Richard Marx - Hazard

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the revival of that pop ballads thread reminded me of this song (because i suggested it). It's a partner song to Nick Cave's "Where the Wild Roses Grow" - both very mysterious and full of melancholy. It probably wasn't suitable for the pop ballads thread - it's too downbeat, but still a definite classic. it's so good that low ripped it off on their most recent album, as i have elaborated on elsewhere.

please say interesting things about "hazard".

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 2 April 2004 09:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Richard Marx and Maria Carey are in THIS category,

Michael Bolton and Celine Dion are in THAT category.

This = occasionally make a single you don't actually mind.
That = Never happens.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 April 2004 09:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd rather listen to Richard Marx than Nick Cave anyday

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 April 2004 09:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Tanya Headon has some interesting things to say on this song.
http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/2000_07_09_hated.html#469704

Pete (Pete), Friday, 2 April 2004 09:28 (seventeen years ago) link

allways did it for me this song, although I disagree about the comparrison with where the wild roses grow. That is gothic and melencolly, a tune in which the tune fills in narative blanks in the lyrics. Hazard is much more straight forward storytelling, but none the worse for it. It is also strange that of the two songs hazard despite its minimal production manages to convey much more raw emotion.

lukey (Lukey G), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

the two songs have something in common, more than just that they're about women being murdered. i think there's a resignation to the fact that the relationship is going to end in disaster - richard talks about the relationship in the past tense in the first chorus (before we know what happened to Mary), kylie talks about herself in the past tense in the chorus - before we know what happened to her. both tracks take a wistful overview of the violence, though maybe richard gets a bit melodramatic in the last verse.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

this video redeemed Richard Marx for me back when it came out. I'd kill for a copy of both parts.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 2 April 2004 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

'least amusingly named of the Marx Brothers' bwahaaaa that girl's comedy gold

stevem (blueski), Friday, 2 April 2004 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

oh I think Dick Marx is more amusing than Karl.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 2 April 2004 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

A surprisingly serious use of a bubbly keyboard, probably because it floats behind the vocals most of the time. Great song.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 2 April 2004 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Loved this song as a kid. Picked up the CD a few years back. Still is kinda enigmatic and fucked-up to me, somehow...

John 2, Saturday, 3 April 2004 03:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't believe you guys are saying positive things about Richard fucking Marx. I swear to god I thought I'd open this thread and read some wise ass remark about how bored we must all be and what were we thinking opening a thread with Richard Marx in the heading blah blah blah. Jeez Louise, people. It's RICHARD MARX.

Now, "Into The Night" by that guy whatsisname...THERE was a goddam song. "She's just 15 years old..." is still the best way to start a song as far as I'm concerned.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 3 April 2004 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link

six years pass...

I dislike Richard Marx but this song was awesome. and I was only a kid when it came out so I barely knew what it was about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazard_(song (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazard_%28song)) was an interesting read to learn the backstory. this inspired me to buy the album off of Amazon cuz it was like less than 3 bucks.

so...WHO KILLED MARY?

funky brewster (San Te), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 13:17 (ten years ago) link

Got an average score of 5.44 in the Spring '92 issue of Radio On, placing it at #31 out of 40 pop songs in that issue. (#1 was Kym Sims's "Too Bling To See It," 7.24; #6 the KLF featuring Tammy Wynette's "Justified And Ancient," 7.00; #7 Right Said Fred's "I'm Too Sexy," 6.92; #18 Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit," 6.15; #40 Eric Clapton's "Tears In Heaven," 3.96.)

In the comments section, people compared it to Springsteen's Nebraska and "The River," Toto's "Stranger In Town," Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street," and George Michael's "Hand To Mouth."

