Come on now, admit it - who here likes/has liked the Cranberries?

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Seeing an advert just now on MTV has reminded me of the bane of my mid-teenage years, the hateful Cranberries. There was a time when I wished I was paid for every time I had to politely slag them off, as it seemed all the nice gurls I knew wuvved them. So, have at them!

DG, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

NEW SELF-CONSCIOUSLY IRISH ANSWERS!

DG, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

New answers are vulgar but not as vulgar as the Cranberries. Some people would have it that "Linger" was a good single but I think this is being soft on The Cranberries.

"Zombie" by ADAM and Amy though is a terrific record.

Tom, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I hate them. Both "Zombie" and "Linger" are annoying in the extreme... although to be honest that might be all I've ever heard from them.

Sean, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Erm, I didn't mind "Dreams" at the time. It seemed to have a nice-enough Sundays quality to it.

scott p., Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked Ridiculous Thoughts. I still like Ridiculous Thoughts.

Melissa W, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Their early demos and radio sessions were good. And I saw The Cranberries live once (supporting Belly) when Dolores was still Miss Shy, and enjoyed it. But I agree "Dreams" is the one and only decent thing they released on recordz. I also agree with Tom re Zombie.

Jeff, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

First album was quite great. Then a slow slide down...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, fine then. I will ashame myself (and probably not surprise Scott, who's seen my not-so-cool record collection) by saying that I bought their first record slightly before "Linger" went out as a single and got really, really attached to it. Actually, forget the shame part -- I was 15 years old and a massive Sundays fan, so what do you want from me?

That said, I came across my copy of it last time I was at my parents' house, put it on, and was surprised to find that I still enjoyed it quite a bit. I don't know how spirited of a logical defense I could offer for them, apart from this: the band itself was really good at assembling standard-issue post-Smiths guitar-pop songs, leaving the overall goodness or badness of the result down to how the vocals were handled; on the first 1 and 1/2 records, the vocals were often restrained and unsentimental enough to make them work, in a Sundays- meet-Primitives kind of way.

Actually, let's just go with: I was 15, and I wasn't any Melissa-style musical-taste prodigy.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, how nice -- as I was typing that, some others came out of the closet with me.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw that Belly/Cranberries tour - I also saw them, ahem, *blow Moose off the stage* (yes, *that* good) in the summer of '91. I recall a friend saying afterwards: "some good tunes, but that voice would grate if you heard it too often". Oh, how little we knew...

"Zombie" is very, very funny.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard "Zombie" WAY too many times during Fast Food Purgatory (starring me as Sisyphus). It rocked well enough, in that obvious "Creep" sort of way. The two songs people have soft spots for ("Ridiculous Thoughts", "Dreams") are all fine & good. But, lordy, I am so happy that my exposure to them has been minimal. They were on my not-so-short list when I was looking to get into the "alternative rock" scene. Somewhere between Mother Love Bone and Belly, I think.

David Raposa, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Is this where I tell my anecdote involving touring band Cracker and the Cranberries "roadies"?

Brian MacDonald, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

If anyone has that Taylor Parkes / Everett True Cranberries annihilation as record review, could you reproduce it here? Please.

Johnathan, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ask and you shall receive. Uh, sometime tonight.

And yes, Brian, do tell. It's such a fun story.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The vdo for "salvation" was at once self-righteous and severely creepy. That said, "dreams" can put me in a tremendous happy mood no matter what.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

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Revenge of the Fatnick Regent, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked 'Salvation', cuz I think self-righteous anti-drug songs are cool. "Tew all yew people dewin' lines, don't do it!" It's like that "Teenage Suicide" song from 'Heathers', or some crap the local music teacher wrote to play for your fifth-grade drug awareness class. Classic! Everything else deserves a kneecapping. (Especially the new single cover - the acid's finally telling on Hipgnosis)

dave q, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Shouldn't that be:

[|24|\||33|2|2!3$ $|_|[|<, |_| |4/\/\3|25?

Or is subject-object disagreement a new facet of haxOr-speak?

Non-Prolix Nitsuh, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

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FatusNickus, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I really should have put one of these >> [ :) ]

at the end of my last post.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The first album was a classic, Ned and Nitsuh are absolutely right. But part of it being good was that you could not here it everywhere (at least not in Germany, Luxembourg, France) on the radio. It was a treasure I cherished at home. Alone. One of those discs you become attached to as they become a part of you. Even Zombie I still enjoyed but suddenly they were everywhere and I really got fed up with O'Riordan's voice. And realised that she was such a stupid cow. Politically and mentally. Relistening to it does not excite me very much nowadays. But the recipe folk rock meets indie pop did it for me 8 years ago. Intimate chamber music.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

typo: I meant "hear" not "here"

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Dreams" is nice.

