Van Morrison: your views please

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I'm deep into the music of Van Morrison:

* Peerless, soulful voice.

* Gifted musician - guitar, alto sax, harmonica....

* Several hundred original compositions.

* Consistently high standard of album releases.

* Outstanding live performer.

I'd be very interested to hear what others think of Van the Man.

Gerry Smith, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

You have me at a loss. I have an enormous gut feeling that Van "The Man" is absolutely dreadful and the living antithesis of all I hold dear about music (make that "this week's living antithesis...") BUT I don't have a shred of evidence to back it up.

Tom, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes agreed, but also several rather polished but tiresomely dull albums (Into the music/poetic champions compose/Day like this etc).

I'm glad you didn't say consistently high standard of live performance as he's done both one of the best and worst concerts I've ever been to. First in Glasgow around about 89' he was simply transcendent. The second at the same venue a year later he just couldn't be arsed, sloppy, insulting, bigoted, mean spirited wank. I think he'd got one of the roadies to yodel as a support and he was better than Van the Man that night.

He looks cool in a fedora though.

Billy Dods, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

And someone should tell Georgie Fame and Brian Kennedy to fuck off. Sycophantic bastards the pair of them.

Billy Dods, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i love brown-eyed girl.

ethan, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think you'd like Them, Tom. I personally have not an iota of Celtic Soul abt me, and no longer cares who knows it. Moondance is kinda OK, and I like the way he was photographed on Astral Weeks to look more Kris Kristofferson than he actually ever did. At all.

mark s, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hearing the original "Have I Told You Lately That I Love You?" at my cousin's wedding for the couple's first dance was in fact a bit of a revelation, though admittedly in part because I was so used to the Rod Stewart borefest remake of same. But I honestly think I could get by with just a homemade CDR of highlights.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The entire "Astral Weeks" album is just lovely, a perfect example of LP as self-contained work of art. I know he has other good (and bad) stuff, but "Astral Weeks" is on my "must own" list.

Sean, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

He's an easy target of mockery(around here anyway): the antithesis of post-punk, earnest caterwauling hippy mystic and faux jazz self- flagellation, a widebellied little big boss man but if you can get past all that TB Sheets & Astral Weeks are their own rewards. He radiates a kind of anticharisma from those beady little eyes, and even the narrators of his songs are unlikeable - squeamish at the sickbed of an ex-lover, vaguely pedophilic li'l schoolgirl lechery all over the place, and there's a dark narcissicism underlying everything. But somehow, I love those records.

fritz, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I like both Astral Weeks and Moondance a lot. Astral Weeks has that sort of unnameable dream quality that I associate with Neutral Milk Hotel. Like the compositions are steered by something very interntal, possibly unconcious. And boy, the bass playing on that record is so nice.

He's got so much & I know so little. I also like "Wavelength". Some of those long mid-70s pieces like "Listen to the Lion" are pretty painful.

Mark, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What I wrote on the 'frat-rock' thread, i.e., should've stopped after 'Gloria'. Morrison = Meat Loaf with a Celtic burden of significance instead of cheezy American humour.

dave q, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Gerry - do you have that notorious 'contractual obligation' album he did to piss off Bang Records? (Includes "Here Comes Dumb George" and "The Big Royalty Cheque", I gather he had a bit of a beef with Bert Burns.) Now that I would love to hear.

dave q, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Those demos have been released on various semi-legit comps - 'Garbage Van' is my fave!

, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Since THEM, Van = A Turdburger.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

van morrison. please come on. let me have a big yaaaaaaaaaawn.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

There are a lot of very good reasons to dislike Van Morrison. 'Astral Weeks' isn't one of them, you can forgive just about anything after that.

stevo, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

On which album can I find more songs like "Wild Nights"? Any suggestions? It's the only song by VM I really love. Really love. I have access to a good dozen of his records at the local phonothèque (cd library), but every time I pick one up, I'm not in the mood for folky stuff and that's all I seem to get. So I dont really listen to it. Did VM ever write other swinging songs about boys doing the boogie-woogie on the corner of the street?

Simon, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Van is useless, has been since Them, and has inspired more shit music than anyone not called Bob Dylan, but there's an absolute pearler of a story about him in retired PR Keith Altman's 'No More Mr Nice Guy' should anyone want to hear it.

