Van Morrison: your views please

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I'm deep into the music of Van Morrison:

* Peerless, soulful voice.

* Gifted musician - guitar, alto sax, harmonica....

* Several hundred original compositions.

* Consistently high standard of album releases.

* Outstanding live performer.

I'd be very interested to hear what others think of Van the Man.

Gerry Smith, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

You have me at a loss. I have an enormous gut feeling that Van "The Man" is absolutely dreadful and the living antithesis of all I hold dear about music (make that "this week's living antithesis...") BUT I don't have a shred of evidence to back it up.

Tom, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yes agreed, but also several rather polished but tiresomely dull albums (Into the music/poetic champions compose/Day like this etc).

I'm glad you didn't say consistently high standard of live performance as he's done both one of the best and worst concerts I've ever been to. First in Glasgow around about 89' he was simply transcendent. The second at the same venue a year later he just couldn't be arsed, sloppy, insulting, bigoted, mean spirited wank. I think he'd got one of the roadies to yodel as a support and he was better than Van the Man that night.

He looks cool in a fedora though.

Billy Dods, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

And someone should tell Georgie Fame and Brian Kennedy to fuck off. Sycophantic bastards the pair of them.

Billy Dods, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

i love brown-eyed girl.

ethan, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think you'd like Them, Tom. I personally have not an iota of Celtic Soul abt me, and no longer cares who knows it. Moondance is kinda OK, and I like the way he was photographed on Astral Weeks to look more Kris Kristofferson than he actually ever did. At all.

mark s, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hearing the original "Have I Told You Lately That I Love You?" at my cousin's wedding for the couple's first dance was in fact a bit of a revelation, though admittedly in part because I was so used to the Rod Stewart borefest remake of same. But I honestly think I could get by with just a homemade CDR of highlights.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

The entire "Astral Weeks" album is just lovely, a perfect example of LP as self-contained work of art. I know he has other good (and bad) stuff, but "Astral Weeks" is on my "must own" list.

Sean, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

He's an easy target of mockery(around here anyway): the antithesis of post-punk, earnest caterwauling hippy mystic and faux jazz self- flagellation, a widebellied little big boss man but if you can get past all that TB Sheets & Astral Weeks are their own rewards. He radiates a kind of anticharisma from those beady little eyes, and even the narrators of his songs are unlikeable - squeamish at the sickbed of an ex-lover, vaguely pedophilic li'l schoolgirl lechery all over the place, and there's a dark narcissicism underlying everything. But somehow, I love those records.

fritz, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I like both Astral Weeks and Moondance a lot. Astral Weeks has that sort of unnameable dream quality that I associate with Neutral Milk Hotel. Like the compositions are steered by something very interntal, possibly unconcious. And boy, the bass playing on that record is so nice.

He's got so much & I know so little. I also like "Wavelength". Some of those long mid-70s pieces like "Listen to the Lion" are pretty painful.

Mark, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

What I wrote on the 'frat-rock' thread, i.e., should've stopped after 'Gloria'. Morrison = Meat Loaf with a Celtic burden of significance instead of cheezy American humour.

dave q, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Gerry - do you have that notorious 'contractual obligation' album he did to piss off Bang Records? (Includes "Here Comes Dumb George" and "The Big Royalty Cheque", I gather he had a bit of a beef with Bert Burns.) Now that I would love to hear.

dave q, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Those demos have been released on various semi-legit comps - 'Garbage Van' is my fave!

, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Since THEM, Van = A Turdburger.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

van morrison. please come on. let me have a big yaaaaaaaaaawn.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

There are a lot of very good reasons to dislike Van Morrison. 'Astral Weeks' isn't one of them, you can forgive just about anything after that.

stevo, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

On which album can I find more songs like "Wild Nights"? Any suggestions? It's the only song by VM I really love. Really love. I have access to a good dozen of his records at the local phonothèque (cd library), but every time I pick one up, I'm not in the mood for folky stuff and that's all I seem to get. So I dont really listen to it. Did VM ever write other swinging songs about boys doing the boogie-woogie on the corner of the street?

Simon, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Van is useless, has been since Them, and has inspired more shit music than anyone not called Bob Dylan, but there's an absolute pearler of a story about him in retired PR Keith Altman's 'No More Mr Nice Guy' should anyone want to hear it.