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gygax, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Linger is such a Jr. High dance song and therefore brilliant.

JM, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I still like the cranberries. no, I don't listen to them every day anymore, but when I do pull them out, it's always a light & easy listen. They have their place in my collection.

patrick, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i had the uncertain ep and waited seemingly forever for the album, it was delayed extensively here, and then heard the album and wondered what i was on. always dud then. she tried to impress with her voice, she might just bother singing once in a while. and thw whole gettng married in your underwear was mighty classy.

keith, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw the Cranberries in late '94 just as something to do one bored night, and god I must have been bored. It was an OK gig but nothing special, apart from Delores' skin tight silver trousers. And the support band, who happened to be The Madonnas, a band Guy Chadwick formed after the House Of Love split up, who recorded nothing as far as I know and Chadwick later mentioned only in interviews as "I was so drunk I don't remember anything about them". A good little band actually, and Guy's song intros are still talked about in awe amongst my friends (eg "This song is about being happy, it's called 'Happy'" or "This song is about a friend of mine who works in a slaughterhouse, it's called 'Slaughterhouse friend'". Way to go!

Rob M, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuck the music which was always crap. But I remember a very early Melody Maker interview where Dolores still had long hair and just looked very beautiful. Sort of dreamy and soft, etc. I still can't quite understand that she and the screaming anorexic witch are the same person.

Omar, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I think they lost it. But I also think they had it, or enough of it. Everybody Else... is a record which I go back to (on dusty old tape) once every 3-4 years and rediscover how much I like it. 'Linger' I consider absolute vintage, erste sahne, a contender for the best 45 of its era.

the pinefox, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

**....where Dolores still had long hair and just looked very beautiful. Sort of dreamy and soft, etc**

Uh? Bong Talk, Omar, bong talk ;)

**I think they lost it. But I also think they had it, or enough of it**

WHY? Pinefox, why??

Dr. C, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry Dr. Airguitar, but it was true. You think I make up these embarrassing confessions? ;)

Omar, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

We're still waiting for your story, Brian!

I liked their first album, but they became annoying awfully fast. It's as if they lost all sense of subtlety and melody after that...

It probably didn't help matters much that Dolores is right up there with Celine Dion in the obnoxious harpie stakes -- which probably wouldn't have been so terrible except she was everywhere in the meedja for awhile.

Nicole, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Brian being somewhere in LA right now being a wastrel (he stopped by briefly last night and I'll have to put up with him again tonight, the fiend!), herewith the story as I recall it from him:

A few years back, when you could say the words "The Cranberries are on their US arena tour" and not have people laugh, Cracker was the opening act. Members of Cracker were told that they were not to talk to or deal with the Cranberries at all, or any of their support crew or anything like that. David Lowery and company shrugged and thought, "Typical," and went on doing their thing. As time went on during the tour, they got to know a variety of people by sight and figured out what they were there for -- with the exception of two guys who never seemed to do anything. They were fans of Cracker, though, always by the side of the stage whenever they did their opener's set, cheering them on. Finally curiosity got the better of Cracker and some members tracked down these two guys in a quiet moment. After exchanging friendly greetings and all, Lowery or whoever flat out asked them, "So what do you guys *do*, anyway?"

The answer -- Ms. O'Riordan, besides singing, also plays acoustic guitar and piano on stage. Except...that below the stage, these two guys, one with guitar and one with piano, sit and watch the entire show on closed-circuit TV or the like. Basically, their job was to actually play the parts she was supposed to be playing!

Needless to say, I was terribly amused to learn this. Ultimately not surprised anymore, but still.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll go with the popular answer: I liked the first one okay when it came out, and thought the second one was boring, boring, boring. It's also true that I liked the Sundays a lot, and while I thought that the Sundays should have sued the Cranberries for lifting their entire sound, it was a good enough replacement at the time. Nowadays I can't be bothered to listen to either anymore. Don't know whether it's just too fey or whether it just brings back too many associations that I'd rather not think about.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What was the name of the song where the chorus had her chanting, "In yer head, inyer head, sorry, sorry, sorry (yelp) (yelp) (yelp)"? Because I still like that song.

