brian eno "apollo" - c or d

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ok so i bought music for airports a while ago and was underwhelmed, and kind of decided that maybe brian eno's ambient stuff has been updated and improved by other artists who i'd be better off spending my time and money on. but then i'm in a record shop, and there's this gorgeous ambient tune playing, and i inquire as to who it is, and it's off "Apollo". so i'm forced to re-consider - especially when i buy the album and it's beautiful from start to finish. from reading up on eno, it seems that while this one is respected, it's not perhaps seen as one of his essential records.

so, do you think this is deserving of higher praise? where does it stand when put alongside eno's other records? do you think this is a great record?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 11 April 2004 00:57 (fifteen years ago) link

dear god, yes

poop (poop), Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:24 (fifteen years ago) link

If only there was a Brian Eno "Live At The Apollo Theater" album.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Music For Airports is like Eno's fifth-best ambient album. I don't understand why so many people rate it way above his others. Apollo, On Land, Music For Films, and Thursday Afternoon are all superior, imo... as are his collabs with Fripp, Evening Star and No Pussyfooting.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link

apollo sounds dated (very 80's discovery channel music) but it WORKS.

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 11 April 2004 06:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought Airports was beautiful and effective myself but I haven't heard his other ambient albums.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 11 April 2004 09:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Apollo is magnificent - and I would say Bri's finest ambient moment.

Nigeyb, Sunday, 11 April 2004 09:38 (fifteen years ago) link

The thing about Eno is, he is very Literary, la.

the enofox, Sunday, 11 April 2004 09:58 (fifteen years ago) link

i dont like it. the ablum is kitschy and it comapares badly with enos ambient 2-4. especcialy 4. i think appolo apeals to peolpe who cant apreciate music that has no guitars in it.

:|, Sunday, 11 April 2004 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link

"Apollo" has more synth textures than some of Eno's other records, which might be a reason it is more of a favorite for some people.

I think my favorite is the collaboration with Harold Budd "The Plateaux of Mirrors".

earlnash, Sunday, 11 April 2004 15:00 (fifteen years ago) link

"i think appolo apeals to peolpe who cant apreciate music that has no guitars in it."

this is an idiotic remark

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 11 April 2004 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link

"An Ending (Ascent)" it's a dope track
it's got guitars on it cuz it's s'posed to sound "American" for the Space Cowboys
kitchy? wtf dude, that guy used to dress up like peacock... cut em sum slack

sexyDancer, Sunday, 11 April 2004 16:12 (fifteen years ago) link

ok maybe i'm being a bit harsh. your remark actually makes some sense. i played the album this morning - and my brother (who only likes rock music) came in. during the first half he was expressing disquiet at the album's uneventful nature. he warmed to it a little in the second half (which puts greater emphasis on lanois' slide guitar).

so yes, apollo may be the ambient record for rock fans. BUT this doesn't mean that people who like non-guitar records don't appreciate it as well. which may have been what you were implying, i'm not sure.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 11 April 2004 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link

it was my bad. i shuold have made claerer that i didnt mean "apeals ONLY to people" etc. also i am bringing my beef with keith fullerton withmans playthroughs into this which i probably shouldnt.

:|, Sunday, 11 April 2004 16:28 (fifteen years ago) link

"An Ending (Ascent)" is probably the prettiest thing Eno has done with (more or less) the same progression as "The Big Ship" from "Another Green World" (see also: "Spinning Away," etc.). It's actually quite remarkable how well the music goes with the truly inspiring "For All Mankind" movie.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:46 (fifteen years ago) link

what beef do you have with kfw's playthroughs (which I haven't heard yet; I've only heard one hrvatski album and I'm not crazy about it)

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 11 April 2004 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link

the album is kitschy and it compares badly with enos ambient 2-4.

if apollo is kitschy, ambient 3: day of radiance must be. it's an album of dulcimer music! i think they're both pretty good though.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 11 April 2004 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I never understood why Eno classed some albums with the "ambient" title and not others. There doesn't seem to be much of a thread b/w 1-4 that isn't echoed in all of his other ambient records (and Day of Radience was even credited to Larajji rather than Eno). Did it just become irrelevant after a point? Anyway, Apollo is okay, but along with Radiance and Neroli, at the bottom of my list of ambient eno to listen to (I'm still inordinately fond of the Shutov Assembly).

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 11 April 2004 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

i think he just stopped numbering them after 4. those were the first four released, right?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 11 April 2004 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link

what beef do you have with kfw's playthroughs

i think taht playthrougs got a lot of praise because all the rock fans went "omg hes using my favroite instrumnet to make this." but the music istelf is boring.samething with apollo.

