Anyone?
:)
Thanks
― Mark Harris, Thursday, 4 March 2004 09:38 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 March 2004 09:40 (twenty years ago) link
Also, almost everything purportedly written by Andy himself is entertaining but highly dubious factually.
― anode (anode), Thursday, 4 March 2004 09:55 (twenty years ago) link
Albin Zak's The Velvet Underground Companion
Clinton Heylin's From the Velvets to the Voidoids
John Cale and Victor Bockris' What's Welsh For Zen? (Cale's first autobiography. there's a new biography out called Sedition and Alchemy, but i haven't read that one.)
― tod (tod), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:01 (twenty years ago) link
― tod (tod), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:03 (twenty years ago) link
― tod (tod), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:07 (twenty years ago) link
― anode (anode), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:10 (twenty years ago) link
i wish the book had more to say about the music, though, that's for sure. i wanted to know about how his albums were made, and what his opinions on them were today. everything seemed to be bad memories to this guy.
― tod (tod), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:22 (twenty years ago) link
on the money. i hated Cale by the end of it
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:38 (twenty years ago) link
― nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:44 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:49 (twenty years ago) link
(RealPlayer required)
― tod (tod), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:01 (twenty years ago) link
― lovebug starski, Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:52 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:54 (twenty years ago) link
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:04 (twenty years ago) link
― anode (anode), Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:17 (twenty years ago) link
a similar thing happened the following year when i couldn't believe a student teacher hadn't heard of, uh...superchunk. "wtf, don't you go to university?!" as if people in college aren't the same jerks from high school, a year older. that realization was a major crash and burn for me. D~~:
but no doubt, warhol diaries are champ.
― brian badword (badwords), Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago) link
― jimmy the doom saint, Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:51 (twenty years ago) link
― zappi (joni), Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:58 (twenty years ago) link
It's worth starting right at the beginning to get the history of the troubled Sedgwick family, rather than skipping straight to the Velvets period.
The overall mystery at the end though is why everyone thought she was so wonderful - but it's a really good read.
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 4 March 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link
But then I generally find the Warhol hangers on - Penny Arcade, Mary Waranov, Gerard Malanga - fairly unbearable.
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 4 March 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago) link
― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 4 March 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link
― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 4 March 2004 14:59 (twenty years ago) link
i don't think i've ever read a good book about the velvet underground
― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 4 March 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link
I have to agree with that too. In fact I thought no one, except Moe Tucker, came off looking very good in that book. Not that Bockris intentionally slagged anyone, but the resentment btwn the members was pretty obvious. Cale most of all I thought.
― kar120c, Thursday, 4 March 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 4 March 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 4 March 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 4 March 2004 15:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 4 March 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago) link
I think I know what I'll be reading for the next while :)
― Mark Harris, Thursday, 4 March 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 4 March 2004 19:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Thursday, 4 March 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago) link
I didn't realize Tod already mentioned this. Sorry.
― Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Thursday, 4 March 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago) link
£40 or nearest offer.
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Friday, 5 March 2004 04:24 (twenty years ago) link
― lovebug starski, Friday, 5 March 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 March 2004 11:23 (twenty years ago) link
― lovebug starski, Friday, 5 March 2004 18:34 (twenty years ago) link
http://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/photo.goodreads.com/books/1217257710i/1087174._UY200_.jpg
reading this right now. i always have fun reading Warhol. IT IS SO GOOD! just got to 1965. loved this passage:
A lot of people thought that it was me everyone at the Factory was hanging around, that I was some kind of big attraction that everyone came to see, but that's absolutely backward: it was me who was hanging around everyone else. I just paid the rent, and the crowds came simply because the door was open. People weren't particularly interested in seeing me, they were interested in seeing each other. They came to see who came.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 1 April 2016 22:10 (seven years ago) link
that seems about right, thee bits of 'verite' in various books have Gerard talking to Lou or Edie to etc, Warhol rarely involved, directly.
― Mark G, Friday, 1 April 2016 22:26 (seven years ago) link
Basquiat: A Quick Killing in Art is stunning. It washes away the stink of Julian Schnabel's biopic, too
― beamish13, Saturday, 2 April 2016 05:25 (seven years ago) link
There's been no mention of the Richie Unterberger VU day by day book or the Jim Derogatis large size one or 2 or 3 others that came out about 5 yrs ago.I also have a book called POP on Warhol and the factory and a large coffee table book on the Factory that's mainly photos.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 2 April 2016 09:07 (seven years ago) link
Also forgot to say that the great photos that made the original Uptight so great disappeared in some later editions. So you need to be aware when buying it. There has been at least one update since the reunion too. & I don't think the update I saw had the 60s photos complete.Could be those shots are now all in the coffee table books. I don't know.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 2 April 2016 09:21 (seven years ago) link
The Warhol Diaries [compiled and edited by Pat Hackett] is also pretty great read.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 2 April 2016 12:32 (seven years ago) link
Read and enjoyed three: Victor Bockris's The Life and Death of Andy Warhol, Bob Colacello's Holy Terror, and David Dalton/Tony Scherman's Pop: The Genius of Andy Warhol. Haven't read anything by Warhol himself.