Snotty Moore, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Like "Wild Nights" - "Domino", "Bright Side of the Road", "Jackie Wilson Said". All on the Greatest Hits album which is essential, since it gathers up all the best bits from some extremely dodgy albums. You also need "Saint Dominic's Preview" and "Astral Weeks", but almost every other Van M album consists of a few good tracks (which will be on the compilation) and lots of padding.

Andrew Norman, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
[check]

g, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

[check 2] now now -- blocking threads like that isn't very nice!

Mrs. Grundy, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

[check 3] Hmm... try this, maybe?

Mrs. Grundy, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

What in god's name happened to this thread?

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Beautiful Vision, perfect album

dn, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Van Morrison's Greatest Hits doesn't has neither "TB Sheets" nor "The Way That Young Lovers Do." In fact, it doesn't have anything at all from Astral Weeks. I tried to convince my mom that she ought to throw it away and just buy his first five or six albums or whatever. She was having none of that.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 14 November 2004 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, I guess it has "Sweet Thing" on it, and it's not Greatest Hits it's The Best of BUT STILL. NO TB SHEETS. THAT IS UNFUCKINGACCEPTABLE.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 14 November 2004 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Cannot stand him, honestly.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 November 2004 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Why is this thread all fucked-up looking? Anyway Astral Weeks is like the greatest thing ever okbye.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Astral Weeks is an awful, sickly wedding cake of wobbly self-indulgence.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 November 2004 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Astral Weeks! And Mad T.V.!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

What I wrote on the 'frat-rock' thread, i.e., should've stopped after 'Gloria'. Morrison = Meat Loaf with a Celtic burden of significance instead of cheezy American humour. -- dave q (scrape10...), October 17th, 2001.

dave q., as usual, nails it. still, i give a thumb's up to astral weeks and moondance, and bits and pieces of all the rest.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

WTF IS with this thread anyway?

and didn't someone on ILX once post a rilly funny story about some (REALLY disgusting) thing that van's (understandably) pissed-off stage musicians did to one of his harmonicas?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

ok i found it:

Van Morrison is a prize curmudgeon by all accounts, which gives me an opportunity to pinch this from the rocking vicar
Van's Daily Dump
Van Morrison insists on his band turning up to rehearsals at bang on 8.30am, although Van himself often doesn't turn up until ten, and then goes straight to the toilet with a copy of Exchange & Mart to have a dump. One day, the band got so cross that they waited until Van was engaged and then, one by one, tip-toed over to Van's Sacred Harmonica Bag, full of harmonicas Van has collected from around the world, picked a specimen, and rubbed it in their anal clefts. Even now, when you see Van on Later, his band seemed particularly delighted when he does a harmonica solo.


-- Billy Dods (butterbubble...), September 4th, 2002.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Astral Weeks to bits, but I've never felt the need to get anything else.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Fixored this fuxor. Should be readable now.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks Sean; you're a treat.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Alex in NYC maybe MAYBE has a big lump of coal where his heart is.

Maybe.


Astral Weeks = very necessary.

The rest = meh. Ups and downs.

skowly (skowly), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i like veedon fleece.

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I find him dull except for Them.

Out of context, that would be a strange sentence.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Them + pretty much everything up to 1974 classic - although the amount of love lavished on Astral Weeks is a bit perplexing and St. Dominic's Preview in particular really should receive far more love than it seems to.

Nothing I've heard from him since 1974 seems to come close - although I'd be interested to see what other ILMers think of some of his more recent albums (especially Back On Top, Down The Road, What's Wrong With This Picture) since I have recently been entertaining the (probably fanciful) notion that he's about due for a sudden and unexpected return to form.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:24 (seventeen years ago) link

As somebody said on the Rod Stewart thread, that Fritz can really tell it like it is.

This message is not for Van haters, but for Van fans. I first got hip to Van when I saw the "Last Waltz." When he came out I thought "who the heck is that little fat guy, he's all flabby and dressed in a brown pantsuit? He looks like a middle-aged lady. On top of that he's doing this ridiculous chorus-line kicking." Then I kept listening and I shut up. His was the most definitive performance in the movie, his and Muddy Waters.

