Blackboard Jungle Dub

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
... or "Upsetters 14 Dub Blackboard Jungle", to give its proper title. Just bought this yesterday, it's a reissue of the original Jamaican mix and pressing - 14 tracks, I don't believe this version of the album has ever been available on CD before. I didn't even know this had been released yet but I got it secondhand, which suggests that some damn fool of a journalist sold his review copy - his loss, my gain. The opening track, "Black Panta" is possibly the greatest opening track in the history of recorded music. I've never owned this album before but I'd be interested to know how this reissue compares to previous reissues.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I have that track that begins

"Blackboard Jungle. Part Two. Rrrrrrrrrrrghhh Rrrrrrrrrrghhh"

on a CD, forget the name right now...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:59 (seventeen years ago) link

"Drum Rock", I think.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Oooh this is probably my favourite Lee Perry album.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I was wondering about this the other day because I couldn't find Wailing Souls at Channel One, but I didn't buy it. CD case has ROUNDED CORNERS.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

A well rounded Lee Perry album?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes the CD case is very unusual, it's a very nice package all round(ed)

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

My understanding is that the history of Blackboard Jungle is a complicated one involving multiple mixes and multiple releases under the same name.

The version I've known for years is this one: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003LSO.01._PE_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I assumed it was the real thing, but I'm assured by those who know better that it bears little relationship to the original (some shared rhythms, I think). The original version, I think, was this one: http://www.upsetter.net/scratch/images/sleeves/slv-blackboard.jpg

(More detail on this version here: http://www.upsetter.net/scratch/disco/upsetters/upsetters_blackboard.html including reference to another (CD) version witha different name containing all the stuff.)

I know there was a CD reissue a few years ago (on VP? Maybe, nasty computer designed blu-ish ) which called itself "Original Blackboard Jungle Dub" and seemed to be making a case for itself being the real thing but I never worked out what relationship it bore to any of the other pressings. I mean, there are only so many Scratch records one can consider buying.

Haven't seen the version you've bought, but I do get a bit sick of the constant re-cycling and re-selling of Perry stuff. This page: http://www.upsetter.net/scratch/disco/bogus.htm gives a fairly amusing account of some of the bogus Upsetter business being sold.

I like the sound of rounded edges.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:24 (seventeen years ago) link

This new reissue is the definitive version, see below:

"The second album from the new Auarlux label is the benchmark Upsetters 14 Dub Blackboard Jungle, produced by Lee Perry and mixed by both King Tubby and Perry. Recorded in 1973, Blackboard Jungle was one of the first dub albums ever to be released and one of Perry's finest to date... this record received only a 300 copy Jamaican pressing at the time, but has since been issued in various guises to differing levels of quality. As no tapes exist -- their whereabouts being the subject of much speculation -- Auralux acquired a mint copy of the original pressing which they dubbed and mastered for this release. In addition to the Blackboard Jungle album. Also included are four unreleased treasures from the Black Ark studio. Extensive sleeve notes written by David Katz, author of the Lee Perry biography."

Most reissues only have 12 tracks and those were remixed by Brad Osbournne at Clocktower Records - somewhat akin to paintin over the Mona Lisa I'd have thought!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:32 (seventeen years ago) link

ok ... judging from this page (http://www.upsetter.net/scratch/disco/collections/collect_scratchattack.html) it seems the "fake" album posted above, with the helmeted lion, has the same tracks as the actual Blackboard LP but they've been retitled.

ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:37 (seventeen years ago) link

That Lee Perry site is very useful because there are so many bogus albums about - I think it really needs to be updated more tho and can we have one for ALL reggae artists please, ha ha!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Ryan, I think that version contains the Brad Osbourne remixing which Dadaismus refers to above.

"Definitive" is a tricky business in Scratch's case, of course: one look at the history of "Heart of the Congos" shows that very clearly, with rumours of at least 5 different versions of the LP, all down to Scratch.

The sleeve I liked to first is a Clocktower version, the one with an actual Blackboard on the cover is - I think - Perry's own work.

Good to see people apparently taking care over this stuff, though.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Good to see people apparently taking care over this stuff, though.

Amen to that!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't buy it because I was TAKING CARE.

*ruffles own hair*

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

damn, and i just bought the Clocktower version. does anyone know when the reissue is out?

ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't believe the hype. All the versions I've ever heard of this, both vinyl and CD, have been basically the same. Including the two covers printed above, which only differ in the inclusion/exclusion of one or two tracks, not in the mix. Blackboard Jungle has been on CD for a while.

bugged out, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, if you say so.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link

(Actually, scratch that! Ho ho. Or part of it. Those two covers are different versions--but the red one, which is the original, has been on CD for years.)

bugged out, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

... except it's not the original as it only has 12 tracks

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

... except the question of "original" is somewhat moot here. Maybe there are some new tracks ("adding four previously unreleased, and suitably adventurous Upsetter pieces" it sez here), I doubt the mixes are different.

bugged out, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

oops .... it sez here.

