NWA: Search & Destroy

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Inspired by the recent flood of hip-hop threads, I'm curious to hear what you think about the OGs from Compton. How does that first record hold up now? Did they release anything interesting under the NWA name after "Straight Outta..."? What about the various solo paths? Were they a positive influence?

Mark, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Express yourself with your full capabilities...

Mark, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

'Niggaz4Life' ('Efil4zaggin'?) was crap even from the production standpoint, I hate chiming bells. 'Eazy Duz It' and 'Shock of the Hour' were desperately crappy, but I think Cube is underrated still, esp. 'Death Certificate', a masterpiece of uncontrolled spleen as well as "I Wanna Kill Sam", cool historical metaphor. Unfortunately, I can't get the 'uncut' version because this shit-ass communist country has decided it's too 'controversial'. (The same country Al Qaeda uses as a summer camp/recruitment fair BTW)

dave q, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dave: What country are you talking about? That's terrible. That first album had some interesting contradictions. On the one hand, they were clearly infuence by PE (esp. from a production standpoint, but lower budget, of course) and a song like "Fuck Tha Police" was a protest song. But E.Z.'s lyrics in particular undermined the protest:

Shining tha light in my face, and for what?
Maybe it's because I kick so much butt
I kick ass, or maybe cuz I blast
On a stupid-ass nigga when I'm playin with the trigga
Of an Uzi or an AK

So what's EZ's basically saying is, "Why are these police harassing me? Is it because I've been shooting all these people with my Uzi?" This seems like some kind of turning point, doesn't it?

Mark, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

UK version of the 2nd NWA alb was different to the US edition - Island (I think) took exception to a few of the tracks and swapped 'em for other non-alb songs. Is this still the case, or have we reverted back to the US Edition? It has been years since I heard (what I presume is) the Euro edition, but remember it was still pretty 'hardcore'.

Andrew L, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

slip da c note and you can choke on a wing ding ding-a-ling down my throat = favourite oral sex line evah!

Geoff, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Nobody Move" is one of my favorite songs of all time.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

everything other than "straight outta compton" & the "express yourself" 12" pretty much sucks. once ice cube made "amerikkka's most wanted" it was pretty clear who had all the lyrical skills in nwa.

fritz, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously, dude. I can't fucking BELIEVE a hard motherfucker like Eazy-E used the phrase "kick butt" in a rhyme. Notice how he quickly follows it with "I kick aaaaaass" though.

And yeah, Mark, that's hilarious--"Why are these cops bugging me? Maybe it's because I rule, or maybe it's because I FUCKING SHOOT PEOPLE... hmmmmm!"

Clarke B., Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

S: SOC, Ice Cube's 1st two solo albums, Kid606's work on them

D: That "comeback" track on the Next Friday Soundtrack

Honda, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: The Doc album, Nobody Can Do It Better.

Mr Noodles, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Britain a "shit-ass communist country": can someone closer to him than me hold Dave Q down, or shoot him, or just tell him to fuck off?

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

take it fucking easy, robin

ethan, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone else find SOC really disappointing after the utterly classic first three tracks? It almost sounds like the first couple tracks were produced in a different era than the rest of the album. "Gangsta Gangsta" is one of my favourite songs. Chuck Eddy thinks it's their only really convincing song.

Those lines are my favourite part of "Fuck tha Police." I thought they were intentionally funny and ironic.

Robin: Do you think you're perhaps taking dave q's rhetoric a little too seriously and literally? FWIW, his Canadian homeland is hardly any less socialistic than the UK.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 20 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sundar is right, SOC falls off sharply after those first three tracks (I do like "Express Yourself," but who wouldn't like that sample?), but they're so great that the album is, too. Also, Sundar, I know EZ (or Ice Cube, if he wrote EZ's lyrics) was being funny and ironic w/ those lines, but didn't it kind of undercut the central thrust of the song, that the police were doing something wrong in harassing these guys? After the Rodney King beating, NWA was in the press saying, "See! This is what we're talking about" but then they had those lines that made it seem like police intervention was neccesary. Interesting contrast, tension, contradiction, whatever, in any case.