― clemenza, Saturday, 2 April 2016 14:55 (seven years ago) link
so the late 60s sounds like an amazing time especially if you are Andy Warhol. he is just a painter w some cool friends and he would make an amazing blogger, he invented that in a way, but of course it wasn't just him and he is the first to tell you that's why all of his art is about people he knows and the interesting characters floating on the fringes of the old-school Hollywood and a late-60s fringe/futurist/globalist/pan-sexual/pop mostly new york-oriented art network. at first he was just painting, and he was doing commercial art as well as a day job, and someone say some of his rough sketches and drawings, eventually he went more into the pop style, screenprinting, reacting to the deaths of marilyn monroe and jfk, cow wallpapers, silver pillows suspended by edie sedgwick and company, etc. he was bored of painting soon and was into movie and documenting the interesting people that hung out at his studio The Factory. he decided to quit painting and do films. basically it turned everything up even more, because now he wasn't just hanging with speed freaks and trans queens, they were parting with judy garland and tennessee williams, bob dylan was hanging out grabbing girls at their futurist disco parties, etc. it was all very space age. that was part of the pop philosophy because it was new and the clothes were all synthetic. they started managing the Velvet Underground and Nico. they were opening a number of experimental discotechques like the gymnasium. they got the first strobe lights and in this book Warhol claims he brought back the mirrored disco ball, which kind of makes sense. they did invent punk rock. they invented glam rock too. they invented so many things, they really were living in the future. they saw a man walk on the moon live! i haven't gotten that far yet - still in 1967 - but i'm sure Andy will say the moonwalk was very pop.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 April 2016 21:09 (seven years ago) link
In the fall when Paul went back to rent the Dom, Stanley told him sorry, it was already rented. Al Grossman and Charlie Rothchild opened it as the Balloon Farm and asked the Velvets to play there anyway-upstairs-and they did, since they didn't have anything else to do. So even though it wasn't our place anymore, most people assumed it was a continuation of our Exploding Plastic Inevitable show from the spring.
In the basement there was a bar with a jukebox, and Paul managed that, off and on, into the next spring and charged admission.
Nico and Lou had a fight. ("I've had it with the dramatic bulls##t," he said. "Yeah, she looks great in high-contrast black and white photographs, but I've had it.") He said he wouldn't let her sing with them anymore and, moreover, that he was never going to play for her again, either. (That was actually the big problem right there-was she singing with them, or were they playing for her?) As a going-away present, Lou recorded the music she sang to on a cassette tape and handed it to her. Then she started being the chanteuse in the bar downstairs, trying to work a little cassette recorder. But it was pathetic to see this big, beautiful woman singing to music coming out of this cheap little cassette, and in between acts the tears would roll down her face because she just couldn't remember how the buttons worked. And Paul would try to help her-he even bribed the guitar players like Tim Buckley, Jackson Browne, Steve Noonan, Jack Elliot, Tim Hardin-promising them they could do a set alone if only they'd play a little for Nico while she sang. (Jackson Brown and Tim Hardin worked out the best, and Nico eventually recorded some of their songs on her first album, Chelsea Girl, which was released in July '67. But everybody wanted to be a star, and nobody really wanted to play backup for anybody, so Nico's problem wasn't solved until John Cale bought her a tiny little organ in '68 and she learned how to play it.) We looped a little 8-mm movie of a guy parachuting and we projected it behind her while she sang, and sometimes we'd show Kiss.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 7 April 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
Kiss?
― Mark G, Friday, 8 April 2016 12:00 (seven years ago) link
i haven't gotten that far yet - still in 1967
1968, uh, not quite so good for Andy.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 8 April 2016 12:07 (seven years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_%281963_film%29
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 8 April 2016 12:40 (seven years ago) link
lol tom
― Kevin Ageusia Smith (wins), Friday, 8 April 2016 12:43 (seven years ago) link
crazy that Warhol had been shot at while in the Factory twice before 1968 -- early in the Factory days someone randomly came in and shot through a stack of Marilyn paintings and a few year later someone accosted a him and some friends, forcing them to play Russian Roullette.
the book is really wonderful though. he has such a great eye for detail.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link
this was pretty good for an "artistic" overview of andy
http://www.amazon.com/Andy-Warhol-that-Sold-World/dp/0465002331
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 22:08 (seven years ago) link
"Frigid people really make it": Classic or Dud?
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 October 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link