Snotty Moore, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Like "Wild Nights" - "Domino", "Bright Side of the Road", "Jackie Wilson Said". All on the Greatest Hits album which is essential, since it gathers up all the best bits from some extremely dodgy albums. You also need "Saint Dominic's Preview" and "Astral Weeks", but almost every other Van M album consists of a few good tracks (which will be on the compilation) and lots of padding.

Andrew Norman, Thursday, 18 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
[check]

g, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

[check 2] now now -- blocking threads like that isn't very nice!

Mrs. Grundy, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

[check 3] Hmm... try this, maybe?

Mrs. Grundy, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What in god's name happened to this thread?

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Beautiful Vision, perfect album

dn, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Van Morrison's Greatest Hits doesn't has neither "TB Sheets" nor "The Way That Young Lovers Do." In fact, it doesn't have anything at all from Astral Weeks. I tried to convince my mom that she ought to throw it away and just buy his first five or six albums or whatever. She was having none of that.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 14 November 2004 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link

oh, I guess it has "Sweet Thing" on it, and it's not Greatest Hits it's The Best of BUT STILL. NO TB SHEETS. THAT IS UNFUCKINGACCEPTABLE.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 14 November 2004 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Cannot stand him, honestly.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 November 2004 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Why is this thread all fucked-up looking? Anyway Astral Weeks is like the greatest thing ever okbye.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Astral Weeks is an awful, sickly wedding cake of wobbly self-indulgence.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 November 2004 21:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I love Astral Weeks! And Mad T.V.!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link

What I wrote on the 'frat-rock' thread, i.e., should've stopped after 'Gloria'. Morrison = Meat Loaf with a Celtic burden of significance instead of cheezy American humour. -- dave q (scrape10...), October 17th, 2001.

dave q., as usual, nails it. still, i give a thumb's up to astral weeks and moondance, and bits and pieces of all the rest.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

WTF IS with this thread anyway?

and didn't someone on ILX once post a rilly funny story about some (REALLY disgusting) thing that van's (understandably) pissed-off stage musicians did to one of his harmonicas?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link

ok i found it:

Van Morrison is a prize curmudgeon by all accounts, which gives me an opportunity to pinch this from the rocking vicar
Van's Daily Dump
Van Morrison insists on his band turning up to rehearsals at bang on 8.30am, although Van himself often doesn't turn up until ten, and then goes straight to the toilet with a copy of Exchange & Mart to have a dump. One day, the band got so cross that they waited until Van was engaged and then, one by one, tip-toed over to Van's Sacred Harmonica Bag, full of harmonicas Van has collected from around the world, picked a specimen, and rubbed it in their anal clefts. Even now, when you see Van on Later, his band seemed particularly delighted when he does a harmonica solo.


-- Billy Dods (butterbubble...), September 4th, 2002.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link

I love Astral Weeks to bits, but I've never felt the need to get anything else.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Fixored this fuxor. Should be readable now.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Thanks Sean; you're a treat.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Alex in NYC maybe MAYBE has a big lump of coal where his heart is.

Maybe.


Astral Weeks = very necessary.

The rest = meh. Ups and downs.

skowly (skowly), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:08 (sixteen years ago) link

i like veedon fleece.

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:12 (sixteen years ago) link

I find him dull except for Them.

Out of context, that would be a strange sentence.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Them + pretty much everything up to 1974 classic - although the amount of love lavished on Astral Weeks is a bit perplexing and St. Dominic's Preview in particular really should receive far more love than it seems to.

Nothing I've heard from him since 1974 seems to come close - although I'd be interested to see what other ILMers think of some of his more recent albums (especially Back On Top, Down The Road, What's Wrong With This Picture) since I have recently been entertaining the (probably fanciful) notion that he's about due for a sudden and unexpected return to form.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link

As somebody said on the Rod Stewart thread, that Fritz can really tell it like it is.

This message is not for Van haters, but for Van fans. I first got hip to Van when I saw the "Last Waltz." When he came out I thought "who the heck is that little fat guy, he's all flabby and dressed in a brown pantsuit? He looks like a middle-aged lady. On top of that he's doing this ridiculous chorus-line kicking." Then I kept listening and I shut up. His was the most definitive performance in the movie, his and Muddy Waters.

