Hot Chocolate - Classic Or Dud?

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IN FAVOUR -

ENORMOUS skronk-riff on Every1's A Winner

"No Doubt About It" - big gloopy soul ballad about the possibility of alien life!


AGAINST -

"Emma"!!

"You Sexy Thing"!!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 4 March 2004 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic and Dud.

FOR: Heaven's in the back seat of my Caddy

AGAINST: Man to man

regards,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Thursday, 4 March 2004 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

AGAINST -

"Emma"!!

"You Sexy Thing"!!

AGAINST? Gidouddahere!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 March 2004 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

both those songs are great, although they did better. the biggest case against for me is "So You Win Again", which i'm totally indifferent to and sometimes mildly dislike, the same feelings i have about the Real Thing's "You To Me Are Everything" (i cannot understand why Dr C rates that song so highly).

their best single is probably "Put Your Love In Me", although "Every 1's A Winner" is fucking awesome. "Love Is Life" should be played far, far more than it is.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 4 March 2004 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

It's too bad the band themselves look, well, "everyday". They really needed crazy costumes.

At least, I was hoping that the lead singer was an ethnically ambiguous bug-eyed freak that wore a Jonzun Crew style fluorescent pastel wig.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic. Especially for "Every 1s a Winner", "What Kinda Boy You Looking For (Girl)" and "It Started With a Kiss"

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

What is wrong with You Sexy Thing??

Allyzay, Thursday, 4 March 2004 07:46 (seventeen years ago) link

it started with a kiss!!

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 4 March 2004 07:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"You Sexy Thing" and "Every 1's A Winner" alone make for CLASSIC status. "Emma", "You Could've Been A Lady" etc. are mere gravy (groovy!) And hey: "Every 1'S..." may even have inspired Killing Joke's "Bloodsport" for all I know! (Don't tell Alex)

Myonga Von Bontee, Thursday, 4 March 2004 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh utterly classic! Tom is right about the skronk riff on EOAW - I have posted here before about the wonderful guitar work of Harvey Hinsley.

Uber classic : EOAW, Emma, So You Win Again ("..and here I stand again - a LOSER!"), Brother Louie, I'll Put You Together Again, No Doubt About It ("Let me tell you about the other night/it was really frightening") and It Started With a Kiss ("You don't remember me do you/you don't remember me DO you")

**the Real Thing's "You To Me Are Everything" (i cannot understand why Dr C rates that song so highly)**

I could talk for hours about why YTMAE is a supreme distillation of everything that's good about 70's pop-disco - the upful urban hustle pivoting around the bass/drums/wah groove, the warm harmonies, Chris Amoo's gravelly yearning, the best chorus eve - but I haven't really got much time this morning. Maybe later.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 4 March 2004 09:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone here heared "Give Peace a Chance" on Apple?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 March 2004 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link

OK my dislike of You Sexy Thing is purely for Full Monty overkill - its driven pretty much every other HC song off the airwaves and it's not THAT good. "Emma" though is just awful plus it's annoying how the chorus can't decide whether the poor girl is called Emma or Emily.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 4 March 2004 09:54 (seventeen years ago) link

"It Started With A Kiss" is awesome though.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 4 March 2004 09:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Why do people pee their pants at the thought of Otis Redding or Aretha Franklin and dismiss Errol Brown so easily? There aren't many singers, soul or otherwise, who can do needing quite as well as him. The voice of a man who has had his heart broken too many times, and once more will do for him, but still he keeps trying..

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 4 March 2004 09:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Emiline... Emma Emiline..

Yeah, the entire song calls her Emiline most often, but they title it Emma.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes it's no wonder she lacked the charisma to succeed in the tough competitive Hollywood environment if even her childhood sweetheart can't remember her name.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Aah that explains it...

"Emmeline? Emma? Emily? no don't tell me... Erica? .."

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Well I like it.

Dods OTM abt Errol.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:18 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southerncounties/competitions/2003/08/battle_music/hot_chocolate_270.jpgHey guys, lets all swap jackets and ties around...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 March 2004 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Agree with Robin that "Put Your Love In Me" is probably their finest single, though "It Started With A Kiss" is close...

I quite like "So You Win Again" actually, though it stands out far less as an interesting record than the two above. Quite workaday, but decent 70s pop I'd say.

Agree more with Dr C than RC on "You To Me Are Everything"; as well as the chorus itself, one of the greatest after-chorus bits as well, after the first... Not quite one of my few favourites on the fantastic "Pure Groove" compilations, but IMO it is excellent. The intro reminds me a bit of Odyssey's "Native New Yorker", which in its long version is one of the most sublime pieces of urban(e) disco I've ever heard.