A great great album, nonetheless!

bugged out, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not really moot, a 14 track album called "Upsetters 14 Dub Blackboard Jungle" was released in Jamaica in 1973, 300 copies were pressed. It was subsequently re-pressed as a 12 track album. Subsequent reissues have been based on the second pressing. I don't know if these first two pressings are different mix-wise but the Clocktower re-issue was supposedly re-mixed by Brad Osbourne, who got the masters under dubious circumstances from Perry's ex-partner, Pauline Morrison.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Now I'm worried about my Clocktower "King Tubbys meets Rockers Uptown", hmm.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha ha. No that's fine as far I know!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

The original authentic truly real 300 copies found at the bottom of a pit outside King Tubby's studio in Jamaica where they've been left since 1972!

I dunno, maybe it is something different, I'd definitely like to check it out. (Maybe if Steve Barrow sez so, tee hee). Just tend to be sceptical about this stuff for reasons given by others above.

bugged out, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

David Katz is involved in it and he virtually worships Lee Perry as a God - so I don't think there's any ripoffs being pulled

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I'm not saying it's a ripoff. I just wonder how different it actually is from previous versions.

If the sound is significantly better that would be worth something in itself. Although there was always a certain charm about the invariably warped and highly crackly Clocktower vinyl, seemed to be appropriate to the lurching, raggedy rhythms.

bugged out, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Mr Mime, I don't know which Clocktower pressing you have but the one on that label I have heard matches the version on Heartbeat / Shanachie and the one on Rockers, so I think you'll be OK with that.

Dadaismus, the point is that Perry released things and then carried on working on them (or at least had multiple 'finished' versions, none of which was necessarily definitive). This is why I think it's best not to be too trenchant about 'original', and certainly not about 'definitive'.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Ahhhh,thanks Dada/Tim. I was relieved to find it did indeed start w/someone saying "LION", that's some sign of authenticity I think. Pity I don't have Blackboard Jungle yet. I got Super Ape tho, I'm really liking these cheapass bootleg vinyl things I'm getting

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Dadaismus, the point is that Perry released things and then carried on working on them (or at least had multiple 'finished' versions, none of which was necessarily definitive). This is why I think it's best not to be too trenchant about 'original', and certainly not about 'definitive'.

Of course, so let's agree that this a re-issue of an album called "Upsetters 14 Dub Blackboard Jungle", which was released in Jamaica in 1973. Not the definitive or final "Blackboard Jungle" perhaps but the first.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Dum-di-dum... My 12-track cd copy of "Original" Black Board Jungle Dub, gotten several years ago, has Perry on the cover - in a blue helmet, in front of a drum kit...

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I am so buying this today.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Remixed by Roc-a-fella?

(just testing)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Although there was always a certain charm about the invariably warped and highly crackly Clocktower vinyl, seemed to be appropriate to the lurching, raggedy rhythms.

Exactly! I have the Lion w/ Helmet version on vinyl and the hiss and cracks are insane on some tracks yet they actually do seem to make sense in that whole hazy Perry sound.

Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i had a listen to some of the new one at lunchtime. it is also very obviously dubbed from vinyl. sounded OK tho'.

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i have the lion in a helmet version (what a sweet cover for my early dub explorationn!) on lp, and it might as well be an ashtray, buckled as it is. any links to the new CD issue (US,UK)?

Beta (abeta), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Bugged Out posted this link upthread: http://www.boomkat.com/artist.cfm?artist=UPSETTERS%20%5BLEE%20PERRY%2FKING%20TUBBY%5D

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Blimey though, the Blood & Fire Satta rhythm LP mentioned in that review is tremendous all the way through. Like many rhythm albums, it is not to be consumed at one sitting, however.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Is this the one whose original pressing had 3 mixes: left channel, right channel, and stereo?

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

aw man, this is a UK (re)release.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Rounded corner case makes it EVEN MORE DIFFICULT to get the booklet out!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 8 April 2004 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

these rounded CD cases first appeared about a year ago. I acquired a couple of CDs using them in quick succession and assumed it was going to become the new standard. But until the Upsetters, I haven't seen one again since

(btw, Sounds of the Universe has Wailing Souls at Channel One if you're still looking for this, PJM)

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:09 (seventeen years ago) link

That's where I went, Zebedee. They must have sold out for a while. Mind you, I didn't ask for fear of ridicule. Who was it that said the best music makes you fell like you're sixteen?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:19 (seventeen years ago) link

haha, I want to ask them if they had the new Jazzman records 7" with France Gall on the A-side (it wasn't in the 7" racks) but was too scared to ask. are we sad or what?