I gave it a 9.0, and voted for it on my Pazz & Jop singles list later that year. (May or may not have been its only vote.) Here's my review, which I may or may not still agree with: "Not only better than 'Endless Summer Nights,' but better than 'Knoxville Girl' by the Louvin Brothers, which it reads like, and better than anything on Nebraska, which is where the howl at the end comes from. (From 'State Trooper,' to be exact, I think, and Bruce stole it from 'Frankie Teardrop' by Suicide.) The production is stained-glass, a better rock approximation of French Freedberg-rock chicks Mylene Farmer and Jeanne Mas than U2 (or just about anybody else) has managed. And the video is a real movie -- River's Edge, to be exact. I love it when Rich gets his hair cut at the end. (I won't say it's better than 'Ode To Billie Joe,' but I kind of want to.)"

xhuxk, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:15 (ten years ago) link

WHO KILLED MARY?

Ben Stiller's later career showed a darkening of theme and performance

k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:17 (ten years ago) link

hahaha

funky brewster (San Te), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 16:24 (ten years ago) link

I don't love this song, but I admit it was a shock at the time, considering its source (and I liked "Should've Known Better" and "Don't Mean Nothin'").

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 18:12 (ten years ago) link

weird, i was just thinking about this song two days ago. couldn't bring myself to openly like it a the time either - just too tainted by the rest of his career, but it did make me secretly go... "huh".

Kim, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 18:45 (ten years ago) link

Relistening to it now, the production has all kinds of dissonant touches: that humming synth in the first few bars, the way the chorus never resolves.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 18:47 (ten years ago) link

five years pass...

Got an average score of 5.44 in the Spring '92 issue of Radio On, placing it at #31 out of 40 pop songs in that issue. (#1 was Kym Sims's "Too Bling To See It," 7.24; #6 the KLF featuring Tammy Wynette's "Justified And Ancient," 7.00; #7 Right Said Fred's "I'm Too Sexy," 6.92; #18 Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit," 6.15; #40 Eric Clapton's "Tears In Heaven," 3.96.)

In the comments section, people compared it to Springsteen's Nebraska and "The River," Toto's "Stranger In Town," Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street," and George Michael's "Hand To Mouth."

I gave it a 9.0, and voted for it on my Pazz & Jop singles list later that year. (May or may not have been its only vote.) Here's my review, which I may or may not still agree with: "Not only better than 'Endless Summer Nights,' but better than 'Knoxville Girl' by the Louvin Brothers, which it reads like, and better than anything on Nebraska, which is where the howl at the end comes from. (From 'State Trooper,' to be exact, I think, and Bruce stole it from 'Frankie Teardrop' by Suicide.) The production is stained-glass, a better rock approximation of French Freedberg-rock chicks Mylene Farmer and Jeanne Mas than U2 (or just about anybody else) has managed. And the video is a real movie -- River's Edge, to be exact. I love it when Rich gets his hair cut at the end. (I won't say it's better than 'Ode To Billie Joe,' but I kind of want to.)"

so glad this dude isn't around here any more. what a bore.

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 6 May 2016 20:03 (five years ago) link

well, actually some of what he says there is smart. but i hate his writing style.

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 6 May 2016 20:04 (five years ago) link

i now regret saying any of this. sorry guys.

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 6 May 2016 20:04 (five years ago) link

this is a great song

the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Friday, 6 May 2016 20:26 (five years ago) link

it is a great song! or at least a very good one.

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 6 May 2016 20:27 (five years ago) link

I haven't actually heard this song since roughly 1992 or whenever it was out, but I still remember exactly how the song goes. Weird. I remember this getting a lot of airplay at the time.

I thought the single before this one, "Keep Comin' Back," was good too: an acoustic R&B strummer in the vein of Bill Withers (and with backing vocals by future collaborator Luther Vandross). Too long but pretty

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 May 2016 20:40 (five years ago) link

if you’re richard marx, it’s a bad idea to have luther vandross sing backup on your songs, since he just shows up marx’s limited instrument

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 6 May 2016 20:52 (five years ago) link

Producer Marx keeps Luther at a discreet distance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09TPa8dKV0s

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 May 2016 20:54 (five years ago) link

turns out it's electric not acoustic.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 May 2016 20:55 (five years ago) link

he waits a long time before luther drops in, but when he does, marx's voice suddenly sounds harsh and unsubtle

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 6 May 2016 20:58 (five years ago) link

marx has some good stories about luther, including that a room in luther's house had *cashmere* wallpaper & luther told marx NOT to touch it

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2016 04:41 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

Still enjoy this song. If i wanted to create a "dark pop" playlist for similar songs what would i add (excluding those tunes already compared to it up thread)

Neanderthal, Friday, 26 August 2016 17:29 (four years ago) link

I somehow never saw the climactic version of this video. The suggestion all along had obviously been that Marx's character was innocent, but for all I know the finale might've been nothing more than the shaky camcorder footage some passing kid shot of Marx drowning Mary in the river.