Dud: 'You Sexy Thing'; wouldn't be if the next term I heard it was the first. But really, its ubiquity has been grating. It's not a great song IMO either. "Every One's A Winner" is much better, and I need to listen to it again...

Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 4 March 2004 11:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Like it has been said before in the thread: Both.

Never liked their 70s stuff, but they did a lot of classy singles in the 80s. Love "No Doubt About It", "It Started With a Kiss" and "What Kind Of Boy You're Looking For Girl"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, "Give peace a chance"!
Apparently, they wrote alternate/better lyrics and showed John Lennon. He dug them and got them recorded and released on Apple as a single. "Hot Chocolate Band" ...
Like I asked, did anyone here ever hear it?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 March 2004 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Also - "Hot Chocolate" is a f-cking great name for a band. cf 'Hot Butter'.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 4 March 2004 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I should cocoa.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 4 March 2004 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Btw. Modern Talking must have been huge fans of Hot Chocolate, considering the song titles of their absolutely awful 80s songs tended to have a reference to Hot Chocolate. I mean, like Hot Chocolate, they wrote songs about winning, #1, Caddilacs and brother's called Louie...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 4 March 2004 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Another of rock and roll's mysteries solved...

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 4 March 2004 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Not sure if the band's name is that great...the secretary at Apple Records came up with the name. Chocolate. They're black. Do you see?

Canada Briggs (Canada Briggs), Thursday, 4 March 2004 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

before I ever heard "You Sexy Thing" my sister asked me who sings the song that goes "I believe in MIRACULLLLLLLS!" I responded that I had no idea but I needed to hear this song as soon as possible. God do I love it. I've only heard that and "Emma." I really should have hunted down more by now. Based on the little evidence I've heard they're undoubtedly classic.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 4 March 2004 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

the biggest case against for me is "So You Win Again"

Wow, I came in here to say that was my fave Hot Choccie record. But I liked "I'll Put You Together Again" too so my taste is obviously suspect.

I saw Errol Brown coming out of the toilet of a bar in Soho once. I was surprised how short he was.

Anyway, totally classic.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Thursday, 4 March 2004 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

believe it or not i do quite like "I'll Put You Together Again", Don Black lyrics and all.

seeing as Hot Chocolate were huge in Germany, i suspect Geir may well be right (although, being British, the only one of those songs i know is the one about a brother called Louie ...)

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

only one of the *Modern Talking* songs i know, that is.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 4 March 2004 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i ws named after the song emma i cant believe my mum did that is a depressing song

Emma williams (Emma williams), Friday, 5 March 2004 00:07 (seventeen years ago) link

"Cicero Park" is a pretty great serious urban decay type soul thing

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Friday, 5 March 2004 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
MMMmmmmm!!! Going Through The Motions is great great zonkers funky eurodisco with a bit of grit and dirt. And man, the vocals are BITCHIN!

gaseous (gaseous), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 03:48 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Night Ride is my favourite train-themed disco song. and that is saying a lot.

, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

i seem to be hearing a bit of hot chocolate when i'm out these days, including rub n tug deploying 'heaven's in the backseat of my cadillac' last night to pretty devastating effect. still trying to work out if it was an edit or not, because it kicked a lot harder than i remember!

haitch, Saturday, 24 May 2008 10:29 (twelve years ago) link

let me take you thayyyyyyyyyyyyere

YEAH YEAH

haitch, Saturday, 24 May 2008 10:58 (twelve years ago) link

I always played Hot Chocolate when DJing -- pretty much every time. Usually "Brother Louie" into, say, Earthquake's version of "Emma" (into "Sister Havana" by Urge Overkill, since they also covered "Emma"), or maybe Hot Chocolate's "Emma" original into the Stories' version of "Brother Louie". Or something like that. But yeah, "Heaven's In The Back Seat Of My Cadillac" too sometimes. Or "Rumours." XIV Greatest Hits (RAK Germany, 1977) is awesome. Don't really know their individual albums, though.

xhuxk, Saturday, 24 May 2008 12:24 (twelve years ago) link

(They were always good for playing immmediately after Junior or Linx, too, if I wanted to get a little Brit-soul-conceptual for the people. Not that the people every really noticed, or anything.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 24 May 2008 12:26 (twelve years ago) link

My first EVAH single was Girl Crazy. I still think they are TOPS.

I don't care about the colour of her hair. I don't care about the colour of her skin that she's wrapped in.
All I want is a personality that's righth for me.

