Been listening to early Verve

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This has really been impressing me! Unlike their latter stuff, which i don't like particularly, the circa '93 stuff is much rawer? Anyway, i'd like some recommendations of similar music, perhaps bands on the UK scene, or whatever...

Rick Jane, Friday, 9 April 2004 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought this would be about the record label.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 9 April 2004 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Does "Gravity Grave" and "Blue" count as early Verve? If so, I didn't mind'em.

Maybe check out the entirely grittier Thee Hypnotics (who copped a much bigger Stooges stance).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 April 2004 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes Alex, thats exactly what i've been listening to! I picked up some bootleg material and also been listening to "a storm in heaven", its mainly the guitars that sound better, not sure if "wall of sound" is the correct expression... I'll check out your recommendation, just hope the guitars are good :)

Rick Jane, Friday, 9 April 2004 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link

If you haven't checked it out yet, No Come Down (by the Verve)is excellent.

innercitykitty (innercitykitty), Friday, 9 April 2004 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link

All the Verve's early singles are phenomenal.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 9 April 2004 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link

It's very obscure, but you should seek Drop's Within And Beyond (Chapter 22 Records); less rockin', but more blissed out than early Verve.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Friday, 9 April 2004 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link

I believe they faded away after this one album, which was released in 1991.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Friday, 9 April 2004 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Now I want to find out more about this Drop band! So Dave if you're still lurking on here.

As part of a separate project I've been doing my head in with "Slide Away" more than a few times this past week.

"I was thinking maybe we could go OUTSIIIIDE..."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2007 05:45 (twelve years ago) link

Let the night sky cool our foolish minds.

It just makes me unhappy, thinking of what is to come. :-(

Masonic Boom, Friday, 20 July 2007 10:24 (twelve years ago) link

Which song is it that has the lyric that's something like "with trees turn bright / spread arms to heaven / I'll bend them back / I'll bend them agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiin" and wtf actually IS Dickie singing?

I still like a lot of ANS and some of UH, but not enough.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 20 July 2007 10:41 (twelve years ago) link

i remember drop's logo it was kind of like 5:30's. they were english, i think they did a couple of 12"s, i seem to remember they were at the more rocking, loop-y end of the shoegazing spectrum

cw, Friday, 20 July 2007 10:56 (twelve years ago) link

UH is right.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:36 (twelve years ago) link

Eh?

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:42 (twelve years ago) link

Er.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:43 (twelve years ago) link

Hm.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:51 (twelve years ago) link

UH is shite. End of.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:51 (twelve years ago) link

i seem to think there was a Drop track on one the Select free tapes that i liked ..

mark e, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:53 (twelve years ago) link

I still like BSS occasioanlly, and I really like Catching The Butterfly.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:54 (twelve years ago) link

Where is Kerr to beat me up for asserting that?

Masonic Boom, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:57 (twelve years ago) link

i thought my best years had left me behind/
but i watch them *COME BACK!*

that was my fave early VERVE moment.

pisces, Friday, 20 July 2007 13:18 (twelve years ago) link

Three years gone, and still nobody has any suggestions? By now i'm sure you've stumbled upon most of the titles listed below and probably much much more, but, for the sake of thread continiuity...

Yeah, those early Verve singles, the EP and No Come Down are really were it's at.

Verve - No Come Down
Catherine Wheel - Ferment
James - Wah Wah
Money Mark - Mark's Keyboard Repair
Nightmares on Wax - Smoker's Delight

christoff, Friday, 20 July 2007 14:43 (twelve years ago) link

I'm vaguelly intrigued by James' Wah Wah. It's Eno produced, isn't it?

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 20 July 2007 14:56 (twelve years ago) link

Yup. Actually relistened to it recently, it's...well, it's there. Has moments.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2007 14:57 (twelve years ago) link

Oh wait, you want suggestions for similar stuff?

Try "Brown Hearts" by the Early Years, it's psychedelic and acheing and soaring and yeah, Eno-approved.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 20 July 2007 14:58 (twelve years ago) link

James really were the great also-rans of the pre-Britpop era, weren't they?

henry s, Friday, 20 July 2007 15:00 (twelve years ago) link

I'm vaguelly intrigued by James' Wah Wah. It's Eno produced, isn't it?

yup.
there was also a 30 minute 2 track ep lifted from the album produced by Sabres/Weatherall that takes chunks of the album, way out into the ambient dub excess that was popular back then.
been years since i heard Wah Wah .. will dig it out next week, to see if it stands the test of time ..

mark e, Friday, 20 July 2007 15:12 (twelve years ago) link

xpost : re neds post. soz

mark e, Friday, 20 July 2007 15:13 (twelve years ago) link

there was also a 30 minute 2 track ep lifted from the album produced by Sabres/Weatherall that takes chunks of the album, way out into the ambient dub excess that was popular back then.

This I own, and it's v. good. Drag it out for a listen every so often.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2007 15:13 (twelve years ago) link

James really were the great also-rans of the pre-Britpop era, weren't they?

James really were the great also-rans of the pre-Britpop era, weren't they?

Fixed :P

Colonel Poo, Friday, 20 July 2007 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

James were hardly also-rans at the time! They were massive!

Or maybe that's going by T-shirts rather than album sales. But still.