Mark, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh. Well, yeah, if you look at it that way. I guess, considering the songs between which it was sandwiched, I never bothered to think of "Fuck tha Police" as any serious political statement. ("Ice Cube will swarm on any motherfucker in a blue uniform" was a key line, I thought.)

sundar subramanian, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dave seems to think you can't buy the US version of Death cert in the UK, it always seems to be in tower and HMV look you damn fool

smutpuppy, Tuesday, 23 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

All I wanna know is, what's M.C. Ren doing with himself these days?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I last spotted Ren guest rapping on Cypress Hill's upcoming Stoned Raiders.

Honda, Saturday, 27 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Some shit I don't take it, not even in a toilet
And some shit from a sucker, I put in a pot and I boil it.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, 27 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Best NWA lyric:

Girls: "I wanna fuck you, Eazy E."
Eazy: "I wanna fuck you too."

Well, I'm probably remembering it wrong. Eazy's voice was the most live thing in NWA. Ice Cube's voice was too, um, cool for me.

Frank Kogan, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah but is it true Eazy couldnt even rap & he had to be dropped in on lots of lines & shit? i heard that somewhere. yeah he was good on that record tho'.

duane, Tuesday, 30 October 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...
motherfuckers forgot about DRE! Really though... Dre had the beats, Cube had the rhymes, and Eazy had an interesting voice and all the bizness schemes. I don't know what Yella and Ren had though.

Actually their best shit came out on the debut "N.W.A. and the Posse",..

Boyz-n-the Hood
8 Ball
Dopeman
L.A. Is the Place
Fat Girl

plus the 'Eazy Does It' album was already sprung at that point. SOC was hot, but more of a calculated product, in my humble opinion.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 05:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I think most of NWA's stuff was pretty great.. you can drop most of the 100 Miles And Runnin' EP though.. otherwise, Straight Outta Compton and EFIL4ZAGGIN are both great!

the best thing NWA did though was their cameo on the DOC's "Grand Finale"

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 06:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Yella played drums on DOC's "Grand Finale" which is one of the best tracks EVAH!

deej., Wednesday, 23 March 2005 06:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Yella played drums on Eazy-E's "2 Hard Mutha's"! Maaan, he used to fuck it up at Compton High!

also Ren basically wrote half the Eazy-E album, including the awesome "Nobody Move". Contributed more than Cube for sure. "Nobody Move" totally blew my mind when it came out. Never heard anything like it before.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 06:18 (fourteen years ago) link

ren had at least one great line ... "some shit i don't take it/not even in a toilet/and some shit from a sucka/i put in a pot and i boil it"

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 07:54 (fourteen years ago) link

... which i wrote down 3 1/2 years ago. i really should read through these threads before i post!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 07:58 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, this thread is proof-positive of just how canonist and "not-OTM" early ILM was... pure fodder for when old-ILM talks about the good old days.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought "Nobody Move" was a rewrite of a Yellowman song.

Austingling (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

You mean instead of sampling a hook for a chorus? Weird.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I forget where I read that, though, and I don't know Yellowman's stuff so I can't really say. But the idea I got was that they basically took the original lyrics, changed a few words (slang, names) and pretended it was a new song.

It's not really that wierd, if you ask me. See: Led Zeppelin/Willie Dixon, also 'biting.'

Austindersticks (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
I loved N.W.A back in the day, but really, the only stuff of theirs I would really recommend is the A side to "Straight Outta Compton." Everything else was hit or miss.

Mofrackie, Friday, 28 October 2005 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

how did i not know that 'id rather fuck you' was a bootsy cover

and what, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

i wish eazy was still around so he could do a whole album of slow jams

and what, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

i wanna hear him do 'just a touch' by slave

and what, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

'Niggaz4Life' ('Efil4zaggin'?) was crap even from the production standpoint...

-- dave q, Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:00 PM (5 years ago)

lol

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 23:42 (twelve years ago) link

people underestimate the power of mc ren

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

search: something to dance to. because it's funny.

Billy Pilgrim, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 00:52 (twelve years ago) link

I seem to recall j0hn d@rni3ll3 saying something really negative about Ren too... i don't get it. he wasn't the best but he's certainly not the worst.