Words to live by. The song still makes me happy as fuck every time I hear it or sing it to myself.

stevienixed, Saturday, 24 May 2008 13:03 (twelve years ago) link

xhuxk, do you beat match all this stuff???

Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 24 May 2008 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

'cadillac' is amazing.

or something, Saturday, 24 May 2008 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

do you beat match all this stuff???

Hells no. (Well, by my ears maybe. I just play stuff that would sound good next to each other. That's hard enough as is, without adding numbers to it.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 24 May 2008 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

i was obsessed with the s/t second hot chocolate album last year. so amazing. and so varied. "hello america", "dollar sign", "call the police". "you sexy thing" might have been the smash, but the whole thing is great. i need their first album and some of the later stuff. such a cool group. i might have to dig out my every 1's a winner 12 inch today.

scott seward, Saturday, 24 May 2008 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone here ever play out Every 1's a Winner? I did the other night and (thankfully) people loved it...
It was a big slow down but it's got that monster guitar riff that gets everyone in a dancing mood.
In fact, I'd say that Hot Chocolate is a pretty good music-slower-downer-but-party-keepin-on-going pick.

altair nouveau, Saturday, 24 May 2008 21:26 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

there is a machine in my office kitchen space that makes this (and other things i haven't delved into)
i am trying it for the first time
i feel like i am taking a break on a cold day of ice skating
but i am just taking a break from being super busy not ice skating

terminator boyfriend (rrrobyn), Friday, 26 September 2008 20:03 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

"Every 1's a Winner" is sounding REALLY good right now.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 11 January 2010 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

actually this cafe has been playing a pretty smoking mix of disco and late soul.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Monday, 11 January 2010 21:51 (eleven years ago) link

what do you think of this version of it?
http://www.robotsinheat.com/trax/EveryonesAWinner.mp3

jaxon, Monday, 11 January 2010 22:19 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...
one year passes...

Not a thread I expected to be posting on ...

But if I love this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcq4s6GfM9s

Heard first via this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7i_pHEWNg

what do I listen to next?

djh, Friday, 11 October 2013 22:06 (seven years ago) link

just work your way through the 70s records and see how you like them imo. 1st album is front-to-back amazing and loads of great stuff after. Saw them live recently and errol brown has not aged a day

swmp thing (wins), Friday, 11 October 2013 22:14 (seven years ago) link

I love the tune "You Sexy Thing". I got to know it as back in the 90s there was a surf/punk rock band in Bloomington called Speed Luxury that played that song all the time. I might have heard the Hot Chocolate tune as a kid and it became a more ubiquitous tune later on with advertising and being used in movies, but I got to know it from hearing Speed Luxury's cover live.

earlnash, Friday, 11 October 2013 23:41 (seven years ago) link

Ta.

djh, Sunday, 13 October 2013 19:26 (seven years ago) link

Yeah the first album is their best album. I also really love Everyone's a winner which is great all the way through. I find most of their other albums a bit uneven but there are some gems hidden away on them. I recently got their 20 Hottest Hits compilation which is well worth getting as they had a bunch of great singles not on their albums which are all on there.

Kitchen Person, Sunday, 13 October 2013 20:24 (seven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Then Play Long reaches to the sensational and somewhat scary world of Hot Chocolate: http://nobilliards.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/hot-chocolate-very-best-of-hot-chocolate.html

agincourtgirl, Thursday, 9 October 2014 13:10 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

Aw man. Errol Brown has passed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-32613573

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 15:41 (five years ago) link

never thought it would come to this :(

yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 16:03 (five years ago) link

these guys ruled

da croupier, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 16:43 (five years ago) link

They certainly did... RIP Errol :(((((((

Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 16:46 (five years ago) link

Mindless boogie 'til we drop, don't stop :(

Probably listen to "Put Your Love In Me" the most these days, but I cherish the memory of caning the Revenge Rework of "Cadillac" at a house party before going out to see the touring Horse Meat Disco - who promptly played the same at the peak of their set, much to the delight of our crew.

RIP.

etc, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 17:02 (five years ago) link

RIP. Such an underrated group and singer.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 17:09 (five years ago) link

RIP

Hugh G. Wreckjoke (snoball), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 17:48 (five years ago) link

I had completely forgotten "Heaven's In The Back Seat of my Cadillac" until this minute, and I'm not sure how I knew it; it wasn't a hit in the US. Probably a promo single I picked up. I had no idea they had so many UK hits!