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:23 (seventeen years ago) link

HMV.co.uk says this was released Monday just gone. It's £13.99. I need it, don't I?

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:40 (seventeen years ago) link

You can get it cheaper if you shop around. I don't know what the four bonus tracks are doing on it - I'd rather they weren't there at all. Not that they're bad, they just don't belong there, being from entirely the wrong period an' all.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 8 April 2004 09:43 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Who does the DJ voicing on Dub Organizer? Anyone know? Dillinger possibly?


Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, Dillinger!

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I had a listen to this on a listening post. It was good. But I didn't buy it. I did get Wailing Souls at Channel One though. 9.99 at HMV. Also available in the same shop for 16.99.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks, Tim!

trojan have bunged out Blackbd Jungle themselves as part of a 2CD set with Cloak and Dagger and Revolution Dub.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Hm I wonder if someone's pirating something?

I understand that BJD is a recognised classic but I love C&D more.

PJM: how's the mastering on that Wailing Souls comp? What I know of the content (I suppose about a third of it) is tremendous.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Revolution Dub the best. Funny thing is the Trojan release that I'm talking about doesn't look like a Trojan release - also it was £10 in HMV - if they'd have stuck it in a card sleeve in the new Trojan 'brand' style they could have charged £15, as with the recent T. Zukie, Sly and Robbie, etc releases. Wierd.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Less than a month after shelling out a tenner for "Blackboard Jungle Dub", this appears. Curses on you Trojan, you incompetent schwein you. But actually no, because I didn't own either "Cloak and Dagger" or "Revolution Dub" before so didn't mind getting three brilliant albums on one CD for 8 quid (from Avalance in Edinburgh folks). If you don't buy this CD you're all mad, madd I tell you. "Cloak and Dagger" is great, halfway between an Upsetters instrumental album and a dub album - actually it is a dub album but because it was released a year before "dub albums" were invented it's not usually referred to as one. "Revolution Dub" is fabulous, but where can one find the original of "Woman Gotta Have It", I believe it's by Bunny Clarke??!?!?

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I have it on a Trojan LP called "Shocks of Mighty" which came out in about 1987 or '88. Yes it's Bunny Clarke. That same LP has a murderously good version of "Be Thankful (For What You've Got)" cunningly called "Be Thankful".

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man, got to find a copy of that "Shocks of Mighty" album, I love the dub version and I love Bobby Womack's orig.

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Listening to it on headphones, the usual scratchy seven-inch distorted disc dubs that Pressure Sounds fans know and love so much. Do they deliberately go out and look for extra-knackered records?

I don't usually moan about this sort of thing in case it makes me look less hardcore.

It's still nice to listen to, though.

You can get it on vinyl too, which saves you the trouble of knackering your own. It looks nicer on vinyl.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Pardon me, I went looking for a picture of the LP, and this: http://www.upsetter.net/scratch/disco/collections/collect_shocks.html says that "Be Thankful" is Bunny Clarke but "Woman Got To Have It" is Jimmy Riley. Easy mistake to make. And it's on Attack rather than Trojan but they are the same thing anyway...

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:59 (seventeen years ago) link

It sounds more like Bunny Clarke than Jimmy Riley tho

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 10:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 10:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I have got BE THANKFUL by DONOVAN CARLOS on RANDY'S 17 NORTH PARADE. On a different CD, IMPACT!, the same song is credited to DONOVAN CARLESS. Crazy, crazy, mental shit.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link

that "shocks of mighty" album is genius, except some of the dub versions are mixed with the original tracks into one big long track. bit annoying if your making mixtapes!

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

ten years pass...

this is a fantastic record

i've been digging into reggae lately, after really taking a liking to the studio one soul jazz comps from this year and last year, and figuring out where to find sounds i like, how to steer clear of too-ploddy roots reggae.

and i've listened to some dub before, late 90s, early 00s, on the back of mad professor dubbing 'protection' probably, and i could like it some and understand the appeal -

but this record actually sounds like all the stuff you read about dub, the playing-the-studio stuff, instruments popping in and out of the soundfield, drum hits given their own little moments of presence - not just watery echoing and big bass. but what i like most is that you can hear all these little scraps that sound like early 70s-mid 70s playing, highlighted for their lyricism.

j., Sunday, 14 September 2014 22:26 (seven years ago) link

it's really good. my copy is hard panned left and right though

monoprix à dimanche (dog latin), Sunday, 14 September 2014 22:40 (seven years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.