About Van sideman and territory-sharer Georgie Fame, who was dissed above: I saw Georgie once at Ronnie Scott's in London, and he put on one good show. He did one bit where, in a tribute to his former boss, he sang a medley of Moondance and some African song from a movie soundtrack (was it one of those Cornel Wilde things?) that was pretty damn great.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Them's version of 'Its all over now, baby blue' is classic. Astral weeks is obviously amazing. I don't give a fuck about anything else he did, and neither should anyone else.

prov, Monday, 15 November 2004 06:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I think the haters maybe don't like Van because of his jazz leanings. C'mon people, who do you think he is, Sting? The

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:21 (sixteen years ago) link

A second for 'Beautiful Vision.' Great album that my folks used to put on when I was 7 or 8. Don't know if I'd have the same reaction to it if I heard it for the first time now, though.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't like him b/c the timbre of his voice grates on me for some reason. Sorry, VM lovers!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link

"the antithesis of post-punk, earnest caterwauling hippy mystic and faux jazz self- flagellation"

I've never thought of Van Morrison as hippy-anything (or especially earnest, for that matter). Unlike the faux-mysticism of, say, Led Zeppelin, Van's lyrics steer clear of gnomes and m'ladys, are grounded instead in back alleys, snowstorms, trains, Safeway supermarkets, and memory. More importantly, the music is equally grounded: in r&b. His 70's catalogue (Moondance, Tupelo Honey, St Dominick's Preview, Hardnose the Highway, Veedon Fleece, and though it's '69, Astral Weeks belongs in this group too) is at least as strong as Al Green's. After that, for the most part it seems like he started reading a bit too much of his own press: yes, the mysticism did start to grate. I've been listening to him a lot again. He good.

Burr (Burr), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:20 (sixteen years ago) link

He's supposedly a mean drunk.

shookout (shookout), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Unlike the faux-mysticism of, say, Led Zeppelin, Van's lyrics steer clear of gnomes and m'ladys,
??? Sorry, those two terms do not appear anywhere in any LZ song.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry, I should have said dark lords and elders of the gentle race.

Burr (Burr), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Thank you, that'll be fine.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link

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There’s a hypnotic quality after a dozen or two repeats of the line “Why are you on Facebook?” and by the end I was pilled.

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Monday, 10 May 2021 02:25 (one week ago) link

just read the youtube comments section for "they own the media"

lotta nazis there

unknown or illegal user (doo rag), Monday, 10 May 2021 03:25 (one week ago) link

imagine my shock

unknown or illegal user (doo rag), Monday, 10 May 2021 03:25 (one week ago) link

Don’t we kind of expect that at this point, though? Every great artist seems to have about a decade of great output followed by a decade of falling off followed by a lifetime of competent but completely inessential dross

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 10 May 2021 04:22 (one week ago) link

Van has done some good material in the 2000s overall, I'd say, until now, his quality ratio is better than most of his contemporaries

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 May 2021 13:06 (one week ago) link

I liked something I heard recently, "Close Enough for Jazz," I think, but yeah.

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 May 2021 13:28 (one week ago) link

Don’t we kind of expect that at this point, though? Every great artist seems to have about a decade of great output followed by a decade of falling off followed by a lifetime of competent but completely inessential dross

In pop music that's usually the case mainly because it's so rooted in youth culture, and that's always changing. But the resulting doctrinal belief has also unfairly shortchanged older artists who do excellent work later on. The argument becomes much weaker when you look outside of pop music - Miles Davis and Duke Ellington are the first two that come to mind, creating masterpieces several decades apart. I'm reluctant to go along with the idea because it leads to some misguided judgment. Again, it's understandably a common argument in pop music, but it's dubious when brought it up in other art forms, never mind other areas of music.

birdistheword, Monday, 10 May 2021 13:37 (one week ago) link

But as mentioned, his recorded output over the last 20 years is nearly a waste

not to defend the guy who put out latest record project vol 1 but born to sing: no plan b and keep me singing came out within the past decade and are really lovely records

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 10 May 2021 13:47 (one week ago) link

xp - I was thinking Scott Walker, Johnny Cash, David Bowie - artists that started in something close to pop (at least compared to Miles and Duke) and yet managed to put out great (and popular) records practically from their deathbeds.

worth her weight in dogecoin (Lee626), Monday, 10 May 2021 13:49 (one week ago) link

As a rule of thumb I'd say it applies, mostly. With exceptions, of course, as mentioned. And yeah, a lot less so outside of pop music.

