I asked a similar question about this style of music a few months back and was generally ridiculed for it - god knows why as The Pressure is ruddy excellent.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

and what about sean paul? and elephant man? not to mention supa kat, lady saw!

sterling are you saying these people are white or that people who like the bug shld check them?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

dave, I fold
I was gonna make some point about Yelloman but made the mistake of digging out Snow's - Informer 7" instead, thinking it can't have been that bad.

nick.K (nick.K), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

yellowman was albino - he does not count!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

golly how am i supposed to come back. should i call yall a wack daft tosspot wally or something? tho it's true i am having trouble finding a wig quite like yours dave

recommending salt shaker to go with the bug seems a bit bizzaro disingenuous, but if youre drawing another better line wrt dancehall dislocations then i guess it's a thought yeah. i'm not sure i understand tho. but for good-bug-not-bug i'd heartily champ the new rat trap riddim, if that helps any. nor am i comfy with bug "classic example of all things fassy *wrongly* projects onto rupture - "hey i'm making dancehall all edgy" " (ps er do u really think that's all i meant when i criticized rupture?!), i think i'd leave it at him just having really bad bedroom headbanger gothmosh taste, he still sucks obv but that's not my point. tho perhaps that's just a backhanded way of saying i dont think k-mart is smart enough to be smug or whatever...

also again what's this about ward 21 being experimental?! yeah they tart up their riddims a bit but then so does elephant man, so do lots of mcs, and to much better effect i'd venture to argue. so are they experimental cos only half of their stuff comes off while everyone else's efforts are instant hotness (which then means it's Dancehall in General thats great and fab etc)

prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 19 April 2004 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

voom voom is way better than anything i've heard out of germany... i'll just see if i can dig up a website for them or something

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah they're based in stockholm. http://www.topazrecords.com/

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:29 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
Hi here is VolkanikMan from the interweb remix of Brandy's Turn it up :D !

Just wanted to say hello, coz I found that discussion here in Google ;)!

Bless

VolkanikMan, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 07:54 (fifteen years ago) link

aww!

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:56 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

The new album is really, really fucking good, the tracks with FlowDan on especially. It's kind of the perfect environment for his vocals - nice to see his verse on Bounce make a reappearance here.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Just noticed this thread is for everything that isn't the Bug. Ah well.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link

london zoo is very good, but i have yet been able to handle it all in one sitting.

mark e, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

it's dark and heavy but i don't think as forbidding or hard work as it's been made out to be. loving the flowdan and warrior queen tracks as expected but i think it's hard to beat tippa irie's performance on 'angry'

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link

talking of warrior queen, check her cut on the heatwave's piano riddim, 'things change' <3

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link

"prima fassy"

am0n, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link

One of the all-time great usernames that.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link

'Skeng' comes up on my WMP list as 'Skene' which is sort of off-putting.

NickB, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link

perhaps my problem is that Angry is just so good, the rest of the album falls off afterwards.
admitedly i do need to dedicate more time to this album

mark e, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

The new record is good, but it's not aggressive enough for me; I prefer the Killing Sound singles comp, billed to Razor X Productions (Kevin Martin w/the Rootsman).

unperson, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link

One of the all-time great usernames that.

^^^this

I need to hear this but for me, over time, The Bug seems to have turned into something that's best experienced live - I've always had a total blast whenever him and Warrior Queen have played out

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link

so weird, the first time i saw them live was at a house party for NYE 04/05, i think i drunkenly told warrior queen how amazing she was for about half an hour

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

what else should someone who likes king midas sound seek out of kevin martins? any of his 90s stuff? or any other ambient dub/reggae from other artists? KMS is really lovely.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:24 (eleven years ago) link

There's some similar-ish stuff on Pressure (the Roger Robinson, Paul St Hilaire tunes obv.) Obviously Rhythm & Sound. The Pulshar is really good IMO.

KMS on some influences:
http://kingmidassound.blogspot.com/2009/11/texture-tone-and-grain.html

We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:48 (eleven years ago) link

ta. would have thought massive attacks work with horace myself too but i guess thats obvious.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:47 (eleven years ago) link

We published an interview with King Midas Sound (Kevin Martin, Roger Robinson and Hitomi) today and he plays down the Massive Attack comparison saying they were probably listening to the same albums as the Wild Bunch used to listen to when they were recording. Full interview here.

I know this probably constitutes spam but we've got a micromix of the album done by Kode 9 as well, which I thought may be of interest to hyperdub fans.

Doran, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:39 (eleven years ago) link

hes prob right, but it doesnt stop them sounding a bit similar (in a v good way).

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 21 November 2009 09:06 (eleven years ago) link

"the difference between us and Tricky is that for one, Roger sings"

i think its more that hitomi has a presence like martina that create the tricky comparisons

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 21 November 2009 09:10 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

Anyone happen to have the King Midas Sound FACT mix archived...?