:|, Sunday, 11 April 2004 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link

"it was my bad."

on re-reading this thread, it was definitely my bad. i shall consider all the possible implications of comments before dismissing them as idiotic in future. apologies.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 11 April 2004 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link

i wasn't even aware that playthroughs accrued any significant amount of acclaim, and really how much of that came through non-idm/electro/drone channels? but whatever. you seem drunk.

m., Sunday, 11 April 2004 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link

back on topic, i too love "an ending (ascent)" from this album. used nicely in "traffic", if you recall. haven't heard any of the other ambient albums in full, but "music for airports" and "on land" are some of my favourite things. ('leeks hills' jus' kills me every time).

m., Sunday, 11 April 2004 22:44 (fifteen years ago) link

the "traffic" thing = otm! after the final scene of that movie i sat in the theatre watching them play out the baseball game while the credits rolled (couldn't you hear the sound of metal bats connecting with baseballs too? the whole thing totally redeemed a mediocre movie for me) and i kept saying WHAT IS THIS, I KNOW THIS and then forgot all about it until i was listening to "atmosphere" weeks later and it hit me.

....and i sat through "traffic" again about a month weeks later, when someone asked me to go and i didn't want to go, just waiting for that last scene and it was still fantastic. thanks brian eno.

a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Sunday, 11 April 2004 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link


a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Sunday, 11 April 2004 23:37 (fifteen years ago) link

And old pal used to refer to it as "Dobros on the Moon," which works for me.

Lee G (Lee G), Monday, 12 April 2004 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link

"Under Stars" (the slowed-down one) is great.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 12 April 2004 15:19 (fifteen years ago) link

side 2's great for slow dancin' with the sweetheart.

sexyDancer, Monday, 12 April 2004 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I haven't heard all of Eno's ambient albums, but this is my favorite of the few that I have. It doesn't sound dated to me, maybe just a tone here or there. (and dated isn't much of a criticism in my view, so long as it's the right kind of dated).
Everybody always mentions 'An Ascent' but I'll take 'Always Returning' any day of the week.

oops (Oops), Monday, 12 April 2004 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...
plateaux of mirror is my fave of the eno "ambient" albums ones i know. it's not ambient in the clinic aural wallpaper sense like music for airports e.g. it is warm and impressionistic with a strong introspective and melodic touch. apollo is fine as well. the last tracks with lanois on guitar though bother me slightly as they get more and more countryish. as if to underline the fact that apollo was an american mission!

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Sunday, 22 August 2004 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link

alex in mainhattan, Plateaux of Mirror is a favorite of mine too. It ties with Apollo and Music for Film. If you haven't you might want to check Music for Film out.

steve hise, Sunday, 22 August 2004 12:52 (fifteen years ago) link

music for films is one of my faves too. check that other eno thread, steve! do you know thursday afternoon? the next eno album on my wishlist. i have most others.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I know Thursday Afternoon. It might be too aural-wallpapery not to put you off. It's just him, no sound effects, plinking away at a piano for an hour. Patterns get repeated, but the deliberate meditativeness is never dispelled by any kind of climactic *MOMENT*. Good music to sleep to, or read to, or to have on in the background to stare out the window.

steve hise, Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll defend Music For Airports as being his best or most successful ambient record (Discreet Music coming in 2nd) specifically for it's starkness or "clinical" wallpaper sound. That's what the intention of the ambient music was. When warmth or impressionism enter the mix, it ends up bringing the ambient music more into the foreground of the listener's attention, when it's supposed to (by Eno's original definition) stay as far in the background as possible.

Bits of Apollo are good, but alot of it is pap. Particularly most of side two if I remember correctly.

Joseph Pot (STINKORâ„¢), Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I blame Daniel Lanois.

mzui, Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link

ascent has become a staple for film directors now, and threatens to become cliché. but i think it's durable like the moonlight sonata.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:24 (fifteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

Saw "The Apollo Project's" (Larry Campbell, David Torn, Mike Gordon, itsnotyouitsme, Jeff Parker and Noveller) live version of Apollo when I was in NYC last week and man it was tremendously great.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 12 January 2012 01:27 (eight years ago) link

seven years pass...

Has anyone bought the expanded reissue?

Duke, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:10 (five months ago) link


TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:19 (five months ago) link

Haha. All I could find was this Pitchfork review by a certain Alfred Soto, whoever the hell he is supposed to be...

Duke, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:20 (five months ago) link

It's a fave album of mine, and I have the new version, just haven't gotten around to it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:25 (five months ago) link

I think I'll have to get it. Also a fave of mine

Duke, Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:51 (five months ago) link

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