About Van sideman and territory-sharer Georgie Fame, who was dissed above: I saw Georgie once at Ronnie Scott's in London, and he put on one good show. He did one bit where, in a tribute to his former boss, he sang a medley of Moondance and some African song from a movie soundtrack (was it one of those Cornel Wilde things?) that was pretty damn great.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Them's version of 'Its all over now, baby blue' is classic. Astral weeks is obviously amazing. I don't give a fuck about anything else he did, and neither should anyone else.

prov, Monday, 15 November 2004 06:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the haters maybe don't like Van because of his jazz leanings. C'mon people, who do you think he is, Sting? The

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:21 (seventeen years ago) link

A second for 'Beautiful Vision.' Great album that my folks used to put on when I was 7 or 8. Don't know if I'd have the same reaction to it if I heard it for the first time now, though.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't like him b/c the timbre of his voice grates on me for some reason. Sorry, VM lovers!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"the antithesis of post-punk, earnest caterwauling hippy mystic and faux jazz self- flagellation"

I've never thought of Van Morrison as hippy-anything (or especially earnest, for that matter). Unlike the faux-mysticism of, say, Led Zeppelin, Van's lyrics steer clear of gnomes and m'ladys, are grounded instead in back alleys, snowstorms, trains, Safeway supermarkets, and memory. More importantly, the music is equally grounded: in r&b. His 70's catalogue (Moondance, Tupelo Honey, St Dominick's Preview, Hardnose the Highway, Veedon Fleece, and though it's '69, Astral Weeks belongs in this group too) is at least as strong as Al Green's. After that, for the most part it seems like he started reading a bit too much of his own press: yes, the mysticism did start to grate. I've been listening to him a lot again. He good.

Burr (Burr), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

He's supposedly a mean drunk.

shookout (shookout), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Unlike the faux-mysticism of, say, Led Zeppelin, Van's lyrics steer clear of gnomes and m'ladys,
??? Sorry, those two terms do not appear anywhere in any LZ song.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry, I should have said dark lords and elders of the gentle race.

Burr (Burr), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Thank you, that'll be fine.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

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end of that interview is amazing.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 19:10 (one year ago) link

xp Yes! New browser extension where instead of blocking the time-wasting websites it just forces you to listen to Van's latest record project the whole time you're on them.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 19:15 (one year ago) link

Well, someone *loves* the new album...

... appalling Tory dickhead, Dylan Jones, to be precise.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 19:16 (one year ago) link

Funny name, does he sing “ballad of a thin man” to himself?

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 23:12 (one year ago) link

So Van's label tried selling signed copies of this to help sales, and they even posted a photo of him signing one. But fans started to grumble that the signatures were fake - at least one reported by the press resembled a printed or stamped signature (the ink's uniform instead of a path of ink traced along by a writing instrument), and several photos of different signed CD's owned by different people have completely identical signatures even though they're placed on different parts of the booklet. (I just saw After the Thin Man for the first time last week, and hilariously this very subject figures in that film where they identify forged signatures using the same method - putting two checks on top of each other over a light and discovering they are more or less identical.) His management has already denied this, pointing to the photo of evidence. All this somehow feels appropriate given Van's support of the same bullshit theories spouted by the orange Mussolini who has relocated to Florida.

birdistheword, Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:31 (one year ago) link

hmmm....that's interesting. because at this point i'd think they could probably predict exactly how many copies of a new van morrison album they were going to sell give or take a thousand or two.

guess the press must be turning off some of the hardcore fans

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:35 (one year ago) link

The price wasn't marked up much, if at all, so maybe whoever organized it thought it was "okay" because of that. Plus Van probably said "I'm not signing a thousand f-ing CD's!"

birdistheword, Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:41 (one year ago) link

Van probably said "I'm not signing a thousand f-ing CD's!"

Fixed that for you.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:44 (one year ago) link

"Bring me some Edison Cylinders!"

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:53 (one year ago) link

van usually seems so pumped about going the extra mile to please his fans. disappointed he would be involved in a lazy ripoff

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:57 (one year ago) link

He signed some for us last time around, so, not unheard of for him to do this. They weren't auto-penned or anything, but there also weren't that many. 100 or so, I think.

mr.raffles, Thursday, 13 May 2021 23:02 (one year ago) link

important new interview i enjoyed very much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrVM089byI

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 27 May 2021 10:19 (one year ago) link

Picturing Van standing (alone) outside a vaccine centre with a placard with "Down with this sort of thing" on it.

https://news.sky.com/story/vaccine-programme-opens-to-all-adults-in-northern-ireland-12318011

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 11:54 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

This is Extra ordinary . pic.twitter.com/M0jmA0JIf2

— Stephen Nolan (@StephenNolan) June 11, 2021

Working out the chorus lyrics for volume 2 in public these days.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 June 2021 19:24 (one year ago) link

Why's Van so angry? Rangers won the league this year

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 11 June 2021 19:28 (one year ago) link

Not 100% sure about the chronology, but hours before Nolan tweeted that, he also reported about four Van Morrison gigs that had been cancelled the previous day "at the last minute," so Van could be particularly angry about that happening.