Sensational Howard (admrl), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 01:44 (eleven years ago) link

five months pass...

anyone like the new ep, infected? i dig the reworkings of the two songs from london zoo.

interesting interview of him (by dj/rupture) in some journal called bomb magazine.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 17 January 2011 16:27 (ten years ago) link

i'm more interested in the adrian sherwood collaborations that are due out sometime.

mark e, Monday, 17 January 2011 16:48 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Acid Ragga is pretty great yes?

Aimeej0rd0nian Ghoulcaper (NickB), Monday, 22 October 2012 09:42 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdWZqka5tqY

Aimeej0rd0nian Ghoulcaper (NickB), Monday, 22 October 2012 09:42 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdWZqka5tqY

Aimeej0rd0nian Ghoulcaper (NickB), Monday, 22 October 2012 09:42 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAaFUoiOM-Y

r|t|c, Monday, 22 October 2012 11:27 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

Is anyone at all repping for In Blue by The Bug ft. Dis Fig? It's been on my radar since the announcement (released last month), but I didn't listen/wasn't in the mood until I came across it again on Friday, while combing my Bandcamp wishlist for monochromatic album covers. Only listened to it once so far, but first impression was positive, if not exactly earthshattering. Gonna throw it on in a minute while I make lunch on a cold rainy Sunday, and try to form some more coherent impressions.

I also really vibed with his Dylan Carlson collab from 2017, Concrete Jungle, which seems to have gone unnoticed on ILM.

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Sunday, 20 December 2020 16:46 (eight months ago) link

Yeah, I reviewed it a couple of weeks ago. I also wrote about the Dylan Carlson one.

I did a podcast interview with Martin this year. He's a great guy to talk to.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 20 December 2020 17:24 (eight months ago) link

Good write-ups; I'll check out the podcast too.

I'm glad I'm not the only one hearing Basic Channel on In Blue!

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Sunday, 20 December 2020 17:34 (eight months ago) link

eight months pass...

no chat on the new one? It's big.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Saturday, 28 August 2021 16:36 (three weeks ago) link

this release has proved to me i am no longer on the NT promo list.
though to be fair, i am not surprised.
just a strange feeling given that they were one of first labels to ever send me promos.

back on topic re album : yeah, what i have heard is indeed massive.
a definite step up from the middling 'angels and devils' album.

mark e, Saturday, 28 August 2021 18:51 (three weeks ago) link

also, alongside the bug stuff, kevin has released a LOT in the last year.
the hardest working man in bass music ?

my eldest went to a thing a couple of years back cos Kevin was on the listings.
he managed to get a photo taken with him, and sent it to me just to piss me off.

mark e, Saturday, 28 August 2021 18:57 (three weeks ago) link

i'm more interested in the adrian sherwood collaborations that are due out sometime.

― mark e

still nothing on this.
even within the on-u scene, there is nothing.
such a shame

mark e, Saturday, 28 August 2021 18:58 (three weeks ago) link

The new album's great. Hearing him on various Bug projects has made me into a big fan of Flowdan. I've heard two of his own albums now and they're really good, especially 2019's Full Metal Jacket.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 28 August 2021 19:03 (three weeks ago) link

I enjoyed GOd and the Virgin label compilations that kevin martin curated a few years later but haven't really kept up with what he's done more recently.
So may need to catch up with his work.
Techno Animal were quite good too I think.

Stevolende, Sunday, 29 August 2021 10:55 (two weeks ago) link

'People were no longer arrested for not being vaccinated, now they were just being terminated.'

I could do without this line.

pomenitul, Sunday, 29 August 2021 21:53 (two weeks ago) link

*being terminated

pomenitul, Sunday, 29 August 2021 21:54 (two weeks ago) link

this album is intense.
i f£cking love it.

mark e, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:28 (one week ago) link

It's heavy. "Fire" is right.

Indexed, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:49 (one week ago) link

that dystopian voiceover bit on the intro sounded somewhat anti-vax or just plain bloody stupid and put me off listening further

calzino, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:57 (one week ago) link

so great. projecting some anti-vax bs onto this and thus not listening further is bloody stupid. jeezo!

stirmonster, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 18:15 (four days ago) link

Putting some corny intro with nonsense about executing people that refuse to be vaxxed is bs to me.

calzino, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 18:31 (four days ago) link

i choose to take it as an endorsement of executing anti-vaxxers, a highly sympathetic position, so i can enjoy the rest of the record

adam, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 18:57 (four days ago) link

yeah that wouldn't be a too bad dystopia tbf!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 19:03 (four days ago) link

I've probably wasted too much thought about this, but I don't see how anti-lockdown gels with anti-vaccine unless his idea is that the vaccination is an additional means to control the population, with like a microchip or something.

Honestly, it doesn't bug (ho ho) me that much as it's clearly an anti-authoritarian stance based on a near future scenario. If lockdowns are still going on three years from now, I'll be with Robinson. The world has caught up to the Martin/Broadrick's vision. 90s Techno Animal sounds as fresh as ever.

beard papa, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 23:17 (four days ago) link

i didn't get that he was saying that at all but hey, i probably need my ears syringed. any anti-syringers can eff off.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 23:51 (four days ago) link


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