The Technology of Old Skool Rave

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In the same vein as the 80's synthpop thread.. what synths did bands like Altern8 and 2 Bad Mice use, and are there any good VST emulations? I really need some nasty sounds and the VSTs I have are mostly far too 'shiny'.

don, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link

The Roland Juno 106 was pretty popular for pads and bass sounds...it's Analog and has that sloppy / heavy sound that can be hard to replicate w/ VSTs. The Sequential Prophet 5 was another popular analog synth for the 'ardcore crowd.

The main reason why synths like these were used so much in early 90s house / techno / hardcore is that they were already old (and therefore relatively cheap to pick up second-hand) by then. Now that they've achieved cult status the prices have gone way back up. I saw a Prophet 600 (like the 5 but with MIDI) going for $600+ recently.

mmmmsalt (Graeme), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link

nearly all the rave acts i saw live had an sh 101 or 202, a tb 303 and an 808 or 909 as well as the junos and sequentials. for that authentic rave sequencing, get an atari and an s1000 for yr samples.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Dr. T's sequencing, right?!?!?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link

heh.. i'm not THAT old school, stir. though i do use a tracker..

don, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link

the Korg M1 was BIG

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Akai samplers are practically given away these days...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Dr. T's sequencing, right?!?!?

No, Cubase or Notator.

David (David), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link

also the Roland D-50 and JD900 (more for techno perhaps) - this was the time the digital synth was really taking hold and getting serious and they were reasonably priced it seemed, producers seemed happy to combine them with whatever cheap analogue they could find e.g. SH-101 for (sub)basslines

Liam Howlett famously basing his whole set-up around the Roland W-30 sampling workstation, right up until after the recording of The Fat Of The Land

Urban Shakedown's 'Some Justice' was recorded using two Amigas with tracker software (sourced sounds via MIDI ala Atari ST)

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I remember when I had an atari 1040 with 2mg it was hype at the time. I have just achieved pure joy this year with the latest version of cubase and reason though.

If you are using cubase there is plenty of stuff out there to try, I use reason with distortion to create some NASTY sounds. Although it takes patience, you learn to do with what you got though, and milk it for all its worth.

hector (hector), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Agreed, the Scream 4 unit can give out some insane noise.

the impossible shortest special path! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link

w - 30s were an absolute headfuck to use but the results were amazing.

an old atari 1040 will still give the tightest midi of any computer ever made. seriously, on the midi side it'll out perform a g5 hands down. try programming triplet hi hats and hear the difference!

stirmonster, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link

i just use the Renoise tracker program with samples and VSTs. I know the basics of synth sound design but i'd rather not be fucking around with programming and just get multi-samples of the relevant hardware synths.. the suggestions here have been most helpful. thanks everyone.

(xpost)

don, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Hollow Sun has an amazing selection of vintage and analog synth sounds for free download. They're multisampled for the Akai S5/6000, but you can convert .akp programs for whatever sampler you're using with the demo version of CDXtract

mmmmsalt (Graeme), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link

if we are including hoover tracks.... the Roland Alpha Junos are the source of the hoover/mentasm bass sound. they are very cheap.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link

cause that is the only fun sound on em.

Well that and the pole position sound

hector (hector), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link

probably true but i think that you wouldn't even need to sell 50 copies of your uber-hip electro-hoover record to make the money back. isnt there a rack unit too? that is probably even cheaper.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I've been trying to figure out what all the bleep-n-bass people used to get the uh bleeps but with no luck - can anyone help me out?

(& haha k-thanx for starting this thread, don)

etc, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I've been trying to figure out what all the bleep-n-bass people used to get the uh bleeps but with no luck - can anyone help me out?

You mean the early '90s bleep stuff - LFO etc. ?? It really is nothing more complex than a sine wave (for both the very low bass and the high melodies). The high ones would generally have reverb and/or delay on as well. The Akai sampler range conveniently supplied a default sine wave 'test tone' sample that was ideal for the purpose. The Yamaha DX range can also be set up very easily to generate a pure sine wave. I'm surprised that you couldn't figure that out.

David (David), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 09:42 (sixteen years ago) link

sorry, I should have phrased that better - I was interested in what samplers had the famous test tones & so on (eg Sweet Exorcist's "Testone" haha). any particular Akai samplers? s2000? thanks.

(I have no idea (or, currently, access) whatsoever about the technology or the music theory involved.)

etc, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 10:35 (sixteen years ago) link

s1000


for yr more rave bleeps - n joi, altern 8, strictly underground etc., the roland sh 101 was the main source.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 10:44 (sixteen years ago) link

All Akai samplers since the S900 have powered up with a test program and a number of basic waveform samples including a sine. So exactly the same result could be (and was) achieved on S900, S950, S1000, S3000, S2000 and presumably other, more recent models.

David (David), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 10:55 (sixteen years ago) link

for yr more rave bleeps

You mean when it has an almost brassy rasp to it (not the tinkly, pure sine sound)? Yes an analog synth (or sample of one) would be used to produce that raspier sound. Not necessarily an SH-101 though. Could be anything.

David (David), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 11:01 (sixteen years ago) link

mmmmsalt, that site is a goldmine. thanks, bigtime.

don, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Woah... I second that mmmsalt....nice to see some less common stuff for download...the Drumtrax is something I've been looking for for a while. And the VL-tone...excellent.

winterland, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link

that site is a goldmine

Isn't it? I couldn't believe my luck when I first stumbled across it...

By the way, if anyone is using an MPC, Hollow Sun also have a bunch of classic drum machine / beatbox kits with pgms already laid out and made available for the MPC1000 via akaipro.com. Should work on the 2000 / 2000xl / 4000 as well as the 1000.

mmmmsalt (Graeme), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

sixteen years pass...

https://themagusproject.bandcamp.com/

2 eps of old school rave noise that have been extracted from recently found DATs by one of the folks from The Auteurs ('The Cellist').
despite the age of these tracks, they still sound wonderful.

mark e, Friday, 22 May 2020 18:52 (one week ago) link

as per thread title :

Made with: Cubase, Sequential Circuits Pro-1, Roland JX3P, Akai S1000, Roland S760, Yamaha FX500, Roland Juno 60. As far as I can remember.

mark e, Friday, 22 May 2020 18:55 (one week ago) link


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