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 May 2021 13:53 (one week ago) link

xpost - Brad - have you listened to Magic Time from 2005? I really like that one

Blackstar by Bowie is a masterpiece but overall, I think if you take Van post, say 1990, versus Bowie's output, he's way more consistent and it's not that close

I just feel like a lot of people are assuming things about a discography they haven't and don't intend to listen to

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 May 2021 14:00 (one week ago) link

though at the same time, they are so different...Bowie was always looking around for new things, like working with NIN or doing drum n bass stuff etc, where Van just has his vein of soul/jazz/r&b that he worked his whole career so maybe it's not that surprising

this new album is shockingly bad though

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 May 2021 14:01 (one week ago) link

Morrison/Bowie definitely feels like an inapt comparison; Morrison/Lemmy is probably a better one. There was a new Motörhead album every two years, and every one had at least 3-4 great new songs on it. And no one outside the core fan base gave a shit.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 10 May 2021 14:18 (one week ago) link

haha yeah actually that's a great one actually i never would have thought of that

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 May 2021 14:27 (one week ago) link

And Van and Lemmy were roommates in the 60s! That's when they hatched their plans for continued musical relevance into the next millennium.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 10 May 2021 14:34 (one week ago) link

i like magic time quite a bit!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 10 May 2021 14:39 (one week ago) link

xpost roommates! wow I can't believe I never heard that

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 May 2021 14:48 (one week ago) link

Now I don't know where I read that, I can't find confirmation online.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 10 May 2021 14:53 (one week ago) link

I cannot imagine Lemmy putting up with Van Morrison for any length of time tbh.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 10 May 2021 15:02 (one week ago) link

Oh, to be a fly on any other wall than whatever walls may have enclosed those two.

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 May 2021 15:47 (one week ago) link

Lemmy angry with Van for finishing the Crispix

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 10 May 2021 15:56 (one week ago) link

The Old Before Their Time Ones

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 May 2021 16:12 (one week ago) link

probably best to start with these killer last frames for the Lemmy & Van Sunday comic and work backwards: "he ate the grapes. he ate the grapes.", "bring me the Raid. bring me the Raid.", "cookies, I made. cookies, I made."(dressed as yoda for halloween)

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 10 May 2021 16:27 (one week ago) link

I really need that "Who's Grumpy" boot

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 10 May 2021 23:54 (one week ago) link

Just checked out "Why are you on Facebook?" I guess you could think of it as him making music relevant to his own age group, and if it were a joke song I might even like it, esp. the long-drawn out "Facebooook" at the end of the chorus. What bums me out is knowing he's 100% serious.

Lily Dale, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 00:25 (six days ago) link

I listened to all of Van Morrison's solo records through to 1991's Hymns to the Silence. I hit the wall with that one and didn't want to go any further. It felt like a bunch of safe adult contemporary with no creative spark. He was consistently interesting before that though - even has a bunch of very good 1980s records like No Guru, No Method, No Teacher and Beautiful Vision.

aphoristical, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 00:30 (six days ago) link

I quite liked Down the Road, from 2002, I think? It didn't blow me away, but it had nice bittersweet/nostalgic vibe and there are a few songs on it that still stick in my mind: "The Beauty of the Days Gone By," "What Makes the Irish Heart Beat," the title track, maybe some others.

Lily Dale, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 00:35 (six days ago) link

I quite liked Down the Road, from 2002, I think? It didn't blow me away, but it had nice bittersweet/nostalgic vibe and there are a few songs on it that still stick in my mind: "The Beauty of the Days Gone By," "What Makes the Irish Heart Beat," the title track, maybe some others.