I've never actually seen Van lose it and scream like that before - a pretty sad sight, but at least we got an amusing "Brown-Eyed Girl" request. (Of course Van didn't look amused.)

birdistheword, Friday, 11 June 2021 19:57 (one year ago) link

Unexpected'zinger' there from the DUP's Ian Paisley Jr.

PaulTMA, Friday, 11 June 2021 20:46 (one year ago) link

Ah, that's who "junior" was. Not someone I'd ever vote for.

birdistheword, Friday, 11 June 2021 21:40 (one year ago) link

This is the calibre of person Van hangs out with these days.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 11 June 2021 21:51 (one year ago) link

Might have to remove this bookmark. Nothing good happening with Van.

that's not my post, Friday, 11 June 2021 21:54 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

I heard Van Morrison had announced the postponement of shows via social media (including Facebook!) specifically due to health concerns for his audience over the omicron variant. For a second, I thought maybe he saw the error of his ways, and indeed, announcements with those specifics were made via Facebook, Twitter et al...but they also used the pronoun "we" (i.e. his management). In the days following those posts, new ones with the pronoun "I" (i.e the man himself) pretty much groused what he's already been grousing for the past year.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 17:26 (six months ago) link

He has a Chicago show coming up in May, and the first thing that pops up on the link to Ticketmaster from his tour page is "The Event Organizer is requiring proof of COVID-19 vaccination to attend this event."

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 21:25 (six months ago) link

Van is offering his jelly roll to so many people with such frequency. I hope they are actually separately wrapped jelly rolls.

Bixby in a Samsung I know it's Siri-esque (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 21 February 2022 02:24 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

I guess he's cranked out another album.

Tracklist:

1. Dangerous
2. What's It Gonna Take?
3. Fighting Back is the New Normal
4. Fodder for the Masses
5. Can't Go On This Way
6. Sometimes It's Just Blah Blah Blah
7. Money From America
8. Not Seeking Approval
9. Damage and Recovery
10. Nervous Breakdown
11. Absolutely Positively the Most
12. I Ain’t No Celebrity
13. Stage Name
14. Fear and Self-Loathing in Las Vegas
15. Pretending

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91MDCAJgN9L._SX425_.jpg

I'm guessing a hard pass for me.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 17:48 (four months ago) link

Completists hardest hit

So's your imam (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 17:49 (four months ago) link

Seriously, this feels like an April Fools' joke four days late.

But it isn't.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 17:51 (four months ago) link

LOL what a fucking idiot Van "the Man" turned out to be.

Phil McCracken (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 17:55 (four months ago) link

Pains me to say this, but given his long history of being a shit in general, it's not a huge surprise.

The difference is the assholery has now become and overwhelmed his music whereas in the past it was an occasional annoyance.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 17:59 (four months ago) link

ILX Pre-Covers?

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:03 (four months ago) link

Sometimes It's Just Blah Blah Blah

Brad C., Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:06 (four months ago) link

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51VYB8UMFtL._SX290_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Came Here to Roll the Microscope (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:09 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

Van Morrison has issued legal proceedings against Northern Ireland’s Department of Health and its minister Robin Swann over an opinion piece written for Rolling Stone magazine.

The op-ed called Morrison’s songs about the pandemic a “smear” on those involved in the public health response to the virus and highlighted the damage the musician might cause to public messaging around Covid-19 in Northern Ireland.

