what happened to my kozelekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQWBTAt-xBI
― ciderpress, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
buzz kil buffoon
― Frank 4ad (NickB), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link
As someone who knows virtually nothing about him he comes across like Ariel Pink to me, another resentful indie omega male puffed up by acclaim and turning that resentment outward as angry misogyny.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link
Too bad because a ton of his albums are nuanced and smart and mature. Such a discrepancy from this behavior. His latest album matches well though.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
Kozelek is a manic depressive. It sounds like a hypomanic episode.
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 4 June 2015 21:06 (eight years ago) link
I don't think he is, though. He's been consistently, though increasingly, like this in a public setting for years. Even in the April-era you heard stories. And his lyrics have always revealed a potential for nastiness (e.g. the "mistress" character). What's puzzling is his apparent wish/compulsion to show off this side of himself in the limelight. However, it's reinforced by all the attention
― Mule, Thursday, 4 June 2015 21:37 (eight years ago) link
Hmm this guy is obviously a complete shit but some of his friends think he isn't and also he sings songs
*thinks*
*thinks for ages*
― Vaguely Fettening WAPCHAS (wins), Thursday, 4 June 2015 23:08 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, we should all probably stop wasting our valuable time on this particular thread on this vast internet music message board.
― Mule, Thursday, 4 June 2015 23:19 (eight years ago) link
seems kinda shitty to me that P-fork didn't report on this incidnt at all, considering the 12 fucking pieces they posted on the Koz/War on Drugs "feud"...thing
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:18 (eight years ago) link
Schreibs responded on FB.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:19 (eight years ago) link
I was 100% onboard with him calling a bunch of hip urban 'new south' concertgoers hillbillies, because I hate Raleigh & thought it was a deliciously well-aimed jab (cf that Ben Folds Five song about trying to cover up your redneck past) but everything since then has made me want to to karate-kick his cranky ass into a garbage truck
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:41 (eight years ago) link
(Full disclosure: I have heard no RHP & very little SKM, so I was basically indifferent towards him at the time. Some of the RHP stuff posted itt are intriguing & I would maybe even have bought a record or two, if I didn't have infinite better things to do than give my money to shitheads)
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:48 (eight years ago) link
* RHP songs posted itt
i think calling him 'cranky' is pretty generous
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 June 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link
is it all that difficult to wrap your head around an artist being really good but also being a total asshole? why isn't this a tale as old as time
(obv many ppl are dropping into this thread just to say dude sucks, but rest of yall don't need to wring your hands so hard)
― een, Friday, 5 June 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link
Well part of my problem is that he's making headlines for his bad behavior, then people want to see what his music sounds like so they listen to "The Possum" and wonder why he has any fans. And I'm over here saying "Wait! This isn't the same dude that I became a fan of- try Young Love instead!"
― Evan, Friday, 5 June 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
And then they can say "Oh so he's an asshole you can hum along with at times."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 June 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
y'know, like Chris Brown
― Οὖτις, Friday, 5 June 2015 16:16 (eight years ago) link
I don't see why anybody would want to engage in the sort of hairsplitting which characterizes most "good artist/bad person" debates when the artist himself seems to get a perverse thrill out of tying the hairs back together at the earliest opportunity
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 5 June 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
I don't think people are having trouble "wrapping their head around it" so much as taking the time to call out abusive public behavior. The internet and era of instance democratized communication is not a tale as old as time, try wrapping your head around that.
Usually we find out about artist behaving bad after I've heard a bunch of their stuff, often years after it, often years after that person is dead even. I imagine if John Lennon was pulling abusive stuff in the age of the internet he would be called out on it on a daily basis.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 5 June 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
they have to phrase it as if everyone is a naive idiot pearl-clutching in shock rather than simply expressing disgust and disappointment, otherwise "i am capable of separating the art from the artist" would be a piddly thing to crow about
― da croupier, Friday, 5 June 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link
is this guy an alcoholic maybe?
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 June 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
i've been watching Vikings, and i think that he is a Viking maybe?
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 June 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
in his sleep maybe
― Οὖτις, Friday, 5 June 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
Oh boy, sleaze! That's where he's a viking
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 June 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link
he was well known to be in rehab as a teenager (for drugs) but i've never known alcohol be an issue with him, he's just been kind of a dick forever; it's more that his stature has risen to a point where people pay attention to his dickishness.