Yeah, that grew out of Choppin' Wood after he fired Linda Gail Lewis and proceeded to mix her out or re-record the songs while dropping a few and adding a whole lot more. To be fair "Fast Train" (not "Fast Road" as I said earlier, I mentally squashed that title in with "Down the Road") is a great track, so that would have been missed, but otherwise I strongly prefer Choppin' Wood. Also, "Down the Road" is a great track, but it was also a 20-year-old song that he held back until then - not an unusual practice for Van, but in hindsight, it's like he had tapped that reserve completely dry. (He hasn't, there are some excellent songs that to this day are available only as bootlegged outtakes. But at this point, I don't think I'd want to hear newly recorded versions of them.)

birdistheword, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 03:16 (six days ago) link

the healing game I liked a lot at the time but haven’t listened to it in forever

keep me singing was good. “out in the cold again” is really affecting despite the first line being
‘I was Mr Nice Guy too long’

brimstead, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 03:52 (six days ago) link

"In Tiburon" off Keep Me Singing was really beautiful too, singing about a San Francisco that's about as far away as some ancient Celtic village now

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:08 (six days ago) link

TIL that Garth Hudson played organ on Wavelength

Also Bobby Tench is no relation to Benmont Tench

Triumph of the Willa Cather (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:52 (six days ago) link

Excellent things to L.

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:39 (six days ago) link

isn’t there a really awesome song on a musical history that’s literally Van fronting The Band sometime in the 70s? or did I dream that? Think it might be on philosopher’s stone too

brimstead, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 20:32 (six days ago) link

He sang on their song "4% Pantomime", from Cahoots.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 20:34 (six days ago) link

And co-wrote it too.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 20:34 (six days ago) link

hmmm yeah that’s probably what I’m thinking of

brimstead, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 20:35 (six days ago) link

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/van-morrison-john-cooper-clarke

Well, someone *loves* the new album...

(The article writer, not JCC...)

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 17:30 (five days ago) link

looking forward to Latest Record Project, Volume 2: Have I told you lately that I hate you

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 17:39 (five days ago) link

I need my laptop to play “Why Are You on Facebook?” every time I go to the website.

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 19:09 (five days ago) link

end of that interview is amazing.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 19:10 (five days ago) link

xp Yes! New browser extension where instead of blocking the time-wasting websites it just forces you to listen to Van's latest record project the whole time you're on them.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 19:15 (five days ago) link

Well, someone *loves* the new album...

... appalling Tory dickhead, Dylan Jones, to be precise.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 19:16 (five days ago) link

Funny name, does he sing “ballad of a thin man” to himself?

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 23:12 (five days ago) link

So Van's label tried selling signed copies of this to help sales, and they even posted a photo of him signing one. But fans started to grumble that the signatures were fake - at least one reported by the press resembled a printed or stamped signature (the ink's uniform instead of a path of ink traced along by a writing instrument), and several photos of different signed CD's owned by different people have completely identical signatures even though they're placed on different parts of the booklet. (I just saw After the Thin Man for the first time last week, and hilariously this very subject figures in that film where they identify forged signatures using the same method - putting two checks on top of each other over a light and discovering they are more or less identical.) His management has already denied this, pointing to the photo of evidence. All this somehow feels appropriate given Van's support of the same bullshit theories spouted by the orange Mussolini who has relocated to Florida.

birdistheword, Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:31 (four days ago) link

hmmm....that's interesting. because at this point i'd think they could probably predict exactly how many copies of a new van morrison album they were going to sell give or take a thousand or two.

guess the press must be turning off some of the hardcore fans

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:35 (four days ago) link

The price wasn't marked up much, if at all, so maybe whoever organized it thought it was "okay" because of that. Plus Van probably said "I'm not signing a thousand f-ing CD's!"

birdistheword, Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:41 (four days ago) link

Van probably said "I'm not signing a thousand f-ing CD's!"

Fixed that for you.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:44 (four days ago) link

"Bring me some Edison Cylinders!"

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:53 (four days ago) link

van usually seems so pumped about going the extra mile to please his fans. disappointed he would be involved in a lazy ripoff

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:57 (four days ago) link

He signed some for us last time around, so, not unheard of for him to do this. They weren't auto-penned or anything, but there also weren't that many. 100 or so, I think.

mr.raffles, Thursday, 13 May 2021 23:02 (four days ago) link


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