Competent Cracker Barrel manager (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 18:14 (five years ago) link

oh man, that stinks. this band has never gotten its critical due -- and by that i guess i mean any critical due.

i remember sitting in a coffee shop a few years ago, a bit glum over a shitty situation that had come up at work. this song--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQsg6XXGxXQ

--came on, happily very loud, and suddenly nothing else mattered anymore. what a jam.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 18:26 (five years ago) link

Ah didn't see this. Saw them a couple of years ago, apparently he died without ageing

Xp they are the only group to have a hit in every year of the 70s & iirc that continued quite a bit into the 80s!

italosVEVO (wins), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 18:26 (five years ago) link

...and as i discovered a few years ago, their LPs are surprisingly solid. some of 'em, anyway.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 18:27 (five years ago) link

xpost.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 18:27 (five years ago) link

also, shout out to the scene in 'alice in the cities' when the main character is listening to 'brother louie' on the radio and starts cursing when the DJ fades it out early.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 18:28 (five years ago) link

RIP the hitmeister, no doubt about it.

:(

Jeff W, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 18:31 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I need to delve into these guys more. I don't know them outside their biggest hits, but every one I know I love.

Competent Cracker Barrel manager (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 18:37 (five years ago) link

Hot Chocolate were amazing. Thanks Errol.

ewar woowar (or something), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 23:58 (five years ago) link

Saw them a couple of years ago, apparently he died without ageing

he left the band in 1986.

new noise, Thursday, 7 May 2015 01:17 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

a bbc4 clips doc was just on. I'd just left it on as nothingy background to solitary reading but it was great - I'd never realised how consistently good they were, or even what they were, really - the 60s hippie-ish stuff jarred me into attention.

woof, Friday, 25 September 2015 22:18 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I hadn't heard "A Childs Prayer" since it was a hit. Funny how they used to have alternating lead singers until.

Mark G, Friday, 25 September 2015 22:55 (five years ago) link

I was about to say that "Mindless Boogie" is the only (surely!) hit single to mention Jonestown until I discovered it wasn't a hit!

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 25 September 2015 23:31 (five years ago) link

It was a bit of a hit. 46.

Mark G, Saturday, 26 September 2015 02:05 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

can we talk about "mindless boogie"? is it the creepiest disco song ever?

the late great, Saturday, 10 October 2015 05:01 (five years ago) link

One of my favourite Hot Chocolate songs to DJ; always thought it was a great bridge between 50s atom bomb songs and "Drop The Bomb"/Green Velvet ("like clones and robots that we are" makes me think of Alice Cooper's Numan/Devo move). Love the stern/cheek-puffing "very strange, very strange".

etc, Saturday, 10 October 2015 05:50 (five years ago) link

it reminds me of talking heads

the late great, Saturday, 10 October 2015 06:25 (five years ago) link

12 inch of this is perfect and timeless

bonobo voyage (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 10 October 2015 09:55 (five years ago) link

/Saw them a couple of years ago, apparently he died without ageing/

he left the band in 1986.

lol omg

(emphasis mine) (wins), Saturday, 10 October 2015 10:10 (five years ago) link

lol seconded

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Saturday, 10 October 2015 10:24 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

I liked this = she's right, adults don't drink enough of it.

https://theoutline.com/post/7029/hot-chocolate-is-for-grown-ups-now?zd=1&zi=dc662vvf

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 31 January 2019 20:23 (two years ago) link

i've got some Swiss Miss and I think I'll make a cup. it ain't high falutin' but it's really good when made with milk

calumy (rip van wanko), Thursday, 31 January 2019 20:26 (two years ago) link

haha the group AND the drink are classic. God I am tired!

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 31 January 2019 20:28 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

In my new job there are two women in the small team I'm in. Their names are Emma and Emily. I'm dreading December.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 22:35 (one week ago) link

"Every 1's A Winner" is in my top 10 fave songs.

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 22:42 (one week ago) link

i knew someone who worked at a primary (grade for you north american types) school as a teacher. the staff had an end of year bbq party with all the staff invited, not just the teachers.

the school receptionist, a quiet older woman, got in her cups and for all the assembled told a detailed, rapturous story about making love to Errol Brown after a Hot Chocolate concert in the 1970s

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 22:46 (one week ago) link

Blimey.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 23:22 (one week ago) link

can we talk about "mindless boogie"? is it the creepiest disco song ever?

― the late great, Friday, October 9, 2015 10:01 PM (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

had literally never noticed the lyrics to this but im giving it a listen and damn, very dark

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 23:34 (one week ago) link

Fantastic story, Jim

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 00:53 (one week ago) link

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It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 00:57 (one week ago) link


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