― akm, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
was he writing sadcore variations on g'n'rs "get in the ring" in 1995?
― da croupier, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
probably, they're just way more buried in metaphor
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 5 June 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
like, maybe he was always a meanie, but i'm still waiting for someone to actually pull up some notable quotes - let alone songs - from his first decade where he bullies people by their full name
― da croupier, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link
No it's definitely more of a thing now. As far as I know the extent of his dickishness in the past was simply giving people in the audience a hard time.
― Evan, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:32 (eight years ago) link
katy
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 5 June 2015 23:23 (eight years ago) link
lol sorry that is a deeply uncharitable reply
I was 100% onboard with him calling a bunch of hip urban 'new south' concertgoers hillbillies, because I hate Raleigh
lol u realize that probably half the people in that room were from CH/Durham/Carrboro right
― Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Saturday, 6 June 2015 00:14 (eight years ago) link
is this guy an alcoholic maybe?― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, June 5, 2015 1:44 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i've been watching Vikings, and i think that he is a Viking maybe?― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, June 5, 2015 1:53 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Obv I don't know him just his behavior um recalls some ppl that I have known I guess
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 June 2015 00:21 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, it sounds like some kind of radical transparency that probably spells trouble.
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 6 June 2015 00:36 (eight years ago) link
xp I understand exactly what you mean it resembles ppl floating around but not quite hitting the bottom
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 6 June 2015 01:11 (eight years ago) link
Kozelek is a noted boxing fan – on This Is My First Day … he recounts spending $17,000 on tickets for the recent Mayweather/Pacquiao fight, the result of Benji selling, he says, “enough copies that I’m living good!”
― slam dunk, Saturday, 6 June 2015 01:18 (eight years ago) link
honest question: why has this guy's stature risen? what's different from before? does he go on late shows and play coachella? has p4k been going full circle jerk on him?
― The Once-ler, Saturday, 6 June 2015 01:46 (eight years ago) link
Benji got the rare 9.x pfork rating which I think turned a lot of new folks onto him
― ciderpress, Saturday, 6 June 2015 01:48 (eight years ago) link
Oh fuckoff!
― The Once-ler, Saturday, 6 June 2015 01:52 (eight years ago) link
"Pitchfork- The Tastemaker!"
― The Once-ler, Saturday, 6 June 2015 01:59 (eight years ago) link
Benji is good
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 6 June 2015 02:02 (eight years ago) link
lol u realize that probably half the people in that room were from CH/Durham/Carrboro right― Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Saturday, June 6, 2015 12:14 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Saturday, 6 June 2015 02:56 (eight years ago) link
... really though, I'm just rationalizing what is at heart a pretty straightforward position: audience-baiting = generally cool, sometimes necessary & often funny; weird public airing of grievances = morally dubious & uncomfortable to watch
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Saturday, 6 June 2015 03:01 (eight years ago) link
** I am okay with that Spoon diss track where they call out the A&R guy who burned them ('How does it feel to go home & not be honest with anyone?' is a great line) but my opinion might change if they had called it "Lafitte, Suck My Cock"
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Saturday, 6 June 2015 03:03 (eight years ago) link
Kozelek has the rare distinction of making Morrissey look classy
― sonz of a croup da croupier (NickB), Saturday, 6 June 2015 11:01 (eight years ago) link
Yeah no I think that might actually be going too far
― sonz of a croup da croupier (NickB), Saturday, 6 June 2015 11:03 (eight years ago) link
Sorry Koz, you're no Moz
― sonz of a croup da croupier (NickB), Saturday, 6 June 2015 11:04 (eight years ago) link
until just now I'd never actually looked at/listened to the lyrics to that song about the War On Drugs
they read almost exactly like Anal Cunt lyrics
― pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 6 June 2015 12:53 (eight years ago) link
I just gave benji a try and this is not for me. The first track was nice enough but even then I didn't want to hear autobiographical stuff. Based on my interest of Sun Kil Moon revolving around only 2 songs (the ones I posted two days ago), it shouldn't come as a surprise that I can't get into this album at all. Whatever
― The Once-ler, Monday, 8 June 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link