Prog-Rock Politics

They both also explicitly have drawn influence from medieval music

Working class music is the music the working class listens to. Which, as we all know, is homogenous and easy to pinpoint because all working class people listen to the same music. Glad to have cleared that up for y'all.

both explicitly deal with issues of loneliness and fragmentation in late capitalism

She got that bit from Harry Nilsson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sJj4KTFC_Y

Morton Feldman:

My teacher Stefan Wolpe was a Marxist and he felt my music was too esoteric at the time. And he had his studio on a proletarian street, on Fourteenth Street and Sixth Avenue. . . . He was on the second floor and we were looking out the window, and he said, “What about the man on the street?” At that moment . . . Jackson Pollock was crossing the street. The crazy artist of my generation was crossing the street at that moment.

listen to her last-but-one album The Innocents.

I'm sorry, but I only listen to music if it's been bnm'd by p4k.

No, just kidding, I'll give it a listen.

I don't want to speak on anyone else's behalf but I didn't get the impression anyone was arguing Richard Dawson's music was reactionary *because* it's complex (or knotty or 'difficult' or anything along those lines)? I mean there are aspects of the criticism I don't agree on (I like Dawson's recent stuff a lot!) but I don't think that was the gist of it.

― Gavin, Leeds, vendredi 31 janvier 2020 10:23 (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This certainly came up, though (not specifically wrt Dawson):

Prog is the word here. Middle-class notions of complextiy.

Anyway, I definitely don't think this stuff is more reactionary and regressive than retro-80s Eurotrash or tbh commercial pop music but the dumbass 'stuff white people like' conflation of anything that seems 'cultured' or 'refined' with social/class privilege and, conversely, of vulgar aesthetics with some some kind of lower-class struggle, regardless of the actual class position of the people involved, is a longstanding peeve of mine.

the dumbass 'stuff white people like' conflation of anything that seems 'cultured' or 'refined' with social/class privilege and, conversely, of vulgar aesthetics with some some kind of lower-class struggle

It's also unspeakably condescending.

Richard Dawson serves imperialism

Working class music is the music the working class listens to. Which, as we all know, is homogenous and easy to pinpoint because all working class people listen to the same music. Glad to have cleared that up for y'all.

― pomenitul, Friday, 31 January 2020 bookmarkflaglink

I thought working class music was juvenalia?

For the 95834903th time, you may want to *read* other people's comments before replying to them.

If only because I didn't use that word and it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Rubbing salt in the wound, or is that a joke? I can't tell anymore.

Richard Dawson serves imperialism

― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver)

In general I am going to steer clear of this argument but I got this! I did a lol!

(Also Art Bears rule as much as Slapp Happy do, so I would be totally unable to make a real choice there)

Anyway, I didn't vote in the poll but this butthurt revival is bought to you by the same person who basically said your choices in that poll were, more likely than not, terrible. The bigger joke is that all along were batting for THIS.

And when anyone (such as myself) had a problem with it was basically oh it's just our LJ now casting himself as the poor soldier in a fight for so called complex music us lot can't begin to comprehend.

Well I've seen no evidence to the contrary

that kenny g article in jacobin made a big impact on me too

You want evidence-based discussions talk to Fred

Anyway, I didn't vote in the poll but

Alphie, I'd like you to demonstrate to us, the audience, how and why 'Baby Are You Coming?' is essentially 'working class music'. I would also like you to clarify your grounds for arguing that merely disliking that song and deeming it 'juvenile' – and 'unsexy' (can't leave that one out) – as I did on the tracks rollout thread is an instance of elitist contempt towards the proletariat in general.

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 31 January 2020 bookmarkflaglink

I just want to read the thread without the pain!

Super awesome that you're totally not trolling imago yet can't keep from tripping over your own feet when responding to literally anyone else

you guys really don't like Family Feud huh

Can somebody tell poster Drugs A. Money I am not replying to him? Thanks. No offence, just don't want to trip.

Smooth😎

👍

was dreamily hoping for 54 new posts about the henry cow book but I'll take what i can get

no dunts
no libs
no prog-rock politics

we kick LJ just for fun?

We kick starmer/lj/rentoul/fred b for fun?

From Cardew to Dog Eat Dog, I'm a man of catholic tastes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progg

pleased to meet you, I hope you know my name

xp

no dunts
no libs
no prog-rock politics

― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, January 31, 2020 8:10 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

underrated post

it wasn't!

you never know where your prog will go
prog politics
prog politics
prog politics
prog politics

Cheers,
Raindancer.

― Raindancer, Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:53 AM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Richard Dawson serves imperialism

― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver)

OTM

"Here you go, a steaming plate of imperialism"

-Richard Dawson

no dunts
no libs
no prog-rock politics

A+++

"We shall now demonstrate our solidarity with the proletariat by playing a bassoon solo in 13/8 time" - Robert Wyatt (or was it Ian Anderson?) on Henry Cow.

It's off-kilter, just like economic precariousness.

'It's off-kilter, just like economic precariousness'

I'm stealing this line for an article on the cinema of Sean Baker

As long as you also compare it to prog-rock, you have my blessing.

"We shall now demonstrate our solidarity with the proletariat by playing a bassoon solo in 13/8 time" - Robert Wyatt (or was it Ian Anderson?) on Henry Cow.

Slightly embarrassing, but I thought it was me who said that on ILX?

Hi Robert, it's an honour to make your virtual acquaintance.

Haha I might be confusing a couple of quote sources there! Shall we not mention Magma btw?

ok, i'm gonna put it out there, i think this whole line of criticism is bullshit. "making art for the proletariat", fucking hell you'd think none of us had the example of socialist realism. it's kitsch, ok? socialist realism is kitsch, it's frequently demeaning and insulting propaganda. the sarcastic cardew references in this thread - you know, does anybody really think his post-scratch orchestra music was a good idea?

this idea of a "bassoon solo in 13/8", how is this different from looking at arugula or whatever as somehow an "elitist" food? lindsay cooper wasn't "a bassoon", she was lindsay cooper, she was expressing her truth as a radical queer woman and what, that's somehow less valid because she played the bassoon?

does anybody really think his post-scratch orchestra music was a good idea?

It has its defenders. John Tilbury for one.