"Linger" can suck deze nutz, tho.

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

'Zombie' I think Dan. Seen them twice (as support acts) and would prefer to avoid a third encounter. Delores wails like a fish-wife.

stevo, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

That new ad freaks me out: the voice over is American.

Helen Fordsdale, Friday, 19 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Their first demo as The Cranberry Saw us was incredible: heartfelt, joyful, innocent and trembling with a thousand stolen moments - it was while Delores still had real beauty in her voice, beauty that she later destroyed by hanging out with complete industry jerks and turning her own personality into that of a shrill, cynical person. Once, they had such promise. Honestly, that demo was as great as The Sunday ever got... once.

But God, their lyrics are as embarrassing as music has ever become: check ALL of the 'To The Faithful Departed' album for some real good belly laughs, especially I Just Shot John Lennon. It's the record where D discovers MTV News.

I'm fairly sure I'm not their favourite writer however, so perhaps I shouldn't be commenting.

Jerry, Sunday, 21 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Just since "Zombie" has been taking such a beating, I'll say it's the only one of their songs that any interest at all in me. What people see in "Dreams" and "Linger" eludes me totally.

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 21 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know. I wish I was a girl, so I could've liked 'Linger'. After that things instantly degenerated into boring rubbish, thank God. I wouldn't have to want to feel unsettled for a second longer. I haven't heard the self-righteous anti-drugs song, though. It can't be in the league of Will Smith's new song about how great he is at rapping.

Luke, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

sparks any interest, sorry.

sundar subramanian, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT> DOLORES NEVER FAKED HER LIVE PERFORMANCES> SHE PLAYED ALL HER PARTS> I WAS THERE FOR ALL THEIR SHOWS AND IT WAS ALL FOR REAL> MISTER NED RAGGETT I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GET YOUR STORIES BUT CRACKER CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT BUT THEY WILL ALWAYS SUCK IF EVEN THEY DON'T SPREAD LIES ABOUT A BAND THAT DOESN"T DESERVE TO BE SHIT ON! GET A CLUE ASSHOLES

chocolate brown, Sunday, 9 November 2003 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

google once again turns my frown upside down

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 November 2003 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link

ned you got some splainin to do!

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link

First Rekkid: Beautiful but derivative (essentially an attempt to create an Irish version of the Sundays.)
Second Rekkid: Not as good, dumber lyrics, pointless hystrionics. (Some reviewers compared Delores to Sinéad O'Connor, so Delores started aping all of O'Connors bad traits.)
Third Rekkid: AAAAGH! THE PAIIIN! MAKE IT STOP!

...at this point I refuse to even think about their more recent records.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

When my first relationship died a hideous painful death, I was in the 7-Eleven when 'Linger'started to play over the muzak system. I started to cry in the line-up. I was a wreck when I got my cigarettes. So I blame Dolores and Company for my nervous breakdown in the 7-Eleven.

Cat, Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link

What people see in "Dreams" and "Linger" eludes me totally.
I can't explain it. It's just that high, sweet lilt of achingly sad indie chick with an accent. I'm just a sucker for that. I don't know why.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link

ned you got some splainin to do!

Truly, I have caused sorrow here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link

GET ONE CLUE

Annouschka (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:40 (fifteen years ago) link

gave the first album a spin this morning, I still like that record even though it, for some reason, really reminds me of a bad period of my life where I was drinking a horrible lot and inlove with some girl who was really bad for me. I listened to lots of music then but that album for some reason really seems steeped in that; maybe because I didn't listen to it much after 1993.

akm, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:30 (one year ago) link

listened to the first album a few months ago, much more dreamy than I remembered. probably one of the most nostalgic things I could listen to, considering I played it over and over then didn't listen to it for 15 years or so.

kinder, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:33 (one year ago) link

exactly. it's really that kind of record. maybe because they became so shit after the second one and people who were kind of on board earlier on abandoned them.

I even saw them live, with Suede (Suede opened, and were better)

akm, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:34 (one year ago) link

that just means it's not foul play

― akm, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 5:06 AM (one hour ago)

can't speak to Mark's unsourced quote, but in Australia, "The police said there were no suspicious circumstances" is newspaper code for suicide.