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 01:03 (twelve years ago) link

ren is a beast & has the least embarrassing post-nwa career - he just keeps his head low & drops a million fuck-a-bitch raps for no-name cali dudes

and what, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

[MC Ren]
Villain blows up yo' spot
Take yo' notebook yo' bitch and yo' glock
This motherfucker thought the coochie had a padlock
You slapped her ass that's alarmin
cause she want my Worm like Carmen
We chin check niggaz, them thin check niggaz
run trains on golddiggers beware these fo' niggaz
Scarin motherfuckers like Steven King flicks
Makin niggaz clear the room like a dyke flee a dick
Makin 2nd II None shit, nigga like Quik
So when I bomb first nigga who you rollin with?
Fuck that ice on your wrist, fuck yo' fine ass bitch
Cause you could lose it in a tussle nigga watch me hustle
Watch niggaz kiss my ass without flexin a muscle
Bitches - all in the back they knees waitin to buckle
Same time same channel don't change the dial
Niggaz4Life, fuckin your wife, these niggaz wild

and what, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

I've been listening to Str8 Off Tha Streetz Of Muthaphukkin Compton all month, that's my stuff right now

I do indeed undervalue the strength of mc ren

J0hn D., Wednesday, 26 September 2007 01:54 (twelve years ago) link

i luv efil4zaggin

am0n, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 02:06 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

SOC is the best but Niggaz4life is no slouch, and contrary to what is said above, the production's great....it had some precursors of what was to come later on The Chronic.

Missed Ice Cube though....Ice Cube's AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted shits all over Niggaz4life

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 19 January 2008 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs1gEsPXpgM

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:49 (eleven years ago) link

[MC Ren]
Villain blows up yo' spot
Take yo' notebook yo' bitch and yo' glock
This motherfucker thought the coochie had a padlock
You slapped her ass that's alarmin
cause she want my Worm like Carmen
We chin check niggaz, them thin check niggaz
run trains on golddiggers beware these fo' niggaz
Scarin motherfuckers like Steven King flicks
Makin niggaz clear the room like a dyke flee a dick
Makin 2nd II None shit, nigga like Quik
So when I bomb first nigga who you rollin with?
Fuck that ice on your wrist, fuck yo' fine ass bitch
Cause you could lose it in a tussle nigga watch me hustle
Watch niggaz kiss my ass without flexin a muscle
Bitches - all in the back they knees waitin to buckle
Same time same channel don't change the dial
Niggaz4Life, fuckin your wife, these niggaz wild

-- and what, Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:27 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Link

and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

Staying sucka-free in 93.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:54 (eleven years ago) link

Search: the reunion song (w/ snoop) "chin check" off the Next Friday OST can hang with vintage NWA.

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:02 (eleven years ago) link

chin check: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vAmKdgrLf8

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:04 (eleven years ago) link

ill zshare the mighty mi remix of chin check when i get home its the shit

and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

Cheekyboy: Chin Check vs Tarzan Boy

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.zshare.net/audio/10648697dcf43a86/
^nwa - chin check (mighty mi remix) - highly recommended

and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 21:36 (eleven years ago) link

thx

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 21:48 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

this is great: http://www.laweekly.com/2010-05-06/music/whatever-happened-to-n-w-a-s-posse/

The Reverend, Monday, 17 May 2010 12:13 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

A much more extensive look in the same vein:

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/the_posse_project/

this isn't STRAWBERRY 0_o it's RAWBERRY (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 August 2010 19:38 (nine years ago) link

is Posse really even worth listening to or just snagging the actual N.W.A. tracks?

funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 21:48 (nine years ago) link

i like the fila fresh crew stuff a bunch (which features a young D.O.C.)

underrated klaatu albums i have loved (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 21:57 (nine years ago) link

oh snap, I love The D.O.C. -- guess i'll d/l some of this later

funky brewster (San Te), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 21:57 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK5UIm2ysvE&feature=related

The Reverend, Wednesday, 29 December 2010 11:38 (nine years ago) link

2", gorgeous

cool to see DOC got to hang throughout the process, wasn't just handing over a sheaf of lyrics before they started and then sitting at home

Stay J0rdan Fresh (sic), Wednesday, 29 December 2010 13:59 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiPbeIXZpD4

~3:30 gets magical

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:07 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

'Niggaz4Life' ('Efil4zaggin'?) was crap even from the production standpoint

whoa, totally not otm?

Dominique, Sunday, 27 May 2012 22:02 (seven years ago) link

wtf

The Reverend, Sunday, 27 May 2012 23:25 (seven years ago) link

seven years pass...

lolol @ Cube: hey let's run a train on this girl
Easy: I wouldn't touch that ho
Cube: oh um yeah me neither nope

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 18:29 (two weeks ago) link


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