Morrison’s solicitors, John J Rice and Co, confirmed that he was taking legal action against the Department of Health and Swann, but declined to specify on what grounds.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 15:10 (two months ago) link

I was going to say Robin Swann is the one who should be sueing him judging by that video post upthread but I think Mr. Swann should be content to allow Van to make a public ass himself with his good buddy Ian Paisley Jr.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:23 (two months ago) link

Absolutely, Van's doing a perfectly fine job of digging himself into a hole. Still massively disappointed that this will likely be the final, ignominious chapter of Van's career.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:49 (two months ago) link

(I'm sure there will be many more shows and many more records to come, but nothing that will supplant the nuttery going on now.)

birdistheword, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:50 (two months ago) link

The decline of Armond White from crazy to lazy goes with the new Van lyrics he adoringly quotes; the music may be better, but firmly attached to this shit, it may well not matter---anyway, yeah, this is just quotes set in gush, but if you're morbidly, self-abusingly curious, here 'tis: https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/05/van-morrisons-songs-of-the-free/

dow, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 19:04 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

hooked on purple heather right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLvf1UVAotc

Spottie, Thursday, 4 August 2022 21:12 (one week ago) link

an album that should be in the good LP / WTF cover thread...

that's not my post, Thursday, 4 August 2022 22:57 (one week ago) link

Fans should get The Philosopher's Stone - it includes a ton of outtakes. Altogether, if you took like the seven best outtakes and included the single, "Warm Love," I think the final result would've been another masterpiece for Van. I was never that crazy about what he ended up submitting, it's kind of a so-so album to me.

(IIRC he considered making it a double LP. Wonder what that would've been.)

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 August 2022 23:33 (one week ago) link

Something like...

Side A:
Warm Love
Wonderful Remark
Madame Joy
Contemplation Rose

Side B:
Not Supposed to Break Down
There There Child
Drumshanbo Hustle
Try for Sleep

...I'd really enjoy. There's probably a few other songs that would've been great too. He cut a great cover of Fleetwood Mac/Christine McVie's "Spare Me a Little" that I would've loved. (It hasn't been officially released. The bootleg sounds like it came from a cassette dubbed from a dub, etc.)

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 August 2022 23:43 (one week ago) link

Ah, from Clinton Heylin's book (via Wikipedia):

Recorded during a series of prolific recording sessions, there was more than enough material to fill a double-album. Morrison proposed the idea to Warner Bros. Records, but he was ultimately convinced to release a single LP. During the recording sessions held between August and November 1972, there were nearly thirty songs recorded in all, at least three-quarters of them original compositions. A few leftover tracks were saved or re-recorded for future albums like Veedon Fleece, but most would not see release until 1998's compilation of outtakes, The Philosopher's Stone, when nine of the songs would be used. Biographer Clinton Heylin suggested that "only 'Warm Love' and 'Hard Nose the Highway' could have sat comfortably alongside 'rejects' like 'Madame Joy', 'Bulbs', 'Spare Me a Little', 'Country Fair', 'Contemplation Rose' and 'Drumshanbo Hustle'."

birdistheword, Thursday, 4 August 2022 23:48 (one week ago) link

xpost that's a great track list from Philosopher's Stone. I've got several of those tunes on my Van playlist.

that's not my post, Friday, 5 August 2022 01:53 (one week ago) link

Just because... Van & Dylan in Athens playing Foreign Window.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtqB6JSiHNg

that's not my post, Friday, 5 August 2022 01:55 (one week ago) link

Johnny Winter ended up with one of those outtakes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH3ha9O1EjQ

Winter had some great connections back then, as his prior album had "Silver Train" before the Stones and his next album had a then-unreleased John Lennon song.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 August 2022 02:07 (one week ago) link

xxp thanks! That whole collection is really worth getting. I wish he followed through on a volume two!

birdistheword, Friday, 5 August 2022 02:39 (one week ago) link

I just listened to all those you posted. So good! Hadnt heard any of them. Do you not like purple heather?

Spottie, Friday, 5 August 2022 03:31 (one week ago) link

^love me some purple heather

that's not my post, Friday, 5 August 2022 03:55 (one week ago) link

I like "Purple Heather" - this was actually my introduction to "Wild Mountain Thyme"! I was just leaning towards originals when I slapped that track list together.

birdistheword, Friday, 5 August 2022 14:09 (one week ago) link

ah i see. thanks for that list, again.

Spottie, Friday, 5 August 2022 16:51 (one week ago) link

You're welcome! Again, I wish I knew what that double LP would have looked like - I imagine it would include everything that was released on Hard Nose.

birdistheword, Friday, 5 August 2022 17:33 (one week ago) link


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