Haribo Hancock (sic), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:36 (one year ago) link

dreamy sweetness is the quintessence of the Cranberries for me -- i really only paid attention to the first 2 singles bc they were on the radio (was vaguely aware of zombie but was too deeply invested in my own snobbery at that point to care for that tbh) and it was so dreamy and sweet, whereas at the time i felt grizzled and gnarly and way too angry to be able to tolerate the sweetness. i also thought they had a lame band name. it was a bad time in my life that i am not keen to revisit, would prefer it encased in amber where i can continue to not think about it. RIP Dolores, you were cool and shouldn't have died so young.

i liked amanda petrusich's piece but for me it was probably pj harvey, not the cranberries

I suspect every young woman eventually finds a figure (or, more likely, a series of figures) who helps disabuse her of certain stifling notions about femininity, of all the outmoded binaries—the things a woman is supposed to choose between as she comes into her own. It feels almost quaint to point out now, in a cultural moment in which we’re rethinking the whole of gender dynamics, but, in the early nineties, O’Riordan helped further the then-iffy-seeming idea that a woman could be both beautiful and ferocious. She appeared accountable only to some internal voice—which meant we could be, too.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:39 (one year ago) link

"why aren't more people being total assholes about this??? i demand justice!!"

― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:02 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

more like "people suddenly realize that 'Zombie' is not one of the worst songs of the '90s, would have been cool if they realized that while she was alive"

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:40 (one year ago) link

i also thought they had a lame band name
not as bad as the original name!

kinder, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:41 (one year ago) link

"more like "people suddenly realize that 'Zombie' is not one of the worst songs of the '90s, would have been cool if they realized that while she was alive"

eh, no, it is still one of the worst songs of the 90's. But Linger and Dreams are pretty good.

akm, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:42 (one year ago) link

what was the original name?!
i always sort of lumped them in with 10,000 maniacs (even though they had been around for longer)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:46 (one year ago) link

Original name: The Cranberry Saw Us

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:47 (one year ago) link

ugh seriously
that's awful

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:49 (one year ago) link

u_u

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:49 (one year ago) link

i always sort of lumped them in with 10,000 maniacs (even though they had been around for longer)

Seriously? Oh, you mean even though 10,000 Maniacs had been around longer.

I thought of them, initially, as sort of like the Sundays, but not as good or as tasteful. Because by the follow-u[ album I thought of the Cranberries the same way I thought of Live.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:52 (one year ago) link

Mentioned before, by my fave weird bill was seeing the Cranberries open up for Frank Black opening up for The The in 1993.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:52 (one year ago) link

Unconfirmed reports of deliberate Fentanyl o.d. coming in.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:00 (one year ago) link

I gave the first two albums another spin today and still like 'em, and still stand by my opinion that 'Zombie' paved the way for a direction they weren't very good at. They were much better at the delicate numbers, and the production still holds up on the first two albums. What sunk their third record - and subsequently their career - was a combination of silly lyrics, inappropriate production and moving away from what people actually liked about them.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:18 (one year ago) link

yes. well, clearly some people liked the direction they went in or they wouldn't have continued to put out six or seven albums that go in that direction.

akm, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:20 (one year ago) link

All bands have their hardcore followers, and they're generally the wrong people to look at when assessing the popularity of a band.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:23 (one year ago) link

Pretty much agree with Turrican. Loved these two records growing up and still do.

kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:23 (one year ago) link

o'riordan's voice, specifically in the first album, sounds amazing in how it fades in and out during the bridge or whatever you want to call it

definitely reminiscent of elizabeth fraser at some parts

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:28 (one year ago) link

their lyrics have always been a bit crap, I never knew what any of them were in the first record then when I eventually looked them up I felt "oh." Lots of 'walking out through the door' etc

kinder, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:43 (one year ago) link

Nah ode to my family and linger have great lyrics

kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:44 (one year ago) link

yes. well, clearly some people liked the direction they went in or they wouldn't have continued to put out six or seven albums that go in that direction.

