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educate me, ILM!

OCP (OCP), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 07:33 (fifteen years ago) link

why would you want to search and destroy someone who has provided so many samples for hip hop?

D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 09:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Search...well, pretty much everything. There are a few decent greatest-hits type deals ("Wheelin and Dealin: The Definitive Collection" and a different one called "The Definitive Collection,") but it's worth delving a little deeper. Two records reissued recently on Sundazed--"The New Lee Dorsey" and "Ride Your Pony"--are both really good. The best would be "Yes We Can," which *was* available as a Polydor Chronicles thingie, but has been out of print for a while. I'd search that, frankly. But you won't go wrong. I've never heard a bad Lee Dorsey record.

M Specktor, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 09:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Weirdly enough, I was thinking of starting this thread the other day. And Specktor's right, I really can't think of a single bad Lee Dorsey track. "Occapella" is my current favourite.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 09:59 (fifteen years ago) link

specktor otm, as usual.

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 10:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Dittos on Yes We Can, which has the incomparable "Sneakin' Sally Thru the Alley."

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 13:27 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

I've had his 60s comps for years, and finally got the Yes We Can/Night People two-fer from Raven, at Dusty Groove. Awesome! Zigaboo Modeliste's drumming puts me in a trance.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 17 July 2008 21:48 (eleven years ago) link

ditto upthread re: never having heard a bad Lee Dorsey record. I have some weird comp with liner notes written by Joe Strummer and it is awesome

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 July 2008 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

dang, just heard Yes We Can for the first time last night! so great! love Toussaint's backing vocals, too.

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:52 (nine years ago) link

have to say, i like the pointer sisters' version better

hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:53 (nine years ago) link

My Old Short broke down.

nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:53 (nine years ago) link

oh nice, i knew i'd heard that song somewhere before ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:56 (nine years ago) link

I think Christgau was plugging Yes We Can Can and Night People for years and I always meant to get them but never did(I heard Night People at my college radio station I think).

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:58 (nine years ago) link

i'm not sure if a thread exists on ILM already, but if not there should be one dedicated to like, slightly eccentric country/funk/soul/memphis/new orleans kinda stuff ... I dunno, like Toussaint, Dr. John, Meters, Dixie Fried, Jim Ford ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:01 (nine years ago) link

there's this: Early New Orleans Rock N Roll/R&B

and this blog is pretty crucial: http://www.secondlinesocial.com/

hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:08 (nine years ago) link

oh sweet, that blog looks great, thanks. I guess as opposed to what that thread is covering, I'm thinking more late 60s/70s stuff -- people in Toussaint's orbit/influence, I guess. Maybe I should just dig up Toussaint's threads ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:19 (nine years ago) link

I really love Toussaint's Southern Nights.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:23 (nine years ago) link

yeah it is amazing ... anyone gotten this? http://www.amazon.com/Finger-Poppin-Stompin-Feet-Productions/dp/B000062T8X even though it was released last summer, the CD seems to out of print! can get the mp3 cheap though ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:26 (nine years ago) link

I love Southern Nights but it's the only Toussaint i've heard. Any of his other albums worth checking out?

Number None, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:30 (nine years ago) link

the one just called Toussaint is great ... and the What Is Success Comp is killer as well ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:35 (nine years ago) link

Hers is a thread about one of the artists you mentioned, such as it is: I Can't Find The Recent Thread On Recently Rediscovered Singers That Mentioned Jim Ford So I'll Start A New One For Him

nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:57 (nine years ago) link

homeofthegroove.blogspot.com

Here's a great blog

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 20:51 (nine years ago) link

http://homeofthegroove.blogspot.com/

Oops

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 20:52 (nine years ago) link

cool! thx!

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 20:57 (nine years ago) link

(glad i revived this thread -- suddenly a ton of stuff to listen to ...)

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 20:59 (nine years ago) link

I've never heard a bad Lee Dorsey record, and have derived a lotta pleasure from lesser-known stuff like "Go Go Girl" about a stripper Lee is interested in enough to hang around after his set and get her to have some drinks and everything ("You're not just working, you're having fun") and "My Old Car." "Night People" is very nice indeed. There's a comp of these Constellation label singles with a bunch of people like Al & Bunky, Bobby Miller, Gene Chandler and Lee Dorsey, and "Organ Grinder Swing" is quite amazing. Pre- Meters recordings apparently. As for Toussaint, the only solo stuff of his I really like is "Life, Love and Faith" reissued a couple years ago on Water, I believe, and last year's "Bright Mississippi" is very good too--a jazz record more or less. Christgau maintains in his review that Toussaint is the least percussive New Orleans piano great and I suppose he's right, but Toussaint seems like a modest sort, and he's a great player anyway. There's also a comp of his instrumental work under "Tousan" that I like, cf. "Whirlaway." If I recall correctly there are some good Toussaint songs done by people I don't know much about on one of those Silver Fox or SSS/Shelby Singleton comps like "My Goodness Yes!" or whatever--Allen Orange, maybe?