It was that whole Sit Down/Laid era you couldn't move for James fans.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 20 July 2007 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I was just fixing the great part, which was what stuck out most :P

Although I did buy Gold Mother when I was about 14. And I did like a couple of singles around Laid time.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 20 July 2007 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

...and the final James album Pleased to Meet You is their most realized effort altogether. They manage to retain all their early exuberance and later ambient adventures into a very mature, yet far from boring, effort. Their musicianship is finely honed, the topics are real, and the whole package bubbles like a fine french saucier.

christoff, Friday, 20 July 2007 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

why did i ever stop listening to A Storm In Heaven? it's a freaking amazing record.

piscesx, Thursday, 12 July 2012 05:51 (seven years ago) link

Nick McCabe's guitar always reminded me of Richard Thompson, something about the tone.
There's quite a few boots from 92-94 that are worth getting. Not sure if any are being torrented right now but watch out for them when they are.

Also the '98 live gig that was televised is very worth tracking down. Its after they became famous but Nick McCabe has returned after an absence and some of the spaciness has returned to the sound.
I'm not a big fan of their really popular stuff, the 3rd lp & surrounding singles but I think it may be thanks to his absence. Band sounds way less spacey without him.

Stevolende, Thursday, 12 July 2012 07:10 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

nice Quietus piece about the debut.

http://thequietus.com/articles/13826-verve-a-storm-in-heaven

piscesx, Saturday, 16 November 2013 10:10 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

Is it possible to get hold of their first radio session for Hit the North (Mark Radcliffe) on BBC Radio 5 from Feb 1992? I believe the tracklisting is

She's a Superstar
All in the Mind
Slide Away
(plus another)

Can anyone help?

OutdoorFish, Sunday, 29 December 2013 22:34 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldFLTTVSCDs

Bee OK, Thursday, 2 January 2014 07:02 (five years ago) link

i know that is not what you were looking for but i found it and posted it, though it's not very good. i do own everything this band did release so you have inspired some Verve listening for tomorrow. which i'm now looking forward to.

Bee OK, Thursday, 2 January 2014 07:14 (five years ago) link

According to McCabe and Jones, there are 2CD deluxe editions of A Storm In Heaven and A Northern Soul ready to go but Ashcroft won't sign off and the record label doesn't believe the expense of doing it will be "viable"

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 3 January 2014 02:58 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

i says here it was a peel session, but what i'm thinking of was definitely Hit the North

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOj6hj28LMc

OutdoorFish, Saturday, 7 June 2014 00:45 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

it's really striking/eerie how much "see you in the next one" sounds like it could be on Lazer Guided Melodies...

brimstead, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:53 (four months ago) link

Not normally my style of music, but I really like A Storm in Heaven. I only own it as an advance promo cassette, it soundtracked a number of great driving trips back then.

confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 17:53 (four months ago) link

I listened to Storm in Heaven and A Northern Soul really loud in the car the other day. I have no idea what Nick McCabe is up to. He's astonishing.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 18:59 (four months ago) link

There's something about NIck McCabe's guitar sound that always reminds me of Richard Thompson.
I need to get hold of that expanded box set of the first lp.
Still not got around to it.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:25 (four months ago) link

the drop in quality from Storm in Heaven to A Northern Soul was so disappointing at the time

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:25 (four months ago) link

lol wrong

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:28 (four months ago) link

all the songs (except for the last one, which as pointed out sounds more like an early Spiritualized song) blur together for me, the similarity is just a wash. A Northern Soul is the transitional album, but it has more variety, actual songs qua songs etc.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:29 (four months ago) link

A Northern Soul is wonderful too, albeit not quite for the same reasons. They all are, frankly – even Forth isn't half bad..

pomenitul, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:29 (four months ago) link

That said, the s/t EP is the one I've played the most.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:30 (four months ago) link

I just realized R Ashcroft is married to Kate Radley! and she is very tall.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:32 (four months ago) link

I've just 'found' the Voyager 1 live album which I'd not previously been aware of. It sounds fantastic and McCabe is on one.

I think A Northern Soul sounds like a 'younger' album in a number of ways. It might just be that Ashcroft's weird mix of saying thank you to girls and misplaced messianic fervour is more pronounced. Either way, it's still magnificent.

Didn't he, ah, pinch KR off Jason Pierce?

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:38 (four months ago) link

Yeah, I know they toured together in 92. Not sure if that's when it happened.
Spiritualised and Verve, like

Stevolende, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:43 (four months ago) link

Yep, that was the start of it. RA and KR were together by A Northern Soul.

Which I happened to listen to on Tuesday, and which is still awesome. Obsessed with dying alone and being grateful for sex. So adolescent. But so powerful. And the guitar, holy fuck. No one since.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:39 (four months ago) link

pierce and ashcroft have a similar way with cliched/meaningless song titles

mookieproof, Thursday, 8 August 2019 01:17 (four months ago) link

I wonder if Ashcroft wrote the So It Goes 'I'm just a poor little wifeless fella' coda for JP?

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 August 2019 09:57 (four months ago) link

Didn't he, ah, pinch KR off Jason Pierce?

― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, August 7, 2019 9:38 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, and I'm glad he did, because it lead to Pierce writing 'Broken Heart'

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 8 August 2019 11:46 (four months ago) link


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