― akm, Tuesday, January 16, 2018 1:20 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they didn’t though. bury the hatchet was v much a scaling back from to the faithful departed

their singles are generally solid throughout (even “salvation” which i think has a v charming velocity) except “time is ticking out”

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:51 (one year ago) link

there are the cranberry saw us demos on youtube from cassettes they released pretty good stuff

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:01 (one year ago) link

'Salvation' is a very good performance and topline, but I can never get past how awful the lyric is.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:11 (one year ago) link

Zombie is fine. as with many female musicians/celebrities many had a decent go at her when she had issues a few years back. it's pretty sad overall. idk. Dreams and Linger are better than a lot of the songs that probably inspired them. I always think of Chungking Express when I think of Dreams, even though it's a Faye Wong cover (extremely faithful to the original and therefore sublime.)

omar little, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:12 (one year ago) link

'Daffodil Lament' is probably the best song they ever did.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:18 (one year ago) link

I adore NNTA, really like EEIDISWCW, never heard the rest. I am going to admit right here and now that I played NNTA more often than anything else in my dorm room in 1995

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:01 (one year ago) link

I came up with a dozen goodies.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 03:41 (one year ago) link

10. Just My Imagination

that's a good one but i think i prefer "you and me" as a single from that record

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 03:45 (one year ago) link

Zombie being a huge hit was definitely a problem, the third record even has a terrible remake of it (Hollywood) and the whole thing feels like a mess with that edgier, rockier sound and the political posturing that feels awkward. They were really good at evoking nostalgia in ballad mode, which is why the best cut in there by a long shot is “when you’re gone”.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:10 (one year ago) link

Alfred you forgot “Wanted”

treeship 2, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:18 (one year ago) link

listening back to the first album today I was struck by how much I used to love Waltzing Back. I don't think I've heard that song since probably 1994. Her Irish yelping really works on that.

akm, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:25 (one year ago) link

Oh, interesting: "Zombie" is what everyone hates? That's the only one of the hits I ever really liked tbh and it still seems iconic of that time to me. Sad that she was so young.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:37 (one year ago) link

waltzing back is fucking great

kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 05:07 (one year ago) link

I don’t hate Zombie... I hate what it did to them on the following album.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 06:26 (one year ago) link

last five or so songs on no need to argue are all wonderful

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 06:27 (one year ago) link

What really matters mystifies me is how the songwriting quality basically collapses for the entire stretch between “Ode To My Family” and that final remarkable home stretch.

Actually Everyone... seems really notable for its consistency given the band immediately became so inconsistent (though still capable of greatness) thereafter.

Tim F, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 10:28 (one year ago) link

Alfred you forgot “Wanted”
"Sunday"!

dorsalstop, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 10:51 (one year ago) link

I was listening to "Everybody Else Is Doing It" last night for the first time since the 90s. Very strong album, so dreamy and nostalgia-inducing. I really like "pretty" and "put me down"

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 10:54 (one year ago) link

RIP Dolores.

Dreams is an all-time favourite for me. The first album reminds me of moving to London in '93 and drinking with lots of Irish people.

I think Zombie was where a lot of people got off the bus. I remember they took some stick for releasing an anti-IRA protest song only a couple of weeks after the IRA ceasefire - like they could put the peace process at risk.

Chunky Backgammon (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:06 (one year ago) link

I remember they took some stick for releasing an anti-IRA protest song only a couple of weeks after the IRA ceasefire - like they could put the peace process at risk.

LOL

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:10 (one year ago) link

What really matters mystifies me is how the songwriting quality basically collapses for the entire stretch between “Ode To My Family” and that final remarkable home stretch.

Don't be daft - 'I Can't Be With You', 'Twenty One' and 'Empty' are three of the best tracks on there!

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:40 (one year ago) link

The first two LP's are near equal in consistency, and would be equal if 'Zombie' wasn't on there.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:42 (one year ago) link

Yeah Sunday is a brilliant, giddy thing, i always thought it was called Sunday because it's their most obvious homage to The Sundays.

piscesx, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 12:03 (one year ago) link

never pursued their albums but i had MTV for the mid 90s when they broke. i remember "Zombie" and "Linger" on constant rotation and i loved those songs.

last night i looked up the video to "Salvation" and holy crap yes there is the killer evil clown creeping at the window that haunted my dreams when i was a teen! i hadn't seen this video in 20 years, tbh im glad i didn't imagine it! really insane video. btw it's actually a pretty cool song

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 13:30 (one year ago) link

She looks seriously fucking ill in the video to 'Free to Decide' ...

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:17 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

This is nice, despite the sort of creepy and/or on-the-nose overtones of a lyric about a hotel in London.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=229&v=AG1LGI0Gf_Y

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:02 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Four tracks into the new (and final) Cranberries album and admittedly I'm enjoying it a lot. For me, this is easily a better record than Roses... it might turn out to be their best since No Need to Argue, actually.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 3 May 2019 17:38 (three months ago) link


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