ebbjunior, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 21:13 (nine years ago) link

hey Dan Phillips! "New Orleans: Under the Influence" on WEVL = great, great show. I miss that dude.

you want a war on christmas i'll give you a fuckin war on christmas (will), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 21:16 (nine years ago) link

glad i revived this thread
glad that ebbjunior has reappeared with new screenname

nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 21:26 (nine years ago) link

tyler have you heard that soul jazz comp Saturday Night Fish Fry, it has a decent sampling of new orleans shit that sounds like what you're looking for

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 21:28 (nine years ago) link

no, haven't heard it, but yeah, looks like what I'm looking for ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 21:34 (nine years ago) link

saturday night fish fry is great, and that betty harris track is one of my favorites

hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 21:47 (nine years ago) link

nine years pass...

But you won't go wrong. I've never heard a bad Lee Dorsey record.

Same here. Not that I've heard all of them, by any means.

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 July 2019 20:19 (three weeks ago) link

I keep hearing a lot of The Band in Lee Dorsey or, more likely, the other way round.

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 July 2019 20:23 (three weeks ago) link

Don’t they do at least one Lee Dorsey cover, “Holy Cow” on Moondog Matinee, iirc.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 July 2019 20:42 (three weeks ago) link

Ah, right, I don't know that album but indeed they do! I definitely hear a lot of Lee Dorsey in Levon Helm's vocals; Robertson's guitar playing; the Band, in general, when they get a little funky.

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 July 2019 20:48 (three weeks ago) link

Iirc, part of why The Band hired Toussaint for "Life Is A Carnival" (and then Rock of Ages) was his work on Yes, We Can.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 28 July 2019 21:15 (three weeks ago) link

There is a Levon drum instruction video which I recommend even if, like me, you are not a drummer, in which he talks about being influenced by the New Orleans drummers. One version of the story I think heard somewhere, maybe not there, is that Earl Palmer and others started playing 4/4 instead of a shuffle, only it wasn’t quite a straight 4/4, which is one of the reasons for that particular strain of funkiness.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 July 2019 21:26 (three weeks ago) link

I hear you.

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 July 2019 21:37 (three weeks ago) link

Another thing I noticed, long acknowledged, is the influence of New Orleans R&B on ska and, thereafter, reggae.

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Monday, 29 July 2019 09:57 (three weeks ago) link

Yes. Your powers of observation are strong, if we needed anymore evidence of that, as this is pretty well documented, I believe.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 July 2019 10:01 (three weeks ago) link

I haven't read much about the nuts and bolts of why that happened. Did New Orleans radio signals reach Jamaica?

Οὖτις, Monday, 29 July 2019 15:31 (three weeks ago) link

Yes. And think sailors or other travelers brought vinyl back and forth.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 July 2019 15:33 (three weeks ago) link

I think more radio than sailors tbh.

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Monday, 29 July 2019 15:35 (three weeks ago) link

Listening to a comp of Dorsey's early Amy Records singles this morning (thanks, thread!) Allen Toussaint's songwriting style is all over them, but it's Dorsey's laconic vocal that really puts them over; he's a super affecting singer imo. And I never made the connection between his voice and Levon Helm's, but it's totally there.

I hadn't heard "Mexico" before; great, quirky Meters arrangement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9f4mlx85gE

confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Monday, 29 July 2019 16:02 (three weeks ago) link

I think more radio than sailors tbh.

the radio got people interested in New Orleans' sounds, which prompted JA merchants/importers to focus on those records to bring back.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 29 July 2019 16:15 (three weeks ago) link

I mean Tom the Great Sebastian was not downloading stuff off of Napster.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 July 2019 16:31 (three weeks ago) link

At least as far as I know

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 July 2019 16:48 (three weeks ago) link

Christgau's writing got me in Lee Dorsey a bit plus then I also saw Dorsey open for the Clash in Philadelphia @ the Tower Theatre in 79

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 12:15 (three weeks ago) link

Well, that's something to write home about.

How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 12:22 (three weeks ago) link

Christgau's writing got me in Lee Dorsey a bit plus then I also saw Dorsey open for the Clash in Philadelphia @ the Tower Theatre in 79

Forgot about that. Not that I went to anything on that tour. Wasn’t really going to shows yet.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 12:55 (three weeks ago) link

Just heard about the apparently huge influence Fats Domino had on ska.

Another Fule Clickin’ In Your POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:36 (one week ago) link

Oh yeah! "Be My Guest" basically <is> Ska.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:01 (one week ago) link


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