An Automatic Response To Things That Are Bullshit (Old Lunch), Friday, 26 August 2016 17:41 (four years ago) link

That melancholic lack of closure is on par with having missed out on the fifth and final Gremlins book and record set from Hardees. How will I ever know how the story (adapted from a movie I've seen thirty times) ends?

An Automatic Response To Things That Are Bullshit (Old Lunch), Friday, 26 August 2016 17:44 (four years ago) link

There's a thematically similar song and video from the mid 80s by French Canadian group,The Box, called L'affaire Dumoutier

http://youtu.be/4A3gcDg5M3M

Manitobiloba (Kim), Monday, 29 August 2016 16:53 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

This song is hard.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 April 2018 02:09 (three years ago) link

I heard this track playing on the radio in some store I went to while buying lunch recently. First time I'd heard it for decades.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 12 April 2018 16:43 (three years ago) link

I listen to this more than any other Marx song. it rules.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 April 2018 17:32 (three years ago) link

it is my favorite

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 12 April 2018 19:42 (three years ago) link

Acoustic version of this is even better IMO <rockist>

well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 12 April 2018 19:44 (three years ago) link

I listen to this more than any other Marx song. it rules.

I listen to no other Marx song.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 22 April 2018 00:01 (three years ago) link

Acoustic version of this is even better IMO

If it doesn't have that flutey, bubbly synth, I'm out

Vinnie, Sunday, 22 April 2018 00:23 (three years ago) link

^^ dis

Cardigan B (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 22 April 2018 00:28 (three years ago) link

The whole Rush Street album is great imo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 22 April 2018 02:18 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

I still love this song to pieces, but admittedly I like more and more of this dude's pop songs as I get older.

like I will admit to liking or loving

"Shoulda Known Better"
"Endless Summer Nights"
"Hazard"
"Hold Onto the Night"
"Take This Heart"

fuckin hate most of the rest

"Hazard" was just the kind of dark that my childhood self could get into. with implied, non-explicit violence

Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 April 2021 02:29 (one week ago) link

the one I would add to that list (which may fall into your "fuckin hate" category) is "Angelia" - a near perfect version of that style of 80s/90s melancholy guitar ballad

Vinnie, Thursday, 29 April 2021 02:49 (one week ago) link

I don't know if I know that one!

Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 April 2021 02:53 (one week ago) link

ok listening to it now, and I do remember this, but haven't heard it in decades!

this one will go on my 'good' list

Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 April 2021 02:54 (one week ago) link

when I rediscovered it about ten years ago, I also hadn't heard it since the 80s - radio has pretty much forgotten this song in favor of the bigger hits. but it was a #4 single!

Vinnie, Thursday, 29 April 2021 03:01 (one week ago) link

“Keep Coming Back” (where he is chanelling El DeBarge with backup by Luther Vandross) is great.

(so is “Right Here Waiting” of course, but I doubt me saying that is going to soften Neanderthal’s hardened heart)

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 29 April 2021 05:14 (one week ago) link

The whole Rush Street album is pretty good imo, i like a lot of tracks on that as well as Hazard, like Take This Heart, Love Unemotional, Hands in Your pocket etc - Billy Joel plays piano on I Get No Sleep, Steve lukather & Jeff Porcaro are on a bunch of songs, Terry Bozzio, lots of cool session cats

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 April 2021 05:31 (one week ago) link

i am deeply biased tho :)

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 April 2021 05:31 (one week ago) link


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